[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 3

[calvin young]

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> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:41:24 -0400

> From: "Attila" <attila13 at bellsouth.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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>                Copper Grease, lightly applied, for sure the best solution.

>

>

>

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Camran Nassiri

> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:03 PM

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

>

>

> Hi Chet- would you recommend a little anti- seize lubricant before you 

> screw

> the plug in to make it easier when the next time you are removing the 

> plug?

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

>

>

>  _____

>

> From: chwilka at comcast.net

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has a

> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as you?re

> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think ? 

> &

> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions and 

> a

> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>

> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get 

> gunked

> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads 

> in

> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

> power tools on spark plugs.

>

> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just 

> the

> seal.

>

>

>

> Chet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

>

>

> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They 

> cleaned

> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left 

> side?

>

> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

> seals.

>

> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not 

> the

> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug 

> to

> determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if I am

> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking 

> the

> plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already have.

>

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> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:53:43 +0200

> From: "H?land, ?ge" <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

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> Hi Dick,

> Thanky you very much for your advice concerning my problem and spending 

> the time doing this. I would like to have your knowledge and experience to 

> go further trying to solve  this "challenge". But your advice will be 

> worthful when I find local experienced to help me. I have put som 

> questions into your answer below and if you find time I would appreciate 

> your thougths.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Regards,

> Aage

>

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> Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] 

> P? vegne av Dick Spellman

> Sendt: 2. september 2010 17:29

> Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>

>

>

> Hi Aage,

>

> It has been a long while since I worked on the extender circuit and gear. 

> The limit switch is designed to cycle the motor off when the arm reaches 

> its limit and to avoid dmaging those gears.  The fact that your gears are 

> running continuously is a concern.  What position is the extended arm 

> while this is happening?   The extended arm is out, the door is closed, 

> the seat belt is off. I have tried different combinations door 

> open/seatbelt on and vicaversa, the motor is running all the time.

>

> The electrical circuit includes the seatbelt buckle (latch) and one of the 

> door pin switches.  The door pin switch provides state of door open 

> (retract arm) closed (extend arm).  This is 'anded' with the state of the 

> seatbelt latch. 1. buckled (no action) regardless of door state or 2. 

> unbuckled and door closed (extend arm).  I think that is the logic flow.

>

> The limit switch is tied to motor cut-off only and is a function of the 

> arms position 1. fully retracted -stop the motor or 2. fully extended - 

> stop the motor.  The limit switch does require movement (motor torque) to 

> activate.  This is the function that preserves the gears from being 

> stipped and/or the motor being damaged.  Concerning limit switches- this 

> is thecnnical switches which put a signal to the motor to stop? In some 

> way I feel that the plastic gears is not a part of the problem or could 

> they be???

>

> I hope this helps.  In terms of what you can do...Check the door pin 

> switch and then check the seatbelt fastener (latch) by disconnecting each 

> from the chassis electrical harness and reading the state change of each 

> using a simple VOHM meter.   Be careful not to lose the pin switch leads 

> in the door frame recess.   I have to pull the pin switch on my SEC to see 

> what the normal state is or perhaps someone else can chime in that knows.

> I feel that the problem can be electrical disfunctions in one of the 

> elements seat belts, door pin, switches, or in/to the ?blackboxbrain(under 

> the side panel) where I assume / a lot of el.threads meets from which 

> there is a connection by the 6 or 8-pin connection to the motor????

>

> Regards,

> Dick

>

>

> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:15 AM, "H?land, ?ge" 

> <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Dick.

> Thank you for your advice an .

>

> I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly 

> all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

> What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even the 

> ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

> As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>

> If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate that 

> very much.

>

> Have a nice day.

>

> Regars Aage

>

>

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> Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] 

> P? vegne av Dick Spellman

> Sendt: 1. september 2010 19:19

> Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>

>

> Hi Asge,

>

> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common 

> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm 

> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>

> From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to 

> this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder) for 

> more info on how to repair. 

> <http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm>

>

> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the metal 

> gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.  I 

> think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes or 

> resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>

> Regards,

> Dick

>

>

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" 

> <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>

>

> Hello SEC-fans.

>

> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the 

> motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt motor 

> started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse is 

> out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side panel 

> and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black 

> box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem the 

> motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be fixed. 

> I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>

> I would appreciate very much your advice.

>

> Regards

> Aage Haaland

> Norway

>

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> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Rob Dent <dentrpt9 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Willard Tredway Junk Emails

> To: 190girl <190girl at earthlink.net>, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

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> I think it was about a year ago that Willard came down with Lou Gehrig's 

> disease. Not so sure that it is him doing this and I do not know if there 

> is a way to stop the posts as his email obviously had been comprimised. He 

> was a very active member on this list at one time. Does anyone have any 

> more updates for Willard?

