From jeffreyt06 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  1 13:20:36 2008
From: jeffreyt06 at comcast.net (jeffreyt06 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:20:36 +0000
Subject: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
Message-ID: <030120081820.2122.47C99E74000B67160000084A2215567074C0CF9B970A9D00000A06@comcast.net>

My 91 300CE, which I love, has a leaking oil pan gasket. I thought I was going to be "big tough man" and say screw you to the rip off MB dealer and do it myself. I bought the new gasket, and when I looked under the engine, it was very scary. Now I am stuck! One repair shop said they had to lift the engine out to change the oil pan gasket. Is this true? I was sure I could do this myself. Thanks for any info.
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From J.Hirsch at mac.com  Sat Mar  1 13:26:58 2008
From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:26:58 -0500
Subject: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
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Oil under the  pan
Part of being a "well built car," is ease of service, which MB is not.  
Since the  early 1980s MB has "lost a lot of engineering," sorry to 
say.
keep cruisin
Jay H
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From dakota at mac.com  Sat Mar  1 13:49:34 2008
From: dakota at mac.com (Steve Nervig)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:49:34 -0800
Subject: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
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Someone wrote:

> My 91 300CE, which I love, has a leaking oil pan gasket. I thought I  
> was going to be "big tough man" and say screw you to the rip off MB  
> dealer and do it myself. I bought the new gasket, and when I looked  
> under the engine, it was very scary. Now I am stuck! One repair shop  
> said they had to lift the engine out to change the oil pan gasket.  
> Is this true? I was sure I could do this myself. Thanks for any info.

Yikes, I never looked at the job before. It's 14 pages in the manual.  
I hope you have the manual.

Yes you have to lift the engine (unbolt engine mounts, remove torsion  
bar, unbolt drag link). Is there a good indy in your area, instead of  
the dealer?

Regards,
Steve


From acordova at texas.net  Sun Mar  2 02:43:08 2008
From: acordova at texas.net (Alec Cordova)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:43:08 -0600
Subject: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
In-Reply-To: <511F36BC-4265-4D4E-A1E4-583920CBE881@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BIEHIAIHJLANAEACPPIGMENHCOAA.acordova@texas.net>

I remember hearing that this job involved an unexpected amount of work.
Reconfirm the diagnosis. It'll of course flow down to the oil pan, but the
more common leaks are at the head gasket, the valve cover gasket, or the
front upper or lower timing cover. And of those, the head and the upper
front timing cover are usually guilty.

Alec Cordova
Taylor, Texas
89 300CE, 233K

> -----Original Message-----
> From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Steve Nervig
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles
> Subject: Re: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
>
>
>
> Someone wrote:
>
> > My 91 300CE, which I love, has a leaking oil pan gasket. I thought I
> > was going to be "big tough man" and say screw you to the rip off MB
> > dealer and do it myself. I bought the new gasket, and when I looked
> > under the engine, it was very scary. Now I am stuck! One repair shop
> > said they had to lift the engine out to change the oil pan gasket.
> > Is this true? I was sure I could do this myself. Thanks for any info.
>
> Yikes, I never looked at the job before. It's 14 pages in the manual.
> I hope you have the manual.
>
> Yes you have to lift the engine (unbolt engine mounts, remove torsion
> bar, unbolt drag link). Is there a good indy in your area, instead of
> the dealer?
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
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From decmcdermott at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  2 08:58:34 2008
From: decmcdermott at hotmail.com (Declan Mc Dermott)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:58:34 +0000
Subject: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking
In-Reply-To: <BIEHIAIHJLANAEACPPIGMENHCOAA.acordova@texas.net>
References: <511F36BC-4265-4D4E-A1E4-583920CBE881@mac.com>
	<BIEHIAIHJLANAEACPPIGMENHCOAA.acordova@texas.net>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W5775E728F978924B9A6B4FD2160@phx.gbl>


Agree 100% with Alec.  Also check the seal behind the front crankshaft pully as these can fail causing a leak down the front of the pan.
 
