[W126 Coupe] Sauber modifications

[Jonathan]

Willard,

To my knowledge anything Sauber would have done would be rare and 
difficult to identify.
I take it the car did not come with any paper work etc. 

W/o being there to inspect/check over and to Really know take 
apart/measure etc it will be impossible to comment this way or that.

Jonathan


Willardtredway at aol.com wrote:

>  

> My 1991 560 SEC has a Euro motor allegedly rated at 300+ horsepower. I 

> bought this car a year ago from a group in Los Angeles that was 

> importing them from Japan and converting them for the US. My car has a 

> large decal on the driver side valve cover that says "Powered by 

> Sauber". I am unable to find any other indications that the car was 

> modified by Sauber Motorsports in Switzerland and my internet searches 

> have resulted in no results. Can anyone shed some light on this...were 

> all Euro models "Powered by Sauber", did they provide after market 

> mods ala AMG, etc?

>  

> I do know that Sauber worked on special projects with Mercedes during 

> the late 80's and early 90's but eventually began working more and 

> more with BMW until BMW acquired the company in 2003-2005.

>  

> Thanks in advance for any input,

> Willard Tredway

>  

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>        1. Engine Timing Chain Guides, Oiler Brackets, Chain etc

>           (kashella at comcast.net)

>        2. Re: trunk lock (Steve Nervig)

>        3. Re: trunk lock (Dick Spellman)

>        4. (no subject) (JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com)

>        5. Re: (no subject) (Mike Ramay)

>        6. Re: Engine death rattle ? (Camran Nassiri)

>        7. Re: Service CDs (Steve Nervig)

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>     Message: 1

>     Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:58:37 +0000

>     From: kashella at comcast.net

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engine Timing Chain Guides, Oiler Brackets,

>         Chain etc

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>     A good source of info concerning timing chain guide failure and

>     other maintenance alerts is at the site www.mercedessource.com

>

>     Go to  the tech help section and click on maintenance alerts and

>     also the manual section.

>

>     The manual section has a good discussion of the timing chain guide

>     issue and the alert section has good discussion of the chain,

>     alternator brushes, and power steering pump.

>

>     Greg Kashella

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>     Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:58 -0700

>     From: Steve Nervig <dakota at mac.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

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>     I still believe that there is an emergency cable release for the 

>     trunk lock under the left rear seat. It is shown in Job 82-0980 for 

>     cars with and without rear electric seat adjustment.

>

>     Steve

>

>

>     On Sep 9, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Mister McGoo wrote:

>

>     > Here is the brutal last-resort entry system for the locked trunk 

>     > from a guy who is fairly knowledgeable.

>     >

>     > His central locking system went inoperative, the trunk was locked, 

>     > he could open the doors individually but not the trunk.   He was 

>     > away from home; of course he had tools with him.... in the trunk.  

>     > He apologizes for the messy look like rats chewed unto the trunk.  

>     > He borrowed a drill, large pliers, and a piece of hose (as well as 

>     > miscellaneous other useless tools.)  He says in all it took 20 

>     > minutes to get into the trunk.  NOTE: the car is an SE, NOT an 

>     > SEC.  Someone needs to verify that the vacuum line (plus

>     electrical 

>     > for the left taillight) lies in the same trough of the rear panel 

>     > under the trunk lock mechanism.

>     >

>     > (I'm sure it is but my SEC's (too old) do not have the secondary 

>     > pin lock although the vacuum line is in the same location.)

>     >

>     > >From under the car, he drilled into the rear trunk panel ledge 

>     > bottom under (in front of) the rear bumper, directly under the 

>     > licence plate and forcefully opened up enough of a slot to fish in 

>     > with his fingers and pull the yellow vacuum line out.  He

>     carefully 

>     > cut the line keeping the end of the line TO the locking mechanism 

>     > (to the left of the car) and attached a hose.  He then BLEW into 

>     > the hose, and the trunk release button worked again.  He advises 

>     > that if you're not sure which direction is the locking mechanism, 

>     > when you cut the yellow line carefully retain both ends because 

>     > they will tend to spring back into the hole and become more 

>     > difficult to recover.

>     >

>     > The new access hole is completely out of sight, easily patched and 

>     > the cut yellow hose was reconnected with a rubber connector (a 

>     > piece of the same hose he blew into).  Plus, his gas access was 

>     > locked also so he was able to get home.

>     >

>     > I have been told that there is a template for cutting into the 

>     > trunk under the licence plate to get at the mechanism itself,

>     but I 

>     > have never seen it done.

>     >

>     > Comments?

