From Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com Thu Jul 17 16:26:03 2008 From: Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com (Frank Smyth) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:26:03 +0100 Subject: [W124] strange bulb failures Message-ID: Hi folks Where abouts is the 'Lights control unit' located in the W124 ? I have an odd issue with one of the front fog lamps right now - don't know if US cars have these, but they are the inboard lamps in the front lamp units. Anyway, one is getting a healthy 12V, the other shows between 6 and 9 volts - upon plugging a good bulb the voltage goes down to zero. It's as if any load on the circuit brings it down. Bulb-failure warning is lit up the whole time. The earths there are sound, I tested it with a new earth lead to a test bulb; the cabling is sound too. Problem is not the bulb, I have swapped in known-good bulbs I need to trace things back to the 'lights control unit'. Fuses are good too - the number-4 fuse servers front fogs as well as the single rear fog. Cheers Frank Dublin, Ireland 1992 230CE W124 ________________________________ About Microsoft Ireland: www.microsoft.com/ireland Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 256796. Microsoft Ireland Research. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 342235. Registered office 70 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2, Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Paul.Gibbons at uk.thalesgroup.com Fri Jul 18 03:21:21 2008 From: Paul.Gibbons at uk.thalesgroup.com (Gibbons, Paul) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:21:21 +0100 Subject: [W124] strange bulb failures Message-ID: Frank, If you've got 6-9 volts without the bulb and 0v when you plug it in, you've got a high resistance somewhere between the 12v source and the positive contact on the bulb. (assuming the earths are ok) I think Mr Ohm had something to say about this.... I don't know where the Light Control unit is, but if the other side bulb is ok, the circuit supplying it is probably ok too. I would start from the positive contact in the bulb holder and work back as far as you can with a DVM or similar monitoring the voltage. The most likely high resistance areas are connectors, so unmate/mate these a few times and check for good clean contacts as you do. If there's a problem, you'll see the voltage change as you disturb it.. Good Luck. -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Frank Smyth Sent: 17 July 2008 21:26 To: w124list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [W124] strange bulb failures Hi folks Where abouts is the 'Lights control unit' located in the W124 ? I have an odd issue with one of the front fog lamps right now - don't know if US cars have these, but they are the inboard lamps in the front lamp units. Anyway, one is getting a healthy 12V, the other shows between 6 and 9 volts - upon plugging a good bulb the voltage goes down to zero. It's as if any load on the circuit brings it down. Bulb-failure warning is lit up the whole time. The earths there are sound, I tested it with a new earth lead to a test bulb; the cabling is sound too. Problem is not the bulb, I have swapped in known-good bulbs I need to trace things back to the 'lights control unit'. Fuses are good too - the number-4 fuse servers front fogs as well as the single rear fog. Cheers Frank Dublin, Ireland 1992 230CE W124 _____ About Microsoft Ireland: www.microsoft.com/ireland Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 256796. Microsoft Ireland Research. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 342235. Registered office 70 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2, Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at robinft.co.uk Fri Jul 18 03:39:22 2008 From: info at robinft.co.uk (Robin Farquhar-Thomson) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:39:22 +0100 Subject: [W124] Fluctuating tick-over Message-ID: <9ded2444fd36098f4df6d993c3ff2c79@robinft.co.uk> I have a much loved E320 coupe 1993 118000 miles on the clock and just recently when at a standstill the revs climb to about 1200 then drop to around 500 and it keeps on going up and down until occasionally it stalls When driving along the car behaves normally but tick-over will keep moving about Any idea what causes this? I'm taking it to the garage on Monday but thought if it was a simple electrical problem someone might know... From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 09:28:31 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] strange bulb failures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80902.73220.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have a case of the dreaded VD!!!!!!!! don't worry it's not what you think, It's voltage drop. If you find the headlight junction blocks ( where the headlights plug in) be hind the headlight assy's and check the voltage readings. Fro mthere i would check the lighting module, located under the fuses in the fuse box. You will need the wiring manual to do a diagnostic on the wiring to tel you which wire goes where. 