[Retros] Retro wiki and themes

[Alain BROBECKER]

Dear retro friends,

I updated the definitions of themes on the retro-wiki.
http://retrowiki.janko.at/

The actualised list, thanks to Bernd Gräfrath & Christian Poisson
follows. Don't hesitate to complete/correct.

Phoenix             : A piece is captured and then a promotion to the same kind of piece occurs.
Ceriani-Frolkin     : A promoted unit is captured.
Schnoebelen         : A promotee is captured on its promotion square without having moved after the promotion.
Pronkin             : A promoted piece moves on the initial square of a captured unit of the same kind.
Anti-Pronkin        : A piece moves on the promotion square of a piece of the same kind and colour.
Switchback          : A piece returns to a previously occupied square after it occupied only one other square.
Circuit             : A piece returns to a previously occupied square after it occupied at least 2 other squares.
Valladao-Monteiro   : Castling+ep capture+promotion.
Allumwandlung (AUW) : Promotion in all 4 figures.
Massacre            : Almost every move is a capture.
At home             : All pieces of (at least) one camp seem to be on their home square.
?                   : Circuit of a piece which is then captured on its home square.

The next ones are not retro oriented, but could apply i think.

Babson              : All 4 promotions by white and black in echo.
Black-white duel    : At least 3 different moves of the same black piece are followed by different moves of the same white piece. 
White-black duel    : At least 3 different moves of the same white piece are refuted by different moves of the same black piece. 
Excelsior           : A Pawn, initially on its game-array square, promotes.
Umnov               : White plays to the square which Black has just left. The theme is delayed if White doesn't play to that square immediatly.
?                   : ?


cu, Alain

Alain Brobecker (abrobecker at yahoo.com) |_  _  _ |_
http://abrobecker.free.fr/             |_)(_|(_|| ) of  Arm's Tech


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> Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:32:43 +0200

> From: "Otto Janko" <otto at janko.at>

> Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library

> To: "'The Retrograde Analysis Mailing

> List'" <retros at janko.at>

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> 

> Hi ALL

> 

> Proposal for a way forward:

> 

> 1. We shold first come to a decision whether we really want

> to start this

> project or not. The Project can only be successful if many

> of you are

> willing to participate an provide content to the Wiki.

> 

> 2. We should decide on the scope of the Wiki: Problem chess

> in general or

> Retro only (which may grow to problem chess in general

> later)

> 

> 2a. We should have a rough idea what information should be

> put into the

> Wiki. I already started this on the main page of the Wiki.

> It's an unordered

> list - please feel free to add items to this list or to

> restructure this

> list. Please do it directly in the Wiki (by means of the

> [edit] button).

> 

> 2b. After 2a is completed, we can setup an initial

> structure. However, this

> would be a structure "by convention", and

> additional content can be added

> freely. 

> 

> 3. For common types of information (e.g. glossary entries,

> magazine

> information, tournament information) we should setup an

> example page. As

> soon as we are satisfied with these example pages, we can

> use it as template

> and start adding additional content.

> 

> After we agreed on 1., I will create a help page "Wiki

> editing primer" for

> all of us who are not familiar with the MediaWiki software.

> This primer will

> only cover the basics: 

> - How to make paragraphs, 

> - how to make lists, 

> - how to make titles and subtitles, 

> - how to make monospaced text, 

> - how to make small tables,

> - how to integrate images, 

> - how to integrate diagrams.

> 

> We also have to agree on several organisazial issus: 

> 

> - Who is allowed to edit? (all or only registered users) 

> - What about Copyright? (currently: Creative Commons

> Attribution-NonCommercial-

>   ShareAlike 2.5 License statement - is this ok for us?) 

> - We need at least two additional admins for the Wiki - any

> volunteers?)

> - More to come

> 

> Best Regards,

> 

> - Otto Janko [mailto:otto at janko.at] [http://www.janko.at]

> -- Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain

> security, 

> - will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. [Benjamin

> Franklin]

> 

>  

> 

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: retros-bounces at janko.at 

> > [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of

> raosorio at fibertel.com.ar

> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:05 PM

> > To: retros at janko.at

> > Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library

> > 

> > 

> > Hi friends,

> > 

> > We were discussing with Nicolas Dupont about the

> necessity of 

> > having an ordered,

> > complete and friendly source to easily get the PGs

> state of 

> > the art in every respect.

> > 

> > We were focussed on PGs but after some interaction

> with Otto 

> > Janko this concept

> > was extended to all the retroanalysis specialties.

> > 

> > Otto informed us that he started some time ago a

> retro-wiki 

> > targeted to build such a

> > source but this initiative had no too much success in

> the RML.

> > 

> > It's perhaps a matter of communication, so I

> propose to start 

> > it again. We agreed with

> > Otto that the best way would be to participate the

> retro 

> > community via this RML

> >  in order to structure the wiki (which is as far as I 

> > understand a very flexible tool) altogether.