>

> --- On Mon, 8/23/10, 190girl <190girl at earthlink.net> wrote:

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>

> From: 190girl <190girl at earthlink.net>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Willard Tredway Junk Emails

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 7:39 AM

>

>

>

>

>

> Willard Tredway please remove my email address from your daily junkmail 

> list.? Attempts to reach you announce "mailbox full" and bounce back.? I 

> am sure others are annoyed too.? Thanks.

> ?

> 190Girl

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> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:31:24 -0400

> From: JONATHAN REYES <jojonrey at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2

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> interior temperature ( overhead by the reading lights ) if you follow the

> hose connected to that sensor , it goes directly to the aspirator motor ,

> which determines interior temperature that tell's the HVAC control unit

> which way to adjust . hot , warm or cold .

>

> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, <mbcoupes-request at mbcoupes.com> wrote:

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>>   1. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (calvin young)

>>   2. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (Markus Meyer)

>>   3. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)

>>   4. Heater Blower (Camran Nassiri)

>>   5. Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)

>>   6. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>>   7. Re: Heater Blower (Markus Meyer)

>>   8. Re: Heater Blower (mavris2)

>>   9. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Josh Allen)

>>  10. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>>  11. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>>  12. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (H?land, ?ge)

>>  13. Re: Heater Blower (Chet Hwilka)

>>  14. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Chet Hwilka)

>>  15. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)

>>  16. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)

>>  17. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Camran Nassiri)

>>

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:36 -0400

>> From: "calvin young" <calvinyoung at cox.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

>> To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <7A7EF8896CD3452D806265C369CEE2A9 at calvinPC>

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>> thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately, the

>> 83

>> has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

>> arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

>> rests.

>> This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as these

>> will

>> not go on the list.

>>

>> As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

>> engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

>> issue

>> is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a rubber

>> gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to these

>> flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been

>> for

>> some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is 

>> why

>> the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing

>> the

>> glass.

>>

>> Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange 

>> is

>> not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new driver's

>> door glass.

>>

>> Thanks again

>>

>> Cal

>>

>> >

>> > Message: 2

>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

>> > From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

>> >

>> > Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed

>> > slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy way.

>> > It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

>> > regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially once

>> > you've done it the first time.

>> >

>> > Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

>> >

>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

>> >

>> > Jaw types:

>> > right angle

>> >

>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

>> >

>> > flat

>> >

>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

>> >

>> >

>> > I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from looking

>> > my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just 

>> > like

>> > my SD did.

>> >

>> > Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of these

>> > sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a 

>> > die

>> > grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

>> >

>> > -Josh

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 2

>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:56:26 -0400

>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>> Not sure I followed the entire thread here, but in my case, the glass

>> itself

>> came "unglued" from the track, so I had a glass place apply some new glue

>> to

>> hold it in place.  They don't use that entire rubber gasket idea anymore.

>>

>> The track then attaches to the scissors type arm that moves the window up

>> and down via the motor and toothed wheel.  The frame is bolted to the 

>> door.

>> A common failure point from twisting/flexing over the years is these

>> attachment points, either the glass to the track, the toothed wheel at 

>> the

>> motor, or the attachment points at the door.  I got lucky on another car

>> and

>> just had the one bolt come loose, all did not and the hole itself wasn't

>> sheared larger so I was able to reinstall with a washer.

>>

>> Markus

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, calvin young <calvinyoung at cox.net> 

>> wrote:

>>

>> > thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately, 

>> > the

>> > 83 has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

>> > arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

>> rests.

>> > This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as these

>> will

>> > not go on the list.

>> >

>> > As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

>> > engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

>> issue

>> > is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a rubber

>> > gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to these

>> > flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have 

>> > been

>> for

>> > some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is

>> why

>> > the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without 

>> > changing

>> the

>> > glass.

>> >

>> > Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange

>> is

>> > not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new 

>> > driver's

>> > door glass.

>> >

>> > Thanks again

>> >

>> > Cal

>> >

>> >

>> >> Message: 2

>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

>> >> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>> >> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

>> >>

>> >> Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed

>> >> slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy 

>> >> way.

>> >> It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

>> >> regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially 

>> >> once

>> >> you've done it the first time.

>> >>

>> >> Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

>> >>

>> >>

>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

>> >>

>> >> Jaw types:

>> >> right angle

>> >>

>> >>

>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

>> >>

>> >> flat

>> >>

>> >>

>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from 

>> >> looking

>> >> my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just 

>> >> like

>> >> my SD did.

>> >>

>> >> Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of 

>> >> these

>> >> sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a 

>> >> die

>> >> grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

>> >>

>> >> -Josh

>> >>

>> >

>> >

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>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:19:27 -0400

>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>> Hi Asge,

>>

>> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

>> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>>

>> >From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to

>> this

>> link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder) for 

>> more

>> info on how to repair.   <

>>

>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>> >

>>

>> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the metal

>> gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.  I

>> think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes 

>> or

>> resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Dick

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>

>> >  Hello SEC-fans.

