[Retros] Retro wiki and themes
Otto Janko
otto at janko.at
Tue May 27 14:28:14 EDT 2008
Dear Retro Friends,
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Before editing a page, it would be nice to log in (after creating a
account). Then the name of the editor is shown in the change log, not only
the IP address. For example, the themes pages have been created by
195.221.155.2 and no one knows that this was Alain.
Should I lock the Retro Wiki for anonymouos changes?
---
Regarding the "Themes" pages, if would be nice to include a simple example
on each page. Schold we also add some special talks, e.g. "show as many
Switchbacks as possibe in a PG"?
~ÔttÔ~
> -----Original Message-----
> From: retros-bounces at janko.at
> [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of Alain BROBECKER
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:57 AM
> To: retros at janko.at
> Subject: [Retros] Retro wiki and themes
>
> Dear retro friends,
>
> I updated the definitions of themes on the retro-wiki.
> http://retrowiki.janko.at/
>
> The actualised list, thanks to Bernd Gräfrath & Christian Poisson
> follows. Don't hesitate to complete/correct.
>
> Phoenix : A piece is captured and then a
> promotion to the same kind of piece occurs.
> Ceriani-Frolkin : A promoted unit is captured.
> Schnoebelen : A promotee is captured on its promotion
> square without having moved after the promotion.
> Pronkin : A promoted piece moves on the initial
> square of a captured unit of the same kind.
> Anti-Pronkin : A piece moves on the promotion square
> of a piece of the same kind and colour.
> Switchback : A piece returns to a previously
> occupied square after it occupied only one other square.
> Circuit : A piece returns to a previously
> occupied square after it occupied at least 2 other squares.
> Valladao-Monteiro : Castling+ep capture+promotion.
> Allumwandlung (AUW) : Promotion in all 4 figures.
> Massacre : Almost every move is a capture.
> At home : All pieces of (at least) one camp seem
> to be on their home square.
> ? : Circuit of a piece which is then
> captured on its home square.
>
> The next ones are not retro oriented, but could apply i think.
>
> Babson : All 4 promotions by white and black in echo.
> Black-white duel : At least 3 different moves of the same
> black piece are followed by different moves of the same white piece.
> White-black duel : At least 3 different moves of the same
> white piece are refuted by different moves of the same black piece.
> Excelsior : A Pawn, initially on its game-array
> square, promotes.
> Umnov : White plays to the square which Black
> has just left. The theme is delayed if White doesn't play to
> that square immediatly.
> ? : ?
>
>
> cu, Alain
>
> Alain Brobecker (abrobecker at yahoo.com) |_ _ _ |_
> http://abrobecker.free.fr/ |_)(_|(_|| ) of Arm's Tech
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/18/08, retros-request at janko.at
> <retros-request at janko.at> wrote:
>
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> > Subject: Retros Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8
> > To: retros at janko.at
> > Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 5:15 PM
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> > 1. Re: Building a complete and friendly retro library
> > (Otto Janko)
> > 2. Re: Building a complete and friendly retro library
> > (Pastmaker at aol.com)
> > 3. Re: Building a complete and friendly retro library
> > (Otto Janko)
> > 4. Building a complete and friendly retro library
> > (raosorio at fibertel.com.ar)
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:32:43 +0200
> > From: "Otto Janko" <otto at janko.at>
> > Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> > To: "'The Retrograde Analysis Mailing
> > List'" <retros at janko.at>
> > Message-ID:
> > <000001c8b8eb$a8880150$5b00a8c0 at ww300.siemens.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi ALL
> >
> > Proposal for a way forward:
> >
> > 1. We shold first come to a decision whether we really want
> > to start this
> > project or not. The Project can only be successful if many
> > of you are
> > willing to participate an provide content to the Wiki.
> >
> > 2. We should decide on the scope of the Wiki: Problem chess
> > in general or
> > Retro only (which may grow to problem chess in general
> > later)
> >
> > 2a. We should have a rough idea what information should be
> > put into the
> > Wiki. I already started this on the main page of the Wiki.