>     >

>     > - Bellamy

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > From: eelploot at hotmail.com

>     > To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     > Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:08:14 +0000

>     > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

>     >

>     > >From what you say, the vacuum pump controlling all locks is 

>     > inoperative for whatever reason.  Plus when this occurred the

>     trunk 

>     > was locked so it will not unlock.  And, of course, the inoperative 

>     > pump is in the trunk.

>     >

>     > I am assuming this because (a) the door locks do not open/lock 

>     > anything  and when you turn any of the locks you do NOT hear any 

>     > sounds from the trunk.  You should hear some whirring plus the 

>     > mechanical locking mechanisms working.  Is your gas door locked

>     also?

>     >

>     > I am waiting to hear from a friend who had the same situation and 

>     > got into the trunk.  He says the problem is not limited to the

>     pin, 

>     > it's the actuator for the push button itself and the only way to 

>     > release it is from inside the trunk

>     > itself.

>     >

>     > I hope to have that answer within half an hour for comments from 

>     > everybody.

>     >

>     > -Bellamy

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>     Message: 3

>     Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:37:12 -0400

>     From: Dick Spellman <spell.yy at verizon.net>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

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>     Perhaps you are right Steve.  It must be either right under the seat

>     cushion.  I've never seen it on any of the late model sedans I've

>     ripped

>     apart.  Perhaps it's in the wire trough.

>

>     Dick

>

>     Steve Nervig wrote:

>     > I still believe that there is an emergency cable release for the

>     trunk

>     > lock under the left rear seat. It is shown in Job 82-0980 for cars

>     > with and without rear electric seat adjustment.

>     >

>     > Steve

>     >

>     >

>     > On Sep 9, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Mister McGoo wrote:

>     >

>     >> Here is the brutal last-resort entry system for the locked

>     trunk from

>     >> a guy who is fairly knowledgeable.

>     >> 

>     >> His central locking system went inoperative, the trunk was

>     locked, he

>     >> could open the doors individually but not the trunk.   He was away

>     >> from home; of course he had tools with him.... in the trunk.  He

>     >> apologizes for the messy look like rats chewed unto the trunk.  He

>     >> borrowed a drill, large pliers, and a piece of hose (as well as

>     >> miscellaneous other useless tools.)  He says in all it took 20

>     >> minutes to get into the trunk.  NOTE: the car is an SE, NOT an

>     SEC. 

>     >> Someone needs to verify that the vacuum line (plus electrical

>     for the

>     >> left taillight) lies in the same trough of the rear panel under

>     the

>     >> trunk lock mechanism.

>     >> 

>     >> (I'm sure it is but my SEC's (too old) do not have the

>     secondary pin

>     >> lock although the vacuum line is in the same location.)

>     >> 

>     >> >From under the car, he drilled into the rear trunk panel ledge

>     >> bottom under (in front of) the rear bumper, directly under the

>     >> licence plate and forcefully opened up enough of a slot to fish in

>     >> with his fingers and pull the yellow vacuum line out.  He

>     carefully

>     >> cut the line keeping the end of the line TO the locking

>     mechanism (to

>     >> the left of the car) and attached a hose.  He then BLEW into the

>     >> hose, and the trunk release button worked again.  He advises

>     that if

>     >> you're not sure which direction is the locking mechanism, when you

>     >> cut the yellow line carefully retain both ends because they

>     will tend

>     >> to spring back into the hole and become more difficult to recover.

>     >> 

>     >> The new access hole is completely out of sight, easily patched and

>     >> the cut yellow hose was reconnected with a rubber connector (a

>     piece

>     >> of the same hose he blew into).  Plus, his gas access was

>     locked also

>     >> so he was able to get home.

>     >> 

>     >> I have been told that there is a template for cutting into the

>     trunk

>     >> under the licence plate to get at the mechanism itself, but I have

>     >> never seen it done.

>     >> 

>     >> Comments?

>     >> 

>     >> - Bellamy

>     >>

>     >>

>     >>

>     >>

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>     >>     Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:08:14 +0000

>     >>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] trunk lock

>     >>

>     >>     >From what you say, the vacuum pump controlling all locks is

>     >>     inoperative for whatever reason.  Plus when this occurred the

>     >>     trunk was locked so it will not unlock.  And, of course, the

>     >>     inoperative pump is in the trunk.

>     >>     

>     >>     I am assuming this because (a) the door locks do not open/lock

>     >>     anything  and when you turn any of the locks you do NOT

>     hear any

>     >>     sounds from the trunk.  You should hear some whirring plus the

>     >>     mechanical locking mechanisms working.  Is your gas door

>     locked also?

