[W126 Coupe] 1988 560 SEC pricing question
johnfolger
johnfolger at earthlink.net
Tue Jun 30 13:00:50 EDT 2009
Good Morning MB team,
Unfortunately, I have to move again, so I would appreciate a price opinion
on this car. In two years, I have gone over everything, and dearly paid the
price-I didn't know about Jonathan then!!
Some of the basics, new motor mounts, valve seals, transmission, various
suspension components, too much to think about on AC, compressor, control
module, drier, some vacuum modules, belts and hoses-I definitely overpaid
for this-but I really do love the car! Here is the ad, would appreciate
advice or comments. I do have pictures.
Thanks
John Folger
Over $12,000 restoration investment!!! Asking 9600 OBO!!! If you ever wanted
to own one of the legendary SEC 2 door coupes, than here it is! This 180 MPH
screamer is Anthracite Grey (almost Black) with color matched BBS wheels and
painted out lower body panels so everything matches. With the roof open and
the windows down, you almost have a convertible, but with sedan safety. No
car handles the Autobahn better that this. Mercedes only built 7400 of these
in that year, so she's pretty rare! Standard equipment is the injected
560-the largest and fastest engine of its day! Automatic 5 speed
Transmission is rebuilt, new brakes all around, all systems have been gone
over and everything works except the seat belt presenters. I haven't
finished the interior-I am planning for front seats, headline, carpet and
dash-about $900 bucks gets that done. This car has a later radio with trunk
mounted 6 CD changer. You will certainly run out of nerve before this car
runs out of top end!! She will blow almost anything off the road! The car is
a 1988 with only 125K miles, just enough to break her in!!
I have to move and no place to keep her ;o( I would like to see her adopted
to a good home.
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American Community Development
John D. Folger
johnfolger at earthlink.net
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
fax: (763)-431-1680
mobile: (727)-735-7777
americancommunitydevelopment.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:45:24 -0500
From: Doug Gavin <dlg1936 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 36, Radiator
/ cooling issue
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Hi folks, I would like opinions please. On my '90 SEC my temp gauge is
hitting the 100 degree mark and a little above in this 100 degree F. heat in
Houston TX. traffic. Once I get rolling it drops back to just a little more
than the 80 degree mark. Everything seems to be up to snuff but It has been
recommended that the radiator be replaced.
1. Do you agree?
2. if so, is there a good source for a replacement radiator among this
group?
Thanks,
Doug in Houston
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> 1. Re: brake question (Gary)
> 2. Re: brake question (samsisic at comcast.net)
> 3. need a new repair shop (Thomas Oelsner)
> 4. Re: need a new repair shop (Bruce Mendel)
> 5. Re: need a new repair shop (shinzbox at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> thanks?
> ?
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Mike R. <mramay at att.biz> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike R. <mramay at att.biz>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:02 PM
>
>
>
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>
>
> You don't have to remove the calipers, only the brake pad. Push the brake
> pads away from the rotor, pull the two steel pins, gently remove the white
> sensor wires and then the flat metal spring holding the pads in the
> calipers, then just slide the pads out. They will come out.
> ?
> Clean the back of the pads (brake cleaner or MEK) and the piston face,
then
> smear the goop on the back of the pad.
> ?
> Later,
> Mike R
> ?
>
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> On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:07 PM
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> Subject: [W126 Coupe] brake question
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> i put some new brakes and was in a hurry, so i didn't bother with sqeal
> goop.? now there are squealing.? my ?? is because the? brakes are brand
new
> and they are snug against the rotor is there an easy way to remove the
> calipers??
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:09 -0400
> From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>,????????"Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
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> C'mon, what's the worst that can happen if you rush the brake job?
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> ??To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> ??Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:03 PM
> ??Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
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> ??live and learn! ?Time to pull the pads and start over. ?The benz stuff
is
> good, as is the CRC spray on goo.
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> ??NEVER hurry/rush when doing brakes, FYI.