Dec.> From: acordova at texas.net> To: w124list at mbcoupes.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:43:08 -0600> Subject: Re: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking> > I remember hearing that this job involved an unexpected amount of work.> Reconfirm the diagnosis. It'll of course flow down to the oil pan, but the> more common leaks are at the head gasket, the valve cover gasket, or the> front upper or lower timing cover. And of those, the head and the upper> front timing cover are usually guilty.> > Alec Cordova> Taylor, Texas> 89 300CE, 233K> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com> > [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Steve Nervig> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:50 PM> > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles> > Subject: Re: [W124] 1991 300CE oil pan gasket leaking> >> >> >> > Someone wrote:> >> > > My 91 300CE, which I love, has a leaking oil pan gasket. I thought I> > > was going to be "big tough man" and say screw you to the rip off MB> > > dealer and do it myself. I bought the new gasket, and when I looked> > > under the engine, it was very scary. Now I am stuck! One repair shop> > > said they had to lift the engine out to change the oil pan gasket.> > > Is this true? I was sure I could do this myself. Thanks for any info.> >> > Yikes, I never looked at the job before. It's 14 pages in the manual.> > I hope you have the manual.> >> > Yes you have to lift the engine (unbolt engine mounts, remove torsion> > bar, unbolt drag link). Is there a good indy in your area, instead of> > the dealer?> >> > Regards,> > Steve> >> > _______________________________________________> > W124list mailing list> > W124list at mbcoupes.com> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list> >> > _______________________________________________> W124list mailing list> W124list at mbcoupes.com> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list
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From mw_burley at msn.com  Sun Mar  2 13:14:24 2008
From: mw_burley at msn.com (MICHAEL BURLEY)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:14:24 -0800
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV8C8CA8DA73F436843826A95160@phx.gbl>


Hello all,

I recently had the wiring harness replaced on my 1994 C320 coupe. The technicians are having problems solving a mystery involving the "Check Engine" light. They couldn't nail down the problem. It seems the computer isn't as sophisticated as the newer cars only offering 16 fault codes. They told me during the mid 90's the German govt. mandated wiring harness' (among other things) must be biodegradable. The problem is they degrade while in the car, potentially causing all manner of problems. This little repair cost me $1600 U.S. Mind you, this service was performed at an independent garage. This didn't solve the "Check Engine" lite burning, but now the tech's think they'll more easily be able to localize the fault. I have some Mercedes-Benz buyers guides that mention wiring harness problems due to heat, but never mention idiot government interference in design as the problem. Comments?
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From decmcdermott at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  2 13:33:30 2008
From: decmcdermott at hotmail.com (Declan Mc Dermott)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:33:30 +0000
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV8C8CA8DA73F436843826A95160@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-DAV8C8CA8DA73F436843826A95160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W38F2ECE82F3A279DE299C0D2160@phx.gbl>


Hi Michael,
 
The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness are well documented.
 
 What is not often realised is that the wiring which connects the throttle body to the main harness can also fail causing all sorts of running problems. Perhaps you might have this looked at.
 
I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can be replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron - you do not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
 
Dec.


From: mw_burley at msn.comTo: w124list at mbcoupes.comDate: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:14:24 -0800Subject: [W124] Wiring harness



 
Hello all,
 
I recently had the wiring harness replaced on my 1994 C320 coupe. The technicians are having problems solving a mystery involving the "Check Engine" light. They couldn't nail down the problem. It seems the computer isn't as sophisticated as the newer cars only offering 16 fault codes. They told me during the mid 90's the German govt. mandated wiring harness' (among other things) must be biodegradable. The problem is they degrade while in the car, potentially causing all manner of problems. This little repair cost me $1600 U.S. Mind you, this service was performed at an independent garage. This didn't solve the "Check Engine" lite burning, but now the tech's think they'll more easily be able to localize the fault. I have some Mercedes-Benz buyers guides that mention wiring harness problems due to heat, but never mention idiot government interference in design as the problem. Comments?
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From pifcat2 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 13:48:32 2008
From: pifcat2 at yahoo.com (Felix)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:48:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W38F2ECE82F3A279DE299C0D2160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <618644.39872.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm having start problems with my car and I found the cam sensor wiring is exposed with a few wire strands broken in a couple of places.  Can't tell if it's disintregrating or if it was severed somehow.  I only see one wire to the molded plug.  Is this repairable or part of the harness that's sold separately?  What's the page # in the service CD?  

Thanks,
Felix

Declan Mc Dermott <decmcdermott at hotmail.com> wrote:    .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }   Hi Michael,
  
 The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness are well documented.
  
  What is not often realised is that the wiring which connects the throttle body to the main harness can also fail causing all sorts of running problems. Perhaps you might have this looked at.
  
 I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can be replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron - you do not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
  
 Dec.


