[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 18

Mark La Rochelle mark at burkhardtleitnerinc.com
Thu Jun 18 13:22:19 EDT 2009

Thanks everyone for the advice on the brakes. Especially good to know about
the Brembo's as I was considering them.

Mark

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1. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (PaulLoui at comcast.net)
2. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (Bruce Mendel)
3. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (PaulLoui at comcast.net)
4. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (Jonathan Hodgman)
5. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (Jay Hirsch)
6. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (PaulLoui at comcast.net)
7. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (Jonathan Hodgman)
8. Re: Rotors and Pads Upgrade (Dean Slone)
9. Re: Suspect OVP relay (update) (Iain Gunn)
10. Re: Suspect OVP relay (update) (Jonathan Hodgman)
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:16:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: PaulLoui at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
To: jhodgman at gmail.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
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I just completed a complete brake system over haul on my 500sec. At first I
got the slotted/ drilled Brembo rotors but ended up replacing them. They
provide great stopping power if you are racing on a track. But for everyday
driving they are way too hard on whatever kind of pad you decide to get.?As
for ceramic pads they are supposed to create less brake dust than metallic
pads. As for the caliper rebuild kits. I found just about everything I
needed at AutohausAz.com. Their prices are as good as I could find and their
inventory (in my experience) is unmatched. Hope that helps, good luck?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:58:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like ATE slotted w/ Porterfield R4S's and braided lines.? ATE Super blue
will cover Most people, but the R4S's will generate more heat then the fluid
can take if you're hauling down from solid triple digits w/ any Force...? In
which case Castrol SRF or Motul 660 works Quite nicely.? If you need to cool
them further leave the dust shields off.


Jonathan
Mark La Rochelle wrote:




Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a 560 SEC?
Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about ceramic pads and
drilled rotors.

Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is it worth
the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a rebuild kit for
the calipers?



Thanks



Mark


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89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:23:14 -0400
From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Castrol SRF! I use that stuff in my track cars, it costs more per can than a
set of brake pads.

But anything they pour directly out of the can into an F1 car is alright by
me.


Bruce
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From: PaulLoui at comcast.net
To: jhodgman at gmail.com ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade


I just completed a complete brake system over haul on my 500sec. At first
I got the slotted/ drilled Brembo rotors but ended up replacing them. They
provide great stopping power if you are racing on a track. But for everyday
driving they are way too hard on whatever kind of pad you decide to get. As
for ceramic pads they are supposed to create less brake dust than metallic
pads. As for the caliper rebuild kits. I found just about everything I
needed at AutohausAz.com. Their prices are as good as I could find and their
inventory (in my experience) is unmatched. Hope that helps, good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:58:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like ATE slotted w/ Porterfield R4S's and braided lines. ATE Super blue
will cover Most people, but the R4S's will generate more heat then the fluid
can take if you're hauling down from solid triple digits w/ any Force... In
which case Castrol SRF or Motul 660 works Quite nicely. If you need to cool
them further leave the dust shields off.


Jonathan
Mark La Rochelle wrote:
Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a 560
SEC? Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about ceramic pads and
drilled rotors.

Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is it
worth the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a rebuild kit
for the calipers?



Thanks



Mark



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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:30:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: PaulLoui at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Another thing I just thought of...FYI. If your calipers need to be rebuilt
because of worn boots, check to see the condition of the brake fluid behind
the pistons. If there is any signs of rust or discoloration of any kind you
will have to flush the whole system. I went through 51/2 cans of brake
cleaner. Again good luck
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To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:47:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade




Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a 560 SEC?
Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about ceramic pads and
drilled rotors.

Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is it worth
the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a rebuild kit for
the calipers?



