[W126 Coupe] gas prices

[Mike Beyersdoerfer]

Bruce as I stated my earlier mistake, technically it raises Octane by  
Octane numbers not points

We have 18 years of very satisfied customers.

Mike
On Jul 10, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Bruce Mendel wrote:


> By the way, this is from the www.liquidhorsepower.com web site you  

> referenced:

>

> 30 Gallon Treatment

> - Increases octane effect up to 10 points while improving combustion  

> in all grades of gasoline

> - Relieves stress on engines caused by poor combustion

> - Increased power, lower emissions, better fuel mileage

> - Keeps fuel fresh during storage

> - Super concentrate for easy transportation

> - Cleans injectors, carburetors, intake valves, and combustion  

> chambers

> - Lubricates top end

>

> That means one full bottle raises octane "up to" ten TENTHS of a  

> point (they say "points", but points in this industry means tenths  

> of a point), or one full point. That's their own statement!

>

> So a $10.95 bottle will take you from 92 to 93 at best. And no way  

> does it even do that mixed into 30 gallons..it's just simple math,  

> it can't have enough octane to do it. Plus it says "octane effect",  

> and I am not sure what they mean by that.

>

> Bruce

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Bruce Mendel

> To: Mike Beyersdoerfer ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices

>

> I'd like to believe it, but I do not believe that 6 oz's of ANYTHING  

> raises octane 5 full points. It's impossible. Toluene is 114 octane  

> as a standalone product, so if you mix one gallon of that to one  

> gallon of gas, you're at 103 and that's a GALLON of 114. For 6 ozs  

> to raise it that high, it's need to be 150+ octane, which is  

> impossible.

>

> So that, and the lack of any real data on MPG, leaves me a doubter.  

> If it feels good, and seems to do something positive, that's great.  

> But no way does it raise octane like you say it does. And if it  

> raised MPG over 20% like you say, it would be wildly well known and  

> popular, and recommended by everyone from CU to green groups.

>

> Sorry, not buying the claims that easily.

>

> Bruce

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Mike Beyersdoerfer

> To: Bruce Mendel ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices

>

> Bruce,

>

> I don't blame anyone for being skeptical.  I was before I tested for  

> myself and then became a distributor.

> What is funny is the most skeptical guys in the beginning our now my  

> best customers.

>

> It will take 92 to 96-97 depending on the blend in your area.  This  

> products performance has been proven on a dyno many times on many  

> different engines.

> One 6 oz bottle cost $10.95 treats 30 gals.

>

> Speaking of Jeeps my wife's 2007 Jeep Commander Flex Fuel V8 gets  

> 13.5 MPG without 17-18 MPG with LHP.

>

> They also have a diesel product that is even more amazing.  We have  

> a Semi Truck fleet customer who picked up 300 miles per tank for  

> $14.95.  He is not complaining.

>

> Go to www.liquidhorsepower.com.

>

> Mike

> On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Bruce Mendel wrote:

>

>> I am really wondering about those claims (nothing personal).

>>

>> First of all, in the industry they use the term "points" of octane  

>> pretty liberally. It actually means tenths of a point. So when you  

>> say a can of LHP raises octane 5 points, that means it goes from 92  

>> to 92.5, which most people do not realizes.

>>

>> Second, fuel burning slower, if that's even possible, is bad for  

>> power and maybe good for fuel economy. But I would still wait for a  

>> truly scientific test of the results.

>>

>> The ASTM test result is nice, but is mostly qualitative, not  

>> quantitative. For example, exactly how much MPG increase is there,  

>> and how was it tested? And same for HP. And I'd love to see before  

>> and after octane testing as well.

>>

>> Not saying it doesn't help, but those are some serious claims  

>> without real scientifically derived data to back them up.

>>

>> Bruce

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Mike Beyersdoerfer

>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 AM

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices

>>

>> Hi Jay,

>>

>> We have the same problem here in Colorado, except we have another  

>> factor at 5000 ft.

