[W126 Coupe] P1800 ES

[Doug Gavin]

Willardtredway at aol.com wrote:

>  

> I bought a new 1800 ES in about 1972...bright lemon yellow with black 

> interior. It would have been a perfect car if Volvo had jacked the 

> body up and installed a BMW 2002 motor, transmission, chassis and 

> running gear under it instead of the tractor motor, transmission, and 

> suspension they did install. Always made heads turn but rough riding 

> and tiring to drive on long trips.

>  

> Willard Tredway

>  

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>        1. Re: smoking (Shayegan, Richard)

>        2. Re: smoking (Hugh MacGregor)

>        3. Re: smoking (Joseph Schumann)

>        4. Re: smoking (Jonathan Hodgman)

>        5. Re: Now this is REALLY something! (Dawid Loubser)

>        6. Re: smoking (Ruud Schuijt)

>        7. A different perspective (toelsner at comcast.net)

>        8. Re: Another different perspective (Tad Heckaman)

>        9. Re: Fw: broken glove box door latch (richard jaffe)

>       10. Re: A different perspective (Dick Spellman)

>       11. Re: Now this is REALLY something! (Gary Green)

>       12. Re: Fw: broken glove box door latch (John Conley)

>       13. Re: A different perspective (Richard Hogarth)

>       14. P1800 ES (kent kihl)

>       15. parts (Gary)

>       16. Re: A different perspective (Louis Miller)

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>     Message: 1

>     Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08 -0400

>     From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     Mitch Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a slow connection or I'd look it up

>     for you, but I know it comes up on yellowpages.com). It's about 2

>     miles

>     from White Flint Mall. They only do MB there and they do it well.

>

>

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>         From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>     [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Baldwin Williams

>         Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45 PM

>         To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>         Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>        

>        

>         Hi,

>           I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles paid $3K

>     and got

>         four additional new tires on some fancy rims. It started right

>     away and

>         and I test drove it and also followed behind while the seller

>     drove it.

>         I did not see any smoke.

>           However in the mornings if I warm it up for about ten minutes

>     it

>         smokes quite a bit and also during stop and go driving.

>            My mechanic has since  tuned it up and it has passed MD

>     inspection,

>         but the smoking persists.He  says he does not have the right

>     tools nor

>         much  experience with mb to do a thorough job.

>           I am looking for a specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD

>     or DC.

>         I will be greatful for any suggestions or  references. This car

>     really

>         holds my fancy.

>           

>           Kind Regards,

>           Baldwin

>        

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>     Message: 2

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 02:37:35 +0000

>     From: Hugh MacGregor <hugh587 at hotmail.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     If it's a 1991 it's old enough to smoke!

>

>     Hugh86560sec

>

>

>     Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08 -0400From:

>     rishayegan at davidson.eduTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126

>     Coupe] smoking

>

>     Mitch Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a slow connection or I'd look

>     it up for you, but I know it comes up on yellowpages.com). It's

>     about 2 miles from White Flint Mall. They only do MB there and

>     they do it well.

>

>

>

>     From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>     [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Baldwin

>     WilliamsSent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45 PMTo:

>     mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     Hi,  I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles paid $3K

>     and got four additional new tires on some fancy rims. It started

>     right away and and I test drove it and also followed behind while

>     the seller drove it. I did not see any smoke.   However in the

>     mornings if I warm it up for about ten minutes it smokes quite a

>     bit and also during stop and go driving.   My mechanic has since 

>     tuned it up and it has passed MD inspection, but the smoking

>     persists.He  says he does not have the right tools nor much 

>     experience with mb to do a thorough job.  I am looking for a

>     specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD or DC. I will be

>     greatful for any suggestions or  references. This car really holds

>     my fancy.     Kind Regards,  Baldwin

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>     Message: 3

>     Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT)

>     From: Joseph Schumann <capt_jschumann at yahoo.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     Try leaning out the fuel distributor just a bit.....esp if hard

>     starting

>

>     Hugh MacGregor <hugh587 at hotmail.com> wrote:    P { margin:0px;

>     padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }  If

>     it's a 1991 it's old enough to smoke!

>      

>     Hugh86560sec

>

>

>

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>     Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08 -0400

>     From: rishayegan at davidson.edu

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>

>       Mitch Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a slow connection or I'd look

>     it up for you, but I know it comes up on yellowpages.com). It's

>     about 2 miles from White Flint Mall. They only do MB there and

>     they do it well.