Thanks



Mark


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From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:56:48 -0400
From: Jay Hirsch <J.Hirsch at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
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I like Akebono pads, absolutely no brake dust, or squeal. Will never
us MB pads again.
keep cruisin
Jay H
On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:16 PM, PaulLoui at comcast.net wrote:


> I just completed a complete brake system over haul on my 500sec. At

> first I got the slotted/ drilled Brembo rotors but ended up

> replacing them. They provide great stopping power if you are racing

> on a track. But for everyday driving they are way too hard on

> whatever kind of pad you decide to get. As for ceramic pads they

> are supposed to create less brake dust than metallic pads. As for

> the caliper rebuild kits. I found just about everything I needed at

> AutohausAz.com. Their prices are as good as I could find and their

> inventory (in my experience) is unmatched. Hope that helps, good luck

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <blueridgemb at gmail.com>

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:58:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

>

> I like ATE slotted w/ Porterfield R4S's and braided lines. ATE

> Super blue will cover Most people, but the R4S's will generate more

> heat then the fluid can take if you're hauling down from solid

> triple digits w/ any Force... In which case Castrol SRF or Motul

> 660 works Quite nicely. If you need to cool them further leave the

> dust shields off.

>

>

> Jonathan

> Mark La Rochelle wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a

> 560 SEC? Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about

> ceramic pads and drilled rotors.

>

> Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is

> it worth the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a

> rebuild kit for the calipers?

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Mark

>

>

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>

>

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> Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East

> www.blueridgemb.com

> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.

> 96 S600 Euro

> 91 560SEC ECE (for sale)

> 91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion

> 88 300E AMG

> 89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)

> 89 300TE

> 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)

> 89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.

> 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V

> 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V

>

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:49:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: PaulLoui at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I'm gonna get totallly off the subject here because I'm new to mbcoupes.com
and I want to show or add my sec to the gallery but I don't know how to go
about it. When I signed up it instructed me to sent all pictures to an
e-mail with a specific subject. When I tried to do that my computer said
that that address didn't exist any more and couldn't complete the send. As
for your brake job, I haven't experienced a pad worth recomending- I think
I'll try those Akebono pads Jay reccomended. The pads I have now have good
stopping power but the amount of brake dust coupled with my chrome wheels
makes a really bad combination. Anyway, if anyone can steer me in the right
direction an how to get my pictures added I think you'll all enjoy them.
Thanks everyone and one last note about the brake job... The ability to stop
isn't an area to cut any corners. I'm sure you all know how much any front
end damage can cost. I learned the hard way and just the aux. fan which went
into the a/c conde
nser which went into the radiator, which went into the primary fan was
roughly 1000.00. You don't even want to think about a new hood, headlights
and bodywork. I literally cried. But I've wa nted one of these since I fisrt
saw them in 83 and now that I have one I will take it to my grave. Thanks to
whoever helps me get started because I'm confident any enthusiast is really
going to enjoy these pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Hirsch" <J.Hirsch at mac.com>
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:56:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like Akebono pads, absolutely no brake dust, or squeal. Will never us MB
?pads again.
keep cruisin
Jay H


On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:16 PM, PaulLoui at comcast.net wrote:



I just completed a complete brake system over haul on my 500sec. At first I
got the slotted/ drilled Brembo rotors but ended up replacing them. They
provide great stopping power if you are racing on a track. But for everyday
driving they are way too hard on whatever kind of pad you decide to get.?As
for ceramic pads they are supposed to create less brake dust than metallic
pads. As for the caliper rebuild kits. I found just about everything I
needed at AutohausAz.com. Their prices are as good as I could find and their
inventory (in my experience) is unmatched. Hope that helps, good luck?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hodgman" < blueridgemb at gmail.com >
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" < mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com >
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:58:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like ATE slotted w/ Porterfield R4S's and braided lines.? ATE Super blue
will cover Most people, but the R4S's will generate more heat then the fluid
can take if you're hauling down from solid triple digits w/ any Force...? In
which case Castrol SRF or Motul 660 works Quite nicely.? If you need to cool
them further leave the dust shields off.


Jonathan
Mark La Rochelle wrote:




Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a 560 SEC?
Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about ceramic pads and
drilled rotors.

Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is it worth
the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a rebuild kit for
the calipers?



