[W126 Coupe] P1800 ES

[Willardtredway at aol.com]

I bought a new 1800 ES in about 1972...bright lemon yellow with black  
interior. It would have been a perfect car if Volvo had jacked the body up and  
installed a BMW 2002 motor, transmission, chassis and running gear under it  
instead of the tractor motor, transmission, and suspension they did install.  
Always made heads turn but rough riding and tiring to drive on long trips.
 
Willard Tredway
 
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1. Re:  smoking (Shayegan, Richard)
2. Re: smoking (Hugh  MacGregor)
3. Re: smoking (Joseph Schumann)
4.  Re: smoking (Jonathan Hodgman)
5. Re: Now this is REALLY  something! (Dawid Loubser)
6. Re: smoking (Ruud  Schuijt)
7. A different perspective  (toelsner at comcast.net)
8. Re: Another different perspective  (Tad Heckaman)
9. Re: Fw: broken glove box door latch (richard  jaffe)
10. Re: A different perspective (Dick Spellman)
11.  Re: Now this is REALLY something! (Gary Green)
12. Re: Fw: broken  glove box door latch (John Conley)
13. Re: A different perspective  (Richard Hogarth)
14. P1800 ES (kent kihl)
15. parts  (Gary)
16. Re: A different perspective (Louis  Miller)


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Message:  1
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard"  <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking
To:  Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Mitch Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a  slow connection or I'd look it up
for you, but I know it comes up on  yellowpages.com). It's about 2 miles
from White Flint Mall. They only do MB  there and they do it  well.


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From:  mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On  Behalf Of Baldwin Williams
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45  PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126  Coupe] smoking


Hi,
I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles  paid $3K
and got 
four additional new tires on some fancy  rims. It started right
away and 
and I test drove it and  also followed behind while the seller
drove it. 
I did not  see any smoke. 
However in the mornings if I warm it  up for about ten minutes
it 
smokes quite a bit and also  during stop and go driving.
My mechanic has  since  tuned it up and it has passed MD
inspection, 
but the smoking persists.He  says he does not have the right
tools nor  
much  experience with mb to do a thorough  job.
I am looking for a specialist in my neck of the  woods, VA, MD
or DC. 
I will be greatful for any  suggestions or  references. This car
really 
holds my  fancy.

Kind  Regards,
Baldwin


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Message:  2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 02:37:35 +0000
From: Hugh MacGregor  <hugh587 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking
To:  Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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If it's a 1991 it's old enough to  smoke!

Hugh86560sec


Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08  -0400From: rishayegan at davidson.eduTo: 
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126  Coupe] smoking

Mitch Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a slow connection or  I'd look it up for 
you, but I know it comes up on yellowpages.com). It's about  2 miles from White 
Flint Mall. They only do MB there and they do it  well.



From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com  [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] 
On Behalf Of Baldwin WilliamsSent:  Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45 PMTo: 
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: [W126 Coupe]  smoking
Hi,  I recently purchased a 1991 560sec with 130K miles paid  $3K and got 
four additional new tires on some fancy rims. It started right  away and and I 
test drove it and also followed behind while the seller drove  it. I did not see 
any smoke.   However in the mornings if I warm it  up for about ten minutes 
it smokes quite a bit and also during stop and go  driving.   My mechanic has 
since  tuned it up and it has passed  MD inspection, but the smoking 
persists.He  says he does not have the  right tools nor much  experience with mb to do a 
thorough job.  I am  looking for a specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD 
or DC. I will be  greatful for any suggestions or  references. This car 
really holds my  fancy.     Kind Regards,   Baldwin
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Message:  3
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Schumann  <capt_jschumann at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking
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Try leaning out the fuel distributor  just a bit.....esp if hard starting

Hugh MacGregor  <hugh587 at hotmail.com> wrote:    P { margin:0px; padding:0px } 
 body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }  If it's a 1991 it's old  
enough to smoke!

Hugh86560sec





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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:08  -0400
From: rishayegan at davidson.edu
To:  mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking

Mitch  Carr's in Kensington (I'm on a slow connection or I'd look it up for 
you, but  I know it comes up on yellowpages.com). It's about 2 miles from White 
Flint  Mall. They only do MB there and they do it well.