> > It's an unordered
> > list - please feel free to add items to this list or to
> > restructure this
> > list. Please do it directly in the Wiki (by means of the
> > [edit] button).
> >
> > 2b. After 2a is completed, we can setup an initial
> > structure. However, this
> > would be a structure "by convention", and
> > additional content can be added
> > freely.
> >
> > 3. For common types of information (e.g. glossary entries,
> > magazine
> > information, tournament information) we should setup an
> > example page. As
> > soon as we are satisfied with these example pages, we can
> > use it as template
> > and start adding additional content.
> >
> > After we agreed on 1., I will create a help page "Wiki
> > editing primer" for
> > all of us who are not familiar with the MediaWiki software.
> > This primer will
> > only cover the basics:
> > - How to make paragraphs,
> > - how to make lists,
> > - how to make titles and subtitles,
> > - how to make monospaced text,
> > - how to make small tables,
> > - how to integrate images,
> > - how to integrate diagrams.
> >
> > We also have to agree on several organisazial issus:
> >
> > - Who is allowed to edit? (all or only registered users)
> > - What about Copyright? (currently: Creative Commons
> > Attribution-NonCommercial-
> > ShareAlike 2.5 License statement - is this ok for us?)
> > - We need at least two additional admins for the Wiki - any
> > volunteers?)
> > - More to come
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > - Otto Janko [mailto:otto at janko.at] [http://www.janko.at]
> > -- Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain
> > security,
> > - will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. [Benjamin
> > Franklin]
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: retros-bounces at janko.at
> > > [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of
> > raosorio at fibertel.com.ar
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:05 PM
> > > To: retros at janko.at
> > > Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi friends,
> > >
> > > We were discussing with Nicolas Dupont about the
> > necessity of
> > > having an ordered,
> > > complete and friendly source to easily get the PGs
> > state of
> > > the art in every respect.
> > >
> > > We were focussed on PGs but after some interaction
> > with Otto
> > > Janko this concept
> > > was extended to all the retroanalysis specialties.
> > >
> > > Otto informed us that he started some time ago a
> > retro-wiki
> > > targeted to build such a
> > > source but this initiative had no too much success in
> > the RML.
> > >
> > > It's perhaps a matter of communication, so I
> > propose to start
> > > it again. We agreed with
> > > Otto that the best way would be to participate the
> > retro
> > > community via this RML
> > > in order to structure the wiki (which is as far as I
> > > understand a very flexible tool) altogether.
> > >
> > > I would like to remark what I have in mind: there are
> > many
> > > problems, articles, Awards,
> > > comments, definitions, etc, published all over the
> > world; an
> > > endless ocean to be
> > > navigated lonely. When one is trying to go deeper with
> >
> > > something it's a must to start
> > > from its state of the art, but how to get it?
> > >
> > > Magazines are the original source for most problems,
> > > articles, etc, but places like the
> > > Retrocorner are the natural (and indispensable)
> > secondary
> > > source; other way, how to
> > > put the pieces altogether?
> > >
> > > This should be started by an Otto's message
> > indicating what
> > > we should define first in
> > > order to build the wiki structure. The wiki is a tool
> > and
> > > this initiative will make sense if
> > > the retroexperts collaborate filling it with contents;
> > other
> > > way, it would be an empty vessel.
> > >
> > > (http://retrowiki.janko.at/. is already fully
> > functional;
> > > nevertheless we should wait
> > > to edit it until some agreement about the desired
> > structure
> > > is reached on the RML).
> > >
> > > Some messages from the retro community supporting this
> >
> > > initiative would be very appreciated.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Roberto Osorio
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Retros mailing list
> > > Retros at janko.at
> > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/retros
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:08:46 EDT
> > From: Pastmaker at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> > To: andrew at anselan.com, retros at janko.at
> > Message-ID: <cb6.2cf71e10.3561926e at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > I would strongly advise against any "best of"
> > listings in a database. It is
> > entirely subjective no matter what we may like to think,
> > and therefore
> > pointless. But it is also harmful to a discipline.