Thanks



Mark


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Service, Restoration and Tuning.
96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
87 Hammer 6.0L 32V
86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:19:30 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:10:51 -0700
From: "Dean Slone" <daslone at saber.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade
To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>, "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Log into the site. (You can't do this as a guest)
Click on Photo Gallery (This takes you to the general photos.)
Click on My Photos (This takes you to YOUR photo storage area.)
Click on Upload Photos ((This takes you to an upload menu.)
Browse (your computer) for the photo you want to upload to benzworld.
Click on Upload/Submit

Note: Resize your photos to 800 x 600 .jpg before browsing.

Once your photos are in your gallery everyone can see them and you can
either attach them or insert them into forum messages. The upload page
alludes to the ability to upload multiple photos at the same time (If you
are uploading more than one photo, you will be able to change this on the
next page for each photo.) but I have not figured out how to do that yet.

Welcome to the site.

Daz




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From: Jonathan Hodgman
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade


Gallery: No adding available for some time.


PaulLoui at comcast.net wrote:
I'm gonna get totallly off the subject here because I'm new to
mbcoupes.com and I want to show or add my sec to the gallery but I don't
know how to go about it. When I signed up it instructed me to sent all
pictures to an e-mail with a specific subject. When I tried to do that my
computer said that that address didn't exist any more and couldn't complete
the send. As for your brake job, I haven't experienced a pad worth
recomending- I think I'll try those Akebono pads Jay reccomended. The pads I
have now have good stopping power but the amount of brake dust coupled with
my chrome wheels makes a really bad combination. Anyway, if anyone can steer
me in the right direction an how to get my pictures added I think you'll all
enjoy them. Thanks everyone and one last note about the brake job... The
ability to stop isn't an area to cut any corners. I'm sure you all know how
much any front end damage can cost. I learned the hard way and just the aux.
fan which went into the a/c c
ondenser which went into the radiator, which went into the primary fan was
roughly 1000.00. You don't even want to think about a new hood, headlights
and bodywork. I literally cried. But I've wanted one of these since I fisrt
saw them in 83 and now that I have one I will take it to my grave. Thanks to
whoever helps me get started because I'm confident any enthusiast is really
going to enjoy these pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Hirsch" <J.Hirsch at mac.com>
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:56:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like Akebono pads, absolutely no brake dust, or squeal. Will never us
MB pads again.
keep cruisin
Jay H
On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:16 PM, PaulLoui at comcast.net wrote:


I just completed a complete brake system over haul on my 500sec. At
first I got the slotted/ drilled Brembo rotors but ended up replacing them.
They provide great stopping power if you are racing on a track. But for
everyday driving they are way too hard on whatever kind of pad you decide to
get. As for ceramic pads they are supposed to create less brake dust than
metallic pads. As for the caliper rebuild kits. I found just about
everything I needed at AutohausAz.com. Their prices are as good as I could
find and their inventory (in my experience) is unmatched. Hope that helps,
good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:58:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Rotors and Pads Upgrade

I like ATE slotted w/ Porterfield R4S's and braided lines. ATE Super
blue will cover Most people, but the R4S's will generate more heat then the
fluid can take if you're hauling down from solid triple digits w/ any
Force... In which case Castrol SRF or Motul 660 works Quite nicely. If you
need to cool them further leave the dust shields off..


Jonathan
Mark La Rochelle wrote:
Does anyone have any experience upgrading the pads and rotors on a
560 SEC? Mine are due for replacement and I was thinking about ceramic pads
and drilled rotors.

Any suggestions, experiences and sources would be appreciated. Is it
worth the additional cost? Also, does anyone know where to get a rebuild kit
for the calipers?



Thanks



Mark



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96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
87 Hammer 6.0L 32V
86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V
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96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:08:54 -0400
From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Here, let me tell you another one that will throw you.
Speedometer starts bouncing all over the place, all gages start going
erratic, everything starts shutting down, blower motor goes on to high heat.

