[W126 Coupe] Fwd: So, I need a M117.968 Block andPistons - www.mercedesengines.netopinions?

[Henric]

Never was questioning your machinist's experience or qualifications.

-h


On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote:


> I simply knew it was more then one person, how many exactly, never  

> had need to find out.

>

> That's why I so very much value my Machinists shop, Everything is in  

> house as far as machining goes.  And yes, last time I was there he  

> was getting a Gullwing engine ready for a fellow in CA who was  

> headed to Goodwood. He recently finished a 6L quad cam M117 top to  

> bottom and he's currently machining two sets of my quad cam M117  

> heads, one set which was Badly damaged and is looking As New last  

> trip I took.

>

> I'd love to have experience with one of Metric's engines that was  

> first rate/no complaints...till then, again, I can only comment on  

> that which I have personally dealt with.

>

> That said, people can utilize whom ever they feel comfortable with  

> and I hope said choice meets with their satisfaction over the  

> duration.

>

> Jonathan

>

>

>

>

> On 11/6/

>

> 2010 12:59 PM, Henric wrote:

>>

>>> Not sure what general impression of MM is but it's a three man  

>>> outfit, very accessible.   Some of their machine work is  

>>> outsourced to individuals of equal experience but all of the  

>>> building is in house.  Though Mike at Metrics has two assistants,  

>>> his name goes on every motor built.

>>>

>>> Re one man, one engine... coincidently they currently have one  

>>> man's motor on the bench to determine why it detonated.  Their  

>>> report will be used by Mercedes Benz NA to determine the fate of  

>>> that man. ;)

>>>

>>> Lastly, they turn out product far exceeding "decent."  Their  

>>> clients include concourse winning MB owners down to humble little  

>>> M117 owners as myself.

>>>

>>> Good luck with your transplant regardless of choice.

>>>

>>> -h

>>>

>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 9:17 AM, jhodgman at gmail.com wrote:

>>>

>>>> The fellow who does my machining and when things are busy, builds  

>>>> my short blocks has been specializing in Mercedes engines for 35  

>>>> years.  Every Mercedes dealer in the tri state area uses him  

>>>> exclusively.

>>>>

>>>> He is a one man outfit.  A little like another subsidiary of mb  

>>>> that I know...one man one engine.  You deal directly with the  

>>>> person who is doing the work.  I like that.

>>>>

>>>> I have encountered two metric rebuilt engines...so I can only  

>>>> comment on those engines.  I'm sure they have turned out a decent  

>>>> product or they wouldn't still be in business.  That said, I  

>>>> don't see me utilizing their services anytime soon.

>>>>

>>>> Jonathan

>>>>

>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

>>>>

>>>> ----- Reply message -----

>>>> From: "Henric" <48hp at earthlink.net>

>>>> Date: Sat, Nov 6, 2010 12:11 pm

>>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] So, I need a M117.968 Block andPistons - www.mercedesengines.netopinions 

>>>> ?

>>>> To: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>, "Mercedes Coupes  

>>>> Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>>>

>>>> Bruce,

>>>>

>>>> Thanks for chiming in.  No, I do not work for Metrics. Yes, I have

>>>> worked with them on several projects, directly and indirectly for  

>>>> over

>>>> a year now.  Top notch, incredibly fluent and knowledgeable of just

>>>> about every post-war MB motor produced.  Their facility is  

>>>> nothing but

>>>> engines, top to bottom, period.  That is my point.

>>>>

>>>> The manner in which the examples were phrased was loaded, I'm  

>>>> sorry.

>>>>

>>>> -h

>>>>

>>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bruce Mendel wrote:

>>>>

>>>> > Henric, do you work for Metric? Or do you have personal  

>>>> experience

>>>> > with their engine rebuilds? If the former, reciting their  

>>>> marketing

>>>> > is not useful for people on the list considering working with  

>>>> them.

>>>> > If the latter, please list your experience(s), as that would be

>>>> > valuable information to share.

>>>> >

>>>> > Jonathan did not disparage the company, he listed specific  

>>>> examples

>>>> > of problems he experienced with engines rebuilt by Metric. That  

>>>> is

>>>> > very valuable information.