>

>       

>     ---------------------------------

>     From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>     [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Baldwin Williams

>     Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45 PM

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>

>

>

>     Hi,

>       I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles paid $3K and got

>     four additional new tires on some fancy rims. It started right

>     away and

>     and I test drove it and also followed behind while the seller

>     drove it.

>     I did not see any smoke.

>       However in the mornings if I warm it up for about ten minutes it

>     smokes quite a bit and also during stop and go driving.

>        My mechanic has since  tuned it up and it has passed MD

>     inspection,

>     but the smoking persists.He  says he does not have the right tools

>     nor

>     much  experience with mb to do a thorough job.

>       I am looking for a specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD or

>     DC.

>     I will be greatful for any suggestions or  references. This car

>     really

>     holds my fancy.

>       

>       Kind Regards,

>       Baldwin

>

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>     Message: 4

>     Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:32:22 -0400

>     From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <jhodgman at gmail.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     I'll assume this is blue smoke, in which case @ 130K your valve

>     guides have

>     either led a Very hard life or your valve guide seals are spent.

>

>     FYI, letting the car idle to warm up is nothing but tough on the

>     engine and

>     an utter waste of resources.  The ICE is Very inefficient at idle.

>

>     What weight oil are you running?

>

>

>

>     Jonathan

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>     1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst"

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>     1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295)

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>     Message: 5

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:44:56 +0200

>     From: Dawid Loubser <dawidl at solms.co.za>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Now this is REALLY something!

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     I'm not sure if you know this, but this is actually a MB concept car 

>     that is more than 10 years old, it heavily influenced

>     the design of the previous generation S-class, as can be seen by the 

>     headlights. It also heavily influenced the

>     previous generation CL, as can be seen by the overall body shape and 

>     roofline.

>

>     I never liked this concept car all that much, although certain 

>     details are nice. But it is clearly not a typical Benz,

>     just a bit of fun by their forward-thinking engineers and stylists - 

>     in an era where their design wasn't as forward-thinking

>     as it used to be, IMHO.

>

>     Dawid

>

>     Somebody on this list once said that the SEC shape will age like

>     fine 

>     wine, and I am tending to agree with it.

>     Hang on to yours, in 10-20 years it'll be a highly desirable classic 

>     methinks.

>

>

>     On 11 Mei 2007, at 4:10 nm., richard jaffe wrote:

>

>     > Looks like the MB stylists have been overly influenced by the

>     "pimp 

>     > my ride" mentality as promoted on shows like Unique Whips on Speed 

>     > Channel. The focus group apparently consisted of NBA players and 

>     > Rap/Hip Hop "artists". Just goes to show how good the SEC design 

>     > really is - thanks Bruno Sacco.

>     >

>     > Rich Jaffe

>     > 85 500SEC Euro 260k

>     > 83 300SD  194k

>

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>     Message: 6

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:17:09 +0200

>     From: Ruud Schuijt <tejo at xs4all.nl>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <C26F2B15.10123%tejo at xs4all.nl>

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>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > I had exactly the same with my 1990. Especially when the engine

>     was hot and I

>     > had to stop for f.e. A traffic light, I got a lot of smoke

>     accelarating.

>     >

>     > It turned out that the (rubber) valve guide seals needed

>     replacement.

>     > Any serious mechanic should be able to do it and it is not too

>     expensive.

>     > My 1990 never smoked again, doesn?t burn any oil either.

>     >

>     > Kind regards,

>     > Ruud

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > Hi,

>     >   I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles paid $3K

>     and got

>     > four additional new tires on some fancy rims. It started right

>     away and

>     > and I test drove it and also followed behind while the seller

>     drove it.

>     > I did not see any smoke.

>     >   However in the mornings if I warm it up for about ten minutes it

>     > smokes quite a bit and also during stop and go driving.

>     >    My mechanic has since  tuned it up and it has passed MD

>     inspection,

>     > but the smoking persists.He  says he does not have the right

>     tools nor

>     > much  experience with mb to do a thorough job.

>     >   I am looking for a specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD

>     or DC.

>     > I will be greatful for any suggestions or  references. This car

>     really

>     > holds my fancy.

>     >   

>     >   Kind Regards,

>     >   Baldwin

>     >

>     >

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>     Message: 7

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:47:34 +0000

>     From: toelsner at comcast.net

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

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>     Hi Everybody,

>     I would like to present a different perspective on a topic raised

>     a few weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair

>     his existing 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage.

