surprise! god is in each of us...

[Wayne Johnson]

Well, if you were a Methodist and not a Baptist or if you were not a
Baptists from a specific congregation (at a specific church) used to be you
couldn't take Communion with 'em.  Even the CofE permits anyone to take the
Eucharist who had a sincere desire to do so.  Denial is everywhere.

wj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judith M. Herr" <herrj@comcast.net>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...


> Generally, women and men do not sit, eat, or pray  together - maybe just
> too distracting.  Non-believers are not permitted at Mecca.  (The same is
> true in inner rooms where religious symbols are installed in Hindu temples
> - Vishnu and Krishna).
>
>  I've been invited to Muslim celebrations like weddings or the end of
> Ramadan (at which non-Muslims were invited  guests) that included prayer
> followed by a meal.  In some cases, a column of tables in the middle of
the
> room were for non-Muslims sitting together.  Tables for Muslim  women were
> on one side of the guest tables and tables for men on the other side.
>
>
> Judith M. Herr
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Pepi Plowman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:31 AM
> To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...
>
> Frances,
>
> Maybe to look at, but I don't think I'd want to go to
> any service.  Women aren't allowed to pray in that
> religion, are they?
>
> pep
> --- Frances Morey <frances_morey@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Pepi,
> > I have never been to a mosque either. We ought to go
> > to the one out 290 on the way to the Salt Lick. It
> > has $38,000 worth of gleaming gold tile on the
> > entrance built up so high you can see it from the
> > road. I would love to view it up close, and see what
> > the service is like. I thought Gregorian chant in
> > the Chapel at Our Lady of the Lake was wonderful.
> > Francse
> >
> > Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The only thing I ever liked about church was the
> > music. The sermons put me to sleep. We had one
> > fairly intelligent and educated minister at our
> > community church in Puerto La Cruz (we shared it
> > with
> > the Catholics, who came in for 8 a.m. mass)--he
> > sometimes gave thought provoking sermons, but then
> > we
> > got a fire and brimstone guy and everyone slept
> > through his exhortations. He was always trying to
> > save somebody--kind of like a Jesus salesman. I
> > liked
> > Quaker meeting because it was quiet sometimes,
> > except
> > for when people got up to speak. The Episcopalians
> > and
> > Catholics seemed to do a lot of up and down and
> > repeat
> > after me stuff. I've never been to a temple of any
> > kind or a mosque, for that matter. I'm crazy for all
> > the major choral works, especially Bach. I sang them
> > in choirs in highschool and later. There was some
> > totally inspired church music written that makes me
> > want to fly when I hear it.
> > pep
> > --- Wayne Johnson wrote:
> > > My problem is that most of my early Church
> > > experience was filled with horrid white anglo
> > saxon
> > > protestant hypocricy and utter dismissal of other
> > > religions whilst insisting that Jesus should be
> > the
> > > half back on your football team. This drivel would
> > > stun a ground hog for its imbecility but seemed to
> > > go over big in Georgetown in the Fifties. The
> > > single person of deep religious faith that I knew
> > > personally and respected was Rev. Heinsohn of the
> > > University Methodist Church on the Drag. I worked
> > > there as a night-time custodian whilst a student
> > at
> > > UT. He was a gentleman, a true Biblical scholar
> > and
> > > his sermons were absent of cliche or dumb
> > harangues.
> > > By any measure, a great person and a credit to our
> > > species.
> > >
> > > wj
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Frances Morey
> > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...
> > >
> > >
> > > Wayne,
> > > These incidences of kindness are multiplied
> > > thousands of times as church members all over are
> > > moved to help their fellow humans. I've seen it in
> > > action and even experienced some of it myself in
> > my
> > > darkest moments. The church is the Other place,
> > away
> > > from home and the husstle 'n' bustle of the