>> >

>> > I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

>> > motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

>> motor

>> > started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse

>> > is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side

>> > panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black

>> > box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem the

>> > motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>> fixed.

>> > I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>> >

>> > I would appreciate very much your advice.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Aage Haaland

>> > Norway

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>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:09 -0700

>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <COL106-W8BE76C1D1722B56DFB391EB8B0 at phx.gbl>

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>>

>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.

>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

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>> Message: 5

>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:20 -0700

>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>

>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

>> cleaned

>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

>> side?

>>

>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>> while-I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>> seals.

>>

>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>> the

>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug

>> to

>> determine the correct size to use? I haven't been able to "feel" if I am

>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

>> the

>> plug)? I don't want to cause any more problems than I already have.

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>> Message: 6

>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:02:42 -0700

>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <085D69F569CD485CB26E6A37F0AF067B at Puget69875>

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>>

>> What is an aspirator motor?

>>

>> Ronny

>>

>>

>> From: Camran Nassiri

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.

>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 7

>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400

>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID:

>> 

>> <AANLkTi=K=nTmRRCm+VJZYCnLUAUkQTm9ZAWpMLkr2jy9 at mail.gmail.com<nTmRRCm%2BVJZYCnLUAUkQTm9ZAWpMLkr2jy9 at mail.gmail.com>

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>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past

>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run higher

>> or

>> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is 

>> correct.

>>

>> Markus

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net

>> >wrote:

>>

>> >  What is an aspirator motor?

>> >

>> > Ronny

>> >

>> >  *From:* Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>> > *To:* MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> > *Subject:* [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> >

>> > I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out

>> that

>> > the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> > screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I

>> bought

>> > and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still

>> there

>> > even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold

>> mornings.

>> > After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> > aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same

>> rabbit

>> > trail I followed.

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > Camran

>> > 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> Message: 8

>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:41:18 -0400

>> From: mavris2 <mavris2 at comcast.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <20100902034107.244E1CF021 at mailwash11.pair.com>

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>>

>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the

>> climate control system

>> Jason

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>> What is an aspirator motor?

>> ?

>> Ronny?

>>

>> From: Camran Nassiri

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.? I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.? I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.? The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.?

>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.? This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 9

>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:34:48 -0700

>> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <4C7F2968.2050605 at null-ptr.net>

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>>

>> On 9/1/2010 2:24 PM, Henry Viveiros wrote:

>> >

>> > My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed

>> > the problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal.

>> > They cleaned the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the

>> > right or left side?

>> >

>> > My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in

>> > a while---I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the

>> > valve seals.

>> >

>> > When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and

>> > not the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket

>> > onto the plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven't been

>> > able to "feel" if I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to

>> > cause any problems (breaking the plug)? I don't want to cause any more

>> > problems than I already have.

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> If I remember correctly, it was the larger of the two common plug socket

>> sizes, and I see no reason you'd damage the plug, as long as you're

>> reasonably careful about not just jamming it in there and pushing some

>> more!

>>

>> As to cylinder numbering, on the M117 engine, cylinders 1-4 are the

>> right bank, front to rear, with 4-6 on the left bank, front to rear.

>>

>> http://www.autotrend.us/firingorder126.JPG

>>

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>> Message: 10

>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:18 -0700

>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <8FAD9262E54D432EBDB2791404D22176 at Puget69875>

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> Ronny

>>

>>

>> From: Markus Meyer

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:21 PM

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past

>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run higher 

>> or

>> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is 

>> correct.

>>

>> Markus

>>

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>  What is an aspirator motor?

>>

>>  Ronny

>>

>>

>>  From: Camran Nassiri

>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>  To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>>  I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.

>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>>  Thanks,

>>  Camran

>>  91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

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>>

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>> Message: 11

>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:37 -0700

>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> Ronny

>>

>>

>> From: mavris2

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:41 PM

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the

>> climate control system

>> Jason

>>

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>> What is an aspirator motor?

>>

>> Ronny

>>

>>

>> From: Camran Nassiri

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.

>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 12

>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:15:30 +0200

>> From: "H?land, ?ge" <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <367D5645B71CEC4B8D87CDAD81B30907027D02B2 at EC6.ihelse.net>

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>> Hi Dick.

>> Thank you for your advice an .

>>

>> I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly

>> all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

>> What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even 

>> the

>> ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

>> As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>>

>> If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate 

>> that

>> very much.

>>

>> Have a nice day.