>     The consensus was either sell his and buy the other one or buy and

>     keep both.

>

>     My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily driver

>     and I have driven it to places and on job sites that would make

>     you cringe (me too on reflection and I should have told my former

>     employer where to go). It had finally gotten to the point where I

>     could no longer hold off on getting my valve guides & seals done

>     and repairing a broken sunroof rail. So I bit the bullet and drove

>     the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this site recommended

>     in the LA area. They test drove the car and this is what they came

>     up with in addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1

>     fuel pump leaking, idler control arm bushing (cause of my front

>     end creak) and gas door vacuum element (what fun when running on

>     empty and your gas door solenoid won't fully engage). The total

>     cost for all this, including tax, is around $5,300. I also had to

>     rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the afternoon before I

>     brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the heads done so I lost

>     a few days

>     ). fyi

>     ...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago and the timing belt and

>     tensioner have around 30k on them.

>

>     Now, should I have bagged the car and bought another one that

>     might have all the maintenance records etc. or am I better off

>     making the repairs to a car that once the repairs are made I know

>     what I have got. I still need to figure out why the AC belt keeps

>     shredding but once this is done, all I have left is some body work

>     and a new paint job and some leather repair. Frankly, I think the

>     wiser choice is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

>

>     I know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old

>     Volvo P1800 out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in

>     the US yet. I drove a Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and

>     digital readouts were in Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension

>     and this thing was getting 62mpg hwy driving. It didn't meet CA

>     emissions so Volvo won't sell it in the US yet. Gas version should

>     be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and the seat felt good with

>     enough legroom.

>

>     Tom Oelsner

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>     Message: 8

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:14 -0400

>     From: "Tad Heckaman" <douglash at gmail.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Another different perspective

>     To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     I hate to hijack your email, but I have the same problem... Fix

>     it, or get

>     rid of it.

>

>     I have a '82 380SEC, with unknown miles on it, although I am sure

>     its less

>     than 150k miles on it. I love driving the car (my first car with

>     more than 4

>     cylinders) and I would love to buy another one (maybe a little

>     newer...)

>

>     However, all the various little pieces of my car that don't work are

>     starting to bug me, and I don't have enough time or money to fix

>     them all. I

>     really would like to buy a newer model SEC, something with a

>     bigger engine,

>     and one that all the little things like power locks, fuel gauges, and

>     odometers work properly.

>     Finding a replacement SEC is going to be hard, and I suspect that

>     selling my

>     not-so-perfect SEC is going to be hard to do, which is why I keep

>     debating

>     about fixing it up, or selling it. Honestly, I am not looking to

>     get ALOT of

>     money from the car, I would be happy to just to get what I paid

>     for the car

>     a few months ago, or trade it in for something else (not sure if

>     anyone

>     would trade anything for a worn down 380SEC)

>     I was looking at the local auto listings, and don't see any SECs

>     for sale,

>     but I do see a couple SELs for sell. I have also been looking at

>     the 190e

>     cars, as they seem to be rather quick too (smaller engine, but

>     smaller car,

>     so probably goes quicker than

>     the 380SEC), but I really like the SEC, and having the bigger engine.

>

>     Right now I have parked the SEC and I am driving my '90 Camry

>     around, since

>     it has A/C, working radio, and everything works properly. In a

>     perfect world

>     I would like to sell both my SEC and Camry and buy a good

>     condition 560SEC,

>     but I am sure those cost quite a bit more than what I paid for my

>     existing

>     SEC.

>

>     Things that are broken/wrong:

>     Odo.meter stopped at 89 thousand miles

>     Power locks don't work (pump works, locks won't stop going up and

>     down)

>     Fuel gauge doesn't work

>     Back seats are not in the best condition, the tops of the seats

>     are tore up

>     No cruise control

>     No/minimal A/C (Still haven't bothered to recharge it, although I may

>     recharge it if I don't sell the car soon)

>     Engine has started running rough when its cold, sounds like my

>     injectors are

>     fouled up on a few cylinders.

>     -Since starting this email the third party radio in the car has

>     also stopped

>     working for some reason, so right now it doesn't even have a

>     working radio

>     in it.

>

>     When I purchased this car most of these issues existed, and I knew

>     about

>     most of them when I bought it. I don't even know if anyone would

>     buy this

>     car...

>

>     Any thoughts?