> >
> > Even the "records" we keep (not subjective - -
> > except, of course, as to which
> > records are worth maintaining) are often problematic, the
> > interest in those
> > statistics causing compositions to be misinterpreted as
> > task efforts. For
> > example, I have frequently had comments about the number of
> > retroscreens in a
> > composition, which had nothing to do with the point of the
> > composition (the
> > number, per se, never having been of any interest to this
> > composer). I know that
> > this proclivity to develop statistics has also disturbed
> > other composers.
> >
> > Imagine a central database of online literature with a list
> > of the N best
> > books ever written, or a database of art with a list of the
> > K best paintings.
> > But perhaps I am a hopeless antique, and such things
> > already exist.
> >
> > Please don't do it with chess compositions.
> >
> > Thomas Volet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:28:22 +0200
> > From: "Otto Janko" <otto at janko.at>
> > Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> > To: "'The Retrograde Analysis Mailing
> > List'" <retros at janko.at>,
> > <andrew at anselan.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Hm - the "best of" / "record lists" are
> > already there, and are also
> > published in chess magazines. For example, the type A/B/C/D
> > last move
> > records list. Why is wrong to put these lists into a Wiki?
> > Not doing wo will
> > not make the existing lists disapear. There seems to be a
> > demand to have
> > such lists.
> >
> > "record lists" and "best of" lists are
> > different. Maybe the FIDE albums come
> > near to "best of" lists. And the goal of every
> > tournament is to compile a
> > "best of" list based on the opinion of the judge
> > (from a limited number of
> > problems).
> >
> > ~?tt?~
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: retros-bounces at janko.at
> > [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of
> > Pastmaker at aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:09 PM
> > To: andrew at anselan.com; retros at janko.at
> > Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > I would strongly advise against any "best of"
> > listings in a database. It is
> > entirely subjective no matter what we may like to think,
> > and therefore
> > pointless. But it is also harmful to a discipline.
> >
> > Even the "records" we keep (not subjective - -
> > except, of course, as to
> > which records are worth maintaining) are often problematic,
> > the interest in
> > those statistics causing compositions to be misinterpreted
> > as task efforts.
> > For example, I have frequently had comments about the
> > number of retroscreens
> > in a composition, which had nothing to do with the point of
> > the composition
> > (the number, per se, never having been of any interest to
> > this composer). I
> > know that this proclivity to develop statistics has also
> > disturbed other
> > composers.
> >
> > Imagine a central database of online literature with a list
> > of the N best
> > books ever written, or a database of art with a list of the
> > K best
> > paintings. But perhaps I am a hopeless antique, and such
> > things already
> > exist.
> >
> > Please don't do it with chess compositions.
> >
> > Thomas Volet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on
> > family favorites at
> > AOL Food.
> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:20:07 -0300
> > From: <raosorio at fibertel.com.ar>
> > Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly retro
> > library
> > To: retros at janko.at
> > Message-ID: <295af3e152809.48301ef7 at fibertel.com.ar>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Hi Otto and all,
> >
> > 1. I think we should assume we want to start the project.
> >
> > 2. I propose to start with only retro as scope in order to
> > be effective; a too pretentious
> > starting is a risk to fall into paralysis since too many
> > things should be considered.
> > The scope could be extended later.
> >
> > 2a. An active participation is necessary here; personally,
> > I would need to see the
> > wiki functioning to fully understand the point (I assume
> > that Informal Tourneys and
> > their Awards will be included in Retro Tourneys).
> >
> > As to the point that Tom remarked, I agree with Otto that
> > "records" and "best of" are
> > totally different. Records are well defined within
> > parameters to be optimyzed (and
> > they have in general nothing to do with the artistic
> > approach) while "best" is a risky
> > word.
> >
> > Let's clearly establish that the retro-wiki initiative
> > is just to build a useful tool where
> > all the retro antecedents were easily available; it's
> > not to define positions or opinions
> > pretending to represent the retrocommunity.
> >
> > Best,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Otto's message
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> > Hi ALL
> >
> > Proposal for a way forward:
> >
> > 1. We shold first come to a decision whether we really want
> > to start this
> > project or not. The Project can only be successful if many
> > of you are
> > willing to participate an provide content to the Wiki.
