[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2
JONATHAN REYES
jojonrey at gmail.com
Fri Sep 3 00:40:46 EDT 2010
seat belt presenter , most likely your problem is the relay box mounted on
the assembly . you can try swapping the relay box from the passenger side
just to make sure . they are both the same , hope this helps , Jon
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:33 AM, JONATHAN REYES <jojonrey at gmail.com> wrote:
> firing order . passenger side 1 2 3 4 starting from the front , driver's
> side 5 6 7 8 starting from the front , hope this helps , Jon
>
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>> 1. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (calvin young)
>> 2. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (Markus Meyer)
>> 3. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)
>> 4. Heater Blower (Camran Nassiri)
>> 5. Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)
>> 6. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)
>> 7. Re: Heater Blower (Markus Meyer)
>> 8. Re: Heater Blower (mavris2)
>> 9. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Josh Allen)
>> 10. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)
>> 11. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)
>> 12. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (H?land, ?ge)
>> 13. Re: Heater Blower (Chet Hwilka)
>> 14. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Chet Hwilka)
>> 15. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)
>> 16. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)
>> 17. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Camran Nassiri)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:36 -0400
>> From: "calvin young" <calvinyoung at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1
>> To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <7A7EF8896CD3452D806265C369CEE2A9 at calvinPC>
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>>
>> thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info. Unfortunately, the
>> 83
>> has a different setup, I believe. It does not use a sliding jaw
>> arrangement. Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window
>> rests.
>> This item is bolted on. I will send you pics to your computer as these
>> will
>> not go on the list.
>>
>> As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB
>> engineering. Usually very simple and effective, but also strong. The
>> issue
>> is with the metal rod that holds the glass. This rod rests in a rubber
>> gasket. On the rod are three flanges. The regulator attaches to these
>> flanges. In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been
>> for
>> some time. I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is
>> why
>> the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing
>> the
>> glass.
>>
>> Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange is
>> not longer needed. Failing that, I might have to purchase a new driver's
>> door glass.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Cal
>>
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700
>> > From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes
>> >
>> > Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed
>> > slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy way.
>> > It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole
>> > regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially once
>> > you've done it the first time.
>> >
>> > Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.
>> >
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126
>> >
>> > Jaw types:
>> > right angle
>> >
>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042
>> >
>> > flat
>> >
>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142
>> >
>> >
>> > I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from looking
>> > my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just like
>> > my SD did.
>> >
>> > Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of these
>> > sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a die
>> > grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.
>> >
>> > -Josh
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:56:26 -0400
>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTi=8A5J1x7prL045vt2sPXKuE-LSDJJjZuWONgFZ at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Not sure I followed the entire thread here, but in my case, the glass
>> itself
>> came "unglued" from the track, so I had a glass place apply some new glue
>> to
>> hold it in place. They don't use that entire rubber gasket idea anymore.
>>
>> The track then attaches to the scissors type arm that moves the window up
>> and down via the motor and toothed wheel. The frame is bolted to the
>> door.
>> A common failure point from twisting/flexing over the years is these
>> attachment points, either the glass to the track, the toothed wheel at the
>> motor, or the attachment points at the door. I got lucky on another car
>> and
>> just had the one bolt come loose, all did not and the hole itself wasn't
>> sheared larger so I was able to reinstall with a washer.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, calvin young <calvinyoung at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info. Unfortunately,
>> the
>> > 83 has a different setup, I believe. It does not use a sliding jaw
>> > arrangement. Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window
>> rests.
>> > This item is bolted on. I will send you pics to your computer as these
>> will
>> > not go on the list.
>> >
>> > As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB
>> > engineering. Usually very simple and effective, but also strong. The
>> issue
>> > is with the metal rod that holds the glass. This rod rests in a rubber
>> > gasket. On the rod are three flanges. The regulator attaches to these
>> > flanges. In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been
>> for
>> > some time. I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is
>> why
>> > the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing
>> the
>> > glass.
