[Jacob-list] LGDs
SKimbro
Sheri at eldoradohoney.com
Wed Aug 2 20:38:39 EDT 2006
You did recommend females. We just sort of ended up with males but our dogs don't chase or attack anything either (llamas, sheep, goats, chickens, cats etc). They're very socialized with people and animals (they co-exist with 5 cats). I have one neutered male and one intact male both about a year old and while I don't consider them "guard" dogs (they'd most likely be guarding the couch!) I again think just by virtue of them being here we're less likely to be bothered by unwanted critters.
Sheri
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda
To: SKimbro ; CARL FOSBRINK ; Debbie Bennett ; Judy Watson
Cc: Jacob-list
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] LGDs
I've only had female Danes (five of them over the last 30 years). I think my post recommended a female Dane. I've known a few intact males over the years. I don't know if it's because they weren't raised the way I raise my dogs, but one of them was a sheep killer. Another was a poor old guy that some idiot had tried to train as an attack dog. There's not much that is more exciting than having a 200 lb dog grab you by the neck :-)
My female Danes (and all my dogs) are trained to not chase chickens, sheep, cats, or rabbits from puppyhood.
Linda
www.patchworkfibers.com
Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn
> Had to jump in here. I believe it was Linda last year who
> mentioned she had Danes, and they got along well with the animals.
> It was part of the reason I ended up with them. 2 males. They
> aren't ever IN the pasture with the animals off leash, but they
> share several common fence lines. While I think the dogs would be
> fine with the animals, I have a couple llamas that would likely try
> and stomp them to death. But like Linda's, my Danes are always
> with me, somewhere in the yard or in the house.
>
> Like I said, we have llamas too. 9 of them. We used to have an
> actual "guard" gelding, but he died this year from Oleander. Now,
> just by virtue of the fact that we have 9 large llamas, I believe
> our chances of coyote or mountain lion attacks are less. We leave
> our ewes, pygmy goats and llamas all out at night in a pasture with
> closed gates and a barn. They usually opt not to use the barn
> except during heavy rains. We've lived this way for almost 2 years
> and while lots of our neighbors have lots animals to mountain lions
> or foxes, we have not. We also have 17 free range hens, and have
> seen foxes in neighboring yards, but never on our property. (They
> go into a locked coop at night though).
>
> I can only assume it's because of the llamas, (and the occasional
> giant barking dog doesn't hurt either!).
>
> Sheri
> Shingle Springs, CA
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Linda
>> To: CARL FOSBRINK ; Debbie Bennett ; Judy Watson Cc: Jacob List
>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] LGDs
>>
>>
>> We use donkeys. I got my first donkey 40 + years ago and I've
>> always really liked them. Dave got his first donkey 14 years ago
>> and I guess we'll always have them. IF we didn't have donkeys, I
>> do believe I'd opt for llamas before dogs. As Carl says, I do
>> not want to offend, and I do know that many people have dogs that
>> do a really great job. Around here I just haven't been too
>> impressed by the LGD's I've been around. By the time you get a
>> fence strong enough to keep them in, the fence is strong enough
>> to keep most anything out. I don't know if all LGD's bark all
>> the time, but the ones in my neighborhood sure do.
>>
>> My sheep have always gotten along pretty well with my Danes. It
>> may be because the Danes are usually with me and they are such
>> calm dogs.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> www.patchworkfibers.com
>> Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I do not intend to offend anyone that has guard dogs and if it
>>> works for them that is great. We have guard llamas and I can
>>> not say enough good things about the job they do. The Jacobs
>>> like them and they guard the Jacobs very well. Woe be to any
>>> dog that gets into the Jacob pasture. The last dog that got
>>> into the pasture was howling to get out and I had to go rescue
>>> him because the ram was bouncing him off the fence.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> Debbie Bennett wrote:
>>>> We use llamas to guard. It amazes me that your Jacobs will
>>>> accept any dog, regardless of breed. My Jacobs beat up dogs:
>>>> the neighbor's pit bulls, the old lab we used to have, a
>>>> couple different herding dogs, etc.
>>>> We now have a German shepherd/hunting dog cross as our family
>>>> dog. The sheep have "accepted" him better than any other dog
>>>> we've tried. The Jacobs beat him up a couple times and he
>>>> pretty much ignores them. He does however, catch up chickens
>>>> when they stray into the garden and has helped us herd a
>>>> couple stray lambs. He does this by cornering and holding the
>>>> stray until we get there (the hunting instincts) and the
>>>> other night, he rescued a chicken - couldn't see in the dark,
>>>> exactly what had gotten a hold of it, but he chased off the
>>>> predator and held onto the chicken, so we were able to put it
>>>> back in the barn relatively unharmed (missing a few
>>>> feathers). Debbie Bennett Feral Fibre Farm Oakland, Oregon On
>>>> Jul 28, 2006, at 5:31 AM, Judy Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Elaina,
>>>>> I think it depends a lot on where you are located and
>>>>> whether you are buying a show dog or not. In Texas it is
>>>>> common to see pups for
>>>>> $150 to $200, but I see "breeding stock" (read city bred &
>>>>> raised) dogs
>>>>> for up to and over $1000. I have 2 Anatolians and 1
>>>>> Anatolian/Great Pyr. mix and am extremely pleased with all
>>>>> of them and would trade any of them for a truck load of
>>>>> gold. I think it is important to try to get
>>>>> pups from actual working parents, and it is best that they
>>>>> be born and grow up around livestock, although this is not
>>>>> always necessary as the best Anatolian I have was a
>>>>> "rescue" and had been kept in isolated in a
>>>>> small cage for the first 5 months of her life before I got
>>>>> her. She bonded right away with my herd. I also would never
>>>>> hesitate to have another cross as long as it is a cross
>>>>> between LGD breeds (and not something else like a herding
>>>>> dog, hunting dog, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> ================================================= Judy
>>>>> Watson 325-938-5403 hm. Rt. 2 Box 287 325-451-0209 cell 330
>>>>> CR 427 Goldthwaite, TX 76844
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I-Diamond-I Ranch www.IDiamondI.com
>>>>> ================================================================= Does
>>>>> anyone know "typical" prices for various breeds of LGD
>>>>> puppy? e.g.
>>>>> Great Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma, etc. A friend asked me
>>>>> to post this question. Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elaina M. Kenyon
>>>>> http://www.avillionfarm.com
>>>>> Shetland sheep, angora goats, angora rabbits
>>>>>
>>>>>
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