From daryl at revolutionbrake.com Sat Mar 7 17:08:59 2009 From: daryl at revolutionbrake.com (Daryl Armstrong) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:08:59 -0800 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion Message-ID: <20090307220918.322F712036D@mailwash11.pair.com> Hello, I have just joined the list. I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out how to use the archives easily.... Does anyone know or can point me to knowledge about the installation of an SL hood and grill on my 300CE? I've seen pictures of what looks like an SL hood on a CE and I'm not sure if it is a special hood or just and SL hood. The link below is to a repair manual auction on eBay with the picture: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140304185261 BTW, anyone know if this manual is any good? Any assistance greatly appreciated. Thanks. Daryl. '90 300CE '85 500SEC Euro '88 560SEC '89 560SEC '74 280 SEL 4.5 '79 300CD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 862 bytes Desc: not available Url : From daryl at revolutionbrake.com Mon Mar 9 13:54:25 2009 From: daryl at revolutionbrake.com (Daryl Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:54:25 -0700 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090309175437.889C512039F@mailwash11.pair.com> Thanks Robert. I tracked down the SL (looking) body kit on their site and called about the various parts. It is available but it's a bit rich for my blood.... Hood bumper and grille come to $3500 and change plus shipping. Purchases over $500 qualify for a 20% discount so one could conceivably get it delivered for about 3500 or so. If anyone is interested the web address is http://www.performanceproducts4benz.com and the phone number is 1.888.843.2822 Best regards, Daryl Armstrong -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allday at earthlink.net Mon Mar 9 15:16:35 2009 From: allday at earthlink.net (John Allday) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:16:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion Message-ID: <25514678.1236626195814.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daryl at revolutionbrake.com Mon Mar 9 15:44:39 2009 From: daryl at revolutionbrake.com (Daryl Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:44:39 -0700 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: <25514678.1236626195814.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090309194453.B0198120355@mailwash11.pair.com> Actually John I didn't ask for an opinion, I was thinking fuzzy dice as I sit here making rules in Outlook so that I never have to hear from you again. Yours would be the third email address I've seen with a response so far in my short life on the 124 list, making a 66.6'% success rate. I'm sure it will improve with time. Daryl. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Mar 9 16:09:22 2009 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:09:22 -0400 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: <20090309194453.B0198120355@mailwash11.pair.com> References: <20090309194453.B0198120355@mailwash11.pair.com> Message-ID: Maybe I am missing something, but if I wanted an "SL" look I would start with an SL. Whatever comments you receive...re-read your original message what John wrote is more of " very good advice" than an opinion keep cruisin Jay H On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Daryl Armstrong wrote: > Actually John I didn't ask for an opinion, I was thinking fuzzy > dice as I sit here making rules in Outlook so that I never have to > hear from you again. Yours would be the third email address I've > seen with a response so far in my short life on the 124 list, > making a 66.6'% success rate. I'm sure it will improve with time. > > Daryl. > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acordova at texas.net Mon Mar 9 22:22:16 2009 From: acordova at texas.net (Alec Cordova) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:22:16 -0500 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Daryl, if you had known ahead of time, you probably would have been better off asking for an SEC-style grille. I suspect that's what you're looking for, where the Mercedes logo is in the grille (and oversized) instead of mounted on top of the hood. Still, I think a lot of the list members think Mercedes got just about everything right the first time on the W124 coupes. (Well, except for the unreliable air conditioning and the unstoppable oil leaks.) OTOH, you're wish is a whole lot tamer than the ones I heard when I sold my 89 300CE last spring. She had pretty much reached the end of her elegant period, so with all I could justify trying to sell her for, both of the people that came to see her were talking about things like Rolls Royce grilles and oversized superchromed wheels. I only hope the kid I sold her to never feels obligated to bring her back by and show me what he's done. ;-) Performance Products tends to be a little pricey. You might try Googling other sources, but just look for grille instead of for hood. At least you like your car enough to try to personalize it and to improve it according to your taste. Regards and Happy Benzing, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 16K previous (and frequently missed) 89 300CE, 85 300DT, and 80 240D -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Jay Hirsch Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:09 PM To: daryl at revolutionbrake.com; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion Maybe I am missing something, but if I wanted an "SL" look I would start with an SL. Whatever comments you receive...re-read your original message what John wrote is more of " very good advice" than an opinion keep cruisin Jay H On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Daryl Armstrong wrote: Actually John I didn't ask for an opinion, I was thinking