>> >
>> > Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange
>> is
>> > not longer needed. Failing that, I might have to purchase a new
>> driver's
>> > door glass.
>> >
>> > Thanks again
>> >
>> > Cal
>> >
>> >
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700
>> >> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes
>> >>
>> >> Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed
>> >> slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy way.
>> >> It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole
>> >> regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially once
>> >> you've done it the first time.
>> >>
>> >> Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126
>> >>
>> >> Jaw types:
>> >> right angle
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042
>> >>
>> >> flat
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from looking
>> >> my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just
>> like
>> >> my SD did.
>> >>
>> >> Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of these
>> >> sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a
>> die
>> >> grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.
>> >>
>> >> -Josh
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > The MB Coupes Website!
>> > W126 SEC Mailing List
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:19:27 -0400
>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimJ=m3WBu6MX8FzcmRKNEkU5Pw2wdFGSjLS1Fge at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Hi Asge,
>>
>> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common
>> problem). There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm
>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.
>>
>> >From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor. Go to
>> this
>> link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder) for more
>> info on how to repair. <
>>
>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm
>> >
>>
>> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the metal
>> gear originally built by Autolux. They continue to work to this day. I
>> think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA now makes or
>> resells these aluminum replacement gears.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dick
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <
>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello SEC-fans.
>> >
>> > I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the
>> > motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt
>> motor
>> > started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse
>> > is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side
>> > panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black
>> > box/regulation/operation as a first aid. Questions: Is the problem the
>> > motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be
>> fixed.
>> > I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.
>> >
>> > I would appreciate very much your advice.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Aage Haaland
>> > Norway
>> >
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>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:09 -0700
>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <COL106-W8BE76C1D1722B56DFB391EB8B0 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that
>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:20 -0700
>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <003401cb4a1c$0ac42ec0$204c8c40$@net>
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>>
>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the
>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They
>> cleaned
>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left
>> side?
>>
>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a
>> while-I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve
>> seals.
>>
>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not
>> the
>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug
>> to
>> determine the correct size to use? I haven't been able to "feel" if I am
>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking
>> the
>> plug)? I don't want to cause any more problems than I already have.
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:02:42 -0700
>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <085D69F569CD485CB26E6A37F0AF067B at Puget69875>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> What is an aspirator motor?
>>
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>> From: Camran Nassiri
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that
>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400
>> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past
>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if the fan should run higher
>> or
>> slower. Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is correct.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > What is an aspirator motor?
>> >
>> > Ronny
>> >
>> > *From:* Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM
>> > *To:* MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> > *Subject:* [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> >
>> > I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out
>> that
>> > the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> > screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I
>> bought
>> > and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still
>> there
>> > even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold
>> mornings.
>> > After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> > aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same
>> rabbit
>> > trail I followed.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Camran
>> > 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > The MB Coupes Website!
>> > W126 SEC Mailing List
>> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:41:18 -0400
>> From: mavris2 <mavris2 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the
>> climate control system
>> Jason
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>> What is an aspirator motor?
>> ?
>> Ronny?
>>
>> From: Camran Nassiri
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that
>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.? I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.? I bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.? The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.?
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor.? This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
>>
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>> W126 SEC Mailing List
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:34:48 -0700
>> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <4C7F2968.2050605 at null-ptr.net>
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>>
>> On 9/1/2010 2:24 PM, Henry Viveiros wrote:
>> >
>> > My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed
>> > the problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal.
>> > They cleaned the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the
>> > right or left side?
>> >
>> > My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in
>> > a while---I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the
>> > valve seals.
>> >
>> > When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and
>> > not the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket
>> > onto the plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven't been
>> > able to "feel" if I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to
>> > cause any problems (breaking the plug)? I don't want to cause any more
>> > problems than I already have.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> If I remember correctly, it was the larger of the two common plug socket
>> sizes, and I see no reason you'd damage the plug, as long as you're
>> reasonably careful about not just jamming it in there and pushing some
>> more!