  
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 From: mw_burley at msn.com
To: w124list at mbcoupes.com
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:14:24 -0800
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness

      
 Hello all,
  
 I recently had the wiring harness replaced on my 1994 C320 coupe. The technicians are having problems solving a mystery involving the "Check Engine" light. They couldn't nail down the problem. It seems the computer isn't as sophisticated as the newer cars only offering 16 fault codes. They told me during the mid 90's the German govt. mandated wiring harness' (among other things) must be biodegradable. The problem is they degrade while in the car, potentially causing all manner of problems. This little repair cost me $1600 U.S. Mind you, this service was performed at an independent garage. This didn't solve the "Check Engine" lite burning, but now the tech's think they'll more easily be able to localize the fault. I have some Mercedes-Benz buyers guides that mention wiring harness problems due to heat, but never mention idiot government interference in design as the problem. Comments?
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From jhodgman at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 13:58:35 2008
From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:58:35 -0500
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV8C8CA8DA73F436843826A95160@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-DAV8C8CA8DA73F436843826A95160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47CAF8DB.5090205@gmail.com>

Hello Michael,

Did they clear all the codes after replacing the wiring harness??  
You'll have to go through and clear each one separately if they do not 
have the DAS on hand. 

What codes are currently being thrown?

Jonathan
MICHAEL BURLEY wrote:
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> I recently had the wiring harness replaced on my 1994 C320 coupe. The 
> technicians are having problems solving a mystery involving the "Check 
> Engine" light. They couldn't nail down the problem. It seems the 
> computer isn't as sophisticated as the newer cars only offering 16 
> fault codes. They told me during the mid 90's the German govt. 
> mandated wiring harness' (among other things) must be biodegradable. 
> The problem is they degrade while in the car, potentially causing all 
> manner of problems. This little repair cost me $1600 U.S. Mind you, 
> this service was performed at an independent garage. This didn't solve 
> the "Check Engine" lite burning, but now the tech's think they'll more 
> easily be able to localize the fault. I have some Mercedes-Benz buyers 
> guides that mention wiring harness problems due to heat, but never 
> mention idiot government interference in design as the problem. Comments?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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*Updates weekly*

1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst"
1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale)
1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP)
1989 560 SEC Euro ECE *Parts*
1988 300 TE
1989 560 SEC AMG (Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.)
1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V
1986 560 SEL 6.0L 32V AMG
1980 280 SE Euro
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From jhodgman at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 14:00:18 2008
From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:00:18 -0500
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <618644.39872.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <618644.39872.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47CAF942.2020001@gmail.com>

Felix,

If you are seeing exposed wires it's Really best to replace the 
harness.  If you try to repair one part undoubtedly another part will 
fail from having been touched.

The job is do-able for a moderate DIY...it's more a case of taking one's 
time and replacing the wires/ends a section @ a time.

Jonathan
Felix wrote:
> I'm having start problems with my car and I found the cam sensor 
> wiring is exposed with a few wire strands broken in a couple of 
> places.  Can't tell if it's disintregrating or if it was severed 
> somehow.  I only see one wire to the molded plug.  Is this repairable 
> or part of the harness that's sold separately?  What's the page # in 
> the service CD? 
>
> Thanks,
> Felix
>
> */Declan Mc Dermott <decmcdermott at hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>     Hi Michael,
>      
>     The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness are well
>     documented.
>      
>      What is not often realised is that the wiring which connects the
>     throttle body to the main harness can also fail causing all sorts
>     of running problems. Perhaps you might have this looked at.
>      
>     I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can be
>     replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron - you do
>     not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
>      
>     Dec.
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         From: mw_burley at msn.com
>         To: w124list at mbcoupes.com
>         Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:14:24 -0800
>         Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
>
-- 
Blue Ridge Mercedes
Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification.
Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world.
Located in the Greater Atlanta area.
http://www.blueridgemb.com
*Updates weekly*

1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst"
1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale)
1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP)
1989 560 SEC Euro ECE *Parts*
1988 300 TE
1989 560 SEC AMG (Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.)
1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V
1986 560 SEL 6.0L 32V AMG
1980 280 SE Euro
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From mw_burley at msn.com  Sun Mar  2 14:29:29 2008
From: mw_burley at msn.com (MICHAEL BURLEY)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:29:29 -0800
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
References: <mailman.223.1204484438.93597.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV80DDB06663341132C34FA95160@phx.gbl>


Jonathan <jhodgman at gmail.com<mailto:jhodgman at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hello Michael,

> Did they clear all the codes after replacing the wiring harness??  
> You'll have to go through and clear each one separately if they do not 
> have the DAS on hand. 

> What codes are currently being thrown?

> Jonathan


Yes, they cleared the codes after harness replacement. I don't know which codes were thrown this time around. What I didn't mention before was the car wouldn't start. The tech's determined over pressure in the fuel rail, cause undetermined. As the "Check Engine" lite is burning again, I'll have to get the car looked at again. 

After the harness was replaced, my sensitive throttle problem went away. During hot weather, the cruise control sometimes wouldn't engage. I'll be interested to see if this problem crops up again next Summer. The car runs fine now.