>>

>> I use Liquid Horsepower in my car 1987 560SEC. This product has a  

>> combustion catalyst that makes the fuel burn slower.   My car runs  

>> better, gets better mileage and keeps injectors clean even on mid  

>> grade fuel.  It raises the octane 5 points.

>>

>> Last year I used this product with great results for 5000 miles on  

>> the Hot Rod Power Tour in my 1965 Buick, with a Buick 455 Stage One  

>> motor at 10.5 compression with 36 degrees advance.

>>

>> I am the Western Distributor and sell this product all over the  

>> country.  We have over 150 Harley Davidson dealers who swear by  

>> this product. Harleys won't run properly on pump gas here.

>>

>> It has also been tested using the standard ASTM D5500 test  

>> procedures. which is commonly used for evaluation of intake valve  

>> deposit formation. This method uses a1985 BMW 318i driven in a  

>> driving pattern comprising 10%, 20% urban and 70% highway driving  

>> for 10,000 miles.

>>

>> Results of the test were

>> 1.LHP exhibits good intake valve detergency and meets EPA  

>> compliance performance criteria

>> 2. Improved fuel economy,reduced exhaust emissions, prevents  

>> drivability deterioration (rough idling, stalling and surging)

>> 3. Excellent clean up performance under a modified CARB D 5598 test  

>> method at a concentration rate of 85 ppmv

>>

>> If you want to try it out call me,

>>

>> Good Luck,

>> Mike

>> 970-377-2882

>> 87 560 SEC

>> 65 Buick Sportwagon

>> 72 Buick Skylark

>>

>>

>> On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:29 AM, jflyer2 at aim.com wrote:

>>

>>> Here in Florida, the big push is for E10 (10% ethanol blend) with  

>>> a new law passed that mandates its use by 2010. However, even  

>>> though it burns cleaner and is supposedly cheaper that regular  

>>> gas, it is not being sold any cheaper here and they neglect to  

>>> tell the consumer that ethanol provides only about 2/3 the power  

>>> of pure gas. Thus giving cars using E10 about three percent less  

>>> fuel economy while not running as well. Also, the older the car,  

>>> the gas mileage is affected even more. Cars built before 1982, may  

>>> in fact, sustain engine damage from using it.

>>>

>>> Since it is primarily made from corn and corn is used as feed for  

>>> cattle, the cost of beef is increasing.

>>>

>>> I guess that we'll have to start eating veggie burgers and quit  

>>> driving our coupes and donate them to either museums or scrap  

>>> yards. Or maybe we'll have to look at converting them to Prius  

>>> power.

>>>

>>> Jay

>>> '91 560 SEC (Almost a full=time driver and no where near a museum  

>>> quality.) ;-(

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: Andrew Sporner <asporner at googlemail.com>

>>> To: RONNY GEENEN <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>; Mercedes Coupes  

>>> Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 3:52 am

>>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices

>>>

>>> Ohhh such a senstive subject with our group ;-)

>>>

>>> > With gas prices surging, ExxonMobil chief Rex Tillerson made  

>>> $21.7 million

>>> > last year; Chevron's David O'Reilly made $15.7 million. But the  

>>> companies

>>> > claim they're not to blame for high prices. So why the big  

>>> payouts?

>>>

>>> Like the prez sez, "we're hooked on oil!"

>>>

>>> As I had said before, I would hope alternatives would be better  

>>> researched.

>>> The government here (germany) doesn't tax LPG (yet!!).  I would  

>>> think if our

>>> (US) government were clever and is *really* serious about getting  

>>> us off and

>>> to improve overall security, they would follow suite.

>>>

>>> Still it is nice to drive a guzzler from time to time ;-)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Andy

>>>

>>>

>>> >

>>> > Ronny

>>> > Glendora, Ca 91740

>>> > 1987 560 SEC

>>> > 1984 300 SD

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