>>
>> As to cylinder numbering, on the M117 engine, cylinders 1-4 are the
>> right bank, front to rear, with 4-6 on the left bank, front to rear.
>>
>> http://www.autotrend.us/firingorder126.JPG
>>
>> -Josh
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:18 -0700
>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <8FAD9262E54D432EBDB2791404D22176 at Puget69875>
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>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>> From: Markus Meyer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:21 PM
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past
>> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if the fan should run higher or
>> slower. Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is correct.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What is an aspirator motor?
>>
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>> From: Camran Nassiri
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out
>> that the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:37 -0700
>> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>> From: mavris2
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:41 PM
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the
>> climate control system
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> What is an aspirator motor?
>>
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>> From: Camran Nassiri
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that
>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:15:30 +0200
>> From: "H?land, ?ge" <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation
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>> Hi Dick.
>> Thank you for your advice an .
>>
>> I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly
>> all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.
>> What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even the
>> ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.
>> As a none technical person I can not understand this.
>>
>> If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate that
>> very much.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> Regars Aage
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:
>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] P? vegne av Dick Spellman
>> Sendt: 1. september 2010 19:19
>> Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation
>>
>>
>> Hi Asge,
>>
>> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a
>> common problem). There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm
>> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.
>>
>> From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.
>> Go to this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's
>> founder) for more info on how to repair. <
>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm
>> >
>>
>> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the
>> metal gear originally built by Autolux. They continue to work to this day.
>> I think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA now makes
>> or resells these aluminum replacement gears.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <
>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello SEC-fans.
>>
>> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986
>> concerning the motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the
>> seat belt motor started running all the time even the ignition is off and
>> even the fuse is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened
>> the side panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a
>> black box/regulation/operation as a first aid. Questions: Is the problem
>> the motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be
>> fixed. I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.
>>
>> I would appreciate very much your advice.
>>
>> Regards
>> Aage Haaland
>> Norway
>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:44:00 -0400
>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> Boy that's weird.. Coincidently, I just replaced mine today..
>>
>>
>>
>> Got it from:
>>
>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym
>> <
>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym&
>>
>> makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC%20%26%20He
>> at%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor>
>> &makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC
>> %20%26%20H
>> eat%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor
>>
>>
>>
>> Chet
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Camran Nassiri
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:52 PM
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that
>> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor. I kept hearing
>> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is. I
>> bought
>> and replaced the motor three times to no avail. The noise was still there
>> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.
>> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the
>> aspirator motor. This is so you guys know and don't follow the same
>> rabbit
>> trail I followed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400
>> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store. It has a
>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as you?re
>> removing it. There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think ?
>> &
>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one. You may also need a few extensions and
>> a
>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.
>>
>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as
>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to
>> unscrewing. Repeat until you get it out. The threads sometimes get
>> gunked
>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads
>> in
>> the head. The plug is steel and head is aluminum. When you reinstall,
>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the
>> ratchet. Do not over tighten or you may strip the head. And never use
>> power tools on spark plugs.
>>
>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just
>> the
>> seal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM
>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>>
>>
>>
>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the
>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They
>> cleaned
>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left
>> side?
>>
>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a
>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve
>> seals.
>>
>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not
>> the
>> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug
>> to
>> determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if I am
>> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking
>> the
>> plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already have.
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:28:53 -0400
>> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Aage,
>>
>> It has been a long while since I worked on the extender circuit and gear.
>> The limit switch is designed to cycle the motor off when the arm reaches
>> its
>> limit and to avoid dmaging those gears. The fact that your gears are
>> running continuously is a concern. What position is the extended arm
>> while
>> this is happening?