fuzzy dice as I sit here making rules in Outlook so that I never have to hear from you again. Yours would be the third email address I've seen with a response so far in my short life on the 124 list, making a 66.6'% success rate. I'm sure it will improve with time. Daryl. _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From daryl at revolutionbrake.com Tue Mar 10 13:41:46 2009 From: daryl at revolutionbrake.com (Daryl Armstrong) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:41:46 -0700 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090310174159.71CDC120807@mailwash11.pair.com> Thanks for your input Alec. I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers the fog lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the headlights.... It's just too wide. I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might use some aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side skirts and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an argument with a curb... I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted black on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) Thanks. Daryl. From pifcat2 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 14:32:19 2009 From: pifcat2 at yahoo.com (Felix) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion References: <20090310174159.71CDC120807@mailwash11.pair.com> Message-ID: <721171.36450.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To each their own, just satisfy yourself. I've modified cars appearance extensively but have been conservative with my W124's. It's a good design when change doesn't add value. ________________________________ From: Daryl Armstrong To: Alec Cordova ; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41:46 AM Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion Thanks for your input Alec. I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers the fog lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the headlights.... It's just too wide. I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might use some aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side skirts and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an argument with a curb... I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted black on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) Thanks. Daryl. _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at robinft.co.uk Tue Mar 10 16:10:09 2009 From: info at robinft.co.uk (Robin Farquhar-Thomson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:09 +0000 Subject: [W124] 300CE hood conversion In-Reply-To: <721171.36450.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090310174159.71CDC120807@mailwash11.pair.com> <721171.36450.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2744d2d049df2a1823cd3b3cf934f77c@robinft.co.uk> I agree with Felix If you want a Rolls Royce go buy one - they are cheap enough If you want a W124 keep it the way it was supposed to look Mine has a few dings here and there but still looks awesome and drives like a dream after 135000 miles On 10 Mar 2009, at 18:32, Felix wrote: > To each their own, just satisfy yourself.? I've modified cars > appearance extensively but have been conservative with my W124's. It's > a good design when change doesn't add value. > > From: Daryl Armstrong > To: Alec Cordova ; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41:46 AM > Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion > > > Thanks for your input Alec. > I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers > the fog > lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the > headlights.... > It's just too wide. > > I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might > use some > aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side > skirts > and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an > argument > with a curb... > > I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted > black > on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. > > Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of > driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) > > Thanks. > Daryl. > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3813 bytes Desc: not available Url : From iufan35 at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 11 15:09:29 2009 From: iufan35 at bellsouth.net (iufan35) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:09:29 -0400 Subject: [W124] Hey! Message-ID: Satish! Is this your email address?? Any chance you will ever update the mbcoupes site? What are you working on now? Robert Danner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: 300CE hood conversion (Daryl Armstrong) 2. Re: 300CE hood conversion (Felix) 3. Re: 300CE hood conversion (Robin Farquhar-Thomson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:41:46 -0700 From: "Daryl Armstrong" Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion To: "'Alec Cordova'" , "'W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles'" Message-ID: <20090310174159.71CDC120807 at mailwash11.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for your input Alec. I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers the fog lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the headlights.... It's just too wide. I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might use some aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side skirts and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an argument with a curb... I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted black on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) Thanks. Daryl. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Felix Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion To: daryl at revolutionbrake.com, Alec Cordova , W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Message-ID: <721171.36450.qm at web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To each their own, just satisfy yourself. I've modified cars appearance extensively but have been conservative with my W124's. It's a good design when change doesn't add value. ________________________________ From: Daryl Armstrong To: Alec Cordova ; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41:46 AM Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion Thanks for your input Alec. I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers the fog lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the headlights.... It's just too wide. I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might use some aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side skirts and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an argument with a curb... I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted black on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) Thanks. Daryl. _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:09 +0000 From: Robin Farquhar-Thomson Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Message-ID: <2744d2d049df2a1823cd3b3cf934f77c at robinft.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" I agree with Felix If you want a Rolls Royce go buy one - they are cheap enough If you want a W124 keep it the way it was supposed to look Mine has a few dings here and there but still looks awesome and drives like a dream after 135000 miles On 10 Mar 2009, at 18:32, Felix wrote: > To each their own, just satisfy yourself.? I've modified cars > appearance extensively but have been conservative with my W124's. It's > a good design when change doesn't add value. > > From: Daryl Armstrong > To: Alec Cordova ; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:41:46 AM > Subject: Re: [W124] 300CE hood conversion > > > Thanks for your input Alec. > I have 3 SECs and a spare grille. The grille bezel completely covers > the fog > lights and any 'surround' material will partially obscure the > headlights.... > It's just too wide. > > I bought this car totaled with front end damage and thought I might > use some > aftermarket parts to personalize the look a bit. It has Lorinser side > skirts > and rear bumper (supposedly) but the front was scraped off in an > argument > with a curb... > > I'm leaning toward staying with the factory grille. I saw one painted > black > on a black car (which this is) and I thought it an improvement. > > Lets see..... A Rolls Royce grille eh? Hmmm... Always liked the idea of > driving behind a 'flying lady' ;) > > Thanks. > Daryl. > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3813 bytes Desc: not available Url : ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list End of W124list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 *************************************** From ml9003 at pinztrek.com Sun Mar 15 20:50:15 2009 From: ml9003 at pinztrek.com (Alan Barrow) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:50:15 -0400 Subject: [W124] 87 300D Heat stuck on, mono-valve is OK In-Reply-To: <2744d2d049df2a1823cd3b3cf934f77c@robinft.co.uk> References: <20090310174159.71CDC120807@mailwash11.pair.com> <721171.36450.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2744d2d049df2a1823cd3b3cf934f77c@robinft.co.uk> Message-ID: <49BDA247.4090107@pinztrek.com> Hello all, Heat is now stuck on all the time in my 87 300d. Mono-valve is working correctly, and I can jumper it to force heat off. AC works fine and I believe cycles on/off depending on thermostat position. (I'm going to test this again). Other controls work correctly. Never had the climate panel out, but did not sound like any of the typical 124 climate control problems. I lost the cd with that part of the service manual on it, so stalled trying to trace the wiring. Sounds to me like the transistor driving the mono-valve is bad. Or wiring one. Any suggestions with info to troubleshoot this would be greatly appreciated! thanks, Alan From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Mar 16 02:50:05 2009 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:50:05 -0400 Subject: [W124] 87 300D Heat stuck on, mono-valve is OK In-Reply-To: <49BDA247.4090107@pinztrek.com> References: <20090310174159.71CDC120807@mailwash11.pair.com> <721171.36450.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2744d2d049df2a1823cd3b3cf934f77c@robinft.co.uk> <49BDA247.4090107@pinztrek.com> Message-ID: Alan Had similar problem with my 300 SDL. Bought a used climate control unit on Ebay for $50, put it in and everything back to normal. The climate units in Mercedes are similar to the first climate units introduced by Cadillac in 1964. By the early 70, Caddy had all the kinks ironed out. Mercedes had to prove their engineering ability by adding more parts....vacuum lines to insure more problems Where Caddy went simple Mercedes went Mercedes The climate unit in my 1976 Eldorado works just like the day it came from the dealer. The Eldo has 4-wheel disc brakes good luck Jay H On Mar 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Alan Barrow wrote: > Hello all, > > Heat is now stuck on all the time in my 87 300d. Mono-valve is working > correctly, and I can jumper it to force heat off. > > AC works fine and I believe cycles on/off depending on thermostat > position. (I'm going to test this again). Other controls work > correctly. > > Never had the climate panel out, but did not sound like any of the > typical 124 climate control problems. I lost the cd with that part of > the service manual on it, so stalled trying to trace the wiring. > > Sounds to me like the transistor driving the mono-valve is bad. Or > wiring one. > > Any suggestions with info to troubleshoot this would be greatly > appreciated! > > thanks, > > Alan > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list