[W126 Coupe] Summer Meet.

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The 14th of July works best for me. To many things going on later in 
July.

Greg


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Today's Topics:

   1. July Summer Meet (Satish Tummala)
   2. 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Marcus Johnson)
   3. Re: 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Paul Samarin)
   4. Re: 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Marcus Johnson)
   5. Re: 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Dick Spellman)
   6. Re: July Summer Meet (Axel Wulff)
   7. Re: 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Marcus Johnson)
   8. July Summer Meet - 14th or 21st?  It's a tally (Satish Tummala)
   9. Re: 10 x 18 rims - will they fit? (Paul Samarin)
  10. Slightly High Idle - Possible Causes (Larry Martin)
  11. Re: July Summer Meet - 14th or 21st?  It's a tally (Markus Meyer)
  12. Groaning/Creaking front end!?!?! (Jon Pridham)
  13. Re: Groaning/Creaking front end!?!?! (Tad Heckaman)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:39:58 -0400
From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] July Summer Meet
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Hello All,

Just got off the phone with Sam in Chicago.  We have thought that the 
meet
can happen on the weekend of July 20th.  All keep in mind that if 
anyone
needs any work done, let me know and we'll have plenty of bays open 
that
Saturday for tinkering.  Also, we're a Tire Rack dealer so if anyone 
needs
wheels/tires, balacing, etc., etc. let us know.  Finally, no group is 
too
big.  Unlike 2 years ago, my facility is 3x the size it was before.  
I'll
have body shop guys there for detailing/polishing, etc. for the hell of 
it.
Also, an array of AMG/M cars to boot.

Let's take a tally again for the 21-22nd July:

Satish



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:47:47 +1000
From: Marcus Johnson <ubucom at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
To: mbcoupes <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hello all,

I have a great opportunity to buy some new rims for my 1985 380 SEC.

These are replicas but made in Germany so they ought to be good
quality. I will ask the seller more about this.

They are the same design that's shown on Satish's car on the website
and fit both R129 and W126.

The set comprises of 10 x 18 rears and 8.5 x 18 fronts.

The offset is ET25, which is rare for this market. Usually the only
thing available is ET31 fronts / ET35 rears. So I may have lucked out
here.

Having read and re-read every post I can find about offset and asked
anyone else about it, I now have a reasonable handle on it. No wonder
people get confused.

The fronts should be fine but the rears will be the issue, if there
is one. From what I can gather, I should be in good shape at ET25 and
if anything, the inner wheel well might be where it rubs, if at all.
The ideal offset figure appears to be between ET11 and ET18. If
that's the case, I might need some spacers to get the wheels closer
to the guards.

The car is lowered with H&R springs, about 1.5 inches all round.

If anyone with 10 x 18's can provide information, especially about
what offset they are running, that would be very helpful.

Also, as I would be buying rims only, any input regarding tyre size
would be appreciated.

I'm thinking either 275/35 or 265/35's on the rear but I don't want
to get tyres that are like licorice straps and are overly harsh as
far as ride is concerned.


Cheers,

marcus

marcus johnson
1985 380 SEC
melbourne, australia

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:55:34 -0700
From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
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265 is too narrow for 10" rims; 275 is correct and 285 will work,
too.  You will need to roll the interior rim of the fender.  Sorry,
but I don't remember anything else.  Haven't had my SEC for a while now.

The ride will be a little harsh, but handling will be awesome.

Paul

On Jun 25, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Marcus Johnson wrote:


> I'm thinking either 275/35 or 265/35's on the rear but I don't want

> to get tyres that are like licorice straps and are overly harsh as

> far as ride is concerned.

>

>

> Cheers,

>

> marcus


Paul Samarin
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:09:18 +1000
From: Marcus Johnson <ubucom at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
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Thanks Paul,

I have followed the thread about your car and seen pics of it running
the 18 x 10 Anteras.

A lovely looking machine.

Was fitting the 10 x 18's a worthwhile exercise in your opinion?

What are you driving now?


marcus

marcus johnson
1985 380 SEC
melbourne, australia

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:24:48 -0400
From: Dick Spellman <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
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Hi Marcus;

Sounds like you've got a good opportunity on those wheels.

Here is my original post and Talbir's response.

'Hi Dick,

The wheel sizes haven't come through, but from the tyre size I am 
guessing
that the fronts are 8" or 8.5" and the rears are 9.5" or 10" ?