>>
>> The electrical circuit includes the seatbelt buckle (latch) and one of the
>> door pin switches. The door pin switch provides state of door open
>> (retract
>> arm) closed (extend arm). This is 'anded' with the state of the seatbelt
>> latch. 1. buckled (no action) regardless of door state or 2. unbuckled and
>> door closed (extend arm). I think that is the logic flow.
>>
>> The limit switch is tied to motor cut-off only and is a function of the
>> arms
>> position 1. fully retracted -stop the motor or 2. fully extended - stop
>> the
>> motor. The limit switch does require movement (motor torque) to activate.
>> This is the function that preserves the gears from being stipped and/or
>> the
>> motor being damaged.
>>
>> I hope this helps. In terms of what you can do...Check the door pin
>> switch
>> and then check the seatbelt fastener (latch) by disconnecting each from
>> the
>> chassis electrical harness and reading the state change of each using a
>> simple VOHM meter. Be careful not to lose the pin switch leads in the
>> door
>> frame recess. I have to pull the pin switch on my SEC to see what the
>> normal state is or perhaps someone else can chime in that knows.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dick
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:15 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <
>> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Dick.
>> > Thank you for your advice an .
>> >
>> > I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly
>> > all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.
>> > What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even
>> the
>> > ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.
>> > As a none technical person I can not understand this.
>> >
>> > If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate
>> that
>> > very much.
>> >
>> > Have a nice day.
>> >
>> > Regars Aage
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > *Fra:* mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:
>> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>> > *P? vegne av* Dick Spellman
>> > *Sendt:* 1. september 2010 19:19
>> > *Til:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> > *Emne:* Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation
>> >
>> > Hi Asge,
>> >
>> > This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common
>> > problem). There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm
>> > retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.
>> >
>> > From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor. Go to
>> > this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)
>> for
>> > more info on how to repair. <
>> >
>> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm
>> > >
>> >
>> > I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the
>> metal
>> > gear originally built by Autolux. They continue to work to this day. I
>> > think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA now makes
>> or
>> > resells these aluminum replacement gears.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dick
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <
>> > aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello SEC-fans.
>> >>
>> >> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the
>> >> motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt
>> motor
>> >> started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse
>> >> is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side
>> >> panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black
>> >> box/regulation/operation as a first aid. Questions: Is the problem the
>> >> motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be
>> fixed.
>> >> I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.
>> >>
>> >> I would appreciate very much your advice.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Aage Haaland
>> >> Norway
>> >>
>> >> The MB Coupes Website!
>> >> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> >> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:59:25 -0700
>> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> Thanks Chet & Josh - I'll get the correct socket this weekend and get it
>> done. Maybe cleaning the plug now and then will be OK. I'll find out.
>>
>> I don't know about replacing the valve guides or seals myself although I'd
>> give it a try if I felt that it might be something a novice could do
>> without
>> too much difficulty. When I first start the engine after sitting overnight
>> there is some smoke from the exhaust, but none seems to be visible when
>> driving or idling or after a short shut-down.
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:02:51 -0700
>> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID: <COL106-W134370C106B356F5842EC3EB8C0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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>>
>> Hi Chet- would you recommend a little anti- seize lubricant before you
>> screw the plug in to make it easier when the next time you are removing the
>> plug?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Camran
>> 91 420SEL, 80 240D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: chwilka at comcast.net
>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store. It has a
>> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as you?re
>> removing it. There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think ? &
>> 5/8 inch). You want the large one. You may also need a few extensions and a
>> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.
>> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as
>> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to
>> unscrewing. Repeat until you get it out. The threads sometimes get gunked
>> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads in
>> the head. The plug is steel and head is aluminum. When you reinstall,
>> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the
>> ratchet. Do not over tighten or you may strip the head. And never use
>> power tools on spark plugs.
>> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just
>> the seal.
>>
>> Chet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM
>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug
>>
>> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the
>> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They cleaned
>> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left side?
>> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a
>> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve
>> seals.
>> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not
>> the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the
>> plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if
>> I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems
>> (breaking the plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already
>> have.
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