Think you're in the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" movie?

Brushes in the alternator, or alternator.

Anyone got more for the new guy?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Afzaal Khan.M" <afzaal53 at gmail.com>
To: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>; "Mercedes Coupes Mailing
Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)



> Great! fault diagnosed and rectified.

> mak

>

> On 16/06/2009, Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, at last, confirmed. Received my new OVP relay this morning and

>> before

>> the delivery truck had driven away, I had the parcel ripped open and

>> fitted

>> the relay. My thoughts as I was about to turn the ignition key was "well,

>> here goes" But as soon as I did, I could tell that this is it, as the

>> engine

>> started immediately and the ABS/ASR warning lights went out. It used to

>> take

>> around 10 seconds or more of the engine turning over to start with the

>> old

>> relay. The engine was very smooth and no stumble or hesitation when

>> revving

>> the engine. The idle was fine also.

>> I know that the OVP gets blamed for everything, but it looks like if you

>> have the 4 symptoms all at the same time.

>> 1. Takes a long time to start

>> 2. High Idle

>> 3. ABS/ASR warning lights remain on.

>> 4. Rough running of the engine.

>> Then it looks like the problem is almost certainly the OVP relay. Of

>> course

>> it is possible that the fuse is just blown, but if that is OK (as mine

>> was)

>> then a new OVP should be the next step.

>>

>> For those who want to have a go at repairing the relay, from what I have

>> discovered along with input from this group, it looks like if you get all

>> symptoms at the same time, then as long as the fuse, relay coil, contacts

>> and solder joints are OK, then the most likely culprit is the diode

>> connected between pin# 15 and the relay coil. It is unlikely that the

>> zener

>> diode is the problem, as this would more likely blow the fuse if the

>> zener

>> was at fault. If you get only 1 or 2 of the above symptoms, then a solder

>> joint (or more) would be most likely.But of course when you get only 1 or



>> 2

>> of the symptoms, say for example the ABS warning light on, then it's

>> possible the OVP is fine and that the problem could be the ABS computer

>> itself. It's understandable that the OVP gets blamed for everything, but

>> is

>> certainly the first thing to check.

>>

>> Thanks again to everyone who gave their input.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Vance.

>> The MB Coupes Website!

>> W126 SEC Mailing List

>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>>

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:43:59 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <4A397FBF.5090003 at gmail.com>
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Could be reg, could be alt.. Pull your reg see what you have..

Bosch only, no KAE.


Iain Gunn wrote:

> Here, let me tell you another one that will throw you.

> Speedometer starts bouncing all over the place, all gages start going

> erratic, everything starts shutting down, blower motor goes on to high

> heat. Think you're in the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" movie?

>

> Brushes in the alternator, or alternator.

>

> Anyone got more for the new guy?

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Afzaal Khan.M" <afzaal53 at gmail.com>

> To: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>; "Mercedes Coupes

> Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:04 PM

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)

>

>

>> Great! fault diagnosed and rectified.

>> mak

>>

>> On 16/06/2009, Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>>>

>>> Yes, at last, confirmed. Received my new OVP relay this morning and

>>> before

>>> the delivery truck had driven away, I had the parcel ripped open and

>>> fitted

>>> the relay. My thoughts as I was about to turn the ignition key was

>>> "well,

>>> here goes" But as soon as I did, I could tell that this is it, as

>>> the engine

>>> started immediately and the ABS/ASR warning lights went out. It used

>>> to take

>>> around 10 seconds or more of the engine turning over to start with

>>> the old

>>> relay. The engine was very smooth and no stumble or hesitation when

>>> revving

>>> the engine. The idle was fine also.

>>> I know that the OVP gets blamed for everything, but it looks like if

>>> you

>>> have the 4 symptoms all at the same time.

>>> 1. Takes a long time to start

>>> 2. High Idle

>>> 3. ABS/ASR warning lights remain on.

>>> 4. Rough running of the engine.