8J with et18 would be ok on the early SEC, but 8.5J/et18 might be a 
little
tight - it all depends on whether or not the car is lowered and if so, 
how
aggresively it is lowered. If it's lowered plenty, then 8.5J/et18 might 
be
tight. I still think it will work, but it'd be close. Might need to 
roll
the
front fenders.

The rears sound fine. 10J wheels on the rear work with an offset of 
between
15-25mm. I'm running the AMG 3-piece 10J with et17 and Satish is/was
running
10J with et25 on the AMG 2-piece's.

Sorry I saw this late...US/UK time differences.....

cheers
talbir
/>From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net> /
/>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com> /
/>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com> /
/>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Important Wheel Offset Question /
/>Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:32:02 -0400 /
/> /
/>I need a fairly quick answer on whether the following will fit the 
SEC
and /
/>knowing the early SEC did not have the front flared fenders. /
/> /
/>Rear:275/35 ZR 18/P7000 Pirelli/Rim Size JX18H2-ET 19 /
/> /
/>Front 235/40ZR18/P7000 Pirelli/ Rim offset ET 18 /
/> /
/>Appreciate any response that tells me what if anything I need to do 
to
get /
/>a fitment with no rubs, etc. /
/> /
/>Many thanks, /
/> /
/>Dick

/I have lowered 1.5 on H&R's and have the early chassis SEC chassis
(1983).  The fit is perfect, handling superb.  I did have to roll the
rear ender lip and remove 6 to 10 mm of depth on the urethane lower
cladding on the rear wheel well to stop the rub on the outer edge.  You
should be in good shape with a bit of work at 9 to 10 o'clock on the
outer rear wheels if my settings are close to what you end up with.

275's in the rear are very wide and may give you a rub on the inner
fender well.  I have not looked in a while but, will send you a note in
a day or so re: where you WILL get this inner rub.  I suppose you could
pound the area inward if it causes no structural damage or lends itself
to rust.  On this I'm not sure and I will do sub frame and differential
bushings and mounts before doing anything this severe on my SEC.

Regards,

Dick

Marcus Johnson wrote:

> Hello all,

>

> I have a great opportunity to buy some new rims for my 1985 380 SEC.

>

> These are replicas but made in Germany so they ought to be good

> quality. I will ask the seller more about this.

>

> They are the same design that's shown on Satish's car on the website

> and fit both R129 and W126.

>

> The set comprises of 10 x 18 rears and 8.5 x 18 fronts.

>

> The offset is ET25, which is rare for this market. Usually the only

> thing available is ET31 fronts / ET35 rears. So I may have lucked out

> here.

>

> Having read and re-read every post I can find about offset and asked

> anyone else about it, I now have a reasonable handle on it. No wonder

> people get confused.

>

> The fronts should be fine but the rears will be the issue, if there 

is

> one. From what I can gather, I should be in good shape at ET25 and if

> anything, the inner wheel well might be where it rubs, if at all. The

> ideal offset figure appears to be between ET11 and ET18. If that's 

the

> case, I might need some spacers to get the wheels closer to the 

guards.

>

> The car is lowered with H&R springs, about 1.5 inches all round.

>

> If anyone with 10 x 18's can provide information, especially about

> what offset they are running, that would be very helpful.

>

> Also, as I would be buying rims only, any input regarding tyre size

> would be appreciated.

>

> I'm thinking either 275/35 or 265/35's on the rear but I don't want 

to

> get tyres that are like licorice straps and are overly harsh as far 

as

> ride is concerned.

>

>

> Cheers,

>

> marcus

>

> marcus johnson

>

> 1985 380 SEC

>

> melbourne, australia

>

>

> 

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:33:02 -0400
From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] July Summer Meet
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Satish,

Bummer, I can't make the weekend of the 21st/22nd.

Have fun!



Regards,
Axel J. Wulff
610-731-5453 Cellular
610-572-4611 Home






>From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>

>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>Subject: [W126 Coupe] July Summer Meet

>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:39:58 -0400

>

>Hello All,

>

>Just got off the phone with Sam in Chicago.  We have thought that the 

meet

>can happen on the weekend of July 20th.  All keep in mind that if 

anyone

>needs any work done, let me know and we'll have plenty of bays open 

that

>Saturday for tinkering.  Also, we're a Tire Rack dealer so if anyone 

needs

>wheels/tires, balacing, etc., etc. let us know.  Finally, no group is 

too

>big.  Unlike 2 years ago, my facility is 3x the size it was before.  