> > > marketplace, where people can be quite and
> > > contemplative in humility, surrounded by peace and
> > > quiet or ethereal music, and participating in the
> > > familiar and predictable process of the liturgy,
> > if
> > > a Mass, or listening to preachments alternating
> > with
> > > the singing of hymns, if they happen to be
> > > protestant. I always prefered the Catholic
> > practice
> > > of keeping the whole service to an hour, homily
> > and
> > > all. That is merely the excuse for being together,
> > > though. Perhaps god is really the human matrix in
> > > which we immerse ourselves and the churches are
> > > places we are able to find other humans who are
> > > capable and willing to express good will--I
> > believe
> > > that is so, anyway. My church experiences have
> > been
> > > as described and if not I certainly let them hear
> > > about it. But that's another story.
> > > Frances
> > >
> > > Wayne Johnson wrote:
> > > I just found out yesterday that a very dear
> > > friend of our in Reston has
> > > contract ALS and it has already progessed to the
> > > point where he can barely
> > > brush his teeth and can't clothe himself. He and
> > > his wife had joined a
> > > local Unitarian church a couple of years ago and
> > > these good people have
> > > taken it upon themselves to provide a world of
> > > kindness, gentleness, love
> > > and direct physical and emotional assistance to
> > > him and his wife. This
> > > includes visits, shopping trips with and without
> > > him, food deliveries and
> > > compansionship.
> > >
> > > To my old timey way of thinking, this is what
> > > "churches" used to do: love
> > > people and be supportive of those in need. Every
> > > so often it is good (for me
> > > in particular) to be reminded that there are
> > > those who actually practice
> > > what their religion suggests is "Christian"
> > > behavior. Of course, the
> > > Unitarians aren't exactly boil! er-plate,
> > > orthodox, Holey-Rollers. I believe
> > > Ben Franklin was a Unitarian and possibly G.
> > > Washington as well. Not
> > > exactly Bible thumpers. Many of these
> > > congregations accept neo-pagan
> > > beliefs without rancor. (Oddly, the only other
> > > church I have found with
> > > similar sentiments was a (Scottish) Episcopal
> > > church in Campbell, CA.
> > > Campbell being vurrry Scottish as a person and a
> > > clan.
> > >
> > > Anyway. Have to say sometimes the sysems works
> > > and works to the benefit of
> > > some who really, really deserve it.
> > >
> > > wj
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Pepi Plowman"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:45 PM
> > > Subject: RE: let's not do nuance
> > >
> > >
> > > > Wayne, Judy, Tele,
> > > >
> > > > I'm with you all the way on the first part.
> > > God, what
> > > > God? Which God? But allow me to elaborate
> > > further,
> > > > below...
> > > > --- telebob wrote:
> > > > > Wayne-
> > > > >
> > > > >! ; I think as you do, and thank you for
> > > reminding us
> > > > > that most priests and
> > > > > factotems are basically criminals who spread
> > > > > cultural myths
> > > >
> > > > totally. Myths that preceded that particular
> > > religion
> > > > which the priests and factotems accepted as
> > > truth and
> > > > preached, or myths that were flagrantly made
> > > up to
> > > > suit a cultural bias in order to bring more
> > > ignorant
> > > > humans to the "fold".
> > > >
> > > > (all the better
> > > > > if they believe what they preach, it makes
> > > it easier
> > > > > for them to sleep)in
> > > > > order to retain and extend personal and
> > > > > institutional power. This is not to
> > > > > say that there are no benefits, since those
> > > common
> > > > > mythyologies help to
> > > > > create a 'public order' no matter what the
> > > standard.
> > > > > Are religious
> > > > > societies 'better' than secular societies?
> > > >
> > > > Fuck, no!
> > > >
> > > > How do
> > > > > ! we measure? These are
> > > > > topics worthy of millions of tomes, and
> > > indeed you
> > > > > know they are out there
> > > > > discussing this shit still, like a bunch of
> > > > > sophomores who have just
> > > > > dicovered 'philosophy'.
> > > >
> > > > How dare they abuse us by discussing them?!
> >
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