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> ??Gary wrote:
> ?? ? ? ? ?i put some new brakes and was in a hurry, so i didn't bother
with
> sqeal goop. ?now there are squealing. ?my ? ?is because the ?brakes are
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:29:17 -0700
> From: "Thomas Oelsner" <toelsner at comcast.net>
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
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> Hi Everybody
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the Bay Area.
I
> now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been seriously
> disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the local MB
> shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops and many
> hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
seals),
> the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last place charged me
> hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few adjustments.
> They then proclaimed that the check engine light that came on at low
speeds
> was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough at startup and
> might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts might be a source
of
> the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is coming on again and
the
> idle is like it was before they worked on it. They charged hundreds to
work
> on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot air when the A/C is on. I
am
> fed up and disgu
> sted with these "mechanics" who supposedly understand these cars, but
> don't. Does anybody know of a MB repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose
or
> Milpitas; alternatively Mountain View) where they know what the heck they
> are doing besides being able to do standard work that any mechanic could
do
> on the most basic of cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually
> worked for MB when these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who
> really understood them. Thanks.
>
> Tom Oelsner
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:40:17 -0400
> From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
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> Try DM Motors in Palo Alto.
>
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Oelsner
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:29 PM
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
>
> Hi Everybody
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the Bay Area.
> I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been seriously
> disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the local MB
> shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops and many
> hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
seals),
> the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last place charged me
> hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few adjustments.
> They then proclaimed that the check engine light that came on at low
speeds
> was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough at startup and
> might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts might be a source
of
> the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is coming on again and
the
> idle is like it was before they worked on it. They charged hundreds to
work
> on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot air when the A/C is on. I
am
> fed up and dis
> gusted with these "mechanics" who supposedly understand these cars, but
> don't. Does anybody know of a MB repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose
or
> Milpitas; alternatively Mountain View) where they know what the heck they
> are doing besides being able to do standard work that any mechanic could
do
> on the most basic of cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually
> worked for MB when these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who
> really understood them. Thanks.
>
> Tom Oelsner
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:28:15 -0400
> From: shinzbox at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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> Tom,
> I live in LA and I want to avoid the shop you took your car to. What was
> the name of and where was it?
> Thanks
> Shin
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Oelsner <toelsner at comcast.net>
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 7:29 pm
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Hi Everybody
>
>
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am
> back in the Bay Area. I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E.
> I've
> been seriously disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA
> and the
> local MB shop in the town?where I?lived. For example, after multiple
> shops and many?hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new
> valve guide seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The
> last
> place charged me?hundreds of dollars to?replace the EGR valve, and
> make a few adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine light
> that
> came on at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit
> rough
> at startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts
might
> be a
> source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is coming on
> again
> and the idle is like it was before they worked on it.?They charged
hundreds
> to work on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot air when the A/C
is
> on.
> I am?fed up and?disgusted?with these "mechanics"?who
> supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody know of a MB
> repair
> shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively Mountain View)
> where
> they know what the heck they are doing besides being able to do standard
> work
> that any mechanic could do on the most basic of cars? I think I need to
> find
> somebody who?actually worked for?MB?when these cars were made, or
> was trained by somebody who really understood them. Thanks.
>
>
> ?
>
>
> Tom Oelsner?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:00:44 -0700
> From: Jim Ham <jimham at porcine.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
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> Paul's Mercedes Werkstat
> 939 Terra Bella Ave
> Mountain View, CA 94043
> 650-694-4926
>
> My car is an '85 500SEC. Paul has done all the service on it for two of
the
> three owners during it's life. So far so good - He's not inexpensive, but
> as far as I know he has never made a wrong diagnosis nor repaired
something
> that didn't need attention. Up until a few years ago he had a partner and
> called the shop Automotor and Sport on San Antonio Rd, Palo Alto. (or was
> it Automotor ut Spor?). He's a Swiss-German and I believe that his early
> training was in Switzerland. He took car of my 230T before I got the
> 500SEC.