> > 

> > I would like to remark what I have in mind: there are

> many 

> > problems, articles, Awards,

> > comments, definitions, etc, published all over the

> world; an 

> > endless ocean to be

> > navigated lonely. When one is trying to go deeper with

> 

> > something it's a must to start 

> > from its state of the art, but how to get it?

> > 

> > Magazines are the original source for most problems, 

> > articles, etc, but places like the

> > Retrocorner are the natural (and indispensable)

> secondary 

> > source; other way, how to

> > put the pieces altogether?

> > 

> > This should be started by an Otto's message

> indicating what 

> > we should define first in

> > order to build the wiki structure. The wiki is a tool

> and 

> > this initiative will make sense if

> > the retroexperts collaborate filling it with contents;

> other 

> > way, it would be an empty vessel.

> > 

> > (http://retrowiki.janko.at/.  is already fully

> functional; 

> > nevertheless we should wait 

> > to edit it until some agreement about the desired

> structure 

> > is reached on the RML).

> > 

> > Some messages from the retro community supporting this

> 

> > initiative would be very appreciated.

> > 

> > Best,

> > Roberto Osorio

> > _______________________________________________

> > Retros mailing list

> > Retros at janko.at

> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/retros

> > 

> 

> 

> 

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> 

> Message: 2

> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:08:46 EDT

> From: Pastmaker at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library

> To: andrew at anselan.com, retros at janko.at

> Message-ID: <cb6.2cf71e10.3561926e at aol.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> 

> 

> Dear colleagues, 

> 

> I would strongly advise against any "best of"

> listings in a database.  It is 

> entirely subjective no matter what we may like to think,

> and therefore 

> pointless.  But it is also harmful to a discipline.  

> 

> Even the "records" we keep (not subjective - -

> except, of course, as to which 

> records are worth maintaining) are often problematic, the

> interest in those 

> statistics causing compositions to be misinterpreted as

> task efforts.  For 

> example, I have frequently had comments about the number of

> retroscreens in a 

> composition, which had nothing to do with the point of the

> composition (the 

> number, per se, never having been of any interest to this

> composer).  I know that 

> this proclivity to develop statistics has also disturbed

> other composers.

> 

> Imagine a central database of online literature with a list

> of the N best 

> books ever written, or a database of art with a list of the

> K best paintings.  

> But perhaps I am a hopeless antique, and such things

> already exist.

> 

> Please don't do it with chess compositions.

> 

> Thomas Volet

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:28:22 +0200

> From: "Otto Janko" <otto at janko.at>

> Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library

> To: "'The Retrograde Analysis Mailing

> List'" <retros at janko.at>,

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> 

> Hi Tom,

>  

> Hm - the "best of" / "record lists" are

> already there, and are also

> published in chess magazines. For example, the type A/B/C/D

> last move

> records list. Why is wrong to put these lists into a Wiki?

> Not doing wo will

> not make the existing lists disapear. There seems to be a

> demand to have

> such lists.

>  

> "record lists" and "best of" lists are

> different. Maybe the FIDE albums come

> near to "best of" lists. And the goal of every

> tournament is to compile a

> "best of" list based on the opinion of the judge

> (from a limited number of

> problems).

>  

> ~?tt?~

> 

> 

>   _____  

> 

> From: retros-bounces at janko.at

> [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of

> Pastmaker at aol.com

> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:09 PM

> To: andrew at anselan.com; retros at janko.at

> Subject: Re: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library

> 

> 

> 

> Dear colleagues, 

> 

> I would strongly advise against any "best of"

> listings in a database.  It is

> entirely subjective no matter what we may like to think,

> and therefore

> pointless.  But it is also harmful to a discipline.  

> 

> Even the "records" we keep (not subjective - -

> except, of course, as to

> which records are worth maintaining) are often problematic,

> the interest in

> those statistics causing compositions to be misinterpreted

> as task efforts.

> For example, I have frequently had comments about the

> number of retroscreens

> in a composition, which had nothing to do with the point of

> the composition

> (the number, per se, never having been of any interest to

> this composer).  I

> know that this proclivity to develop statistics has also

> disturbed other

> composers.

> 

> Imagine a central database of online literature with a list

> of the N best

> books ever written, or a database of art with a list of the

> K best

> paintings.  But perhaps I am a hopeless antique, and such

> things already

> exist.

> 

> Please don't do it with chess compositions.

> 

> Thomas Volet

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> **************

> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on

> family favorites at

> AOL Food.

> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

> 

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> Message: 4

> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:20:07 -0300

> From: <raosorio at fibertel.com.ar>

> Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly retro

> library

> To: retros at janko.at

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> 

> Hi Otto and all,

> 

> 1. I think we should assume we want to start the project.

> 

> 2. I propose to start with only retro as scope in order to

> be effective; a too pretentious

> starting is a risk to fall into paralysis since too many

> things should be considered.

> The scope could be extended later.

> 

> 2a.  An active participation is necessary here; personally,

> I would need to see the

> wiki functioning  to fully understand the point (I assume

> that Informal Tourneys and

> their Awards will be included in Retro Tourneys).