>>

>> Regars Aage

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>>        Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] P? vegne av Dick Spellman

>>        Sendt: 1. september 2010 19:19

>>        Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>        Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>

>>

>>        Hi Asge,

>>

>>        This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a 

>> common

>> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>>

>>        From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor. 

>> Go

>> to this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)

>> for more info on how to repair.   <

>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>> >

>>

>>        I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using 

>> the

>> metal gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this 

>> day.

>>  I think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now 

>> makes

>> or resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>>

>>        Regards,

>>        Dick

>>

>>

>>        On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>

>>

>>                Hello SEC-fans.

>>

>>                I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986

>> concerning the motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the

>> seat belt motor started running all the time even the ignition is off and

>> even the fuse is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I 

>> opened

>> the side panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a

>> black box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem

>> the motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>> fixed. I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>>

>>                I would appreciate very much your advice.

>>

>>                Regards

>>                Aage Haaland

>>                Norway

>>

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>> Message: 13

>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:44:00 -0400

>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <1F2BA7F5127B4B19AEEFB9F5004A0743 at Chethp>

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>>

>> Boy that's weird.. Coincidently, I just replaced mine today..

>>

>>

>>

>> Got it from:

>>

>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym

>> <

>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym&

>>

>> makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC%20%26%20He

>> at%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor>

>> &makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC

>> %20%26%20H

>> eat%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor

>>

>>

>>

>> Chet

>>

>>

>>

>>  _____

>>

>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>> On Behalf Of Camran Nassiri

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:52 PM

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>

>>

>>

>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>> that

>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>> bought

>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>> there

>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>> mornings.

>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>> rabbit

>> trail I followed.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

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>> Message: 14

>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Message-ID: <DE3A3A17D93F4FD3A8F83579921B75F3 at Chethp>

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>>

>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has 

>> a

>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as 

>> you?re

>> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think 

>> ?

>> &

>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions 

>> and

>> a

>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>>

>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

>> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get 

>> gunked

>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads 

>> in

>> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

>> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

>> power tools on spark plugs.

>>

>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just 

>> the

>> seal.

>>

>>

>>

>> Chet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>  _____

>>

>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>

>>

>>

>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

>> cleaned

>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

>> side?

>>

>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>> seals.

>>

>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>> the

>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug

>> to

>> determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if I am

>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

>> the

>> plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already have.

>>

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>> Message: 15

>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:28:53 -0400

>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>> Hi Aage,

>>

>> It has been a long while since I worked on the extender circuit and gear.

>> The limit switch is designed to cycle the motor off when the arm reaches

>> its

>> limit and to avoid dmaging those gears.  The fact that your gears are

>> running continuously is a concern.  What position is the extended arm 

>> while

>> this is happening?

>>

>> The electrical circuit includes the seatbelt buckle (latch) and one of 

>> the

>> door pin switches.  The door pin switch provides state of door open

>> (retract

>> arm) closed (extend arm).  This is 'anded' with the state of the seatbelt

>> latch. 1. buckled (no action) regardless of door state or 2. unbuckled 

>> and

>> door closed (extend arm).  I think that is the logic flow.

>>

>> The limit switch is tied to motor cut-off only and is a function of the

>> arms

>> position 1. fully retracted -stop the motor or 2. fully extended - stop 

>> the

>> motor.  The limit switch does require movement (motor torque) to 

>> activate.

>> This is the function that preserves the gears from being stipped and/or 

>> the

>> motor being damaged.

>>

>> I hope this helps.  In terms of what you can do...Check the door pin 

>> switch

>> and then check the seatbelt fastener (latch) by disconnecting each from 

>> the

>> chassis electrical harness and reading the state change of each using a

>> simple VOHM meter.   Be careful not to lose the pin switch leads in the

>> door

>> frame recess.   I have to pull the pin switch on my SEC to see what the

>> normal state is or perhaps someone else can chime in that knows.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Dick

>>

>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:15 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>

>> >  Hi Dick.

>> > Thank you for your advice an .

>> >

>> > I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running 

>> > smoothly

>> > all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

>> > What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even

>> the

>> > ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

>> > As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>> >

>> > If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate

>> that

>> > very much.

>> >

>> > Have a nice day.

>> >

>> > Regars Aage

>> >

>> >  ------------------------------

>> > *Fra:* mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>> > *P? vegne av* Dick Spellman

>> > *Sendt:* 1. september 2010 19:19

>> > *Til:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>> > *Emne:* Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>> >

>> > Hi Asge,

>> >

>> > This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

>> > problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

>> > retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>> >

>> > From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to

>> > this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)

>> for

>> > more info on how to repair.   <

>> >

>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>> > >

>> >

>> > I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the 

>> > metal

>> > gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day. 

>> > I

>> > think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes

>> or

>> > resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> > Dick

>> >

>> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>> > aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>> >

>> >>  Hello SEC-fans.