>

>     Tad

>

>

>     On 5/15/07, toelsner at comcast.net <toelsner at comcast.net> wrote:

>     >

>     > Hi Everybody,

>     > I would like to present a different perspective on a topic

>     raised a few

>     > weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair his

>     existing

>     > 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage. The

>     consensus was

>     > either sell his and buy the other one or buy and keep both.

>     >

>     > My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily

>     driver and I

>     > have driven it to places and on job sites that would make you

>     cringe (me too

>     > on reflection and I should have told my former employer where to

>     go). It had

>     > finally gotten to the point where I could no longer hold off on

>     getting my

>     > valve guides & seals done and repairing a broken sunroof rail.

>     So I bit the

>     > bullet and drove the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on

>     this site

>     > recommended in the LA area. They test drove the car and this is

>     what they

>     > came up with in addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking

>     radiator, 1 fuel

>     > pump leaking, idler control arm bushing (cause of my front end

>     creak) and

>     > gas door vacuum element (what fun when running on empty and your

>     gas door

>     > solenoid won't fully engage). The total cost for all this,

>     including tax, is

>     > around $5,300. I also had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my

>     luck the

>     > afternoon before I brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the

>     heads done

>     > so I lost a few d ays). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months

>     ago and the

>     > timing belt and tensioner have around 30k on them.

>     >

>     > Now, should I have bagged the car and bought another one that

>     might have

>     > all the maintenance records etc. or am I better off making the

>     repairs to a

>     > car that once the repairs are made I know what I have got. I

>     still need to

>     > figure out why the AC belt keeps shredding but once this is

>     done, all I have

>     > left is some body work and a new paint job and some leather

>     repair. Frankly,

>     > I think the wiser choice is to go with what I have and know.

>     Comments?

>     >

>     > I know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old

>     Volvo P1800

>     > out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in the US yet.

>     I drove a

>     > Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and digital readouts were in

>     > Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension and this thing was

>     getting 62mpg

>     > hwy driving. It didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo won't sell it

>     in the US

>     > yet. Gas version should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and

>     the seat felt

>     > good with enough legroom.

>     >

>     > Tom Oelsner

>     >

>     > The MB Coupes Website!

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>     Message: 9

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:35:53 -0400

>     From: "richard jaffe" <rsjaffe1 at msn.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box door latch

>     To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     John,

>

>     Very easy. Off tomorrow to the local MB bone yard for replacement

>     parts.

>

>     Thanks,

>

>     Rich Jaffe

>       ----- Original Message -----

>       From: John Conley<mailto:bigbux98us at yahoo.com>

>       To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>       Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:22 PM

>       Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box door latch

>

>

>       Richard,

>

>           Remove the screws that hold the inner panel and wood trim on

>     the glove box door and then you will see all of the lock mechanism

>     and which pieces need to be replaced.  It is very easy to replace

>     and can be done in minutes. 

>

>       Good Luck,

>

>       John

>

>       richard jaffe <rsjaffe1 at msn.com<mailto:rsjaffe1 at msn.com>> wrote:

>

>         ----- Original Message -----

>         From: richard jaffe<mailto:rsjaffe1 at msn.com>

>         To: mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM<mailto:mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM>

>         Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:29 PM

>         Subject: broken glove box door latch

>

>

>         Hello All,

>

>         The beveled pot metal latch that hooks to the vertical pin to

>     keep the door closed broke yesterday. Anyone know how the door

>     disassembles so as to replace this piece?

>

>         Thanks,

>

>         Rich Jaffe

>         85 500 SEC Euro 260K

>         83 300 SD  195K

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>

>

>       John C. Conley

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>     Message: 10

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:54:42 -0400

>     From: Dick Spellman <spell.yy at verizon.net>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>     Hi Tom:

>

>     With the repair dollar north of $5k and you'll still have more

>     issues to

>     work on (AC, other suspension components, etc.) I'd say hunt

>     another one

>     down if possible.  This comes from having purchased my share of

>     MB's all

>     of which needed my time and parts money.  Even with my time I average

>     $5k or more to restore an MB in good condition to start with.

>

>     Just my 2.  Happy hunting for that next SEC!

>

>     Dick

>

>     toelsner at comcast.net wrote:

>     > Hi Everybody,

>     > I would like to present a different perspective on a topic raised a

>     > few weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair

>     his

>     > existing 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage. The

>     > consensus was either sell his and buy the other one or buy and

>     keep both.