>     >>     

>     >>     I am waiting to hear from a friend who had the same

>     situation and

>     >>     got into the trunk.  He says the problem is not limited to the

>     >>     pin, it's the actuator for the push button itself and the only

>     >>     way to release it is from inside the trunk

>     >>     itself.

>     >>     

>     >>     I hope to have that answer within half an hour for comments

>     from

>     >>     everybody.

>     >>     

>     >>     -Bellamy

>     >>

>     >>

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>     Message: 4

>     Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:51:24 EDT

>     From: JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)

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>     Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of 

>     repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require

>     special  software to run. I

>     purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could not get disc 1 to  open

>     and disc 2

>     freezes up my hard drive after about ten minutes of use. I have 

>     windows XP. Any

>     help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

>     John K.

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>     Message: 5

>     Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:07:47 -0700

>     From: "Mike Ramay" <mramay at att.biz>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)

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>     I use a Virtual Drive

>     (http://www.farstone.com/software/virtualdrive-pro.htm) to run my

>     manuals.

>     This lets me run the manual much faster than a CD based system,

>     something

>     approaching 100X. I put my Electronic Parts Catalog (EPC) in there

>     too.

>     Depends what I want, service or EPC, it can be loaded into the

>     virtual drive

>     and run.

>

>

>

>     Later,

>

>     Mike R.

>

>     (702) 494-8056

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>     On Behalf Of JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com

>     Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 6:51 AM

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     Cc: JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] (no subject)

>

>

>

>     Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of

>     repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require

>     special

>     software to run. I purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could not get

>     disc 1 to

>     open and disc 2 freezes up my hard drive after about ten minutes

>     of use. I

>     have windows XP. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

>

>     John K.

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>     Message: 6

>     Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:47:32 -0700

>     From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?

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>     Thanks Jonathan; I'll be taking the car in for a 60K maintenance

>     and I'll have the whole thing done at that time.  Thanks for your

>     advice.

>     Camran

>

>

>

>     Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:31:48 -0400From: jhodgman at gmail.comTo:

>     mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle ?

>     Camran,Yes, were the car in my possession I would @ the minimum

>     change out the chain rails and the oil line clips.  I would check

>     stretch and were you more then a couple of degrees off then tend

>     to the chain/tensioner.JonathanCamran Nassiri wrote:

>

>

>     Jonathan- are you saying I need to replace my timing chain though

>     I only have 58K on my 90 SEC?  I don't hear any noise and the car

>     runs fine; however, based on your comments about the age of the

>     plastic parts I am now concerned if I should replace my timing

>     chain purely due to the 17 years of age. Camran90 560SEC, 91 420SEL

>

>

>     Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:04:27 -0400From: jhodgman at gmail.comTo:

>     mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Engine death rattle

>     ?I'd change it Now.  Even if the car had less then 100K, the age

>     of the rails is now a major concern.  20 year old plastic that's

>     been heat cycled countless times is not nearly as forgiving as it

>     once was.Also, do NOT use aftermarket tensioners..I gave up on

>     them about 2 years ago after I had a number of instances where the

>     car would still slap w/ a fresh chain/rails and aftermarket

>     tensioner.  Genuine tensioners are expensive but worth it.Were the

>     car mine, I would not drive it until I had everything changed

>     out.Don't forget your oil line clips either;-)Jonathan

>

>

>     > To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com> From: Richard_Hesek at raytheon.com>

>     Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:36:04 -0400> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engine

>     death rattle ?> > I have been driving my 87 560 SEC about half

>     time over the last 3 weeks.> 3 or 4 days per week instead of 7.> >

>     The last 3 or 4 times I have started it, there is a light rapping

>     which> lasts as long as it takes for the engine to start. Once it

>     is running the> rap disappears.> This is not a tapping, ticking or

>     rocker arm noise.> It is as though the oil has not reached all the

>     parts it is supposed to> lube.> > The timing chain is original and

>     has 100k miles on it. I assume the oil> pump chain is the same

>     also.> Good power and normal fuel consumption.> > Any thoughts?> >

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>     Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:34:08 -0700

>     From: Steve Nervig <dakota at mac.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Service CDs

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>     On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:51 AM, JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com wrote:

>

>     > Group: Does anyone possibly have a spare or can make a copy of 

>     > repair/maintenance cds for the 126 for me that does not require 

>     > special software to run. I purchased a set on line(Ebay) but could 

>     > not get disc 1 to open and disc 2 freezes up my hard drive after 

>     > about ten minutes of use. I have windows XP. Any help in this 

>     > matter is greatly appreciated.

>     > John K.

>

>     If you have the MB Service Library CDs, you can use my Index to 

>     better (and quicker) access the files, as long as you can get the

>     CDs 

>     copied to your hard drive.

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