[AGL] Fwd: Texans and guns

[Gerry]

<<The buzzards may have migrated to Uvalde
we aren't sure?<<

They go south every November. Around here their departure is synonymous with
the arrival of the cranes, one bird for another. Sometime in the early
spring the cranes will depart and the buzzards return...too cold for them in
winter, like these days it gets down into the teens every morning. Big
raptors on the scene now, an occasional golden eagle, a large Northern
Harrier which skims along the pastures in my zone, and big red tails on high
altitude patrol, along with the usual assortment of smaller hawks. If it
would rain we would get some bald eagles coming from upstream following the
rise.

Javelina meat is for fools and coyotes only, very stringy and tough and foul
tasting. They say that if you cut out the musk gland it is edible. I say no,
maybe better but still not edible.

Thank God we don't have Texas "sportsmen" to deal with. No exotics on this
side of the state. But the biologists are always up to something. In some
parts of the Gila they have poisoned the fish populations (mostly rainbow
trout) and replaced them with hatchery trout which they claim are the
natives of the area. The hatchery trout don't know how to hunt and die off,
replaced with rainbow trout from upstream...The idea of returning the area
to the state it once represented (before the cows came) seems to resonate
with biologists. I say, Fine, let's start by getting rid of the cows. As
long as they are around they will dominate.

Up in the mountains they are trying to reintroduce the wolves. But every
time one is suspected of killing a cow (grazing allotments in the National
Forest) it is caught and returned to captivity. Some of those poor wolves
have been rotated so many times they don't know where home is. Some
ingenious ranchers have discovered the frequencies of the radios on the
wolves collars and track them down...so much for high tech. Personally I
would rather have the forests populated with elk and wolves instead of cows.
This sentiment is growing but with the Repubs in control rangeland reform is
off the table.

What about the hides of the Aodads? Can't you make seat covers or something
out of them?
G




----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Loving" <lovingigor at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texans and guns



> A gun to buy. Academy has a nifty 16 gage single shot with interchangeable

> barrels. !6 gage and 22 cal. very nice and it is small and compact. Good

for

> varmints. @0 gage is OK too but not a show stopper. I use a 30 cal.

carbine

> with a folding stock and a 22 Sportsman revolver as my shooting devices of

> choice.

>

> Yesterday in the sleet the next door rancher Dan and I after trying to

start

> the dozer for a half hour, wandered up to one of his first hog traps and

low

> and behold there were three Aoudads in the thing. No hogs. We do not like

> sheep here, sort of a throw back to the range wars of Western Pulp

Fiction.

> As we watched from the hill we discussed what to do with the damn things?

> Mutton is not high on the list of eating here in Deer Corn. We both agreed

> the  stuff taste like sheep dung mixed with wool and urine. Unless there

is

> some recipe that makes it taste good?  There is a guy in Deer Corn who

> claims to make sausage out of the things, lots of port fat to kill the

taste

> and spices.

>

> The pit we have is already full with five  Aoudads in it from last week

and

> the buzzards wouldn't even eat them.The buzzards may have migrated to

Uvalde

> we aren't sure? We discussed sending the sheep to HAMAS or Hezbollah via

UPS

> and chucked a lot on that one.

>

> These are so called exotic animals which were imported to the Abilene in

the

> fifties for hunting purposes. They are a real pestilence, they have pushed

> the big horn sheep and the javelina out. They are worse than deer  on

> gardens since they don't browse but clear cut. We have six traps set up

and

> feeders. The state wildlife biologist  was here again this week made

another

>   pronouncement that we need to cull the Aoudads and Pigs. There is a herd

> of hogs on the ridge that has at least a dozen members. There are fifty or

> sixty Aoudads on the range here. Dan shot a Black Buck day  before

yesterday

> that had gotten into one of the traps.  The biologist visited all the

traps

> and  alowed as how we ought to cut off the tops so the deer that get in

can

> jump out and we will do that next Monday. We  have to borrow Woody's

welder

> and rig but it is no big deal.

>

> Life in South Texas is always a hoot, never dull or boring.

>

> Charlie Loving

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: Frances Morey <frances_morey at yahoo.com>

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> >

> >Hmmm. I can taste them tamales, and sausage, too. Are javalinas edible?

> >Seeing the aftermath of the paint ball bullseye, how it might interfere

> >with the social interaction of the varmints, now that would be

interesting.

> >Ya' suppose the marked coons couldn't get laid?

> >   Even a fake gun can get ya' killed, you know. Say the police raid the

> >wrong house.