>     > 

>     > My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily

>     driver and

>     > I have driven it to places and on job sites that would make you

>     cringe

>     > (me too on reflection and I should have told my former employer

>     where

>     > to go). It had finally gotten to the point where I could no longer

>     > hold off on getting my valve guides & seals done and repairing a

>     > broken sunroof rail. So I bit the bullet and drove the car almost 3

>     > hours to a shop somebody on this site recommended in the LA

>     area. They

>     > test drove the car and this is what they came up with in

>     addition to

>     > the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1 fuel pump leaking,

>     idler

>     > control arm bushing (cause of my front end creak) and gas door

>     vacuum

>     > element (what fun when running on empty and your gas door solenoid

>     > won't fully engage). The total cost for all this, including tax, is

>     > around $5,300. I also had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my

>     luck the

>     > afternoon before I brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the

>     heads

>     > done so I lost a few d ays). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months

>     > ago and the timing belt and tensioner have around 30k on them.

>     > 

>     > Now, should I have bagged the car and bought another one that might

>     > have all the maintenance records etc. or am I better off making the

>     > repairs to a car that once the repairs are made I know what I have

>     > got. I still need to figure out why the AC belt keeps shredding but

>     > once this is done, all I have left is some body work and a new

>     paint

>     > job and some leather repair. Frankly, I think the wiser choice

>     is to

>     > go with what I have and know. Comments?

>     > 

>     > I know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old

>     Volvo

>     > P1800 out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in the US

>     yet.

>     > I drove a Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and digital

>     readouts

>     > were in Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension and this thing was

>     > getting 62mpg hwy driving. It didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo

>     won't

>     > sell it in the US yet. Gas version should be out first. I'm 6'2"

>     245

>     > pounds and the seat felt good with enough legroom.

>     > 

>     > Tom Oelsner

>     >

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>     Message: 11

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:09:00 -0400

>     From: Gary Green <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Now this is REALLY something!

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <48210.1179259740 at pop.purehost.com>

>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>

>     I would have loved to hold onto mine.  But alas, the flood waters

>     got'er a couple of years ago and I have been casting about looking

>     for a reasonably priced replacement ever since.  Just last week, I

>     thought, I found something to tie me over, a, supposedly, pristine

>     91 SEL, but even that fell through.

>

>     The search continues.

>

>

>     On Tue May 15  7:44 , Dawid Loubser <dawidl at solms.co.za> sent:

>

>     >I'm not sure if you know this, but this is actually a MB concept

>     car 

>     >that is more than 10 years old, it heavily influenced

>     >the design of the previous generation S-class, as can be seen by

>     the 

>     >headlights. It also heavily influenced the

>     >previous generation CL, as can be seen by the overall body shape

>     and 

>     >roofline.

>     >

>     >I never liked this concept car all that much, although certain 

>     >details are nice. But it is clearly not a typical Benz,

>     >just a bit of fun by their forward-thinking engineers and

>     stylists - 

>     >in an era where their design wasn't as forward-thinking

>     >as it used to be, IMHO.

>     >

>     >Dawid

>     >

>     >Somebody on this list once said that the SEC shape will age like

>     fine 

>     >wine, and I am tending to agree with it.

>     >Hang on to yours, in 10-20 years it'll be a highly desirable

>     classic 

>     >methinks.

>     >

>     >

>     >On 11 Mei 2007, at 4:10 nm., richard jaffe wrote:

>     >

>     >> Looks like the MB stylists have been overly influenced by the

>     "pimp 

>     >> my ride" mentality as promoted on shows like Unique Whips on

>     Speed 

>     >> Channel. The focus group apparently consisted of NBA players and 

>     >> Rap/Hip Hop "artists". Just goes to show how good the SEC design 

>     >> really is - thanks Bruno Sacco.

>     >>

>     >> Rich Jaffe

>     >> 85 500SEC Euro 260k

>     >> 83 300SD  194k

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>     Message: 12

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT)

>     From: John Conley <bigbux98us at yahoo.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box door latch

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <828690.55463.qm at web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>

>     Rich,

>

>        Glad I could help.  I am usually not so sure a car is worth

>     keeping and repairing as I am with the SEC's, but they usually are

>     and the repairs are usually so easy when at first they seem

>     complicated.  This forum is most helpful with just about anything

>     and there is a brother or sister here with answers if you've got

>     questions.  I was glad to be able to contribute something after

>     always asking for help. 