>>> Then it looks like the problem is almost certainly the OVP relay. Of

>>> course

>>> it is possible that the fuse is just blown, but if that is OK (as

>>> mine was)

>>> then a new OVP should be the next step.

>>>

>>> For those who want to have a go at repairing the relay, from what I

>>> have

>>> discovered along with input from this group, it looks like if you

>>> get all

>>> symptoms at the same time, then as long as the fuse, relay coil,

>>> contacts

>>> and solder joints are OK, then the most likely culprit is the diode

>>> connected between pin# 15 and the relay coil. It is unlikely that

>>> the zener

>>> diode is the problem, as this would more likely blow the fuse if the

>>> zener

>>> was at fault. If you get only 1 or 2 of the above symptoms, then a

>>> solder

>>> joint (or more) would be most likely.But of course when you get only

>>> 1 or 2

>>> of the symptoms, say for example the ABS warning light on, then it's

>>> possible the OVP is fine and that the problem could be the ABS computer

>>> itself. It's understandable that the OVP gets blamed for everything,

>>> but is

>>> certainly the first thing to check.

>>>

>>> Thanks again to everyone who gave their input.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> Vance.

>>> The MB Coupes Website!

>>> W126 SEC Mailing List

>>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>>>

>> The MB Coupes Website!

>> W126 SEC Mailing List

>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>>

>

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:13:57 +0000
From: kabed1980 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:

<1259398023-1245284069-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-579236205- at b
xe1286.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

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When I finally got to my 560after 7 years of sitting not running I finally
got to u got it running bitter then new I had the run in with the alternator
same description
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:08:54
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)


Here, let me tell you another one that will throw you.
Speedometer starts bouncing all over the place, all gages start going
erratic, everything starts shutting down, blower motor goes on to high heat.

Think you're in the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" movie?

Brushes in the alternator, or alternator.

Anyone got more for the new guy?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Afzaal Khan.M" <afzaal53 at gmail.com>
To: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>; "Mercedes Coupes Mailing
Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Suspect OVP relay (update)



> Great! fault diagnosed and rectified.

> mak

>

> On 16/06/2009, Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, at last, confirmed. Received my new OVP relay this morning and

>> before

>> the delivery truck had driven away, I had the parcel ripped open and

>> fitted

>> the relay. My thoughts as I was about to turn the ignition key was "well,

>> here goes" But as soon as I did, I could tell that this is it, as the

>> engine

>> started immediately and the ABS/ASR warning lights went out. It used to

>> take

>> around 10 seconds or more of the engine turning over to start with the

>> old

>> relay. The engine was very smooth and no stumble or hesitation when

>> revving

>> the engine. The idle was fine also.

>> I know that the OVP gets blamed for everything, but it looks like if you

>> have the 4 symptoms all at the same time.

>> 1. Takes a long time to start

>> 2. High Idle

>> 3. ABS/ASR warning lights remain on.

>> 4. Rough running of the engine.

>> Then it looks like the problem is almost certainly the OVP relay. Of

>> course

>> it is possible that the fuse is just blown, but if that is OK (as mine

>> was)

>> then a new OVP should be the next step.

>>

>> For those who want to have a go at repairing the relay, from what I have

>> discovered along with input from this group, it looks like if you get all

>> symptoms at the same time, then as long as the fuse, relay coil, contacts

>> and solder joints are OK, then the most likely culprit is the diode

>> connected between pin# 15 and the relay coil. It is unlikely that the

>> zener

>> diode is the problem, as this would more likely blow the fuse if the

>> zener

>> was at fault. If you get only 1 or 2 of the above symptoms, then a solder

>> joint (or more) would be most likely.But of course when you get only 1 or



>> 2

>> of the symptoms, say for example the ABS warning light on, then it's

>> possible the OVP is fine and that the problem could be the ABS computer

>> itself. It's understandable that the OVP gets blamed for everything, but

>> is

>> certainly the first thing to check.

>>

>> Thanks again to everyone who gave their input.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Vance.