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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com  [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] 
On Behalf Of Baldwin Williams
Sent:  Monday, May 14, 2007 9:45 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126  Coupe] smoking



Hi,
I recently purchased a 1991 560sec  with 130K miles paid $3K and got 
four additional new tires on some fancy  rims. It started right away and 
and I test drove it and also followed  behind while the seller drove it. 
I did not see any smoke. 
However in the mornings if I warm it up for about ten minutes it 
smokes  quite a bit and also during stop and go driving.
My mechanic  has since  tuned it up and it has passed MD inspection, 
but the  smoking persists.He  says he does not have the right tools nor  
much  experience with mb to do a thorough job.
I am looking  for a specialist in my neck of the woods, VA, MD or DC. 
I will be greatful  for any suggestions or  references. This car really 
holds my  fancy.

Kind Regards,
Baldwin


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Message:  4
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:32:22 -0400
From: "Jonathan Hodgman"  <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking
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I'll assume this is  blue smoke, in which case @ 130K your valve guides have
either led a Very  hard life or your valve guide seals are spent.

FYI, letting the car  idle to warm up is nothing but tough on the engine and
an utter waste of  resources.  The ICE is Very inefficient at idle.

What weight oil  are you running?



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1996 S600  Euro "Scharnhorst"
1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE
1991 560 SEC  226Hp/271ft/lbs:)
1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295)
1987 560 SEC US  Spec
1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V
1986 560 SL  White on  Burgundy
1985 500 SEL Euro (Parts Car)
1985 300 CD For Sale
1980 280  SE Euro
1978 300D TMU
1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray  RIP:(
1987 560 SEC Sold
1992 E300D 140K Champagne on Parchment tex  (Sold)
1990 560 SEC 154K Anthracite on Gray (Sold)
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Message:  5
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:44:56 +0200
From: Dawid Loubser  <dawidl at solms.co.za>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Now this is REALLY  something!
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I'm not sure if  you know this, but this is actually a MB concept car  
that is more  than 10 years old, it heavily influenced
the design of the previous  generation S-class, as can be seen by the  
headlights. It also  heavily influenced the
previous generation CL, as can be seen by the  overall body shape and  
roofline.

I never liked this concept  car all that much, although certain  
details are nice. But it is  clearly not a typical Benz,
just a bit of fun by their forward-thinking  engineers and stylists -  
in an era where their design wasn't as  forward-thinking
as it used to be, IMHO.

Dawid

Somebody on  this list once said that the SEC shape will age like fine  
wine, and  I am tending to agree with it.
Hang on to yours, in 10-20 years it'll be a  highly desirable classic  
methinks.


On 11 Mei 2007, at  4:10 nm., richard jaffe wrote:


> Looks like the MB stylists have  been overly influenced by the "pimp  

> my ride" mentality as  promoted on shows like Unique Whips on Speed  

> Channel. The focus  group apparently consisted of NBA players and  

> Rap/Hip Hop  "artists". Just goes to show how good the SEC design  

> really is  - thanks Bruno Sacco.

>

> Rich Jaffe

> 85 500SEC Euro  260k

> 83 300SD   194k



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Message: 6
Date: Tue,  15 May 2007 09:17:09 +0200
From: Ruud Schuijt  <tejo at xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoking
To: Mercedes  Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> 

> 

> 

> I had exactly the  same with my 1990. Especially when the engine was hot 

and I

> had to  stop for f.e. A traffic light, I got a lot of smoke accelarating.

>  

> It turned out that the (rubber) valve guide seals needed  replacement.

> Any serious mechanic should be able to do it and it is  not too expensive.

> My 1990 never smoked again, doesn?t burn any oil  either.

> 

> Kind regards,

> Ruud

> 

> 

>  

> 

> 

> Hi,

>   I recently purchased a 1991  560sec with 130K miles paid $3K and got

> four additional new tires on  some fancy rims. It started right away and

> and I test drove it and  also followed behind while the seller drove it.

> I did not see any  smoke.

>   However in the mornings if I warm it up for about  ten minutes it

> smokes quite a bit and also during stop and go  driving.

