Iran and the threat of war?
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Sun Sep 5 14:20:06 2004
Yes, the bomb represents a lot of power. I am sure Iran is thinking that
Iraq will fall into their hands after we get so overwhelmed. It is a mess.
Carolyn
Quoting Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>:
> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
> <P><BR><BR></P>Carolyn-- I'm scared of going to war with anyone! But
> isn't the direct reason we are exerting pressure on Iran right
> now the Uranium /nuclear development issue? I read today they had
> uranium reserves they wish to exploit and wish to develop nuclear
> power-- naturally that scares the U.S. The fact that Israel has the bomb
> may be used as an excuse by the Iranians for this, but it would seem
> their real concern is hegemony in the region. Note that plenty of their
> neighbors to the east have the bomb-- India and Pakestan, most totably,
> not to mention the Russians. </DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE> </DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Jon</DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <P> </P>
> <P> </P>
> <P>>From: globe@zipcon.net </P>
> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> <DIV></DIV>>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net,Jon Ford
> <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: here's an email I just sent to an old friend
> -- it came together so nicely t
> <DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:43:38 -0700 (PDT)
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>>Jon
> <DIV></DIV>> it is more that Israel might lead us into a
> war with Iran, not Iraq. Iraq was
> <DIV></DIV>>our own doing. I am scared of us going into
> Iran.
> <DIV></DIV>> Carolyn
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>>Quoting Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>:
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>> > Carolyn-- I agree that our country should be more
> critical of some of
> <DIV></DIV>> > Israel's excesses in its treatment of the
> Palestinians. Although the
> <DIV></DIV>> > current
> <DIV></DIV>> > administration chides Israel from time to time for
> certain behavior,
> <DIV></DIV>> > such as
> <DIV></DIV>> > building more homes in settlements, reprisal
> killings, etc., we never
> <DIV></DIV>> > back
> <DIV></DIV>> > up the chiding in any particular way, so the Sharon
> government doesn't
> <DIV></DIV>> > take
> <DIV></DIV>> > these comments seriously. Also, of course, it is
> clear that the
> <DIV></DIV>> > Hamas-Palestinian view of Israel, that it has no
> right to exist and
> <DIV></DIV>> > should
> <DIV></DIV>> > be "suicide bombed" out of existence, is both
> vicious and unrealistic
> <DIV></DIV>> > doctrine. Furthermore, , it is big
> simplification to say that Israel
> <DIV></DIV>> > led us
> <DIV></DIV>> > into war in Iraq with its "undue influence" and
> faulty Mossad
> <DIV></DIV>> > intelligence.
> <DIV></DIV>> > Israel certainly didn't care for Saddam Hussein and
> was no doubt glad to
> <DIV></DIV>> > see
> <DIV></DIV>> > him go, but we entered Iraq because the Bushies
> thought it would be easy
> <DIV></DIV>> > to
> <DIV></DIV>> > get rid of Saddam and that the people would welcome
> us with open arms,
> <DIV></DIV>> > after
> <DIV></DIV>> > which we would have strong power/economic base in a
> US-friendly new
> <DIV></DIV>> > Iraq.
> <DIV></DIV>> > They were ideologically
> and strategically wrong, and that's a big
> <DIV></DIV>> > reason
> <DIV></DIV>> > why we are in the mess we're in now.
> <DIV></DIV>> >
> <DIV></DIV>> > Jon
> <DIV></DIV>> >
> <DIV></DIV>> >
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;From: globe@zipcon.net
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net,Michael
> Eisenstadt
> <DIV></DIV>> > &lt;michaele@HotPOP.com&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;Subject: Re: here's an email I just sent to
> an old friend -- it came
> <DIV></DIV>> >
> <DIV></DIV>> > together so nicely that I cant help sharing it with
> you
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
>
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; There is an investigation going
> on by the FBI which is about
> <DIV></DIV>> > Israel
> <DIV></DIV>> > influence
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;on our foreign policy towards Iran and it
> comes out of Wolfowits's
> <DIV></DIV>> > office in
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;the Pentagon. It is no secret
> that Wolfowitz had a strong Israel
> <DIV></DIV>> > bent
> <DIV></DIV>> > in his
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;policy making. I think Bush has
> a strong pro bias towards Sharon
> <DIV></DIV>> > and
> <DIV></DIV>> > Israel.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;There are occasions when USA's aims and
> Israel's are the same but
> <DIV></DIV>> > not
> <DIV></DIV>> > all the
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;time. I don't see how any
> democratic country can support all of
> <DIV></DIV>> > Israel's
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;policies towards the Arab world
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; Carolyn
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;Quoting Michael Eisenstadt
> &lt;michaele@HotPOP.com&gt;:
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Byron,
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Are you quoting or are you saying
> yourself that
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Bush went into Iraq for Israel?
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; This is a lie. I read the Israeli
> press (online) and I
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; know more or less what Israelis
> focus on, both
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; their left wing and their right
> wing. It was NOT
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; that the US should invade Iraq.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Perle and Wolfowitz are not
> Israelis, they are
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; think tank scholars who dont
> understand
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; recent history. Perle by the way
> turns out to
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; be an out and out crook in league
> with some
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Canadian billionaire. Wolfowitz
> was an
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; academic and then went into
> government.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Read The Rise of the Vulcans
> which is about
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; the whole Bush crew. Wolfowitz is
> NOT a
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; policy maker. The rest of the
> Bushies are
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; big money non Jewish capitalists.
> These
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; folks have not ever before acted
> at Israel's
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> &quot;bidding&quot;. To believe they would for some
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; reason submit to Isael's bidding
> in any
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; literal sense of the phrase is to
> be practicing
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; non-rational mentation.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Some say it was oil. I think it
> was pure hubris,
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; perhaps also with an eye towards
> keeping
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; the US in a permanent state of
> way thus
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; continuing to hold the
> presidency. Not Israel.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Israel had nothing to do with it.
> I'm sure the
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; &quot;intelligence&quot;
> bureaucracy in Israel are busy
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; sending in Israeli operatives to
> do some kinda
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; biz in Iraq, but that sort of
> stuff comes with the
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; neighborhood. All the other
> players (Iran, Egypt,
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Saudia Arabia) have got agents in
> Iraq also.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; If there is one thing the Arabs
> are good at it
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; is their Mukbaharat skills.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Please forward what I am saying
> here to your
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; reading circle. Thanks.
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt; Mike
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>> > &gt; Carolyn
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