[W126 Coupe] spark plugs

[Jonathan]

To achieve those Very low numbers and wide spread one needs to add a 
considerable amount of friction modifiers.  These lessen the 
strength/life of the polymers in that the polymer will sheer more 
readily then oils with a higher starting number/smaller spread.

Also, the vast majority of the new oils are not designed for our 
engines, the OE manufactures all have emissions equipment warranty and 
the anti wear additives that our engines require (ZDDC/Phosphate etc..) 
ruin cats.  The new cars are able to run these oils w/o a problem as 
their machining quality/tolerances are Way beyond what is in our engines.

Also, what you wife likely does to her oil and what we do to our oil are 
two different things;-)  We're I up in your neck of the wood I'd run a 
10/30 in the dead of winter.

As an aside, the Fastest I have ever seen pressure build is in a lady's 
SEC w/ 285K on the clock (stock worn out heads!) we run 20/50 and 1 qt 
of lucas..  Pressure is Instant!

Jonathan


Jonathan

Jonathan

Markus Meyer wrote:

> I'd argue that a lower first number in the oil is better than higher, 

> such as 0W or 5W.  Why?  Because it is the "thickness" of the oil when 

> starting cold, versus the second number which is the "thickness" when 

> warm.  There's been lots of research on this and I've been seeing 

> manufacturers offer products with the lower starting numbers as well.  

> It is supposed to greatly help with the first time you start the car 

> where the majority of wear and tear on the motor happens anyway since 

> no oil in the engine - so the faster it can flow and get to pressure 

> the better.  Don't believe me?  Well, I use 5W-40 in the Benzes, and 

> 0W-30 in my Fords.  Amazing how fast that oil pressure gauge goes up 

> in the winter when first starting the car.  Or, take a bottle of dino 

> 20W-50 vs. synthetic 0W-30 or 5W-40 at 30 degrees and see how each one 

> flows out of the bottle.

>  

> Not trying to start a debate here, and I know there are those that 

> swear by their oil....but my method has me driving a 22 year old car 

> as a daily driver, and my wife drives her 13 year old Ford with over 

> 150K, no engine work whatsoever.

>

> Markus Meyer

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>     -------- Original Message --------

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spark plugs

>     From: Jonathan <jhodgman at gmail.com>

>     Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 12:30 am

>     To: RONNY GEENEN <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>, Mercedes Coupes Mailing

>     Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>

>     Ronny,

>

>     I run 20/50 year round be it synthetic or dino. 

>

>     Depending on the conditions you drive, 5K should be fine on syn.

>     unless you are putting the car under heavy load/through extreme

>     conditions.

>

>     Jonathan

>

>     RONNY GEENEN wrote:

>>     Jonathan,

>>     I followed your discussion. You mentioned it is better to use

>>     20/50 oil.

>>     Is that just the normal oil? I use for my cars only full

>>     synthetic oil and change it every 5,000 miles.

>>      

>>     Ronny

>>     Glendora, Ca 91740

>>     1987 560 SEC

>>     1984 300 SD

>>

>>         ----- Original Message -----

>>         *From:* Jonathan <mailto:jhodgman at gmail.com>

>>         *To:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>         <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>         *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:08 PM

>>         *Subject:* Re: [W126 Coupe] spark plugs

>>

>>         Hello Bill,

>>

>>         Yes, All M116/117's need the same looking after in regards to

>>         the timing chain/tensioner/guide rails/oil line clips.  Aside

>>         from getting the job done it is of Utmost importance to use

>>         Genuine guides as well as a Genuine tensioner. 

>>

>>         15/40 is good, you may find 20/50 even better.  For off the

>>         shelf oil that still meets the needs of our engines (re,

>>         zinc/phosphate etc..) I've been using Valvoline Racing 20/50.

>>

>>         Shrouding is what happens when you have Large amounts of

>>         deposits forming on your spark plugs..to the point where they

>>         cover the electrode and form an actual cover/shroud over the tip.

>>

>>         Jonathan

>>

>>         Bill Reford wrote:

>>>         Hi Jonathan,

>>>          

>>>         We just did a timing chain (172,00KM)(108,000 Miles) and she

>>>         will be re-assembled shortly, I was interested to see what

>>>         shape the chain/tensioner etc, was in.(fear of the unknown)

>>>          

>>>         The chain showed some wear (minor) the rest of it showed

>>>         very little wear (pleasently surprised, as per the lists

>>>         dialogue over the years) (replaced everything anyway),  I

>>>         believe that the car has had an easy life, judging by the

>>>         engine internals, and by the history that I got when I

>>>         imported the car from Germany in 2000 and the service by me

>>>         since then.

>>>          

>>>         The plugs look good after 15,000 km (since the last change)

>>>         (light brown and with no oil deposits appearing)

>>>          

>>>         Question ... I have a 1990 560 SEL (US) as well, with

>>>         similar mileage, (milage is accurate) with regular service

>>>         by MB since new. Does the timing chain and their components

>>>         wear the same as on a 1995 euro 500 ? should I assume that

>>>         the chain needs attention ? 

>>>          

>>>         I use Castrol 15W40 and change every 5000 KM. (in the winter

>>>         they are both garage queens)

>>>          

>>>         What is shrouding ??

>>>          

>>>         Bill

>>>

>>>             ----- Original Message -----

>>>             *From:* Jonathan <mailto:jhodgman at gmail.com>

>>>             *To:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>>             <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>>             *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:50 PM

>>>             *Subject:* Re: [W126 Coupe] spark plugs

>>>

>>>             Hello Bill,

>>>

>>>             I would just keep an eye on your plugs..If when you

>>>             inspect them you are starting to see deposits form then

>>>             I'd make the switch to the BP5's.  Also, if it gets

>>>             Really bad close the gap down to about .028-.030.   That

>>>             will help prevent shrouding etc.

>>>

>>>             What weight oil are you running?  How many k's since

>>>             your last oil change?

>>>

>>>             Jonathan

>>>

>>>             Bill Reford wrote:

>>>>             Jonathan,

>>>>              

>>>>             At what mileage or kilometer reading should one choose

>>>>             NGK BP5ES (for tired valve guides) ?? My 85 500 SEC

>>>>             euro is starting to puff smoke (1 or 2 seconds) at

>>>>             startup, when sitting overnight only.

>>>>              

>>>>             Bill 

>>>>

>>>>                 ----- Original Message -----

>>>>                 *From:* Jonathan Hodgman <mailto:jhodgman at gmail.com>

>>>>                 *To:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>>>>                 <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>>>                 *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:41 PM

>>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [W126 Coupe] spark plugs

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>                 NGk Bp6ES or 5 ES if you valve guides are getting

>>>>                 tired..

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>                 Jonathna

>>>>

>>>>                 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Gary

>>>>                 <garysalas at yahoo.com <mailto:garysalas at yahoo.com>>

>>>>                 wrote:

>>>>

>>>>                     my store no longer sells the bosch so what's

>>>>                     another plug? 

>>>>

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>>         1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst"

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>>         1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP)

>>         1989 560 SEC Euro ECE *Parts*

>>         1988 300 TE

>>         1989 560 SEC AMG (Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.)

>>         1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V

>>         1986 560 SEL 6.0L 32V AMG

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>     1989 560 SEC Euro ECE *Parts*

>     1988 300 TE

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>     1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V

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