>    My mechanic has since  tuned it up and it  has passed MD inspection,

> but the smoking persists.He  says he  does not have the right tools nor

> much  experience with mb to do  a thorough job.

>   I am looking for a specialist in my neck  of the woods, VA, MD or DC.

> I will be greatful for any suggestions  or  references. This car really

> holds my fancy.

>   

>   Kind Regards,

>   Baldwin

>  

> 

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Message:  7
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:47:34 +0000
From:  toelsner at comcast.net
Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective
To:  mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hi  Everybody,
I would like to present a different perspective on a topic  raised a few 
weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair his  existing 560SEC 
or buy another one for $5k with less mileage. The consensus  was either sell 
his and buy the other one or buy and keep both. 

My '90  560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily driver and I have 
driven  it to places and on job sites that would make you cringe (me too on 
reflection  and I should have told my former employer where to go). It had 
finally gotten  to the point where I could no longer hold off on getting my valve 
guides &  seals done and repairing a broken sunroof rail. So I bit the bullet 
and drove  the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this site recommended 
in the LA  area. They test drove the car and this is what they came up with in 
addition  to the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1 fuel pump leaking, 
idler  control arm bushing (cause of my front end creak) and gas door vacuum 
element  (what fun when running on empty and your gas door solenoid won't fully  
engage). The total cost for all this, including tax, is around $5,300. I also 
 had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the afternoon before I brought 
it  in a Jag was towed in needing the heads done so I lost a few days
).  fyi
...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago and the timing belt and  tensioner 
have around 30k on them.

Now, should I have bagged the car  and bought another one that might have all 
the maintenance records etc. or am  I better off making the repairs to a car 
that once the repairs are made I know  what I have got. I still need to figure 
out why the AC belt keeps shredding  but once this is done, all I have left 
is some body work and a new paint job  and some leather repair. Frankly, I 
think the wiser choice is to go with what  I have and know. Comments?

I know this is a MB site, but if there are  any fans of the old Volvo P1800 
out there, the new C30 is awesome..not  available in the US yet. I drove a 
Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and  digital readouts were in 
Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension and this  thing was getting 62mpg hwy driving. It 
didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo  won't sell it in the US yet. Gas version 
should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245  pounds and the seat felt good with enough 
legroom.

Tom  Oelsner
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Message:  8
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:14 -0400
From: "Tad Heckaman"  <douglash at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Another different  perspective
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I hate to hijack your  email, but I have the same problem... Fix it, or get
rid of it.

I  have a '82 380SEC, with unknown miles on it, although I am sure its  less
than 150k miles on it. I love driving the car (my first car with more  than 4
cylinders) and I would love to buy another one (maybe a little  newer...)

However, all the various little pieces of my car that don't  work are
starting to bug me, and I don't have enough time or money to fix  them all. I
really would like to buy a newer model SEC, something with a  bigger engine,
and one that all the little things like power locks, fuel  gauges, and
odometers work properly.
Finding a replacement SEC is going  to be hard, and I suspect that selling my
not-so-perfect SEC is going to be  hard to do, which is why I keep debating
about fixing it up, or selling it.  Honestly, I am not looking to get ALOT of
money from the car, I would be  happy to just to get what I paid for the car
a few months ago, or trade it  in for something else (not sure if anyone
would trade anything for a worn  down 380SEC)
I was looking at the local auto listings, and don't see any  SECs for sale,
but I do see a couple SELs for sell. I have also been  looking at the 190e
cars, as they seem to be rather quick too (smaller  engine, but smaller car,
so probably goes quicker than
the 380SEC), but  I really like the SEC, and having the bigger engine.

Right now I have  parked the SEC and I am driving my '90 Camry around, since
it has A/C,  working radio, and everything works properly. In a perfect world
I would  like to sell both my SEC and Camry and buy a good condition 560SEC,
but I  am sure those cost quite a bit more than what I paid for my  existing
SEC.