>

>     Take care

>

>     John Conley

>

>     richard jaffe <rsjaffe1 at msn.com> wrote:      John,

>      

>     Very easy. Off tomorrow to the local MB bone yard for replacement 

>     parts.

>      

>     Thanks,

>      

>     Rich Jaffe

>         ----- Original Message -----

>        From: John    Conley

>        To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>        Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:22 PM

>        Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken    glove box door latch

>       

>

>     Richard,

>

>         Remove the screws that hold    the inner panel and wood trim

>     on the glove box door and then you will see all    of the lock

>     mechanism and which pieces need to be replaced.  It is very   

>     easy to replace and can be done in minutes. 

>

>     Good    Luck,

>

>     John

>

>     richard jaffe <rsjaffe1 at msn.com> wrote:                         

>          -----      Original Message -----      From: richard jaffe

>          To: mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM

>          Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:29 PM

>          Subject: broken glove box door latch

>

>         

>

>          Hello All,

>          

>          The beveled pot metal latch that hooks to the vertical pin to

>     keep      the door closed broke yesterday. Anyone know how the

>     door disassembles so as      to replace this piece?

>          

>          Thanks,

>          

>          Rich Jaffe

>          85 500 SEC Euro 260K

>          83 300 SD  195K

>

>     The MB Coupes      Website!

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>

>

>     John C. Conley      

>

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>     Message: 13

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:19:01 -0500

>     From: "Richard Hogarth" <R_Hogarth at Foundrycove.com>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>     To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>

>     Yeah! SAAB Sonnets and Volvo P1800s.

>     What a noisy rough ride- But fun as hell!

>     -RPH

>

>     From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>     [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>     On Behalf Of toelsner at comcast.net

>     Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:48 PM

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>

>     Hi Everybody,

>     I would like to present a different perspective on a topic raised

>     a few

>     weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair his

>     existing

>     560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage. The consensus was

>     either sell his and buy the other one or buy and keep both.

>

>     My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily driver

>     and I have

>     driven it to places and on job sites that would make you cringe

>     (me too on

>     reflection and I should have told my former employer where to go).

>     It had

>     finally gotten to the point where I could no longer hold off on

>     getting my

>     valve guides & seals done and repairing a broken sunroof rail. So

>     I bit the

>     bullet and drove the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this

>     site

>     recommended in the LA area. They test drove the car and this is

>     what they

>     came up with in addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking

>     radiator, 1 fuel

>     pump leaking, idler control arm bushing (cause of my front end

>     creak) and

>     gas door vacuum element (what fun when running on empty and your

>     gas door

>     solenoid won't fully engage). The total cost for all this,

>     including tax, is

>     around $5,300. I also had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the

>     afternoon before I brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the

>     heads done

>     so I lost a few d ays). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago

>     and the

>     timing belt and tensioner have around 30k on them.

>

>     Now, should I have bagged the car and bought another one that

>     might have all

>     the maintenance records etc. or am I better off making the repairs

>     to a car

>     that once the repairs are made I know what I have got. I still need to

>     figure out why the AC belt keeps shredding but once this is done,

>     all I have

>     left is some body work and a new paint job and some leather

>     repair. Frankly,

>     I think the wiser choice is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

>

>     I know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old

>     Volvo P1800

>     out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in the US yet. I

>     drove a

>     Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and digital readouts were in

>     Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension and this thing was

>     getting 62mpg

>     hwy driving. It didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo won't sell it in

>     the US

>     yet. Gas version should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and the

>     seat felt

>     good with enough legroom.

>

>     Tom Oelsner

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>     Message: 14

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:28:54 +0200

>     From: "kent kihl" <kzkihl at netactive.co.za>

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] P1800 ES

>     To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <20070515212839.21FE8205C at ctb-mesg5.saix.net>

>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>

>

>

>     Well

>

>     I did have a P1800 ES, steel metallic, red leather 1962 I think,

>     in pristine

>     condition, which was in the late 80's, moved to England and left

>     it with a

>     'friend' it was not far from a wreck when I sold two years later,

>     there's a

>     few ones here in Cape Town, but have never seen the ES version.