>
> Down side: don't expect a rigorous schedule.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Ham
>
>
> At 07:29 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
> >Hi Everybody
> >After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the Bay Area.
> >I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been seriously
> >disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the local
MB
> >shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops and
many
> >hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
> >seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last place
> >charged me hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few
> >adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine light that came
on
> >at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough
at
> >startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts might
> >be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is coming
> >on again and the idle is like it was before they worked on it. They
> >charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot
> >air when the A/C is on. I am fed up and disgusted with these "mechanics"
> >who supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody know of a
MB
> >repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively
> >Mountain View) where they know what the heck they are doing besides being
> >able to do standard work that any mechanic could do on the most basic of
> >cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually worked for MB when
> >these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who really understood
> >them. Thanks.
> >
> >Tom Oelsner
> >The MB Coupes Website!
> >W126 SEC Mailing List
> >Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>
> Porcine Associates
> +1.650.326.2669
> www.porcine.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:10:19 -0700
> From: "Thomas Oelsner" <toelsner at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Thanks Jim
> Do you happen to know his hourly rate? They all seem to be within a few
> dollars of each other at around $90/hr.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ham" <jimham at porcine.com>
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
>
> > Paul's Mercedes Werkstat
> > 939 Terra Bella Ave
> > Mountain View, CA 94043
> > 650-694-4926
> >
> > My car is an '85 500SEC. Paul has done all the service on it for two of
> > the three owners during it's life. So far so good - He's not
inexpensive,
> > but as far as I know he has never made a wrong diagnosis nor repaired
> > something that didn't need attention. Up until a few years ago he had a
> > partner and called the shop Automotor and Sport on San Antonio Rd, Palo
> > Alto. (or was it Automotor ut Spor?). He's a Swiss-German and I believe
> > that his early training was in Switzerland. He took car of my 230T
before
> > I got the 500SEC.
> >
> > Down side: don't expect a rigorous schedule.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim Ham
> >
> >
> > At 07:29 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
> >>Hi Everybody
> >>After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the Bay
Area.
> >>I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been seriously
> >>disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the local
> MB
> >>shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops and
> many
> >>hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
> >>seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last place
> >>charged me hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few
> >>adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine light that came
> on
> >>at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough
> at
> >>startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts might
> >>be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is
coming
> >>on again and the idle is like it was before they worked on it. They
> >>charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot
> >>air when the A/C is on. I am fed up and disgusted with these "mechanics"
> >>who supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody know of a
> MB
> >>repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively
> >>Mountain View) where they know what the heck they are doing besides
being
> >>able to do standard work that any mechanic could do on the most basic of
> >>cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually worked for MB when
> >>these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who really understood
> >>them. Thanks.
> >>
> >>Tom Oelsner
> >>The MB Coupes Website!
> >>W126 SEC Mailing List
> >>Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
> >
> > Porcine Associates
> > +1.650.326.2669
> > www.porcine.com
> > The MB Coupes Website!
> > W126 SEC Mailing List
> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
> >
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:53:23 -0400
From: Jay Hirsch <J.Hirsch at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 36, Radiator
/ cooling issue
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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stay out of traffic
100 out of 100 is a good batting average.
It is not normal to live 100 degree heat...was in Houston and OKC
three days ago
leave the car be.
keep cruisin and move to a cooler place
On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Doug Gavin wrote:
> Hi folks, I would like opinions please. On my '90 SEC my temp
> gauge is hitting the 100 degree mark and a little above in this 100
> degree F. heat in Houston TX. traffic. Once I get rolling it drops
> back to just a little more than the 80 degree mark. Everything
> seems to be up to snuff but It has been recommended that the
> radiator be replaced.
>
> 1. Do you agree?