> 

> As to the point that Tom remarked, I agree with Otto that

> "records" and "best of" are

> totally different. Records are well defined within

> parameters to be optimyzed (and

> they have in general nothing to do with the artistic

> approach) while "best" is a risky

> word. 

> 

> Let's clearly establish that the retro-wiki initiative

> is just to build a useful tool where

> all the retro antecedents were easily available; it's

> not to define positions or opinions

> pretending to represent the retrocommunity.

> 

> Best,

> Roberto

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Otto's message

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Hi ALL 

> 

> Proposal for a way forward: 

> 

> 1. We shold first come to a decision whether we really want

> to start this 

> project or not. The Project can only be successful if many

> of you are 

> willing to participate an provide content to the Wiki. 

> 

> 2. We should decide on the scope of the Wiki: Problem chess

> in general or 

> Retro only (which may grow to problem chess in general

> later) 

> 

> 2a. We should have a rough idea what information should be

> put into the 

> Wiki. I already started this on the main page of the Wiki.

> It's an unordered 

> list - please feel free to add items to this list or to

> restructure this 

> list. Please do it directly in the Wiki (by means of the

> [edit] button). 

> 

> 2b. After 2a is completed, we can setup an initial

> structure. However, this 

> would be a structure "by convention", and

> additional content can be added 

> freely. 

> 

> 3. For common types of information (e.g. glossary entries,

> magazine 

> information, tournament information) we should setup an

> example page. As 

> soon as we are satisfied with these example pages, we can

> use it as template 

> and start adding additional content. 

> 

> After we agreed on 1., I will create a help page "Wiki

> editing primer" for 

> all of us who are not familiar with the MediaWiki software.

> This primer will 

> only cover the basics: 

> - How to make paragraphs, 

> - how to make lists, 

> - how to make titles and subtitles, 

> - how to make monospaced text, 

> - how to make small tables, 

> - how to integrate images, 

> - how to integrate diagrams. 

> 

> We also have to agree on several organisazial issus: 

> 

> - Who is allowed to edit? (all or only registered users) 

> - What about Copyright? (currently: Creative Commons 

> Attribution-NonCommercial- 

> ShareAlike 2.5 License statement - is this ok for us?) 

> - We need at least two additional admins for the Wiki - any

> volunteers?) 

> - More to come 

> 

> Best Regards, 

> 

> - Otto Janko [mailto:otto at janko.at]

> [http://www.janko.at] 

> -- Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain

> security, 

> - will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. [Benjamin

> Franklin] 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> > -----Original Message----- 

> 

> > From: retros-bounces at janko.at 

> 

> > [mailto:retros-bounces at janko.at] On Behalf Of

> raosorio at fibertel.com.ar 

> 

> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:05 PM 

> 

> > To: retros at janko.at 

> 

> > Subject: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly

> retro library 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Hi friends, 

> 

> > 

> 

> > We were discussing with Nicolas Dupont about the

> necessity of 

> 

> > having an ordered, 

> 

> > complete and friendly source to easily get the PGs

> state of 

> 

> > the art in every respect. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > We were focussed on PGs but after some interaction

> with Otto 

> 

> > Janko this concept 

> 

> > was extended to all the retroanalysis specialties. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Otto informed us that he started some time ago a

> retro-wiki 

> 

> > targeted to build such a 

> 

> > source but this initiative had no too much success in

> the RML. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > It's perhaps a matter of communication, so I

> propose to start 

> 

> > it again. We agreed with 

> 

> > Otto that the best way would be to participate the

> retro 

> 

> > community via this RML 

> 

> > in order to structure the wiki (which is as far as I 

> 

> > understand a very flexible tool) altogether. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I would like to remark what I have in mind: there are

> many 

> 

> > problems, articles, Awards, 

> 

> > comments, definitions, etc, published all over the

> world; an 

> 

> > endless ocean to be 

> 

> > navigated lonely. When one is trying to go deeper with

> 

> 

> > something it's a must to start 

> 

> > from its state of the art, but how to get it? 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Magazines are the original source for most problems, 

> 

> > articles, etc, but places like the 

> 

> > Retrocorner are the natural (and indispensable)

> secondary 

> 

> > source; other way, how to 

> 

> > put the pieces altogether? 

> 

> > 

> 

> > This should be started by an Otto's message

> indicating what 

> 

> > we should define first in 

> 

> > order to build the wiki structure. The wiki is a tool

> and 

> 

> > this initiative will make sense if 

> 

> > the retroexperts collaborate filling it with contents;

> other 

> 

> > way, it would be an empty vessel. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > (http://retrowiki.janko.at/. is already fully

> functional; 

> 

> > nevertheless we should wait 

> 

> > to edit it until some agreement about the desired

> structure 

> 

> > is reached on the RML). 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Some messages from the retro community supporting this

> 

> 

> > initiative would be very appreciated. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Best, 

> 

> > Roberto Osorio 

> 

> > _______________________________________________ 

> 

> > Retros mailing list 

> 

> > Retros at janko.at 

> 

> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/retros 

> 

> > 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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