[W126 Coupe] Sauber modifications

Eddie cyberdrakon at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 11 19:37:06 EDT 2007

Yeah...very little history on Sauber engines.except they developed racing
engines putting out over 600 hp from the stock M117 bottom ends.



Try dynoing the engine? If I had to guess, I think the modifications would
be on the top end, things like valve springs, camshafts, intake.



Eddie



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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Sauber modifications



Willard,

To my knowledge anything Sauber would have done would be rare and difficult
to identify.
I take it the car did not come with any paper work etc.

W/o being there to inspect/check over and to Really know take apart/measure
etc it will be impossible to comment this way or that.

Jonathan


Willardtredway at aol.com wrote:



My 1991 560 SEC has a Euro motor allegedly rated at 300+ horsepower. I
bought this car a year ago from a group in Los Angeles that was importing
them from Japan and converting them for the US. My car has a large decal on
the driver side valve cover that says "Powered by Sauber". I am unable to
find any other indications that the car was modified by Sauber Motorsports
in Switzerland and my internet searches have resulted in no results. Can
anyone shed some light on this...were all Euro models "Powered by Sauber",
did they provide after market mods ala AMG, etc?



I do know that Sauber worked on special projects with Mercedes during the
late 80's and early 90's but eventually began working more and more with BMW
until BMW acquired the company in 2003-2005.



Thanks in advance for any input,

Willard Tredway





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1. Engine Timing Chain Guides, Oiler Brackets, Chain etc
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2. Re: trunk lock (Steve Nervig)
3. Re: trunk lock (Dick Spellman)
4. (no subject) (JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com)
5. Re: (no subject) (Mike Ramay)
6. Re: Engine death rattle ? (Camran Nassiri)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:58:37 +0000
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Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engine Timing Chain Guides, Oiler Brackets,
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A good source of info concerning timing chain guide failure and other
maintenance alerts is at the site www.mercedessource.com

Go to the tech help section and click on maintenance alerts and also the
manual section.

The manual section has a good discussion of the timing chain guide issue and
the alert section has good discussion of the chain, alternator brushes, and
power steering pump.

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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:58 -0700
From: Steve Nervig <mailto:dakota at mac.com> <dakota at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock
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I still believe that there is an emergency cable release for the
trunk lock under the left rear seat. It is shown in Job 82-0980 for
cars with and without rear electric seat adjustment.

Steve


On Sep 9, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Mister McGoo wrote:


> Here is the brutal last-resort entry system for the locked trunk

> from a guy who is fairly knowledgeable.

>

> His central locking system went inoperative, the trunk was locked,

> he could open the doors individually but not the trunk. He was

> away from home; of course he had tools with him.... in the trunk.

> He apologizes for the messy look like rats chewed unto the trunk.

> He borrowed a drill, large pliers, and a piece of hose (as well as

> miscellaneous other useless tools.) He says in all it took 20

> minutes to get into the trunk. NOTE: the car is an SE, NOT an

> SEC. Someone needs to verify that the vacuum line (plus electrical

> for the left taillight) lies in the same trough of the rear panel

> under the trunk lock mechanism.

>

> (I'm sure it is but my SEC's (too old) do not have the secondary

> pin lock although the vacuum line is in the same location.)

>

> >From under the car, he drilled into the rear trunk panel ledge

> bottom under (in front of) the rear bumper, directly under the

> licence plate and forcefully opened up enough of a slot to fish in

> with his fingers and pull the yellow vacuum line out. He carefully

> cut the line keeping the end of the line TO the locking mechanism

> (to the left of the car) and attached a hose. He then BLEW into

> the hose, and the trunk release button worked again. He advises

> that if you're not sure which direction is the locking mechanism,

> when you cut the yellow line carefully retain both ends because

> they will tend to spring back into the hole and become more

> difficult to recover.

>

> The new access hole is completely out of sight, easily patched and

> the cut yellow hose was reconnected with a rubber connector (a

> piece of the same hose he blew into). Plus, his gas access was

> locked also so he was able to get home.