> 2. if so, is there a good source for a replacement radiator among
> this group?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug in Houston
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM, <mbcoupes-request at mbcoupes.com>
> wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: brake question (Gary)
> 2. Re: brake question (samsisic at comcast.net)
> 3. need a new repair shop (Thomas Oelsner)
> 4. Re: need a new repair shop (Bruce Mendel)
> 5. Re: need a new repair shop (shinzbox at aol.com)
> 6. Re: need a new repair shop (Jim Ham)
> 7. Re: need a new repair shop (Thomas Oelsner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Message-ID: <160555.51432.qm at web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> thanks?
> ?
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Mike R. <mramay at att.biz> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike R. <mramay at att.biz>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:02 PM
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> You don't have to remove the calipers, only the brake pad. Push the
> brake pads away from the rotor, pull the two steel pins, gently
> remove the white sensor wires and then the flat metal spring
> holding the pads in the calipers, then just slide the pads out.
> They will come out.
> ?
> Clean the back of the pads (brake cleaner or MEK) and the piston
> face, then smear the goop on the back of the pad.
> ?
> Later,
> Mike R
> ?
>
> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-
> bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:07 PM
> To: mbcoupes
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> ?
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> i put some new brakes and was in a hurry, so i didn't bother with
> sqeal goop.? now there are squealing.? my ?? is because the? brakes
> are brand new and they are snug against the rotor is there an easy
> way to remove the calipers??
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:11:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: samsisic at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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> ;-)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:09 -0400
> From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
> To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>,????????"Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
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> C'mon, what's the worst that can happen if you rush the brake job?
>
> B
> ??----- Original Message -----
> ??From: Jonathan Hodgman
> ??To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> ??Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:03 PM
> ??Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] brake question
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> ??live and learn! ?Time to pull the pads and start over. ?The benz
> stuff is good, as is the CRC spray on goo.
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> ??NEVER hurry/rush when doing brakes, FYI.
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> ??Gary wrote:
> ?? ? ? ? ?i put some new brakes and was in a hurry, so i didn't
> bother with sqeal goop. ?now there are squealing. ?my ? ?is because
> the ?brakes are brand new and they are snug against the rotor is
> there an easy way to remove the calipers? ?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:29:17 -0700
> From: "Thomas Oelsner" <toelsner at comcast.net>
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Hi Everybody
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the Bay
> Area. I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been
> seriously disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA
> and the local MB shop in the town where I lived. For example, after
> multiple shops and many hundreds of dollars (in addition to the
> headwork and new valve guide seals), the 560 still idles more
> roughly than it should. The last place charged me hundreds of
> dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few adjustments. They
> then proclaimed that the check engine light that came on at low
> speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough at
> startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts
> might be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check
> light is coming on again and the idle is like it was before they
> worked on it. They charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it
> still occasionally blows hot air when the A/C is on. I am fed up
> and disgu
> sted with these "mechanics" who supposedly understand these cars,
> but don't. Does anybody know of a MB repair shop in Silicon Valley
> (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively Mountain View) where they know
> what the heck they are doing besides being able to do standard work
> that any mechanic could do on the most basic of cars? I think I
> need to find somebody who actually worked for MB when these cars
> were made, or was trained by somebody who really understood them.
> Thanks.
>
> Tom Oelsner
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:40:17 -0400
> From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Try DM Motors in Palo Alto.
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> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Oelsner
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:29 PM
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
>
> Hi Everybody
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the
> Bay Area. I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've
> been seriously disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car
> in LA and the local MB shop in the town where I lived. For example,
> after multiple shops and many hundreds of dollars (in addition to
> the headwork and new valve guide seals), the 560 still idles more
> roughly than it should. The last place charged me hundreds of
> dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make a few adjustments. They
> then proclaimed that the check engine light that came on at low
> speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit rough at
> startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts
> might be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check
> light is coming on again and the idle is like it was before they
> worked on it. They charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it
> still occasionally blows hot air when the A/C is on. I am fed up
> and dis
> gusted with these "mechanics" who supposedly understand these
> cars, but don't. Does anybody know of a MB repair shop in Silicon
> Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively Mountain View) where
> they know what the heck they are doing besides being able to do
> standard work that any mechanic could do on the most basic of cars?