>     Motostars

>     got a red 1965 for R190.000, USD 27.000

>

>     Kent

>

>     560 SEC 1989

>

>     Grand Cherokee Ltd Crd 2004

>

>     Saab 9.5 SE 1999

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>     Message: 15

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:49:38 -0700 (PDT)

>     From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] parts

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <30034.3700.qm at web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>

>

>     thanks for calling back...i don't know if your read your email

>     from your website...i left one explaining that all was ok.  don't

>     know what happened but took it all apart and did the tranny refill

>     and everything worked.

>       

>       your msg wasn't a good connection on my phone so i was wondering

>     did you say the tranny pan had a drain plug?  when i did take it

>     off i did see it had a bolt on the inside of the pan but i

>     couldn't see how to access it from the outside of the pan. 

>       

>       also was wondering what a monovalve would cost. for and 88 560

>     sec.  also i have squeaking in the front suspension and on the

>     outside of the left front tire is worn.  i'm thinking ball

>     joints?  what do you think

>       

>       thanks

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>     Message: 16

>     Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:58:27 -0400

>     From: "Louis Miller" <millerlh at earthlink.net>

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>     To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>     Message-ID: <410-22007521521582760 at earthlink.net>

>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>

>     Wow! A lot in common on this site. I know this is a pretty much

>     dedicated site, but:

>

>     Due mainly to age, I've owned a lot of cars that I wish I still

>     had, but the one I still pine for is my red, 1962 P1800 (body by

>     Jensen) that I traded, like a dolt, on a new, "cool" 1972 Javelin

>     because I had just received my first livable pay check!

>

>     I've had my eyeball on a red 1965 for a couple of years now, owned

>     and restored by one of my high school classmates, but can't shake

>     him loose.

>

>     If anyone else has any interest in the P1800, there is a mechanic

>     who specializes in restoring and just fixing them on Route 32 in

>     Ottsville, PA, between Riegelsville and Easton PA.

>

>     On a more appropriate note, my SEC just passed NJ inspection and I

>     am now relatively free from worry.

>

>     Enjoy the warm weather, those of you who are on the East Coast, USA.

>

>     Lou Miller

>

>

>     ----- Original Message -----

>     From: Richard Hogarth

>     To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>     Sent: 5/15/07 5:17:25 PM

>     Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>

>

>     Yeah! SAAB Sonnets and Volvo P1800s.

>     What a noisy rough ride- But fun as hell!

>     -RPH

>

>     From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

>     [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of

>     toelsner at comcast.net

>     Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:48 PM

>     To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>     Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective

>

>     Hi Everybody,

>     I would like to present a different perspective on a topic raised

>     a few weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair

>     his existing 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage.

>     The consensus was either sell his and buy the other one or buy and

>     keep both.

>

>     My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily driver

>     and I have driven it to places and on job sites that would make

>     you cringe (me too on reflection and I should have told my former

>     employer where to go). It had finally gotten to the point where I

>     could no longer hold off on getting my valve guides & seals done

>     and repairing a broken sunroof rail. So I bit the bullet and drove

>     the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this site recommended

>     in the LA area. They test drove the car and this is what they came

>     up with in addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1

>     fuel pump leaking, idler control arm bushing (cause of my front

>     end creak) and gas door vacuum element (what fun when running on

>     empty and your gas door solenoid won't fully engage). The total

>     cost for all this, including tax, is around $5,300. I also had to

>     rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the afternoon before I

>     brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the heads done so I lost

>     a few d ay

>     s). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago and the timing belt

>     and tensioner have around 30k on them.

>

>     Now, should I have bagged the car and bought another one that

>     might have all the maintenance records etc. or am I better off

>     making the repairs to a car that once the repairs are made I know

>     what I have got. I still need to figure out why the AC belt keeps

>     shredding but once this is done, all I have left is some body work

>     and a new paint job and some leather repair. Frankly, I think the

>     wiser choice is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

>

>     I know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old

>     Volvo P1800 out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in

>     the US yet. I drove a Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and

>     digital readouts were in Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension

>     and this thing was getting 62mpg hwy driving. It didn't meet CA

>     emissions so Volvo won't sell it in the US yet. Gas version should

>     be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and the seat felt good with

>     enough legroom.

>

>     Tom Oelsner

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Hi Willard, good to see you on the site. It's interesting, the Volvo ES 
is one of my favorite cars. Never owned one but a roommate did.  I saw 
there is a fellow , Tom, from Houston (The Woodlands) as well on the 
site. We should meet for coffee one Saturday. Anyone else in the Houston 
area out there?

Doug
90 560 SEC
80 280 CE