>> The MB Coupes Website!

>> W126 SEC Mailing List

>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>>

> The MB Coupes Website!

> W126 SEC Mailing List

> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:07:15 EDT
From: GLEONEC3 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 59, Issue 17
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hi All,

I'm triing to locate a driver side rear speaker cover ( BLK ) for an 1988
560sec.
any help would be great..!
Thanks
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:23:00 +0000
From: btb management <btbmanagement at hotmail.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
To: <bari.zibrak at gmail.com>, Block <dennis at evict123.com>,
<booking at juniorkelly.net>, <bookings at juniorkelly.net>,
<brian at brianjahn.com>, <btbmanagement at hotmail.com>,
<daniellehazan at hotmail.com>, Eddie LK Plumbing
<eddie at lkplumbing.com>,
Elizabeth McCullough <awilde13 at yahoo.com>, Holly Gunderson
<holly at aubergedusoleil.com>, Holly Gunderson <paristern at aol.com>,
igel <igel at dovecommunications.com>, <jamie.abramowitz at morwear.com>,
<jmbutler_aerus at sbcglobal.net>, <kassavarestaurant at yahoo.com>, Lydia
Park <lydia at dovecommunications.com>, marina <teahouse at att.net>,
<marycseh at hotmail.com>, <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>, Noah R-S
<noahrs at gmail.com>, Pattie Harris <pattie at aoausa.com>,
<res00m5b at verizon.net>, "Robert G. Reece"
<robertreece at protectionone.com>, <rose_heitland at progressive.com>,
roxana <roxanaxortega at yahoo.co>, <roxanaxortega at yahoo.com>,
<sarahbuchwalter at gmail.com>, sasha <wallstreet9 at sbcglobal.net>,
<secretariat at waza.org>, <sisirie at io.com>, sophia
<sophianyc at gmail.com>, <starkscasting at earthlink.net>, stu
<getstu at mac.com>, <themove at thrillist.com>,
<wes at fueldesign.com>, Will
Powers <wpowers at coinmachcorp.com>, YVETTE SILVA
<screenmasterteam2 at yahoo.com>
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hello friend:
I am glad to tell you one good
news!i have bought one item from one site then i got it within
3-5 working
days and the quality is high too.i am very satisfaied with their service.

there are many interesting electronic items on the site!such as Phones,TVs
Laptops or Video Games or
Motorbikes and so on!also the price is good
enough!
If you have free time you can visite the site by
yourself

the website: sell-good.com
Their Email: sellgood at 188.com
Hope you have a good mood in shopping from their
company!
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:35:47 -0400
From: "Kelly Frink" <560secfl at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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What the H does to do with W126 560 sec keep this S off



From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of btb management
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:23 AM
To: bari.zibrak at gmail.com; Block; booking at juniorkelly.net;
bookings at juniorkelly.net; brian at brianjahn.com; btbmanagement at hotmail.com;
daniellehazan at hotmail.com; Eddie LK Plumbing; Elizabeth McCullough; Holly
Gunderson; Holly Gunderson; igel; jamie.abramowitz at morwear.com;
jmbutler_aerus at sbcglobal.net; kassavarestaurant at yahoo.com; Lydia Park;
marina; marycseh at hotmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com; Noah R-S; Pattie
Harris; res00m5b at verizon.net; Robert G. Reece;
rose_heitland at progressive.com; roxana; roxanaxortega at yahoo.com;
sarahbuchwalter at gmail.com; sasha; secretariat at waza.org; sisirie at io.com;
sophia; starkscasting at earthlink.net; stu; themove at thrillist.com;
wes at fueldesign.com; Will Powers; YVETTE SILVA
Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)



hello friend:
I am glad to tell you one good news!i have bought one item from one site
then i got it within
3-5 working days and the quality is high too.i am very satisfaied with their
service.
there are many interesting electronic items on the site!such as Phones,TVs
Laptops or Video Games or
Motorbikes and so on!also the price is good enough!
If you have free time you can visite the site by yourself

the website: sell-good.com

Their Email: sellgood at 188.com

Hope you have a good mood in shopping from their company!