Mike 
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From bob at theswingkings.com  Sun Mar  2 17:42:12 2008
From: bob at theswingkings.com (Bob Peters)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:42:12 -0000
Subject: [W124] 560sec
Message-ID: <00cd01c87cb6$a80f82a0$53bb2d52@bob0490ecc49d2>

Hi Bob peter hear I have a 1991 560sec coupe auto.I have a intermitent fault 
of not starting .I just replaced Exhaust took car for drive put some fuel in 
started ok. Drove little bit stopped agian came out of shop will not start 
turns over no bother no attempt to start. Any ideas.

              cheers bp 



From jhodgman at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 19:29:17 2008
From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:29:17 -0500
Subject: [W124] 560sec
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c87cb6$a80f82a0$53bb2d52@bob0490ecc49d2>
References: <00cd01c87cb6$a80f82a0$53bb2d52@bob0490ecc49d2>
Message-ID: <47CB465D.1020004@gmail.com>

Bob Peters wrote:
> Hi Bob peter hear I have a 1991 560sec coupe auto.I have a intermitent 
> fault of not starting .I just replaced Exhaust took car for drive put 
> some fuel in started ok. Drove little bit stopped agian came out of 
> shop will not start turns over no bother no attempt to start. Any ideas.
>
>              cheers bp
>
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If the engine is turning over but the car will not fire/start I'd wager 
it's your fuel pump relay.  Very easy to test.  Pull the relay and 
jumper pins 7 & 8 if the car re-starts with the jumper in place you know 
your relay is defective.

Jonathan


-- 
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Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification.
Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world.
Located in the Greater Atlanta area.
http://www.blueridgemb.com
*Updates weekly*

1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst"
1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale)
1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP)
1989 560 SEC Euro ECE *Parts*
1988 300 TE
1989 560 SEC AMG (Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.)
1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V
1986 560 SEL 6.0L 32V AMG
1980 280 SE Euro
2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec


From jim.stadter at ngc.com  Mon Mar  3 11:59:01 2008
From: jim.stadter at ngc.com (Stadter, Jim)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:59:01 -0600
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <mailman.223.1204484438.93597.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
References: <mailman.223.1204484438.93597.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <33039DBDED22BE47B9F45999ED0D7A044D4451@XMBTX143.northgrum.com>

Declan wrote:
  
>  The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness 
> are well documented.
>   
>   What is not often realised is that the wiring which 
> connects the throttle body to the main harness can also fail 
> causing all sorts of running problems. Perhaps you might have 
> this looked at.
>   
>  I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can 
> be replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron 
> - you do not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
>   

My experience with this issue has been on my E500, so I'll plead
ignorance
as to whether the 6 cylinder CE has a similar arrangement.  On the E500,
the 
throttle body (a.k.a. Electronic Throttle Actuator (ETA)) has internal
wiring that
also degrades due to the typical biodegradable issues with this era of
MB.
There's a good website run by Jim Forgione that talks about a lot of the
issues
with the early '90s cars, and I remember seeing a picture on the
site that shows the internals of an ETA and what the wiring looks like
on a bad one.
Based on that, I wonder whether replacing just the leads to the throttle
body would
be sufficient.  A new ETA ran me $1200 from Caliber Motors a couple of
years ago.

When I replaced the upper and lower harness on my car, I wrapped both in
Firebraid
with the hope of providing additional heat insulation to slow down the
degradation.
http://www.500ecstasy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3969&highlight=firebra
id

Jim
--
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'89 190DE 2.6  241Kmi
'94 E500
Austin, TX

From J.Hirsch at mac.com  Mon Mar  3 12:06:28 2008
From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:06:28 -0500
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <33039DBDED22BE47B9F45999ED0D7A044D4451@XMBTX143.northgrum.com>
References: <mailman.223.1204484438.93597.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
	<33039DBDED22BE47B9F45999ED0D7A044D4451@XMBTX143.northgrum.com>
Message-ID: <c10bdaeb9138d67d3b6d4ed377773a91@mac.com>

If you were to read all this about  wiring etc., does not say much for  
Mercedes engineering
keep cruisin
Jay H
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Stadter, Jim wrote:

> Declan wrote:
>
>>  The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness
>> are well documented.
>>
>>   What is not often realised is that the wiring which
>> connects the throttle body to the main harness can also fail
>> causing all sorts of running problems. Perhaps you might have
>> this looked at.
>>
>>  I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can
>> be replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron
>> - you do not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
>>
>
> My experience with this issue has been on my E500, so I'll plead
> ignorance
> as to whether the 6 cylinder CE has a similar arrangement.  On the  
> E500,
> the
> throttle body (a.k.a. Electronic Throttle Actuator (ETA)) has internal
> wiring that
> also degrades due to the typical biodegradable issues with this era of
> MB.
> There's a good website run by Jim Forgione that talks about a lot of  
> the
> issues
> with the early '90s cars, and I remember seeing a picture on the
> site that shows the internals of an ETA and what the wiring looks like
> on a bad one.
> Based on that, I wonder whether replacing just the leads to the  
> throttle
> body would
> be sufficient.  A new ETA ran me $1200 from Caliber Motors a couple of
> years ago.
>
> When I replaced the upper and lower harness on my car, I wrapped both  
> in
> Firebraid
> with the hope of providing additional heat insulation to slow down the
> degradation.
> http://www.500ecstasy.com/forums/showthread.php? 
> t=3969&highlight=firebra
> id
>
> Jim
> --
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> '89 190DE 2.6  241Kmi
> '94 E500
> Austin, TX
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From ja.law at bigpond.net.au  Mon Mar  3 20:14:28 2008
From: ja.law at bigpond.net.au (James Antonenas)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:14:28 +1100
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF107509C0B6@server.ja.com.au>
Message-ID: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF10750981E7@server.ja.com.au>

Look - just face the fact it's a shitbox.

-----Original Message-----
From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Stadter, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2008 3:59 AM
To: w124list at mbcoupes.com
Subject: Re: [W124] Wiring harness

Declan wrote:
  
>  The problems with the early failure of the wiring harness 
> are well documented.
>   
>   What is not often realised is that the wiring which 
> connects the throttle body to the main harness can also fail 
> causing all sorts of running problems. Perhaps you might have 
> this looked at.
>   
>  I do beleive, however, that this short section of wiring can 
> be replaced by someone with some skill with a soldering iron 
> - you do not want to have to replace the complete throttle body !
>   

My experience with this issue has been on my E500, so I'll plead
ignorance
as to whether the 6 cylinder CE has a similar arrangement.  On the E500,
the 
throttle body (a.k.a. Electronic Throttle Actuator (ETA)) has internal
wiring that
also degrades due to the typical biodegradable issues with this era of
MB.
There's a good website run by Jim Forgione that talks about a lot of the
issues
with the early '90s cars, and I remember seeing a picture on the
site that shows the internals of an ETA and what the wiring looks like
on a bad one.
Based on that, I wonder whether replacing just the leads to the throttle
body would
be sufficient.  A new ETA ran me $1200 from Caliber Motors a couple of
years ago.

When I replaced the upper and lower harness on my car, I wrapped both in
Firebraid
with the hope of providing additional heat insulation to slow down the
degradation.
http://www.500ecstasy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3969&highlight=firebra
id

Jim
--
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'89 190DE 2.6  241Kmi
'94 E500
Austin, TX
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From dakota at mac.com  Mon Mar  3 22:47:09 2008
From: dakota at mac.com (Steve Nervig)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:47:09 -0800
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF10750981E7@server.ja.com.au>
References: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF10750981E7@server.ja.com.au>
Message-ID: <1188A3D0-EE51-4DE0-B1C9-3D2EA580813F@mac.com>


Someone babbled:

> Look - just face the fact it's a shitbox.
>

It's probably just a reflection of its driver. Mine, of course, is  
perfect.

Steve


From J.Hirsch at mac.com  Mon Mar  3 23:18:00 2008
From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:18:00 -0500
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <1188A3D0-EE51-4DE0-B1C9-3D2EA580813F@mac.com>
References: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF10750981E7@server.ja.com.au>
	<1188A3D0-EE51-4DE0-B1C9-3D2EA580813F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <38b7c7119cd33d91954e9558fcaaf28f@mac.com>

manure box is not that incorrect
Jay H
On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Steve Nervig wrote:

>
> Someone babbled:
>
>> Look - just face the fact it's a shitbox.
>>
>
> It's probably just a reflection of its driver. Mine, of course, is 
> perfect.
>
> Steve
>
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From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 01:20:37 2008
From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (bullwinklefan at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:20:37 +0000
Subject: [W124] Wiring harness
In-Reply-To: <38b7c7119cd33d91954e9558fcaaf28f@mac.com>
References: <F9C2C69196D1D9408C29D60E1CFF10750981E7@server.ja.com.au><1188A3D0-EE51-4DE0-B1C9-3D2EA580813F@mac.com><38b7c7119cd33d91954e9558fcaaf28f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1950944499-1204611817-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1379722639-@bxe019.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My 500E is a reflection of it's owner. Both have shit eating grins !  500E = Permagrin
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Hirsch <J.Hirsch at mac.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:18:00 
To:W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles <w124list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: Re: [W124] Wiring harness


manure box is not that incorrect
Jay H
On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Steve Nervig wrote:

>
> Someone babbled:
>
>> Look - just face the fact it's a shitbox.
>>
>
> It's probably just a reflection of its driver. Mine, of course, is 
> perfect.
>
> Steve
>
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From bfargin at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 18:39:34 2008
From: bfargin at yahoo.com (brian jones)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:39:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [W124] Re; "_ _ _ _ box" car
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1204650908.39859.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <758594.13844.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll take my "____box" over any other car out there from
1995 or for that matter even today.  Every time I drive my
coupe or cabriolet I marvel at what a great machine it is. 
There are things about it that frustrate me (the crappy
wiring harness that cost way to much to replace being one
of them) but overall it has been a great and reliable car. 
My coupe (1993) still has the original wire harness and all
I have ever done is routine maintenance (except 1 MAS
replacement) from when I bought it new.  It now has 103K
miles and is still running great (knock wood).  The
cabriolet (1995) had to have a new harness installed.
Cheers,
Brian in TN

************************************************************************************
  MY BLOG:  http://bfargins.blogspot.com/

Breathes there the man with soul so dead; Who never to himself hath said, 
This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd 
As home his footsteps he hath turn'd; From wandering on a foreign strand?
  --Walter Scott--
   
  If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than
  the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace.
    We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
    May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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From mfdesmond at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 21:52:18 2008
From: mfdesmond at comcast.net (mfdesmond at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:52:18 +0000
Subject: [W124] When to replace wire harness?
Message-ID: <030520080252.9334.47CE0AE1000CC9040000247622155751140B0201039C0A0B0003@comcast.net>

Brian:
I purchase a 1994 E320 Cabriolet about a year ago w/ 27K miles on it and it has been a pretty solid car.   I've put 15K work miles on it the past 12 months, it is solid and cruises on the interstate great.  It was buy this car or a 2-3 year old Toyota or Nissan for about the same money.    How did you know when the harness needed to be replaced - did the electrical components start to fail? Visual inspection?  My heater fan motor doesn't cut on/off as it should.   The SRS dash light briefly flickered on today while the car was running.  

Second question - who replaced the electrical harness?  I live outside of Nashville and their are a couple tier 2 Mercedes mechanic shops around and don't know if they could get the aftermarket harness and do the work.    

Mike 
Franklin, TN

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: brian jones <bfargin at yahoo.com> 

> I'll take my "____box" over any other car out there from 
> 1995 or for that matter even today. Every time I drive my 
> coupe or cabriolet I marvel at what a great machine it is. 
> There are things about it that frustrate me (the crappy 
> wiring harness that cost way to much to replace being one 
> of them) but overall it has been a great and reliable car. 
> My coupe (1993) still has the original wire harness and all 
> I have ever done is routine maintenance (except 1 MAS 
> replacement) from when I bought it new. It now has 103K 
> miles and is still running great (knock wood). The 
> cabriolet (1995) had to have a new harness installed. 
> Cheers, 
> Brian in TN 
> 
> ******************************************************************************** 
> **** 
> MY BLOG: http://bfargins.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> Breathes there the man with soul so dead; Who never to himself hath said, 
> This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd 
> As home his footsteps he hath turn'd; From wandering on a foreign strand? 
> --Walter Scott-- 
> 
> If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater 
> than 
> the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. 
> We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.Crouch down and lick the hand that 
> feeds you; 
> May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were 
> our countrymen. 
> --Samuel Adams-- 
> 
> ******************************************************************************** 
> ******* 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________________ 
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From bfargin at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 22:02:39 2008
From: bfargin at yahoo.com (brian jones)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:02:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [W124] Wire harness
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1204737310.33090.w124list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <478212.3821.qm@web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mike,
I was in Pittsburgh (in school) when I had it replaced
(2002).  It was like 900 bucks at the time (if I remember
correctly). That 1600 dollar price recently mentioned made
me jump.

I was having intermittent electrical gremlins on the
cabriolet.  Cruise wouldn't work and then it would, etc.  I
was hoping it was the fuse problem that some people have
had but I changed them all and it didn't help.  So took it
in and he showed me how the harness was starting to fail,
insulation would just flake off in places.  Anyway I had it
changed and all was good after that.