>

> I have been told that there is a template for cutting into the

> trunk under the licence plate to get at the mechanism itself, but I

> have never seen it done.

>

> Comments?

>

> - Bellamy

>

>

>

>

> From: eelploot at hotmail.com

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:08:14 +0000

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

>

> >From what you say, the vacuum pump controlling all locks is

> inoperative for whatever reason. Plus when this occurred the trunk

> was locked so it will not unlock. And, of course, the inoperative

> pump is in the trunk.

>

> I am assuming this because (a) the door locks do not open/lock

> anything and when you turn any of the locks you do NOT hear any

> sounds from the trunk. You should hear some whirring plus the

> mechanical locking mechanisms working. Is your gas door locked also?

>

> I am waiting to hear from a friend who had the same situation and

> got into the trunk. He says the problem is not limited to the pin,

> it's the actuator for the push button itself and the only way to

> release it is from inside the trunk

> itself.

>

> I hope to have that answer within half an hour for comments from

> everybody.

>

> -Bellamy

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Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:37:12 -0400
From: Dick Spellman <mailto:spell.yy at verizon.net> <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock
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Perhaps you are right Steve. It must be either right under the seat
cushion. I've never seen it on any of the late model sedans I've ripped
apart. Perhaps it's in the wire trough.

Dick

Steve Nervig wrote:

> I still believe that there is an emergency cable release for the trunk

> lock under the left rear seat. It is shown in Job 82-0980 for cars

> with and without rear electric seat adjustment.

>

> Steve

>

>

> On Sep 9, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Mister McGoo wrote:

>

>> Here is the brutal last-resort entry system for the locked trunk from

>> a guy who is fairly knowledgeable.

>>

>> His central locking system went inoperative, the trunk was locked, he

>> could open the doors individually but not the trunk. He was away

>> from home; of course he had tools with him.... in the trunk. He

>> apologizes for the messy look like rats chewed unto the trunk. He

>> borrowed a drill, large pliers, and a piece of hose (as well as

>> miscellaneous other useless tools.) He says in all it took 20

>> minutes to get into the trunk. NOTE: the car is an SE, NOT an SEC.

>> Someone needs to verify that the vacuum line (plus electrical for the

>> left taillight) lies in the same trough of the rear panel under the

>> trunk lock mechanism.

>>

>> (I'm sure it is but my SEC's (too old) do not have the secondary pin

>> lock although the vacuum line is in the same location.)

>>

>> >From under the car, he drilled into the rear trunk panel ledge

>> bottom under (in front of) the rear bumper, directly under the

>> licence plate and forcefully opened up enough of a slot to fish in

>> with his fingers and pull the yellow vacuum line out. He carefully

>> cut the line keeping the end of the line TO the locking mechanism (to

>> the left of the car) and attached a hose. He then BLEW into the

>> hose, and the trunk release button worked again. He advises that if

>> you're not sure which direction is the locking mechanism, when you

>> cut the yellow line carefully retain both ends because they will tend

>> to spring back into the hole and become more difficult to recover.

>>

>> The new access hole is completely out of sight, easily patched and

>> the cut yellow hose was reconnected with a rubber connector (a piece

>> of the same hose he blew into). Plus, his gas access was locked also

>> so he was able to get home.

>>

>> I have been told that there is a template for cutting into the trunk

>> under the licence plate to get at the mechanism itself, but I have

>> never seen it done.

>>

>> Comments?

>>

>> - Bellamy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:08:14 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

>>

>> >From what you say, the vacuum pump controlling all locks is

>> inoperative for whatever reason. Plus when this occurred the

>> trunk was locked so it will not unlock. And, of course, the

>> inoperative pump is in the trunk.

>>

>> I am assuming this because (a) the door locks do not open/lock

>> anything and when you turn any of the locks you do NOT hear any

>> sounds from the trunk. You should hear some whirring plus the

>> mechanical locking mechanisms working. Is your gas door locked also?