I'll

>have body shop guys there for detailing/polishing, etc. for the hell 

of it.

>Also, an array of AMG/M cars to boot.

>

>Let's take a tally again for the 21-22nd July:

>

>Satish

>

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:40:49 +1000
From: Marcus Johnson <ubucom at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Thanks Dick,

That's excellent detail.

It all sounds do-able, but will require a bit of work.

I think, in an ideal world, I would prefer 18 x 8 and 18 x 9's.

But such things are very hard to find here. Especially with an ET25
or less offset.

marcus

marcus johnson
1985 380 SEC
melbourne, australia

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:24:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] July Summer Meet - 14th or 21st?  It's a tally
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Hold up guys....this is a tally....each of you submit which weekend 
works
better.  We'll take the weekend with the most people able to attend.





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:36:07 -0700
From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 10 x 18 rims - will they fit?
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I found a good deal on a 500 SL (R-129) before I found a suitable SEC
to replace my wrecked one.  It's a very fun car, but inferior to the
SEC in my opinion.

My SEC had the 10 x 18 Anteras with 265s on them (in the rear) when I
bought it.  Ran over a pipe that fell of a truck and bent two of them.
Replaced with 9 x 18 Lorinzers (8 x 10 in front).  Handling was
noticeably inferior with the 2" decrease in "rear stabilization."

I would guess that the absolute best set-up would be 10 x 17 to give a
little more cushion, but I've never driven, nor even ridden on, that
set-up.  Perhaps the extra cushion *also* decreases the crispness of
the handling.

I know you will love the 10 x 18s.  I don't know what tires to buy, but
I'll suggest the following:

235 in front gives a lot of grip; perhaps too much, if that's possible.
  When I had the Anteras with the previous owner's tires, although I
don't remember exactly, I'll bet they were 225s up front.  The thing
was very nimble; drove like a slot car.  So, I would go with 285s in
back as soft as you can get them...you'll go through them quickly, and
it'll be expensive, but you'll love every driving minute of it...and go
with something a little harder in the front.

That's all just off the top of my head.  Everyone on this list knows
more than me about all this, so if there's some safety or other reason
not to do what I've suggested, please advise...

Have fun!

Paul

On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Marcus Johnson wrote:


> Thanks Paul,

>

> I have followed the thread about your car and seen pics of it running

> the 18 x 10 Anteras.

>

> A lovely looking machine.

>

> Was fitting the 10 x 18's a worthwhile exercise in your opinion?

>

> What are you driving now?

>

>

> marcus

>

> marcus johnson

> 1985 380 SEC

> melbourne, australia

>

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:53:18 -0500
From: "Larry Martin" <lmartin at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Slightly High Idle - Possible Causes
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John,

Idea #1:

It sounds like you are on the right track. I found a similar problem,
and while all the main idle components (cold start valve, idle control
valve, idle control unit) were all working properly, there was a slight
leak (vacuum) near the idle control valve causing a higher idle. Test is
to move the (vacuum) lines in and around the Idle Control Valve to see
if you can affect the idle speed. If you still suspect the Idle Control
Unit...you know about removing the idle control unit connecter (Idle
Control Unit is near center of windshield on Firewall) to see if the
idle speed 'jumps' up. In my case...I used black "make a gasket" to seal
the slight leak...and it worked perfectly thereafter.

Idea #2:

If this fails, you may find that the levers you THINK are working ok
below the Fuel Injection Distributor are working...but shellac can cause
them to slightly stick. A quick test is to spray good quality carb
cleaner spray (open the air metering plate with your finger) and spray
the cleaner toward the rear of the air handling unit - toward the Fuel
Distributor. Restart the car (yes...it will crank a maybe up to 10 times
before starting) and see if the idle changes. If it does, you will have
to remove the Fuel Distributor and clean the levers you find there until
they move very easily.

Idea #3:

Also...when the fuel distributor is removed...test the plunger (in the
center of the bottom of the Fuel Distributor unit) to see if it is
"hard" to move...if it is...that too can cause the idle to be high since
it would keep the levers from working completely to the end of travel.

Incidentally...the idle speed should not come back to minimum speed in a
minute...that is pretty fast...more normal is to return to minimum idle
after a handful of minutes...even in a warm climate, after a cold start.