>> >>

>> >> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

>> >> motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

>> motor

>> >> started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the 

>> >> fuse

>> >> is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the 

>> >> side

>> >> panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black

>> >> box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem 

>> >> the

>> >> motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>> fixed.

>> >> I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>> >>

>> >> I would appreciate very much your advice.

>> >>

>> >> Regards

>> >> Aage Haaland

>> >> Norway

>> >>

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>> >>

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>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:59:25 -0700

>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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>> Thanks Chet & Josh - I'll get the correct socket this weekend  and get it

>> done. Maybe cleaning the plug now and then will be OK. I'll find out.

>>

>> I don't know about replacing the valve guides or seals myself although 

>> I'd

>> give it a try if I felt that it might be something a novice could do

>> without

>> too much difficulty. When I first start the engine after sitting 

>> overnight

>> there is some smoke from the exhaust, but none seems to be visible when

>> driving or idling or after a short shut-down.

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>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:02:51 -0700

>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>

>> Hi Chet- would you recommend a little anti- seize lubricant before you

>> screw the plug in to make it easier when the next time you are removing 

>> the

>> plug?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Camran

>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: chwilka at comcast.net

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has 

>> a

>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as 

>> you?re

>> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think 

>> ? &

>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions 

>> and a

>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

>> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get 

>> gunked

>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads 

>> in

>> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

>> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

>> power tools on spark plugs.

>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just 

>> the

>> seal.

>>

>> Chet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>

>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They 

>> cleaned

>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left 

>> side?

>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>> seals.

>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>> the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the

>> plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? 

>> if

>> I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems

>> (breaking the plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I 

>> already

>> have.

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> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:40:46 -0400

> From: JONATHAN REYES <jojonrey at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

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> seat belt presenter , most likely your problem is the relay box mounted on

> the assembly .  you can try swapping the relay box from the passenger side

> just to make sure . they are both the same , hope this helps , Jon

>

> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, JONATHAN REYES <jojonrey at gmail.com> 

> wrote:

>

>> firing order . passenger side 1 2 3 4 starting from the front , driver's

>> side 5 6 7 8 starting from the front , hope this helps , Jon

>>

>>  On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, <mbcoupes-request at mbcoupes.com> wrote:

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>>>   1. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (calvin young)

>>>   2. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (Markus Meyer)

>>>   3. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)

>>>   4. Heater Blower (Camran Nassiri)

>>>   5. Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)

>>>   6. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>>>   7. Re: Heater Blower (Markus Meyer)

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>>>

>>> Message: 1

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:36 -0400

>>> From: "calvin young" <calvinyoung at cox.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

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>>>

>>> thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately, 

>>> the

>>> 83

>>> has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

>>> arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

>>> rests.

>>> This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as these

>>> will

>>> not go on the list.

>>>

>>> As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

>>> engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

>>> issue

>>> is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a rubber

>>> gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to these

>>> flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been

>>> for

>>> some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is

>>> why

>>> the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing

>>> the

>>> glass.

>>>

>>> Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange 

>>> is

>>> not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new 

>>> driver's

>>> door glass.

>>>

>>> Thanks again

>>>

>>> Cal

>>>

>>> >

>>> > Message: 2

>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

>>> > From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>>> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

>>> >

>>> > Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed

>>> > slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy 

>>> > way.

>>> > It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

>>> > regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially 

>>> > once

>>> > you've done it the first time.

>>> >

>>> > Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

>>> >

>>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

>>> >

>>> > Jaw types:

>>> > right angle

>>> >

>>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

>>> >

>>> > flat

>>> >

>>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from 

>>> > looking

>>> > my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just 

>>> > like

>>> > my SD did.

>>> >

>>> > Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of 

>>> > these

>>> > sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a 

>>> > die

>>> > grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

>>> >

>>> > -Josh

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------

>>>

>>> Message: 2

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:56:26 -0400

>>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> Not sure I followed the entire thread here, but in my case, the glass

>>> itself

>>> came "unglued" from the track, so I had a glass place apply some new 

>>> glue

>>> to

>>> hold it in place.  They don't use that entire rubber gasket idea 

>>> anymore.

>>>

>>> The track then attaches to the scissors type arm that moves the window 

>>> up

>>> and down via the motor and toothed wheel.  The frame is bolted to the

>>> door.

>>> A common failure point from twisting/flexing over the years is these

>>> attachment points, either the glass to the track, the toothed wheel at 

>>> the

>>> motor, or the attachment points at the door.  I got lucky on another car

>>> and

>>> just had the one bolt come loose, all did not and the hole itself wasn't

>>> sheared larger so I was able to reinstall with a washer.

>>>

>>> Markus

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, calvin young <calvinyoung at cox.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>> > thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately,

>>> the

>>> > 83 has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

>>> > arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

>>> rests.