I've heard good things about the gentleman in Franklin that
has the Indie shop but I don't have personal experience
with him (forgot his name as well).  I bought the coupe new
at Middle TN Motor Cars but they have since moved and
changed names.  It seems now the dealer is so used to the
new plug and play cars that they don't really know how to
diagnose and fix cars like ours.  With the newer cars they
just read codes and swap out expensive components.  The
dealer in PA tried to play that game of just trying
different parts when my MAS went out on the coupe. 
Thankfully I found out about the indie up there who
identified the issue in less than an hour and changed out
my MAS which fixed my engine surging problem.

Check fuses first (like many on this board have mentioned
in the past). Even if they look good you might replace them
all (cheap and will then eliminate that possibility). If it
is the harness get quotes from a couple of places.
Cheers,
Brian in TN

************************************************************************************
  MY BLOG:  http://bfargins.blogspot.com/

Breathes there the man with soul so dead; Who never to himself hath said, 
This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd 
As home his footsteps he hath turn'd; From wandering on a foreign strand?
  --Walter Scott--
   
  If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than
  the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace.
    We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
    May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
  --Samuel Adams--
  ***************************************************************************************



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From mfdesmond at comcast.net  Wed Mar  5 23:08:50 2008
From: mfdesmond at comcast.net (mfdesmond at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:08:50 +0000
Subject: [W124] Wire harness
Message-ID: <030620080408.4972.47CF6E52000DE35A0000136C22155670740B0201039C0A0B0003@comcast.net>

B:

When I first purchased my E320 convertible it had many electrical gremlins - dash dials wouldn't always register, windows were slow to respond, ect...   I noticed that somebody had installed aluminum fuses in the copper fuse box.   Copper doesn't play well with other metals.   I bought a whole set of copper fuses for Mercedes, pulled the old fuses out, cleaned the contacts w/ a Q-tip and electrical contact cleaner, installed copper fuses and all has been great since. 

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: brian jones <bfargin at yahoo.com> 

> Mike, 
> I was in Pittsburgh (in school) when I had it replaced 
> (2002). It was like 900 bucks at the time (if I remember 
> correctly). That 1600 dollar price recently mentioned made 
> me jump. 
> 
> I was having intermittent electrical gremlins on the 
> cabriolet. Cruise wouldn't work and then it would, etc. I 
> was hoping it was the fuse problem that some people have 
> had but I changed them all and it didn't help. So took it 
> in and he showed me how the harness was starting to fail, 
> insulation would just flake off in places. Anyway I had it 
> changed and all was good after that. 
> 
> I've heard good things about the gentleman in Franklin that 
> has the Indie shop but I don't have personal experience 
> with him (forgot his name as well). I bought the coupe new 
> at Middle TN Motor Cars but they have since moved and 
> changed names. It seems now the dealer is so used to the 
> new plug and play cars that they don't really know how to 
> diagnose and fix cars like ours. With the newer cars they 
> just read codes and swap out expensive components. The 
> dealer in PA tried to play that game of just trying 
> different parts when my MAS went out on the coupe. 
> Thankfully I found out about the indie up there who 
> identified the issue in less than an hour and changed out 
> my MAS which fixed my engine surging problem. 
> 
> Check fuses first (like many on this board have mentioned 
> in the past). Even if they look good you might replace them 
> all (cheap and will then eliminate that possibility). If it 
> is the harness get quotes from a couple of places. 
> Cheers, 
> Brian in TN 
> 
> ******************************************************************************** 
> **** 
> MY BLOG: http://bfargins.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> Breathes there the man with soul so dead; Who never to himself hath said, 
> This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd 
> As home his footsteps he hath turn'd; From wandering on a foreign strand? 
> --Walter Scott-- 
> 
> If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater 
> than 
> the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. 
> We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.Crouch down and lick the hand that 
> feeds you; 
> May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were 
> our countrymen. 
> --Samuel Adams-- 
> 
> ******************************************************************************** 
> ******* 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________________ 
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From theodoros74cy at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 13:09:40 2008
From: theodoros74cy at yahoo.com (Mouzouros Theodoros)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:09:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [W124] RPM rises and stays to 13 after the engine temperature pases
	60-65 degrees celsius
Message-ID: <595386.4455.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

        Dear friends, i own a '96 ce200 manual gearbox.
  After a series of reparations to the engine and anexes, oxygen sensor, lamda catalist,bord computer reglation ,bobine change, electic installation of injectors changed,spark replasement etc etc i managed to keep the engine running and not to stop suddently,not to overheat and not to change rpm without any reason a lot of times in one minute.
  The only problem i have now is that when the engine is cold i start the engine very easily and the rpm is at 8. After some time, 10-15min depending on traffic when the engine is getting warmer than 60-65 d. celsious the rpm rises to 13 suddenly and remains there all the time without any change in its value.
  Does anyone have any idea why is this so?Fuel consumption is big and the engine reaches to 90 d.celsious
  Thanks
      


Theodoros Mouzouros 
    Cyprus- Romania      

       
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From acordova at texas.net  Thu Mar  6 20:24:16 2008
From: acordova at texas.net (Alec Cordova)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:24:16 -0600
Subject: [W124] RPM rises and stays to 13 after the engine temperature
	pases60-65 degrees celsius
In-Reply-To: <595386.4455.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BIEHIAIHJLANAEACPPIGEEODCOAA.acordova@texas.net>

This goes right along with our recent discussion.