> I think I need to find somebody who actually worked for MB when
> these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who really
> understood them. Thanks.
>
> Tom Oelsner
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:28:15 -0400
> From: shinzbox at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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> Tom,
> I live in LA and I want to avoid the shop you took your car to.
> What was the name of and where was it?
> Thanks
> Shin
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Oelsner <toelsner at comcast.net>
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 7:29 pm
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
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>
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>
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>
> Hi Everybody
>
>
> After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am
> back in the Bay Area. I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and
> 190E. I've
> been seriously disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car
> in LA and the
> local MB shop in the town?where I?lived. For example, after multiple
> shops and many?hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and
> new
> valve guide seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it
> should. The last
> place charged me?hundreds of dollars to?replace the EGR valve, and
> make a few adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine
> light that
> came on at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was
> a bit rough
> at startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor
> mounts might be a
> source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is
> coming on again
> and the idle is like it was before they worked on it.?They charged
> hundreds
> to work on the 190E and it still occasionally blows hot air when
> the A/C is on.
> I am?fed up and?disgusted?with these "mechanics"?who
> supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody know of a
> MB repair
> shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively
> Mountain View) where
> they know what the heck they are doing besides being able to do
> standard work
> that any mechanic could do on the most basic of cars? I think I
> need to find
> somebody who?actually worked for?MB?when these cars were made, or
> was trained by somebody who really understood them. Thanks.
>
>
> ?
>
>
> Tom Oelsner?
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>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:00:44 -0700
> From: Jim Ham <jimham at porcine.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090625073939.01ce8978 at porcine.com>
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> Paul's Mercedes Werkstat
> 939 Terra Bella Ave
> Mountain View, CA 94043
> 650-694-4926
>
> My car is an '85 500SEC. Paul has done all the service on it for
> two of the
> three owners during it's life. So far so good - He's not
> inexpensive, but
> as far as I know he has never made a wrong diagnosis nor repaired
> something
> that didn't need attention. Up until a few years ago he had a
> partner and
> called the shop Automotor and Sport on San Antonio Rd, Palo Alto.
> (or was
> it Automotor ut Spor?). He's a Swiss-German and I believe that his
> early
> training was in Switzerland. He took car of my 230T before I got
> the 500SEC.
>
> Down side: don't expect a rigorous schedule.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Ham
>
>
> At 07:29 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
> >Hi Everybody
> >After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the
> Bay Area.
> >I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been seriously
> >disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the
> local MB
> >shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops
> and many
> >hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
> >seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last
> place
> >charged me hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make
> a few
> >adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine light that
> came on
> >at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit
> rough at
> >startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor mounts
> might
> >be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light is
> coming
> >on again and the idle is like it was before they worked on it. They
> >charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it still occasionally
> blows hot
> >air when the A/C is on. I am fed up and disgusted with these
> "mechanics"
> >who supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody know
> of a MB
> >repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively
> >Mountain View) where they know what the heck they are doing
> besides being
> >able to do standard work that any mechanic could do on the most
> basic of
> >cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually worked for MB when
> >these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who really
> understood
> >them. Thanks.
> >
> >Tom Oelsner
> >The MB Coupes Website!