>>> > This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as 

>>> > these

>>> will

>>> > not go on the list.

>>> >

>>> > As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

>>> > engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

>>> issue

>>> > is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a 

>>> > rubber

>>> > gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to 

>>> > these

>>> > flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have 

>>> > been

>>> for

>>> > some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which 

>>> > is

>>> why

>>> > the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without 

>>> > changing

>>> the

>>> > glass.

>>> >

>>> > Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the 

>>> > flange

>>> is

>>> > not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new

>>> driver's

>>> > door glass.

>>> >

>>> > Thanks again

>>> >

>>> > Cal

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >> Message: 2

>>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

>>> >> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>>> >> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

>>> >>

>>> >> Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a 

>>> >> failed

>>> >> slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy 

>>> >> way.

>>> >> It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

>>> >> regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially 

>>> >> once

>>> >> you've done it the first time.

>>> >>

>>> >> Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

>>> >>

>>> >> Jaw types:

>>> >> right angle

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

>>> >>

>>> >> flat

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from 

>>> >> looking

>>> >> my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just

>>> like

>>> >> my SD did.

>>> >>

>>> >> Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of 

>>> >> these

>>> >> sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a

>>> die

>>> >> grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

>>> >>

>>> >> -Josh

>>> >>

>>> >

>>> >

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>>> Message: 3

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:19:27 -0400

>>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>> Hi Asge,

>>>

>>> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

>>> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

>>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>>>

>>> >From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to

>>> this

>>> link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder) for 

>>> more

>>> info on how to repair.   <

>>>

>>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>>> >

>>>

>>> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the 

>>> metal

>>> gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.  I

>>> think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes 

>>> or

>>> resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Dick

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>>

>>> >  Hello SEC-fans.

>>> >

>>> > I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

>>> > motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

>>> motor

>>> > started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the 

>>> > fuse

>>> > is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the 

>>> > side

>>> > panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black

>>> > box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem 

>>> > the

>>> > motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>>> fixed.

>>> > I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>>> >

>>> > I would appreciate very much your advice.

>>> >

>>> > Regards

>>> > Aage Haaland

>>> > Norway

>>> >

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>>> > W126 SEC Mailing List

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>>> Message: 4

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:09 -0700

>>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID: <COL106-W8BE76C1D1722B56DFB391EB8B0 at phx.gbl>

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>>>

>>>

>>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>>> that

>>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.

>>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 5

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:20 -0700

>>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

>>> cleaned

>>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

>>> side?

>>>

>>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>>> while-I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>>> seals.

>>>

>>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>>> the

>>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the 

>>> plug

>>> to

>>> determine the correct size to use? I haven't been able to "feel" if I am

>>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

>>> the

>>> plug)? I don't want to cause any more problems than I already have.

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>>> Message: 6

>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:02:42 -0700

>>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> What is an aspirator motor?

>>>

>>> Ronny

>>>

>>>

>>> From: Camran Nassiri

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>>> that

>>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.

>>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 7

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400

>>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID:

>>> 

>>> <AANLkTi=K=nTmRRCm+VJZYCnLUAUkQTm9ZAWpMLkr2jy9 at mail.gmail.com<nTmRRCm%2BVJZYCnLUAUkQTm9ZAWpMLkr2jy9 at mail.gmail.com>

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>>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area 

>>> past

>>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run 

>>> higher

>>> or

>>> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is 

>>> correct.

>>>

>>> Markus

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net

>>> >wrote:

>>>

>>> >  What is an aspirator motor?

>>> >

>>> > Ronny

>>> >

>>> >  *From:* Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>> > *To:* MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> > *Subject:* [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> >

>>> > I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out

>>> that

>>> > the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept 

>>> > hearing

>>> > screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I

>>> bought

>>> > and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still

>>> there

>>> > even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold

>>> mornings.

>>> > After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from 

>>> > the

>>> > aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same

>>> rabbit

>>> > trail I followed.

>>> >

>>> > Thanks,

>>> > Camran

>>> > 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

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>>> Message: 8

>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:41:18 -0400

>>> From: mavris2 <mavris2 at comcast.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for 

>>> the

>>> climate control system

>>> Jason

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>> What is an aspirator motor?

>>> ?

>>> Ronny?

>>>

>>> From: Camran Nassiri

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>>> that

>>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.? I kept hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.? I 

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.? The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.?

>>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.? This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 9

>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:34:48 -0700

>>> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> On 9/1/2010 2:24 PM, Henry Viveiros wrote:

>>> >

>>> > My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed

>>> > the problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal.

>>> > They cleaned the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the

>>> > right or left side?

>>> >

>>> > My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in

>>> > a while---I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the

>>> > valve seals.