Good Luck!
Larry Martin


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Today's Topics:

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   2. Edmund (Dineshh)
   3. Re: Slightly high Idle- What next? (Neil)
   4. Re: Slightly high Idle- What next? (Tim Graney)
   5. Re: Repair Manuals (RSLeeH2O at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:56:13 EDT
From: JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Slightly high Idle- What next?
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hello everyone:
I know most of you have heard enough on this subject but I am not sure
what
to do next and any and all advice and information I can get is
appreciated .I
have an idle of 850 rpm in park or drive with or  without a/c. It is
smooth
and doesn't change after initial warm up. I have  checked for vacuum
leaks and
found none. Air metering plate moves freely and  closes without a
problem. OVP
relay is new(previously sticking and ABS light  was on and rpm 1100).No
binding of throttle linkage and throttle valve  closes freely. Throttle
valve
switch checked good for both open and closed  position with ohm meter,
Idle control
valve(ICV) appears to be operating but  cannot tell if it is closing
completely. When disconnected idle goes to about  1800 rpm and connected
to 850 rpm.
Resistance is 4.5 ohms and voltage across  connector is about 5
volts+-.2 volts
when connected and at idle.The valve  is moving freely inside as I
removed
and checked it. Thermo time switch and cold  start injector are working
as idle
dropped to 850 from 1100 after  about 30  seconds of start up but not to

550-650.Is there anything I may have missed  and does my problem now
direct me
toward buying an expensive idle  control valve and or idle control unit.
I don't
have access to either units  to swap and no MB mechanic in town. Any
advice is
appreciated. Oh yes, my  vehicle is a 89 SEC with 80K miles and records
show
scheduled servicing. I  bought the car in May 2007. It had the high idle

problem when  purchased.
Regards,
John K.



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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:05:10 -0500
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:27:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil <mylimortgage at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Slightly high Idle- What next?
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check these guys out if you need the ICU or ICV.  the have some great
pirces and warranty thier parts.
http://www.programainc.com/doc/M-Benz.html
  Neil
  '83 500 SEC

JohnJayKimrey1 at aol.com wrote:
      Hello everyone:
  I know most of you have heard enough on this subject but I am not sure
what to do next and any and all advice and information I can get is
appreciated .I have an idle of 850 rpm in park or drive with or without
a/c. It is smooth and doesn't change after initial warm up. I have
checked for vacuum leaks and found none. Air metering plate moves freely
and closes without a problem. OVP relay is new(previously sticking and
ABS light was on and rpm 1100).No binding of throttle linkage and
throttle valve closes freely. Throttle valve switch checked good for
both open and closed position with ohm meter, Idle control valve(ICV)
appears to be operating but cannot tell if it is closing completely.
When disconnected idle goes to about 1800 rpm and connected to 850 rpm.
Resistance is 4.5 ohms and voltage across connector is about 5 volts+-.2
volts when connected and at idle.The valve is moving freely inside as I
removed and checked it. Thermo time switch and cold start injector are
working as idle dropped to 850 from 1100 after  about 30 seconds of
start up but not to 550-650.Is there anything I may have missed and does
my problem now direct me toward buying an expensive idle control valve
and or idle control unit. I don't have access to either units to swap
and no MB mechanic in town. Any advice is appreciated. Oh yes, my
vehicle is a 89 SEC with 80K miles and records show scheduled servicing.
I bought the car in May 2007. It had the high idle problem when
purchased.
  Regards,
  John K.




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:34:31 -0700
From: "Tim Graney" <graneyt at americancylinderhead.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Slightly high Idle- What next?
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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First thing to check is that the linkage has not been adjusted to raise
the idle. Disconnect the linkage right at the throttle plate and see if
the idle goes down to where it should be. If it does just lengthen the
rod to fit. Secondly, check for vacuum leaks. Put a vacuum gauge on a
manifold source. There should be three sources. One on each side of the
manifold and one in the rear of the manifold. Look for even readings of
20 bar, needle should not fluctuate at all if it does there is a leak or
leaks.

Any additional air coming into the system will increase the idle. Leaks
can be anywhere. The biggest culprit are the rubber O ring gaskets that
connect the upper and lower pieces of the intake manifold. If you have a
Mighty Vac you can check for leaks yourself. Check all the vacuum
connections for cracks and loose connections. Check the rubber
connectors on the idle control valve for tightness, they become dry and
brittle with age and loosen up creating leaks. There are a myriad of
connections behind the dashboard that control the HVAC system. Be
patient and eliminate each connection as you go along.  The vacuum gauge
is your friend and they are cheap. You can tune your car with one of
these.