>>

>> I am waiting to hear from a friend who had the same situation and

>> got into the trunk. He says the problem is not limited to the

>> pin, it's the actuator for the push button itself and the only

>> way to release it is from inside the trunk

>> itself.

>>

>> I hope to have that answer within half an hour for comments from

>> everybody.

>>

>> -Bellamy

>>

>>

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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:51:24 EDT
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Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
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Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of
repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require special
software to run. I
purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could not get disc 1 to open and disc 2
freezes up my hard drive after about ten minutes of use. I have windows XP.
Any
help in this matter is greatly appreciated.
John K.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:07:47 -0700
From: "Mike Ramay" <mailto:mramay at att.biz> <mramay at att.biz>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)
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I use a Virtual Drive
(http://www.farstone.com/software/virtualdrive-pro.htm) to run my manuals.
This lets me run the manual much faster than a CD based system, something
approaching 100X. I put my Electronic Parts Catalog (EPC) in there too.
Depends what I want, service or EPC, it can be loaded into the virtual drive
and run.



Later,

Mike R.

(702) 494-8056

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Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)



Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of
repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require special
software to run. I purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could not get disc 1 to
open and disc 2 freezes up my hard drive after about ten minutes of use. I
have windows XP. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

John K.

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:47:32 -0700
From: Camran Nassiri <mailto:mbzman560 at hotmail.com> <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?
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Thanks Jonathan; I'll be taking the car in for a 60K maintenance and I'll
have the whole thing done at that time. Thanks for your advice.
Camran



Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:31:48 -0400From: jhodgman at gmail.comTo:
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?
Camran,Yes, were the car in my possession I would @ the minimum change out
the chain rails and the oil line clips. I would check stretch and were you
more then a couple of degrees off then tend to the
chain/tensioner.JonathanCamran Nassiri wrote:


Jonathan- are you saying I need to replace my timing chain though I only
have 58K on my 90 SEC? I don't hear any noise and the car runs fine;
however, based on your comments about the age of the plastic parts I am now
concerned if I should replace my timing chain purely due to the 17 years of
age. Camran90 560SEC, 91 420SEL


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:04:27 -0400From: jhodgman at gmail.comTo:
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?I'd
change it Now. Even if the car had less then 100K, the age of the rails is
now a major concern. 20 year old plastic that's been heat cycled countless
times is not nearly as forgiving as it once was.Also, do NOT use aftermarket
tensioners..I gave up on them about 2 years ago after I had a number of
instances where the car would still slap w/ a fresh chain/rails and
aftermarket tensioner. Genuine tensioners are expensive but worth it.Were
the car mine, I would not drive it until I had everything changed out.Don't
forget your oil line clips either;-)Jonathan



> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com> From: Richard_Hesek at raytheon.com> Date: Fri, 7

Sep 2007 08:36:04 -0400> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?> > I
have been driving my 87 560 SEC about half time over the last 3 weeks.> 3 or
4 days per week instead of 7.> > The last 3 or 4 times I have started it,
there is a light rapping which> lasts as long as it takes for the engine to
start. Once it is running the> rap disappears.> This is not a tapping,
ticking or rocker arm noise.> It is as though the oil has not reached all
the parts it is supposed to> lube.> > The timing chain is original and has
100k miles on it. I assume the oil> pump chain is the same also.> Good power
and normal fuel consumption.> > Any thoughts?> > Thanks,> > Rick Hesek>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:34:08 -0700
From: Steve Nervig <mailto:dakota at mac.com> <dakota at mac.com>
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On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:51 AM, JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com wrote:


> Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of

> repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require

> special software to run. I purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could

> not get disc 1 to open and disc 2 freezes up my hard drive after

> about ten minutes of use. I have windows XP. Any help in this

> matter is greatly appreciated.

> John K.


If you have the MB Service Library CDs, you can use my Index to
better (and quicker) access the files, as long as you can get the CDs
copied to your hard drive.
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