>>> >

>>> > When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and

>>> > not the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket

>>> > onto the plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven't been

>>> > able to "feel" if I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to

>>> > cause any problems (breaking the plug)? I don't want to cause any more

>>> > problems than I already have.

>>> >

>>> >

>>>

>>>

>>> If I remember correctly, it was the larger of the two common plug socket

>>> sizes, and I see no reason you'd damage the plug, as long as you're

>>> reasonably careful about not just jamming it in there and pushing some

>>> more!

>>>

>>> As to cylinder numbering, on the M117 engine, cylinders 1-4 are the

>>> right bank, front to rear, with 4-6 on the left bank, front to rear.

>>>

>>> http://www.autotrend.us/firingorder126.JPG

>>>

>>> -Josh

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>>> Message: 10

>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:18 -0700

>>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID: <8FAD9262E54D432EBDB2791404D22176 at Puget69875>

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>>>

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>> Ronny

>>>

>>>

>>> From: Markus Meyer

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:21 PM

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area 

>>> past

>>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run 

>>> higher or

>>> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is 

>>> correct.

>>>

>>> Markus

>>>

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>  What is an aspirator motor?

>>>

>>>  Ronny

>>>

>>>

>>>  From: Camran Nassiri

>>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>>  To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>>  I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out

>>> that the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept 

>>> hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.

>>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>>  Thanks,

>>>  Camran

>>>  91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 11

>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:37 -0700

>>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>> Ronny

>>>

>>>

>>> From: mavris2

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:41 PM

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for 

>>> the

>>> climate control system

>>> Jason

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>> What is an aspirator motor?

>>>

>>> Ronny

>>>

>>>

>>> From: Camran Nassiri

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>>> that

>>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I 

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.

>>>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same 

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 12

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:15:30 +0200

>>> From: "H?land, ?ge" <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID: <367D5645B71CEC4B8D87CDAD81B30907027D02B2 at EC6.ihelse.net>

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>>>

>>> Hi Dick.

>>> Thank you for your advice an .

>>>

>>> I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly

>>> all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

>>> What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even 

>>> the

>>> ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

>>> As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>>>

>>> If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate 

>>> that

>>> very much.

>>>

>>> Have a nice day.

>>>

>>> Regars Aage

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>        Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

>>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] P? vegne av Dick Spellman

>>>        Sendt: 1. september 2010 19:19

>>>        Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>>        Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>>

>>>

>>>        Hi Asge,

>>>

>>>        This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a

>>> common problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the 

>>> arm

>>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>>>

>>>        From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.

>>>  Go to this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's

>>> founder) for more info on how to repair.   <

>>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>>> >

>>>

>>>        I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using 

>>> the

>>> metal gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this 

>>> day.

>>>  I think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now 

>>> makes

>>> or resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>>>

>>>        Regards,

>>>        Dick

>>>

>>>

>>>        On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>                Hello SEC-fans.

>>>

>>>                I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986

>>> concerning the motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly 

>>> the

>>> seat belt motor started running all the time even the ignition is off 

>>> and

>>> even the fuse is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I 

>>> opened

>>> the side panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to 

>>> a

>>> black box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the 

>>> problem

>>> the motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>>> fixed. I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>>>

>>>                I would appreciate very much your advice.

>>>

>>>                Regards

>>>                Aage Haaland

>>>                Norway

>>>

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>>> Message: 13

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:44:00 -0400

>>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID: <1F2BA7F5127B4B19AEEFB9F5004A0743 at Chethp>

>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>>>

>>> Boy that's weird.. Coincidently, I just replaced mine today..

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Got it from:

>>>

>>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym

>>> <

>>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym&

>>>

>>> makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC%20%26%20He

>>> at%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor>

>>> &makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC

>>> %20%26%20H

>>> eat%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Chet

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>  _____

>>>

>>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>>> ]

>>> On Behalf Of Camran Nassiri

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:52 PM

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out 

>>> that

>>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

>>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I

>>> bought

>>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still 

>>> there

>>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold 

>>> mornings.

>>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

>>> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same

>>> rabbit

>>> trail I followed.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

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>>> Message: 14

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

>>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has 

>>> a

>>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as 

>>> you?re

>>> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think 

>>> ?

>>> &

>>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions 

>>> and

>>> a

>>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>>>

>>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

>>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

>>> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get

>>> gunked

>>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads

>>> in

>>> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

>>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

>>> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

>>> power tools on spark plugs.

>>>

>>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just

>>> the

>>> seal.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Chet

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>  _____

>>>

>>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>>> ]

>>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

>>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

>>> cleaned

>>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

>>> side?

>>>

>>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>>> seals.

>>>

>>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>>> the

>>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the 

>>> plug

>>> to

>>> determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if I am

>>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

>>> the

>>> plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already have.