Things that are broken/wrong:
Odo.meter stopped at  89 thousand miles
Power locks don't work (pump works, locks won't stop  going up and down)
Fuel gauge doesn't work
Back seats are not in the  best condition, the tops of the seats are tore up
No cruise  control
No/minimal A/C (Still haven't bothered to recharge it, although I  may
recharge it if I don't sell the car soon)
Engine has started running  rough when its cold, sounds like my injectors are
fouled up on a few  cylinders.
-Since starting this email the third party radio in the car has  also stopped
working for some reason, so right now it doesn't even have a  working radio
in it.

When I purchased this car most of these issues  existed, and I knew about
most of them when I bought it. I don't even know  if anyone would buy this
car...

Any  thoughts?

Tad


On 5/15/07, toelsner at comcast.net  <toelsner at comcast.net> wrote:

>

> Hi Everybody,

> I  would like to present a different perspective on a topic raised a few

>  weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should repair his  existing

> 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less mileage. The  consensus was

> either sell his and buy the other one or buy and keep  both.

>

> My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my  daily driver and I

> have driven it to places and on job sites that  would make you cringe (me 

too

> on reflection and I should have told my  former employer where to go). It 

had

> finally gotten to the point where  I could no longer hold off on getting my

> valve guides & seals done  and repairing a broken sunroof rail. So I bit the

> bullet and drove the  car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this site

> recommended in the  LA area. They test drove the car and this is what they

> came up with in  addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1 

fuel

> pump  leaking, idler control arm bushing (cause of my front end creak) and

>  gas door vacuum element (what fun when running on empty and your gas  door

> solenoid won't fully engage). The total cost for all this,  including tax, 

is

> around $5,300. I also had to rent a car for 3 weeks  (just my luck the

> afternoon before I brought it in a Jag was towed in  needing the heads done

> so I lost a few d ays). fyi...Alternator was  replaced 2 months ago and the

> timing belt and tensioner have around  30k on them.

>

> Now, should I have bagged the car and bought  another one that might have

> all the maintenance records etc. or am I  better off making the repairs to a

> car that once the repairs are made  I know what I have got. I still need to

> figure out why the AC belt  keeps shredding but once this is done, all I 

have

> left is some body  work and a new paint job and some leather repair. 

Frankly,

> I think the  wiser choice is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

>

> I  know this is a MB site, but if there are any fans of the old Volvo  P1800

> out there, the new C30 is awesome..not available in the US yet.  I drove a

> Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all nomenclature and digital readouts  were in

> Swedish)..great pickup, solid suspension and this thing was  getting 62mpg

> hwy driving. It didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo won't  sell it in the US

> yet. Gas version should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245  pounds and the seat felt

> good with enough legroom.

>

> Tom  Oelsner

>

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>




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Message:  9
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:35:53 -0400
From: "richard jaffe"  <rsjaffe1 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box  door latch
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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John,

Very easy. Off tomorrow  to the local MB bone yard for replacement parts.

Thanks,

Rich  Jaffe 
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From: John  Conley<mailto:bigbux98us at yahoo.com> 
To: Mercedes Coupes  Mailing Lists<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com> 
Sent: Sunday, May  13, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box door  latch


Richard, 

Remove the  screws that hold the inner panel and wood trim on the glove box 
door and then  you will see all of the lock mechanism and which pieces need to 
be  replaced.  It is very easy to replace and can be done in minutes.   

Good Luck,

John

richard jaffe  <rsjaffe1 at msn.com<mailto:rsjaffe1 at msn.com>> wrote: 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: richard  jaffe<mailto:rsjaffe1 at msn.com> 
To:  mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM<mailto:mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM> 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: broken glove box  door latch


Hello All,

The  beveled pot metal latch that hooks to the vertical pin to keep the door 
closed  broke yesterday. Anyone know how the door disassembles so as to 
replace this  piece?

Thanks,

Rich Jaffe
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83 300 SD  195K 
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Message:  10
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:54:42 -0400
From: Dick Spellman  <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different  perspective
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Hi Tom:

With the repair dollar  north of $5k and you'll still have more issues to 
work on (AC, other  suspension components, etc.) I'd say hunt another one 
down if  possible.  This comes from having purchased my share of MB's all 
of  which needed my time and parts money.  Even with my time I average  
$5k or more to restore an MB in good condition to start with.

