> f/8 Dagors were not prototypes. I don't think any standard > Dagors were made in this speed. However, one version of the > wide angle Dagor is f/8 (the Zeiss version is f/9) and > Dagors longer than 12" are f/7.7. Weren't all the Wide Angle "Golden" Dagors f8? 3 3/8", 4 3/8" and 6 1/2" (And if anyone knows the whereabouts of a goerz dagor carl zeiss jena 180mm f9, let me know...) tim