 It sounds like your idle control valve is OK. The unit itself might be
bad, there is no way of knowing without the proper equipment to test the
unit. If you buy a new or rebuilt unit make sure you get the unit that
matches your vin#  there are differences.

The CIS system is very competent but also very mechanically complicated.
When fresh the system is great but it tends to become problematic as it
gets older. A great Benz Mechanic once told me years ago that it is not
the mechanical systems that fail on Benzes it is the organic components,
i.e.. rubber connections and gaskets.

Hope this helps out

Tim Graney
1959 190sl
1965 250 se coupe
1961 300d Adenauer
1985 500 sec amg

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Hello everyone:
I know most of you have heard enough on this subject but I am not sure
what to do next and any and all advice and information I can get is
appreciated .I have an idle of 850 rpm in park or drive with or without
a/c. It is smooth and doesn't change after initial warm up. I have
checked for vacuum leaks and found none. Air metering plate moves freely
and closes without a problem. OVP relay is new(previously sticking and
ABS light was on and rpm 1100).No binding of throttle linkage and
throttle valve closes freely. Throttle valve switch checked good for
both open and closed position with ohm meter, Idle control valve(ICV)
appears to be operating but cannot tell if it is closing completely.
When disconnected idle goes to about 1800 rpm and connected to 850 rpm.
Resistance is 4.5 ohms and voltage across connector is about 5 volts+-.2
volts when connected and at idle.The valve is moving freely inside as I
removed and checked it. Thermo time switch and cold start injector are
working as idle dropped to 850 from 1100 after  about 30 seconds of
start up but not to 550-650.Is there anything I may have missed and does
my problem now direct me toward buying an expensive idle control valve
and or idle control unit. I don't have access to either units to swap
and no MB mechanic in town. Any advice is appreciated. Oh yes, my
vehicle is a 89 SEC with 80K miles and records show scheduled servicing.
I bought the car in May 2007. It had the high idle problem when
purchased. Regards, John K.




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:37:58 EDT
From: RSLeeH2O at aol.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Repair Manuals
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hello,

I have a 1988 560 SEC. I have been looking for a good repair manual. I
did
buy one of the CD versions from Ebay but it requires a strange driver
that
messes with my computer. Anyone know where a hardcopy can be found?

Ron Lee



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:40:27 -0700
From: "Tim Graney" <graneyt at americancylinderhead.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Repair Manuals
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Try books4cars.com I have bought many manuals from them over the years.
They have reprint manuals for just about anything

Tim Graney

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Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Repair Manuals


Hello,

I have a 1988 560 SEC. I have been looking for a good repair manual. I
did buy one of the CD versions from Ebay but it requires a strange
driver that messes with my computer. Anyone know where a hardcopy can be
found?

Ron Lee




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:23:30 -0700
From: Markus Meyer <mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] July Summer Meet - 14th or 21st?  It's a
    tally
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:38:42 +0000
From: "Jon Pridham" <jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Groaning/Creaking front end!?!?!
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Does anybody know what componant is the culprit to a creaking/groaning
coming from the front suspension under movement?

I have been told is was the lower shock bush mount was the fault, but 
after
changing the front shocks i still have the same annoying noise.

Everything seems to be in the right place and there has been no traffic
related accidents/events that i know of that would cause this noise.

Suffice to say its driving me nuts - Please help!!!!!


:o)


Jon

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:47:50 -0400
From: "Tad Heckaman" <douglash at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Groaning/Creaking front end!?!?!
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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On my car they replaced the ball joints and that got rid of my 
creaking. My
mechanic pointed out that the ball joint 'covers' (whatever they are 
called)
were broken/missing, which causes water to splash the grease out of the
joint. Squirting some oil into the joint should get rid of the noise 
for a
day or 2 until you can get it replaced.

On 6/26/07, Jon Pridham <jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>

> Does anybody know what componant is the culprit to a creaking/groaning

> coming from the front suspension under movement?

>

> I have been told is was the lower shock bush mount was the fault, but

> after

> changing the front shocks i still have the same annoying noise.

>

> Everything seems to be in the right place and there has been no 

traffic

> related accidents/events that i know of that would cause this noise.

>

> Suffice to say its driving me nuts - Please help!!!!!

>

> :o)

>

> Jon

>

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