Just  my 2.  Happy hunting for that next  SEC!

Dick

toelsner at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi  Everybody,

> I would like to present a different perspective on a topic  raised a 

> few weeks ago. A person was trying to decide if he should  repair his 

> existing 560SEC or buy another one for $5k with less  mileage. The 

> consensus was either sell his and buy the other one or  buy and keep both.

>  

> My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles  on it. It is my daily driver and 

> I have driven it to places and on  job sites that would make you cringe 

> (me too on reflection and I  should have told my former employer where 

> to go). It had finally  gotten to the point where I could no longer 

> hold off on getting my  valve guides & seals done and repairing a 

> broken sunroof rail. So  I bit the bullet and drove the car almost 3 

> hours to a shop somebody  on this site recommended in the LA area. They 

> test drove the car and  this is what they came up with in addition to 

> the valves and sunroof:  leaking radiator, 1 fuel pump leaking, idler 

> control arm bushing  (cause of my front end creak) and gas door vacuum 

> element (what fun  when running on empty and your gas door solenoid 

> won't fully engage).  The total cost for all this, including tax, is 

> around $5,300. I also  had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the 

> afternoon before I  brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the heads 

> done so I lost a  few d ays). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months 

> ago and the timing  belt and tensioner have around 30k on them.

>  

> Now, should  I have bagged the car and bought another one that might 

> have all the  maintenance records etc. or am I better off making the 

> repairs to a  car that once the repairs are made I know what I have 

> got. I still  need to figure out why the AC belt keeps shredding but 

> once this is  done, all I have left is some body work and a new paint 

> job and some  leather repair. Frankly, I think the wiser choice is to 

> go with what  I have and know. Comments?

>  

> I know this is a MB site,  but if there are any fans of the old Volvo 

> P1800 out there, the new  C30 is awesome..not available in the US yet. 

> I drove a Turbo Diesel 5  speed (all nomenclature and digital readouts 

> were in Swedish)..great  pickup, solid suspension and this thing was 

> getting 62mpg hwy  driving. It didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo won't 

> sell it in the US  yet. Gas version should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 

> pounds and the  seat felt good with enough legroom.

>  

> Tom Oelsner

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>

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Message:  11
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:09:00 -0400
From: Gary Green  <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Now this is  REALLY something!
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I would have loved to hold onto mine.  But  alas, the flood waters got'er a 
couple of years ago and I have been casting  about looking for a reasonably 
priced replacement ever since.  Just last  week, I thought, I found something to 
tie me over, a, supposedly, pristine 91  SEL, but even that fell through.

The search continues.


On  Tue May 15  7:44 , Dawid Loubser <dawidl at solms.co.za>  sent:


>I'm not sure if you know this, but this is actually a MB  concept car  

>that is more than 10 years old, it heavily  influenced

>the design of the previous generation S-class, as can be  seen by the  

>headlights. It also heavily influenced  the

>previous generation CL, as can be seen by the overall body shape  and  

>roofline.

>

>I never liked this concept car all  that much, although certain  

>details are nice. But it is clearly  not a typical Benz,

>just a bit of fun by their forward-thinking  engineers and stylists -  

>in an era where their design wasn't as  forward-thinking

>as it used to be,  IMHO.

>

>Dawid

>

>Somebody on this list once said that  the SEC shape will age like fine  

>wine, and I am tending to agree  with it.

>Hang on to yours, in 10-20 years it'll be a highly desirable  classic  

>methinks.

>

>

>On 11 Mei 2007, at 4:10  nm., richard jaffe wrote:

>

>> Looks like the MB stylists have  been overly influenced by the "pimp  

>> my ride" mentality as  promoted on shows like Unique Whips on Speed  

>> Channel. The  focus group apparently consisted of NBA players and  

>> Rap/Hip  Hop "artists". Just goes to show how good the SEC design  

>>  really is - thanks Bruno Sacco.