Find a mechanic who is familiar with this range of car and engine, and have
them examine the engine wiring harness for deterioration and breaks. This
may not be your issue, but with those symptoms this should be checked.

Alec Cordova
Taylor, Texas
89 300CE, 233K

-----Original Message-----
From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On
Behalf Of Mouzouros Theodoros
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:10 PM
To: w124list at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W124] RPM rises and stays to 13 after the engine temperature
pases60-65 degrees celsius


Dear friends, i own a '96 ce200 manual gearbox.
After a series of reparations to the engine and anexes, oxygen sensor, lamda
catalist,bord computer reglation ,bobine change, electic installation of
injectors changed,spark replasement etc etc i managed to keep the engine
running and not to stop suddently,not to overheat and not to change rpm
without any reason a lot of times in one minute.
The only problem i have now is that when the engine is cold i start the
engine very easily and the rpm is at 8. After some time, 10-15min depending
on traffic when the engine is getting warmer than 60-65 d. celsious the rpm
rises to 13 suddenly and remains there all the time without any change in
its value.
Does anyone have any idea why is this so?Fuel consumption is big and the
engine reaches to 90 d.celsious
Thanks




Theodoros Mouzouros
    Cyprus- Romania


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From rikard.petersson at maxm.se  Thu Mar  6 20:24:56 2008
From: rikard.petersson at maxm.se (Rikard Petersson)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:24:56 +0100
Subject: [W124]
 =?utf-8?q?RPM_rises_and_stays_to_13_after_the_engine_tempe?=
 =?utf-8?q?rature_=09pases60-65__d?=
Message-ID: <fc.000f6772013b61e43b9aca00d9adbfb6.13b61e5@maxm.se>

Hej.

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Vid br?dskande ?renden kontakta en kollega i mitt team.

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I am on a business trip and will be back the 11:th th of march.

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From: wizol at wp.pl (FILIP WIESE)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:30:46 +0100
Subject: [W124] (no subject)
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From rikard.petersson at maxm.se  Sat Mar 15 08:31:38 2008
From: rikard.petersson at maxm.se (Rikard Petersson)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:31:38 +0100
Subject: [W124] (no subject)
Message-ID: <fc.000f6772013e29dd3b9aca00ce49d217.13e29de@maxm.se>

Hej.

Jag ?r p? semester och ?r ?ter p? kontoret den 17:e mars.

Vid br?dskande ?renden kontakta en kollega i mitt team.

v?xeln +46 (0) 8 613 02 00

I am on vacation and will be back the 17:th th of march.

In urgent matters please contact a collegue in my team.

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Box 5634, Birger Jarlsgatan 31, SE-114 86 Stockholm, Sweden
Phone 	+46-(0)8 613 02 20
Fax 		+46-(0)8 22 73 02
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From bob at theswingkings.com  Sat Mar 22 06:53:37 2008
From: bob at theswingkings.com (Bob Peters)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:53:37 -0000
Subject: [W124] 560sec
References: <00cd01c87cb6$a80f82a0$53bb2d52@bob0490ecc49d2>
	<47CB465D.1020004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00db01c88c0a$fbb5dae0$53bb2d52@bob0490ecc49d2>

to Jonathan Hi Bob here from Scotland the info you gave was right I jumped 
7& 8 started right away .have fitted new relay starts a treat now.


                cheers bp
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan" <jhodgman at gmail.com>
To: "W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles" <w124list at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [W124] 560sec


> Bob Peters wrote:
>> Hi Bob peter hear I have a 1991 560sec coupe auto.I have a intermitent 
>> fault of not starting .I just replaced Exhaust took car for drive put 
>> some fuel in started ok. Drove little bit stopped agian came out of shop 
>> will not start turns over no bother no attempt to start. Any ideas.
>>
>>              cheers bp
>>
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> If the engine is turning over but the car will not fire/start I'd wager 
> it's your fuel pump relay.  Very easy to test.  Pull the relay and jumper 
> pins 7 & 8 if the car re-starts with the jumper in place you know your 
> relay is defective.
>
> Jonathan
>
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