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>>> Message: 15

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:28:53 -0400

>>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Message-ID:

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>>>

>>> Hi Aage,

>>>

>>> It has been a long while since I worked on the extender circuit and 

>>> gear.

>>> The limit switch is designed to cycle the motor off when the arm reaches

>>> its

>>> limit and to avoid dmaging those gears.  The fact that your gears are

>>> running continuously is a concern.  What position is the extended arm

>>> while

>>> this is happening?

>>>

>>> The electrical circuit includes the seatbelt buckle (latch) and one of 

>>> the

>>> door pin switches.  The door pin switch provides state of door open

>>> (retract

>>> arm) closed (extend arm).  This is 'anded' with the state of the 

>>> seatbelt

>>> latch. 1. buckled (no action) regardless of door state or 2. unbuckled 

>>> and

>>> door closed (extend arm).  I think that is the logic flow.

>>>

>>> The limit switch is tied to motor cut-off only and is a function of the

>>> arms

>>> position 1. fully retracted -stop the motor or 2. fully extended - stop

>>> the

>>> motor.  The limit switch does require movement (motor torque) to 

>>> activate.

>>> This is the function that preserves the gears from being stipped and/or

>>> the

>>> motor being damaged.

>>>

>>> I hope this helps.  In terms of what you can do...Check the door pin

>>> switch

>>> and then check the seatbelt fastener (latch) by disconnecting each from

>>> the

>>> chassis electrical harness and reading the state change of each using a

>>> simple VOHM meter.   Be careful not to lose the pin switch leads in the

>>> door

>>> frame recess.   I have to pull the pin switch on my SEC to see what the

>>> normal state is or perhaps someone else can chime in that knows.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Dick

>>>

>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:15 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>>

>>> >  Hi Dick.

>>> > Thank you for your advice an .

>>> >

>>> > I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running 

>>> > smoothly

>>> > all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

>>> > What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even

>>> the

>>> > ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

>>> > As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>>> >

>>> > If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate

>>> that

>>> > very much.

>>> >

>>> > Have a nice day.

>>> >

>>> > Regars Aage

>>> >

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>>> > *Fra:* mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

>>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>>> > *P? vegne av* Dick Spellman

>>> > *Sendt:* 1. september 2010 19:19

>>> > *Til:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>> > *Emne:* Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>>> >

>>> > Hi Asge,

>>> >

>>> > This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

>>> > problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

>>> > retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>>> >

>>> > From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go 

>>> > to

>>> > this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)

>>> for

>>> > more info on how to repair.   <

>>> >

>>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

>>> > >

>>> >

>>> > I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the

>>> metal

>>> > gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day. 

>>> > I

>>> > think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now 

>>> > makes

>>> or

>>> > resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>>> >

>>> > Regards,

>>> > Dick

>>> >

>>> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

>>> > aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >>  Hello SEC-fans.

>>> >>

>>> >> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

>>> >> motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

>>> motor

>>> >> started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the 

>>> >> fuse

>>> >> is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the 

>>> >> side

>>> >> panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a 

>>> >> black

>>> >> box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem 

>>> >> the

>>> >> motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

>>> fixed.

>>> >> I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>>> >>

>>> >> I would appreciate very much your advice.

>>> >>

>>> >> Regards

>>> >> Aage Haaland

>>> >> Norway

>>> >>

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>>> >>

>>> >

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>>> Message: 16

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:59:25 -0700

>>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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>>> Thanks Chet & Josh - I'll get the correct socket this weekend  and get 

>>> it

>>> done. Maybe cleaning the plug now and then will be OK. I'll find out.

>>>

>>> I don't know about replacing the valve guides or seals myself although 

>>> I'd

>>> give it a try if I felt that it might be something a novice could do

>>> without

>>> too much difficulty. When I first start the engine after sitting 

>>> overnight

>>> there is some smoke from the exhaust, but none seems to be visible when

>>> driving or idling or after a short shut-down.

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>>> Message: 17

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:02:51 -0700

>>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>>>

>>> Hi Chet- would you recommend a little anti- seize lubricant before you

>>> screw the plug in to make it easier when the next time you are removing 

>>> the

>>> plug?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Camran

>>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: chwilka at comcast.net

>>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has 

>>> a

>>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as 

>>> you?re

>>> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think 

>>> ? &

>>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions 

>>> and a

>>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

>>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

>>> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get 

>>> gunked

>>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads 

>>> in

>>> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

>>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

>>> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

>>> power tools on spark plugs.

>>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just

>>> the seal.

>>>

>>> Chet

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com 

>>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

>>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>>>

>>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

>>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They 

>>> cleaned

>>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left 

>>> side?

>>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

>>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

>>> seals.

>>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

>>> the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the

>>> plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? 

>>> if

>>> I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems

>>> (breaking the plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I 

>>> already

>>> have.

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