why 4? Re: Response
Mary Ann Wilson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Tue Aug 31 23:21:45 2004
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Jon,
I received FOUR of these. One is more than enough. This stuff doesn't belong
on list.
m-a
on 8-31-2004 3:13 PM, Jon Ford at jonmfordster@hotmail.com wrote:
Mike-- I'm glad you sent out the email from Jim. Although I had previously
received it from you,I tried to interpret it for the guetto2 folk without
quoting directly from it, and was met with a hail of hostility; Jim totally
denied sending it, suggesting indirectly that you had made it all up. I
still maintain that you were dissed in this case by Wayne and Gerry, but
Wayne is a big-hearted guy, who can get mad at someone and still be a friend
(except in my case, in which he totally wiped my out of his email world
because of a comment I once made about how white celtic skin is most
beautiful of all, whereas I mantain that the "beauty" of skin color is a
subjective cultural concept).
Jon
>From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@HotPOP.com>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Subject: Re: Response
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:47:42 -0600
>
>From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Cc: "Ghetto 2" <GHETTO2@LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
>Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Response
>
>
> > Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
> > windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's
> > one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
> > what? You send a blip out of the blue talking about
> > how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
> > but you don't forward the e-mail. There's no way to
> > know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
> > rightly figured it was personal.
>
>It was personal but he posted it both to me and
>to agl. I should have allowed it to go through but
>it was so creepy I was ashamed to.
>
>That was a mistake it seems. Here's his email
>in its entirety
>
>START HERE
>
>--- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/469781.html
> >
> > very long interview with Theodorakis the great Greek
> > composer by an Israeli journalist
> >
> > he is full of it just like Jim Strong and others but
> > more nuanced.
> >
> > here's a snippet
>=================
> <reply>
> what a pathetic, whiney little schnorra weasel you
>are mikey ... i. e. Gai kakhen afenyam ....
> or, in the laternative, go engage in your favorite
>pasttime - anal (and/or) banal intercourse with your
>significant other doppleganager ...
> maybe you should try to get another waiter job -
>and avoid being fired this time for being a flaming
>asshole with the customers ...
>
>peace and have another xanax.
>
>STOP HERE
>
>I shouldnt have showed to Madelon as it upset her.
>
>What set him off I don't know. I said that Theodorakis
>and Jim Strong and others are full of it. The expression
>"full of it" seems so anodyne so what set him off?
>
>Pepi, I want you to know that I take pills for my male
>menopause and the tests show that it is under control.
>The figures are in range and that's science. Unlike
>FHR (female hormone replacement) medication ours
>is distilled from horny stallion pee.
>
>Pepi also said
>
> > You are developing paranoid conceptualizations,
> > as ever, as you enumerate at length friends and
> > acquaintances in consideration of their possible
> > view of you.
>
>At length? This is so unfair. Jon Ford mistakenly
>identified Wayne Johnson (40 year friendship)
>and Gerry Storm as having dissed me on
>JSDGMLG2.
>
>I wrote merely to disabuse him of an error. Jon
>has never even MET Wayne. Gerry I know from
>the Raw Deal. Jon Ford spoke ONLY of Wayne
>and Gerry.
>
>I shoulda stopped there. But at the keyboard a
>counterbalancing contrast seemed to be needed.
>So I named JS, Simmons, Ted Samsel and
>Fontaine also as folks who really REALLY dont like
>me. Pepi, that aint paranoid conceptualizations,
>that's simply the way it is. It's only 4 people, it's
>not a big deal. Sorry it's such a problem for you.
>
>Afterwards Wayne confirmed my claim of friendship.
>And Gerry publicly giggled at Wayne's revelation of the
>LEGUME conspiracy against me.
>
>You're right about email being an imperfect medium.
>I have always thought that the charm of OUR maillist
>was that we knew each other in real life and saw
>one another at parties. So when reading Karen or
>Connie or other folks that we actually know in real life,
>it always strikes me how lifelike their emails are,
>you can almost hearing them speaking, it is SO them.
>
>As compared to folks one knows ONLY through
>email.
>
>I think the problem with my letters is that the
>charm of full self-expression is too tempting for
>me. My self-expression IS different from the
>usual Texan sensibility, I know that. But my view
>is that if I find myself living among folks with a
>more buttoned-up sensibility, the last thing I
>would do in my whole life would be to adopt it.
>Alas, this decision does not easily make me
>friends nor do I have any ambition to run for
>elected office.