>>>> >

>>>> > It does not make them a terrible company, but it does add some  

>>>> data

>>>> > points for someone shopping to consider.

>>>> >

>>>> > Bruce

>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henric" <48hp at earthlink.net>

>>>> > To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>; "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>>>> > >

>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:29 AM

>>>> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] So, I need a M117.968 Block  

>>>> andPistons - www.mercedesengines.netopinions

>>>> > ?

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >> Metric Motors is one of the most highly qualified, refined  

>>>> Mercedes

>>>> >> Benz engine rebuilders in the country, hands down. Day in, day  

>>>> out

>>>> >> they only build one thing, the very best MB engines, nothing  

>>>> less.

>>>> >> Their tolerances exceed that of Mercedes Benz.  MB dealers, the

>>>> >> military and private sectors from across the country send their

>>>> >> motors to Metric for rebuilding.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> So please use caution when  comparing a  service facility to a

>>>> >> premiere Mercedes only engine rebuilder.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Kind Regards,

>>>> >> Henric

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone

>>>> >>

>>>> >> On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Jonathan Hodgman

>>>> >> <blueridgemb at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> >>

>>>> >>> Really?  The factory doesn't rebuild M117's anymore, hasn't for

>>>> >>> years.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> And even @ their cost, all the parts and machining

>>>> >>> required...there is no way they could rebuild the whole engine

>>>> >>> that cheaply.  We're just finishing up the 3rd 5.6 in the last

>>>> >>> couple of months and a dead on Stock rebuild (albeit  

>>>> blueprinted)

>>>> >>> is about 2X as much.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> My experience w/ Metric thus far, one engine ate a cam in about

>>>> >>> 30K (m117) the other ate a piston (OM617).  They were also

>>>> >>> disappointing in the engine that ate said cam was supposed to  

>>>> be a

>>>> >>> 300HP/ECE varient, but they sent it over w/ nothing more then  

>>>> HC

>>>> >>> pistons and it barely made 10hp more then my US engine set up

>>>> >>> similarly!  Thanks but no thanks :-/

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Shame I just used my last 117.968 bottom end for an AMG 190

>>>> >>> widebody project that we have here.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Jonathan

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> On 11/6/2010 9:38 AM, Henry Viveiros wrote:

>>>> >>>> The Mercedes dealership in Grants Pass, OR told me that a  

>>>> factory

>>>> >>>> rebuilt

>>>> >>>> engine for my 1991 560 SEC would cost about $5,000.

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>

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>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> --

>>>> >>> Jonathan Hodgman

>>>> >>> Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East

>>>> >>> http://www.blueridgemb.com

>>>> >>> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.

>>>> >>> (404)805-1357

>>>> >>> 96 S600 Euro

>>>> >>> 94 E420 (Parts)

>>>> >>> 93 300SE

>>>> >>> 93 500E (Parts)

>>>> >>> 91 E300D 2.5

>>>> >>> 91 560SEC ECE

>>>> >>> 91 500SL Jap Spec

>>>> >>> 91 560SEC 226/271

>>>> >>> 90 300SL

>>>> >>> 88 300E AMG

>>>> >>> 89 190E 2.6 5sp

>>>> >>> 89 300TE

>>>> >>> 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (Parts)

>>>> >>> 89 560SEC AMG 6.0L SOHC Solid Lifter

>>>> >>> 87 AMG Hammer Wagon 6.0L 32V

>>>> >>> 87 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V

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>>>> >>>

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>>>

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> -- 

> Jonathan Hodgman

> Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East

> http://www.blueridgemb.com

> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.

> (404)805-1357

> 96 S600 Euro

> 94 E420 (Parts)

> 93 300SE

> 93 500E (Parts)

> 91 E300D 2.5

> 91 560SEC ECE

> 91 500SL Jap Spec

> 91 560SEC 226/271

> 90 300SL

> 88 300E AMG

> 89 190E 2.6 5sp

> 89 300TE

> 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (Parts)

> 89 560SEC AMG 6.0L SOHC Solid Lifter

> 87 AMG Hammer Wagon 6.0L 32V

> 87 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V

> 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V

> 84 300CD 304K and still going!

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

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