> >
> > 2. We should decide on the scope of the Wiki: Problem chess
> > in general or
> > Retro only (which may grow to problem chess in general
> > later)
> >
> > 2a. We should have a rough idea what information should be
> > put into the
> > Wiki. I already started this on the main page of the Wiki.
> > It's an unordered
> > list - please feel free to add items to this list or to
> > restructure this
> > list. Please do it directly in the Wiki (by means of the
> > [edit] button).
> >
> > 2b. After 2a is completed, we can setup an initial
> > structure. However, this
> > would be a structure "by convention", and
> > additional content can be added
> > freely.
> >
> > 3. For common types of information (e.g. glossary entries,
> > magazine
> > information, tournament information) we should setup an
> > example page. As
> > soon as we are satisfied with these example pages, we can
> > use it as template
> > and start adding additional content.
> >
> > After we agreed on 1., I will create a help page "Wiki
> > editing primer" for
> > all of us who are not familiar with the MediaWiki software.
> > This primer will
> > only cover the basics:
> > - How to make paragraphs,
> > - how to make lists,
> > - how to make titles and subtitles,
> > - how to make monospaced text,
> > - how to make small tables,
> > - how to integrate images,
> > - how to integrate diagrams.
> >
> > We also have to agree on several organisazial issus:
> >
> > - Who is allowed to edit? (all or only registered users)
> > - What about Copyright? (currently: Creative Commons
> > Attribution-NonCommercial-
> > ShareAlike 2.5 License statement - is this ok for us?)
> > - We need at least two additional admins for the Wiki - any
> > volunteers?)
> > - More to come
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > - Otto Janko [mailto:otto at janko.at]
> > [http://www.janko.at]
> > -- Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain
> > security,
> > - will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. [Benjamin
> > Franklin]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: retros-bounces at janko.at
> >
> > > [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of
> > raosorio at fibertel.com.ar
> >
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:05 PM
> >
> > > To: retros at janko.at
> >
> > > Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly
> > retro library
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi friends,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > We were discussing with Nicolas Dupont about the
> > necessity of
> >
> > > having an ordered,
> >
> > > complete and friendly source to easily get the PGs
> > state of
> >
> > > the art in every respect.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > We were focussed on PGs but after some interaction
> > with Otto
> >
> > > Janko this concept
> >
> > > was extended to all the retroanalysis specialties.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Otto informed us that he started some time ago a
> > retro-wiki
> >
> > > targeted to build such a
> >
> > > source but this initiative had no too much success in
> > the RML.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It's perhaps a matter of communication, so I
> > propose to start
> >
> > > it again. We agreed with
> >
> > > Otto that the best way would be to participate the
> > retro
> >
> > > community via this RML
> >
> > > in order to structure the wiki (which is as far as I
> >
> > > understand a very flexible tool) altogether.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I would like to remark what I have in mind: there are
> > many
> >
> > > problems, articles, Awards,
> >
> > > comments, definitions, etc, published all over the
> > world; an
> >
> > > endless ocean to be
> >
> > > navigated lonely. When one is trying to go deeper with
> >
> >
> > > something it's a must to start
> >
> > > from its state of the art, but how to get it?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Magazines are the original source for most problems,
> >
> > > articles, etc, but places like the
> >
> > > Retrocorner are the natural (and indispensable)
> > secondary
> >
> > > source; other way, how to
> >
> > > put the pieces altogether?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This should be started by an Otto's message
> > indicating what
> >
> > > we should define first in
> >
> > > order to build the wiki structure. The wiki is a tool
> > and
> >
> > > this initiative will make sense if
> >
> > > the retroexperts collaborate filling it with contents;
> > other
> >
> > > way, it would be an empty vessel.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > (http://retrowiki.janko.at/. is already fully
> > functional;
> >
> > > nevertheless we should wait
> >
> > > to edit it until some agreement about the desired
> > structure
> >
> > > is reached on the RML).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Some messages from the retro community supporting this
> >
> >
> > > initiative would be very appreciated.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Best,
> >
> > > Roberto Osorio
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Retros mailing list
> >
> > > Retros at janko.at
> >
> > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/retros
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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