[W126 Coupe] M1991 560 SEC value chart

[joe chiappinelli]

Kiddinsmore,

Thanks for the info and quick reply. Nice to see someone who knows the
correct name for the int/ext colors of their car. I've seen 702 called
everything from gold to beige. Your entry makes 137, 1991 560 SECs in my
database. Attached is a chart displaying the values. If my chart is
accurate, an "average" 1991 with 120,000 lists for just north of $10,000.
Your car would appear to have qualities that put it well above average and
your estimate of value appears very accurate. There are a couple of cars
with well over 120k with asking prices around $20,000. These must be truly
exceptional cars or unrealistic asking prices.

Regards,
J.Chip

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:11 AM, <kddinsmore at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Hi Joe the vin# wdbca45e1ma599124 the color is 702 smoke silver int. Is

> 265 creme beige w/ 471 option asr I have the window sticker It came from

> Foreign Motors West in Natick Ma. I live 2 towns over. It has 120k w/ no

> accidents 2 nd owner I would value it at $13-15k It won germanfest 2011 1st

> place. Very nice car!!

>

> joe chiappinelli <joe.chiappinelli at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >Kiddinsmore,

> >

> >If you would care to share your VIN #, int& ext color, location and the

> >price you would ask IF you were to put it up for sale, I'll add you to my

> >value tracking database.

> >

> >J.Chip

> >

> >On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, <kddinsmore at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> >> I do have 1991 w/ 120k no rust no wrecks Im the 2nd owner!!!!!

> >>

> >> Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at me.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> >See conversation below….

> >> >

> >> >Cheers,

> >> >Gerry

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:15 AM, J.Chip wrote:

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> I've often been somewhat confused by the production numbers I've seen

> >> >> listed from various sources. While I'm fairly confident that the

> 2,138

> >> >> figure for 1991 is accurate, I'm not sure if the number represents

> >> >> worldwide production or just North American. If North American, how

> many

> >> >> were built solely for the US market? And the number produced may not

> >> >> accurately reflect the number sold. Your source seems to indicate

> 676 of

> >> >> the 2,138 produced were sold in the US. A 2007 posting on Benzworld (

> >> >>

> >>

> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1333987-production-numbers-560-sec.html

> >> )

> >> >> contains a document which appears to indicate 1,806 model year 1991

> SECs

> >> >> were sold in the US market. I guess I remain confused.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >It's definitive that 2,138 SECs were produced worldwide for 1991 and

> ~676

> >> were US market imports.

> >> >

> >> >The 1,806 US production number for 1991 models from Benzworld is

> >> definitely erroneous.  I can definitely tell you that MB would not have

> >> imported 84.45% of all SECs produced that year to the US market.  There

> was

> >> still quite a large market for other countries (Germany among them) that

> >> would have soaked up far more than 15% of that year's overall

> production.

> >>  The cars were somewhat in demand as it was the last year of the model,

> and

> >> you can see this in the figures I posted, whereby more than 500 SECs

> were

> >> actually sold in calendar year 1992 !!

> >> >

> >> >BTW the second set of data is from the SL Market Letter.  Generally

> John

> >> Olson does his homework and the figures are close enough to the first

> set I

> >> have (which were independently obtained) that I put good trust in

> Olson's

> >> data.

> >> >

> >> >And this leads to another problem I have with Benzworld.org. Quite a

> bit

> >> of the "information" that is found there is false and/or erroneous.

> Often

> >> times it's someone talking out of their a$$ with no proof to back up

> their

> >> claims. Just sayin'.   IMHO that forum has very very little credibility

> >> these days, and over the past few years many of the more knowledgeable

> >> folks have either left on their own discretion or have been banned for

> >> calling out the BS posted by others.  [ As you can tell I have strong

> >> opinions about Benzworld and those who post crap information there as

> >> Gospel. ]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> Back to my value question. Let's say only 676 WERE sold in the US in

> >> 1991.

> >> >> I have documented 137 of those 676 by VIN # in my database. Let's

> also

> >> say

> >> >> that the examples out there that have the best chance of reaching

> some

> >> >> level of collector status would need to be low mileage cars in

> >> excellent,

> >> >> original condition. Let's further say that such cars would need to

> have

> >> >> 100,000 miles or less since high mileage examples would be more

> likely

> >> to

> >> >> need some work and these cars would be expensive to restore to

> >> >> "collectible" condition.  Of the 137 currently in my database, only

> 40,

> >> or

> >> >> 29% have less than 100,000 miles. If my database is a fair

> >> representation,

> >> >> that would mean that there are less that 200 1991 560 SECs remaining

> >> with

> >> >> the potential to reach collectible status. Of course this is all very

> >> >> unscientific but 200 is a small enough figure to drive prices up for

> >> >> collectors seeking a prime example of the last and best model year

> for

> >> >> these coupes.

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >No arguments in general with what you are saying. It's very similar to

> >> the type of reasoning have used for the 500E market.  In the absence of

> >> hard data you have to keep things general, but the data you have

> collected

> >> I think can definitely lead to some reasonable conclusions.  There is no

> >> question that prices for the best cars (Condition 1 and 2) are headed

> >> upward -- this has always been a prime tenet of John Olson with regard

> to

> >> his philosophy on collectables (i.e. only go for 1 and 2 cars, and

> forget

> >> the rest as it's prohibitive to restore them).

> >> >

> >> >The only comment I'd have is that mileage is a general/directional

> >> indicator of condition, but not always true. We've all seen SECs with

> 75K

> >> miles on them that are in far worse condition than those with 200K on

> them.

> >>  That's certainly more the exception than the rule, so your assumptions

> are

> >> the correct path to proceed.

> >> >

> >> >You can see a PDF copy of the SL Market Letter article on SECs

> (including

> >> price guide) here:

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?787-SL-Market-Letter-article-on-C126-SECs

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> BTW...I believe it was last year sometime that the Mercedes Claasic

> >> Center

> >> >> officially recognized the 126 coupe as a "young classic", a

> distinction

> >> >> indicating future collectible status.

> >> >

> >> >That is correct. I have posted MB's press documents pertaining to this

> in

> >> the SEC sub-board on my 500E site.  MB's "Young Classic" designation

> though

> >> is something they bestow on platforms in general once they reach a

> certain

> >> age.  I've also seen 126 sedan, 201, 123 and 124s designated "Young

> >> Classic" status, yet very very few models from those chassis are

> >> collectable.

> >> >

> >> >http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?682-The-126-coupe

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Here's an example where they designated the W124 chassis as a "Young

> >> Classic":

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?427-Daimler-declares-W124-an-official-quot-Young-Classic-quot

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >The MB Coupes Website!

> >> >W126 SEC Mailing List

> >> >Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> >> The MB Coupes Website!

> >> W126 SEC Mailing List

> >> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> >

> >The MB Coupes Website!

> >W126 SEC Mailing List

> >Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>

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