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:57:14 -0600
From: "Ernest Stephens" <stevetsg at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I have to agree with Kelly, I don't mind all the stuff pertaining to the
coupes but please don't add anything else to it.
steve

----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Frink<mailto:560secfl at gmail.com>
To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 08:35 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)


What the H does to do with W126 560 sec keep this S off



From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com<mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com>
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of btb management
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:23 AM
To: bari.zibrak at gmail.com<mailto:bari.zibrak at gmail.com>; Block;
booking at juniorkelly.net<mailto:booking at juniorkelly.net>;
bookings at juniorkelly.net<mailto:bookings at juniorkelly.net>;
brian at brianjahn.com; btbmanagement at hotmail.com; daniellehazan at hotmail.com;
Eddie LK Plumbing; Elizabeth McCullough; Holly Gunderson; Holly Gunderson;
igel; jamie.abramowitz at morwear.com; jmbutler_aerus at sbcglobal.net;
kassavarestaurant at yahoo.com; Lydia Park; marina; marycseh at hotmail.com;
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com; Noah R-S; Pattie Harris; res00m5b at verizon.net; Robert
G. Reece; rose_heitland at progressive.com; roxana; roxanaxortega at yahoo.com;
sarahbuchwalter at gmail.com; sasha; secretariat at waza.org; sisirie at io.com;
sophia; starkscasting at earthlink.net; stu; themove at thrillist.com;
wes at fueldesign.com; Will Powers; YVETTE SILVA
Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)



hello friend:
I am glad to tell you one good news!i have bought one item from one site
then i got it within
3-5 working days and the quality is high too.i am very satisfaied with
their service.
there are many interesting electronic items on the site!such as Phones,TVs
Laptops or Video Games or
Motorbikes and so on!also the price is good enough!
If you have free time you can visite the site by yourself

the website: sell-good.com

Their Email: sellgood at 188.com

Hope you have a good mood in shopping from their company!




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:28:51 -0500
From: Brent von Behrens <fdvb at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
To: MB Coupes <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Guys, I believe this is the new kind of spam that gets into forums. Should
have filtered out.

Regards,

Brent



From: stevetsg at msn.com
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:57:14 -0600
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)







I have to agree with Kelly, I don't mind all the stuff pertaining to the
coupes but please don't add anything else to it.
steve


----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Frink
To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 08:35 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)



What the H does to do with W126 560 sec keep this S off



From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of btb management
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:23 AM
To: bari.zibrak at gmail.com; Block; booking at juniorkelly.net;
bookings at juniorkelly.net; brian at brianjahn.com; btbmanagement at hotmail.com;
daniellehazan at hotmail.com; Eddie LK Plumbing; Elizabeth McCullough; Holly
Gunderson; Holly Gunderson; igel; jamie.abramowitz at morwear.com;
jmbutler_aerus at sbcglobal.net; kassavarestaurant at yahoo.com; Lydia Park;
marina; marycseh at hotmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com; Noah R-S; Pattie
Harris; res00m5b at verizon.net; Robert G. Reece;
rose_heitland at progressive.com; roxana; roxanaxortega at yahoo.com;
sarahbuchwalter at gmail.com; sasha; secretariat at waza.org; sisirie at io.com;
sophia; starkscasting at earthlink.net; stu; themove at thrillist.com;
wes at fueldesign.com; Will Powers; YVETTE SILVA
Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)



hello friend:
I am glad to tell you one good news!i have bought one item from one site
then i got it within
3-5 working days and the quality is high too.i am very satisfaied with their
service.
there are many interesting electronic items on the site!such as Phones,TVs
Laptops or Video Games or
Motorbikes and so on!also the price is good enough!
If you have free time you can visite the site by yourself


the website: sell-good.com

Their Email: sellgood at 188.com

Hope you have a good mood in shopping from their company!




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