> >   Frances

> >

> >Gerry <mesmo at gilanet.com> wrote:

> >   The pigs who come on my place are javelinas. Skulls of a few who came

at

> >the

> >wrong time adorn my patio. Only yesterday the whole herd was digging in

my

> >compost zone, little piggies and all. Unfortunately the fled into the

tall

> >grass and I couldn't get a clean shot on them, but I fired a couple just

to

> >get some respect, as Jon calls it.

> >

> >The skunks and ground squirrels get the cat food. A couple of skunks per

> >year (minimum) don't live to breed another litter. As for the squirrels I

> >haven't had much luck with a resident intruder, but you can bet that

sooner

> >or later it (they?) will get careless...

> >

> >I will admit that while I enjoy making a good shot, I do not enjoy the

> >killing...unusual conflict. But resident varmints take a sizeable toll on

> >one's resources, sooner or later. As for the pigs, they have destroyed

two

> >gardens and receive no mercy.

> >

> >I use a .22. Also have a Sheridan Air Rifle which is far less powerful

but

> >enough to kill small varmints.

> >

> >Jon, you could get one of those air pistols that shoot paint balls. Some

> >have a laser sight, hard to miss. While the pistol won't kill the 'coons,

> >it

> >will sting and stain them, thus gaining you some respect. Also, they look

> >so

> >real you could scare the hell out of an intruder with one.

> >G

> >

> >

> >

> >----- Original Message -----

> >From: "Jon Ford"

> >To:

> >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:53 PM

> >Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

> >tracks...

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about buying a

> >gun

> > > to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night and

show

> >no

> > > respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However, after the

> >bracing

> > > exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

> > >

> > > Jon

> > >

> > > >From: "Bill Irwin"

> > > >Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

> > > >60s

> > > >To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

> > > >60s"

> > > >Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

> > > >tracks...

> > > >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

> > > >

> > > >Well, that is a good, well thought out answer. I would have to agree

> >with

> > > >you on most all points. I have 2 guns but now that I have given up on

> > > >exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't know what use

> >they

> > > >are any more. Oh, I remember - I am waiting for the revolution (lets

> >hope

> > > >for a peaceful revolution).

> > > >Ewie

> > > >

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: Frances Morey

> > > > To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

> > > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

> > > >tracks...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which

it

> > > >turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might think

> > > >differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my

balcony

> >once

> > > >and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I need one." The

> > > >shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone known to me, who

was

> > > >being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I grabbed the phone and

> >started

> > > >calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna be as fast as a speeding

bullet.

> >I

> > > >just hope one never comes my way.

> > > > The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to kill

> > > >family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even used

> >in

> > > >suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is not only

> >the

> > > >reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be utilized by the

> > > >criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are fearless and well

> >trained

> > > >the gun can be easily removed from your hands and turned on you. If

you

> > > >scare someone by pointing a gun at them, imagine how pissed they are

> >when

> > > >they wrestle it away and turn it on the First Pointer.

> > > > I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is

in

> > > >gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care of

> >an

> > > >elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin crawl was

> >when

> > > >he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

> > > > Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't

about

> > > >being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without firearms.

> > > > Best,

> > > > Frances

> > > >

> > > > Bill Irwin wrote:

> > > > Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to

> > > >rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik.

> > > >Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought you

> >might

> > > >have some insight on those two dilemmas. Seems to me that gun use is

> > > >neither Christian nor peaceful.

> > > > Aloha,

> > > > Ewie

> > > >

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: Frances Morey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his

> >defense

> > > >would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was

> > > >standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up

with

> > > >guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target

> >shooting

> > > >face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 500 other

> > > >scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him up and

they

> > > >left hunting camp early.

> > > > It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie

> > > >script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the movie.

I

> >feel

> > > >that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used,

> >sometimes

> >by

> > > >the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep them.

> > > > Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with

> >bodies

> > > >it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin'

> > > >neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

> > > > When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the

> > > >place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep

> > > >firearms.

> > > > Best,

> > > > Frances

> > > >

> > > > michele mason wrote:

> > > > This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want

> >the

> > > >right

> > > > to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my

> >land.

> > > >I've

> > > > had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep

> > > >"them"

> > > > away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing

> > > >something

> > > > that might hinder my rights.

> > > > We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at

> >mine,

> > > >but

> > > > missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't

> >know

> > > >that

> > > > they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to

> >disable

> > > >his

> > > > car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that

> > > >right,

> > > > I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

> > > >

> > > > On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

> > > > > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

> > > > >> From: StopTheNRA

> > > > >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

> > > > >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to open

> >it

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> > > >shoot

> > > > >> and kill another person even when they could have safely

> >gotten

> > > >away,

> > > > >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent people

> > > >could be

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> > > >their

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> >duty

> > > >to

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> > > >occurrences

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> > > >including

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> >a

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> > > >already

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> > > > >>

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> > > >entire

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