>>

>> Rich Jaffe

>>  85 500SEC Euro 260k

>> 83 300SD  194k

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Message:  12
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Conley  <bigbux98us at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken glove box  door latch
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <828690.55463.qm at web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Rich, 

Glad I  could help.  I am usually not so sure a car is worth keeping and  
repairing as I am with the SEC's, but they usually are and the repairs are  
usually so easy when at first they seem complicated.  This forum is most  helpful 
with just about anything and there is a brother or sister here with  answers if 
you've got questions.  I was glad to be able to contribute  something after 
always asking for help.  

Take care

John  Conley

richard jaffe <rsjaffe1 at msn.com> wrote:     John,

Very easy. Off tomorrow to the local MB bone yard  for replacement  parts.

Thanks,

Rich Jaffe  
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  John    Conley 
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists  
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject:  Re: [W126 Coupe] Fw: broken    glove box door latch


Richard, 

Remove the screws that hold   the inner panel and wood trim on the glove box 
door and then you will  see all    of the lock mechanism and which pieces need 
to be  replaced.  It is very    easy to replace and can be done in  minutes.  

Good    Luck,

John

richard  jaffe <rsjaffe1 at msn.com> wrote:             
-----      Original Message -----      From:  richard jaffe 
To: mbCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: broken glove box door latch



Hello All,

The  beveled pot metal latch that hooks to the vertical pin to keep     the 
door closed broke yesterday. Anyone know how the door disassembles  so as      
to replace this piece?

Thanks,

Rich Jaffe
85 500 SEC Euro 260K
83 300 SD  195K 

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Message:  13
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:19:01 -0500
From: "Richard Hogarth"  <R_Hogarth at Foundrycove.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different  perspective
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'"  <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Yeah! SAAB Sonnets and Volvo P1800s. 
What a  noisy rough ride- But fun as hell!
-RPH

From:  mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On  Behalf Of toelsner at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:48 PM
To:  mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different  perspective

Hi Everybody,
I would like to present a different  perspective on a topic raised a few
weeks ago. A person was trying to  decide if he should repair his existing
560SEC or buy another one for $5k  with less mileage. The consensus was
either sell his and buy the other one  or buy and keep both. 

My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It  is my daily driver and I have
driven it to places and on job sites that  would make you cringe (me too on
reflection and I should have told my  former employer where to go). It had
finally gotten to the point where I  could no longer hold off on getting my
valve guides & seals done and  repairing a broken sunroof rail. So I bit the
bullet and drove the car  almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on this site
recommended in the LA area.  They test drove the car and this is what they
came up with in addition to  the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1 fuel
pump leaking, idler  control arm bushing (cause of my front end creak) and
gas door vacuum  element (what fun when running on empty and your gas door
solenoid won't  fully engage). The total cost for all this, including tax, is
around  $5,300. I also had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the
afternoon  before I brought it in a Jag was towed in needing the heads done
so I lost  a few d ays). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago and the
timing  belt and tensioner have around 30k on them.

Now, should I have bagged  the car and bought another one that might have all
the maintenance records  etc. or am I better off making the repairs to a car
that once the repairs  are made I know what I have got. I still need to
figure out why the AC belt  keeps shredding but once this is done, all I have
left is some body work  and a new paint job and some leather repair. Frankly,
I think the wiser  choice is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

I know this is a  MB site, but if there are any fans of the old Volvo P1800
out there, the  new C30 is awesome..not available in the US yet. I drove a
Turbo Diesel 5  speed (all nomenclature and digital readouts were in
Swedish)..great  pickup, solid suspension and this thing was getting 62mpg
hwy driving. It  didn't meet CA emissions so Volvo won't sell it in the US
yet. Gas version  should be out first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and the seat felt
good with enough  legroom.

Tom Oelsner
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Message:  14
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:28:54 +0200
From: "kent kihl"  <kzkihl at netactive.co.za>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] P1800 ES
To:  "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Well

I did have a P1800  ES, steel metallic, red leather 1962 I think, in pristine
condition, which  was in the late 80's, moved to England and left it with a
'friend' it was  not far from a wreck when I sold two years later, there's a
few ones here  in Cape Town, but have never seen the ES version. Motostars
got a red 1965  for R190.000, USD 27.000

