sweatshops value added around the world

[Your Libertarian]

Jon,

Please. I am well aware of the plight of the third world people. Their
relationship to the dot comers is the chaos and uncertainty of the job
structure planet wide. Any fool can understand the difference in their
economic levels.

What I was asking you is a quick paragraph or two on your ideological
alternative. That Capitalism exploits and uses people is not news. My
question is what kind of system do you want? What alternative do you
envision?

...and by the way the American corn farmers are not doing well either. The
corn belt is bought up by Cargell and the other grain giants. The problem is
worldwide.

Best,

Jeff





----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: sweatshops value added around the world


> Jeff- read the page again--use your imagination. These facts are nothing
> like  those relating to the dotcommers who lost their jobs-- these people
> are doing virtual slave-labor that no American will do, under conditions
no
> American would tolerate-- some are murdered for minor on the job
infractions
> . Their is age discrimination due to the fact that children complain less
> about working conditions and work for very little. Their is rtampant
sexual
> abuse in many of these factories. And this is outsource stuff; this is the
> "value added" of US businesses doing business in foreign countries. I only
> bring this business up not because I'm obsessed with it unpatriotically,
but
> because Bob argued fatuously that the US was giving   the rest of the
world
> enormous benefits by its "value added" great products, which I pointed out
> to him were increasingly manufactured in Third World, so the US can keep
its
> own costs down and our environments purer at the expense of those of other
> nations (dumb, huh?). Believe it or not, this was my thought, and then
> things started spinning out of control.
>
> Jon
>
>
> >
> >Having visited number of Communist and dictatorial countries it's obvious
> >to
> >me that the Capitalist system is the only thing that works.
>
> Jeff-- I'm no  fan of communism, nor of Osama Bin Laden, nor of
> dictatorships. I don't see capitalism as either an absolute good or an
> absolute  evil. But answer me this-- Is it OK to be dictatorial but not
> communist?  Are no capitalist countries dictatorships? Don't  we have
> dictators in capitalist countries?  Let's face it , Jeff, the US foreign
> policy is to back dictatorships which provide a strong military  base to
> keep order so we can have stable sweatshops-- until our companies get
ready
> to move on to the next dictatorship, where people will work for a little
bit
> less. These abrupt shifts out of the market tend to destabalize the local
> economies a bit, yes? Not to mention undermining labor movements?  So we
> could say, Jeff that this is capitalism with an inhuman face. And one
> wonders why people dislike us so much (outside of the dictators, whom we
> work hard to keep in power!)
> Jeff, if you still can't understand this, I'm sorry , but I think it's
true.
> I wish it weren't, and underthe Clinton administration a little work had
> been done to control some of the worst of the sweats and the US sanctioned
> anti-labor policies here and abroad. Under Bush, it's full speed ahead--!
>
>
>
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