>
>It's like Jack Nicholson at the end of the Sean
>Penn directed movie The Pledge where
>Nicholson is sitting on the porch of his lakeside
>house drinking a beer and arguing with himself
>with gestures. Or is it?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
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Jon,<BR>
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I received FOUR of these. One is more than enough. This stuff doesn't belon=
g on list.<BR>
<BR>
m-a<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
on 8-31-2004 3:13 PM, Jon Ford at jonmfordster@hotmail.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Mike-- I'm glad you sent out the email from Jim. Although I had=
previously received it from you,I tried to interpret it for the guetto2 fol=
k without quoting directly from it, and was met with a hail of hostility; Ji=
m totally denied sending it, suggesting indirectly that you had made it all =
up. I still maintain that you were dissed in this case by Wayne and Ge=
rry, but Wayne is a big-hearted guy, who can get mad at someone and still be=
a friend (except in my case, in which he totally wiped my out of his email =
world because of a comment I once made about how white celtic skin is most b=
eautiful of all, whereas I mantain that the "beauty" of skin color=
is a subjective cultural concept). <BR>
<BR>
Jon <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@HotPOP.com> <BR>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net <BR>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net> <BR>
>Subject: Re: Response <BR>
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:47:42 -0600 <BR>
> <BR>
>From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com> <BR>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net> <BR>
>Cc: "Ghetto 2" <GHETTO2@LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM> <BR>
>Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 PM <BR>
>Subject: Re: Response <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> > Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting <BR>
> > windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's <BR>
> > one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or <BR>
> > what? You send a blip out of the blue talking about <BR>
> > how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong, <BR>
> > but you don't forward the e-mail. There's no way to <BR>
> > know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he <BR>
> > rightly figured it was personal. <BR>
> <BR>
>It was personal but he posted it both to me and <BR>
>to agl. I should have allowed it to go through but <BR>
>it was so creepy I was ashamed to. <BR>
> <BR>
>That was a mistake it seems. Here's his email <BR>
>in its entirety <BR>
> <BR>
>START HERE <BR>
> <BR>
>--- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@HotPOP.com> wrote: <BR>
> <BR>
> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/469781.html <BR>
> > <BR>
> > very long interview with Theodorakis the great Greek <BR>
> > composer by an Israeli journalist <BR>
> > <BR>
> > he is full of it just like Jim Strong and others but <BR>
> > more nuanced. <BR>
> > <BR>
> > here's a snippet <BR>
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>
> <reply> <BR>
> what a pathetic, whiney little schnorra weasel you <=
BR>
>are mikey ... i. e. Gai kakhen afenyam .... <BR>
> or, in the laternative, go engage in your favorite <=
BR>
>pasttime - anal (and/or) banal intercourse with your <BR>
>significant other doppleganager ... <BR>
> maybe you should try to get another waiter job - <BR=
>
>and avoid being fired this time for being a flaming <BR>
>asshole with the customers ... <BR>
> <BR>
>peace and have another xanax. <BR>
> <BR>
>STOP HERE <BR>
> <BR>
>I shouldnt have showed to Madelon as it upset her. <BR>
> <BR>
>What set him off I don't know. I said that Theodorakis <BR>
>and Jim Strong and others are full of it. The expression <BR>
>"full of it" seems so anodyne so what set him off? <BR>
> <BR>
>Pepi, I want you to know that I take pills for my male <BR>
>menopause and the tests show that it is under control. <BR>
>The figures are in range and that's science. Unlike <BR>
>FHR (female hormone replacement) medication ours <BR>
>is distilled from horny stallion pee. <BR>
> <BR>
>Pepi also said <BR>
> <BR>
> > You are developing paranoid conceptualizations, <BR>
> > as ever, as you enumerate at length friends and <BR>
> > acquaintances in consideration of their possible <BR>
> > view of you. <BR>
> <BR>
>At length? This is so unfair. Jon Ford mistakenly <BR>
>identified Wayne Johnson (40 year friendship) <BR>
>and Gerry Storm as having dissed me on <BR>
>JSDGMLG2. <BR>
> <BR>
>I wrote merely to disabuse him of an error. Jon <BR>
>has never even MET Wayne. Gerry I know from <BR>
>the Raw Deal. Jon Ford spoke ONLY of Wayne <BR>
>and Gerry. <BR>
> <BR>
>I shoulda stopped there. But at the keyboard a <BR>
>counterbalancing contrast seemed to be needed. <BR>
>So I named JS, Simmons, Ted Samsel and <BR>
>Fontaine also as folks who really REALLY dont like <BR>
>me. Pepi, that aint paranoid conceptualizations, <BR>
>that's simply the way it is. It's only 4 people, it's <BR>
>not a big deal. Sorry it's such a problem for you. <BR>
> <BR>
>Afterwards Wayne confirmed my claim of friendship. <BR>
>And Gerry publicly giggled at Wayne's revelation of the <BR>
>LEGUME conspiracy against me. <BR>
> <BR>
>You're right about email being an imperfect medium. <BR>
>I have always thought that the charm of OUR maillist <BR>
>was that we knew each other in real life and saw <BR>
>one another at parties. So when reading Karen or <BR>
>Connie or other folks that we actually know in real life, <BR>
>it always strikes me how lifelike their emails are, <BR>
>you can almost hearing them speaking, it is SO them. <BR>
> <BR>
>As compared to folks one knows ONLY through <BR>
>email. <BR>
> <BR>
>I think the problem with my letters is that the <BR>
>charm of full self-expression is too tempting for <BR>
>me. My self-expression IS different from the <BR>
>usual Texan sensibility, I know that. But my view <BR>
>is that if I find myself living among folks with a <BR>
>more buttoned-up sensibility, the last thing I <BR>
>would do in my whole life would be to adopt it. <BR>
>Alas, this decision does not easily make me <BR>
>friends nor do I have any ambition to run for <BR>
>elected office. <BR>
> <BR>
>It's like Jack Nicholson at the end of the Sean <BR>
>Penn directed movie The Pledge where <BR>
>Nicholson is sitting on the porch of his lakeside <BR>
>house drinking a beer and arguing with himself <BR>
>with gestures. Or is it? <BR>
> <BR>
>Mike <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
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