Kent

560 SEC 1989

Grand Cherokee  Ltd Crd 2004

Saab 9.5 SE 1999

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Message:  15
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:49:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary  <garysalas at yahoo.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] parts
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thanks for calling back...i don't know if your  read your email from your 
website...i left one explaining that all was  ok.  don't know what happened but 
took it all apart and did the tranny  refill and everything worked.

your msg wasn't a  good connection on my phone so i was wondering did you say 
the tranny pan had  a drain plug?  when i did take it off i did see it had a 
bolt on the  inside of the pan but i couldn't see how to access it from the 
outside of the  pan.  

also was wondering what a monovalve  would cost. for and 88 560 sec.  also i 
have squeaking in the front  suspension and on the outside of the left front 
tire is worn.  i'm  thinking ball joints?  what do you think

thanks
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Message:  16
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:58:27 -0400
From: "Louis Miller"  <millerlh at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] A different  perspective
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Wow! A lot in common on this site. I know this is a  pretty much dedicated 
site, but:

Due mainly to age, I've owned a lot of  cars that I wish I still had, but the 
one I still pine for is my red, 1962  P1800 (body by Jensen) that I traded, 
like a dolt, on a new, "cool" 1972  Javelin because I had just received my 
first livable pay check!

I've  had my eyeball on a red 1965 for a couple of years now, owned and 
restored by  one of my high school classmates, but can't shake him loose.

If anyone  else has any interest in the P1800, there is a mechanic who 
specializes in  restoring and just fixing them on Route 32 in Ottsville, PA, between 
 Riegelsville and Easton PA. 

On a more appropriate note, my SEC just  passed NJ inspection and I am now 
relatively free from worry.

Enjoy the  warm weather, those of you who are on the East Coast, USA.

Lou  Miller


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Richard Hogarth  
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: 5/15/07 5:17:25 PM 
Subject:  Re: [W126 Coupe] A different perspective


Yeah! SAAB Sonnets and  Volvo P1800s. 
What a noisy rough ride- But fun as  hell!
-RPH

From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com  [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] 
On Behalf Of  toelsner at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:48 PM
To:  mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] A different  perspective

Hi Everybody,
I would like to present a different  perspective on a topic raised a few 
weeks ago. A person was trying to decide  if he should repair his existing 560SEC 
or buy another one for $5k with less  mileage. The consensus was either sell 
his and buy the other one or buy and  keep both. 

My '90 560SEC has 177k of HARD miles on it. It is my daily  driver and I have 
driven it to places and on job sites that would make you  cringe (me too on 
reflection and I should have told my former employer where  to go). It had 
finally gotten to the point where I could no longer hold off on  getting my valve 
guides & seals done and repairing a broken sunroof rail.  So I bit the bullet 
and drove the car almost 3 hours to a shop somebody on  this site recommended 
in the LA area. They test drove the car and this is what  they came up with in 
addition to the valves and sunroof: leaking radiator, 1  fuel pump leaking, 
idler control arm bushing (cause of my front end creak) and  gas door vacuum 
element (what fun when running on empty and your gas door  solenoid won't fully 
engage). The total cost for all this, including tax, is  around $5,300. I also 
had to rent a car for 3 weeks (just my luck the  afternoon before I brought 
it in a Jag was towed in needing the heads done so  I lost a few d ay
s). fyi...Alternator was replaced 2 months ago and the  timing belt and 
tensioner have around 30k on them.

Now, should I have  bagged the car and bought another one that might have all 
the maintenance  records etc. or am I better off making the repairs to a car 
that once the  repairs are made I know what I have got. I still need to figure 
out why the AC  belt keeps shredding but once this is done, all I have left 
is some body work  and a new paint job and some leather repair. Frankly, I 
think the wiser choice  is to go with what I have and know. Comments?

I know this is a MB site,  but if there are any fans of the old Volvo P1800 
out there, the new C30 is  awesome..not available in the US yet. I drove a 
Turbo Diesel 5 speed (all  nomenclature and digital readouts were in 
Swedish)..great pickup, solid  suspension and this thing was getting 62mpg hwy driving. It 
didn't meet CA  emissions so Volvo won't sell it in the US yet. Gas version 
should be out  first. I'm 6'2" 245 pounds and the seat felt good with enough  
legroom.

Tom Oelsner
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