> >W126 SEC Mailing List
> >Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>
> Porcine Associates
> +1.650.326.2669
> www.porcine.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:10:19 -0700
> From: "Thomas Oelsner" <toelsner at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Message-ID: <83A7B04162C44AB1BC0683AAB4BA57BF at toelsnerlaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Thanks Jim
> Do you happen to know his hourly rate? They all seem to be within a
> few
> dollars of each other at around $90/hr.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ham" <jimham at porcine.com>
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] need a new repair shop
>
>
> > Paul's Mercedes Werkstat
> > 939 Terra Bella Ave
> > Mountain View, CA 94043
> > 650-694-4926
> >
> > My car is an '85 500SEC. Paul has done all the service on it for
> two of
> > the three owners during it's life. So far so good - He's not
> inexpensive,
> > but as far as I know he has never made a wrong diagnosis nor
> repaired
> > something that didn't need attention. Up until a few years ago he
> had a
> > partner and called the shop Automotor and Sport on San Antonio
> Rd, Palo
> > Alto. (or was it Automotor ut Spor?). He's a Swiss-German and I
> believe
> > that his early training was in Switzerland. He took car of my
> 230T before
> > I got the 500SEC.
> >
> > Down side: don't expect a rigorous schedule.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim Ham
> >
> >
> > At 07:29 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:
> >>Hi Everybody
> >>After 3 years on the California Central Coast, I am back in the
> Bay Area.
> >>I now need a new mechanic for my '90SEC and 190E. I've been
> seriously
> >>disappointed in everybody who has worked on the car in LA and the
> local MB
> >>shop in the town where I lived. For example, after multiple shops
> and many
> >>hundreds of dollars (in addition to the headwork and new valve guide
> >>seals), the 560 still idles more roughly than it should. The last
> place
> >>charged me hundreds of dollars to replace the EGR valve, and make
> a few
> >>adjustments. They then proclaimed that the check engine light
> that came on
> >>at low speeds was handled, idle was better, although it was a bit
> rough at
> >>startup and might be a little rough because maybe the motor
> mounts might
> >>be a source of the idle being a bit rough. Well the check light
> is coming
> >>on again and the idle is like it was before they worked on it. They
> >>charged hundreds to work on the 190E and it still occasionally
> blows hot
> >>air when the A/C is on. I am fed up and disgusted with these
> "mechanics"
> >>who supposedly understand these cars, but don't. Does anybody
> know of a MB
> >>repair shop in Silicon Valley (San Jose or Milpitas; alternatively
> >>Mountain View) where they know what the heck they are doing
> besides being
> >>able to do standard work that any mechanic could do on the most
> basic of
> >>cars? I think I need to find somebody who actually worked for MB
> when
> >>these cars were made, or was trained by somebody who really
> understood
> >>them. Thanks.
> >>
> >>Tom Oelsner
> >>The MB Coupes Website!
> >>W126 SEC Mailing List
> >>Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
> >
> > Porcine Associates
> > +1.650.326.2669
> > www.porcine.com
> > The MB Coupes Website!
> > W126 SEC Mailing List
> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
> >
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:28:53 -0700
From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 36, Radiator
/ cooling issue
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Jay is funny!! Correct too, kinda. I used to live in Detroit and Cleveland -
cooler but REALLY sucks in the wintertime.
100 at 100 is normal. My two W126's would follow the exterior temperature -
if the outside was 90F, the engine was 90C, etc. In a Vegas summer - 105F
begat 105C on the engines. Then I put on dual electric fans in place of the
viscous clutch on the 560SEL (and a 140-amp alternator) and that engine
stays much closer to 80C and my AC doesn't start getting warm sitting at a
traffic light. But that's another story.
I took my radiator out (easy DIY) and down to the local radiator shop that
said they could disassemble/reassemble a Behr plastic tanked/aluminum
radiator. For $94, they rodded it out, flushed it, resealed it, and pressure
tested it. Works like new.
Later,
Mike in Las Vegas
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Gavin
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:45 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 36, Radiator /
cooling issue
Hi folks, I would like opinions please. On my '90 SEC my temp gauge is
hitting the 100 degree mark and a little above in this 100 degree F. heat in
Houston TX. traffic. Once I get rolling it drops back to just a little more
than the 80 degree mark. Everything seems to be up to snuff but It has been
recommended that the radiator be replaced.
1. Do you agree?
2. if so, is there a good source for a replacement radiator among this
group?
Thanks,
Doug in Houston
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