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(assuming the earths are ok) I think Mr Ohm had something to say about this.... I don't know where the Light Control unit is, but if the other side bulb is ok, the circuit supplying it is probably ok too. I would start from the positive contact in the bulb holder and work back as far as you can with a DVM or similar monitoring the voltage. The most likely high resistance areas are connectors, so unmate/mate these a few times and check for good clean contacts as you do. If there's a problem, you'll see the voltage change as you disturb it.. Good Luck. -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Frank Smyth Sent: 17 July 2008 21:26 To: w124list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [W124] strange bulb failures Hi folks Where abouts is the 'Lights control unit' located in the W124 ? I have an odd issue with one of the front fog lamps right now - don't know if US cars have these, but they are the inboard lamps in the front lamp units. Anyway, one is getting a healthy 12V, the other shows between 6 and 9 volts - upon plugging a good bulb the voltage goes down to zero. It's as if any load on the circuit brings it down. Bulb-failure warning is lit up the whole time. The earths there are sound, I tested it with a new earth lead to a test bulb; the cabling is sound too. Problem is not the bulb, I have swapped in known-good bulbs I need to trace things back to the 'lights control unit'. Fuses are good too - the number-4 fuse servers front fogs as well as the single rear fog. Cheers Frank Dublin, Ireland 1992 230CE W124 --------------------------------- About Microsoft Ireland: www.microsoft.com/ireland Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 256796. Microsoft Ireland Research. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 342235. Registered office 70 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2, Ireland _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 09:33:10 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] Fluctuating tick-over In-Reply-To: <9ded2444fd36098f4df6d993c3ff2c79@robinft.co.uk> Message-ID: <593668.50902.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Engine wiring harness needs to be inspected. The insulation fails and they do all kinds of weird things. I used to call mine Bi-polar before making the $1200 repair. Jeff 92 500E, 92 300CE Robin Farquhar-Thomson wrote: I have a much loved E320 coupe 1993 118000 miles on the clock and just recently when at a standstill the revs climb to about 1200 then drop to around 500 and it keeps on going up and down until occasionally it stalls When driving along the car behaves normally but tick-over will keep moving about Any idea what causes this? I'm taking it to the garage on Monday but thought if it was a simple electrical problem someone might know... _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acordova at texas.net Fri Jul 18 10:11:34 2008 From: acordova at texas.net (acordova at texas.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:11:34 -0500 Subject: [W124] Fluctuating tick-over In-Reply-To: <593668.50902.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <593668.50902.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1216390294.4880a49653dbc@webmail.texas.net> I had a 95 C280 that was affected, but I didn't think the engine wiring harness issue applied as far back as 93. I would suggest crossing your fingers and checking the over-voltage protection relay. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to replace than the engine wiring harness. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 5K dearly departed 89 300CE, 234K Quoting moose patton : > Engine wiring harness needs to be inspected. The insulation fails and they > do all kinds of weird things. I used to call mine Bi-polar before making > the $1200 repair. > > Jeff > 92 500E, 92 300CE > > Robin Farquhar-Thomson wrote: I have a much loved E320 > coupe 1993 118000 miles on the clock and just > recently > when at a standstill the revs climb to about 1200 then drop to around > 500 and it keeps > on going up and down until occasionally it stalls > > When driving along the car behaves normally but tick-over will keep > moving about > > Any idea what causes this? > > I'm taking it to the garage on Monday but thought if it was a simple > electrical problem > someone might know... > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > From Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com Tue Jul 22 16:40:54 2008 From: Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com (Frank Smyth) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:40:54 +0100 Subject: [W124] Boot solenoid probs Message-ID: Hey again folks Thanks for the, er, VD advice earlier (voltage drop) - will schedule a weekend with the wiring diagram to see what's up as all the connectors behind the lamps look fine. Anyway, my boot solenoid has suddenly stopped working - upon unlocking the car, all the doors, fuel flap etc are unlocked yet the boot solenoid just hums for about 20 seconds but the solenoid arm doesn't move. The lock is definitely in the mode that should allow the central locking to work (key in vertical position). When I manually move the solenoid lever back and forth, it does operate the central locking as normal, so all the internal switches must be okay. Guess it's just motor failure or some internal gears stripped. To get the solenoid out, it looks like I need to remove the boot lock itself - no problem, but how is the solenoid's rod supposed to be disconnected ? Thanks Frank ________________________________ About Microsoft Ireland: www.microsoft.com/ireland Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 256796. Microsoft Ireland Research. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 342235. Registered office 70 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2, Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Tue Jul 22 19:44:47 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:44:47 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson Message-ID: My tranny started "acting up" this morning In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in Neutral. Same in "3" position In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift into "D" and all is normal Reverse is no problem Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is the tranny starting to "go?" Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? keep cruisin Jay Hirsch NY From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:02:15 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:02:15 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48871DC7.3050909@gmail.com> Check the fluid level? Serviced last? Miles? Jonathan Jay Hirsch wrote: > My tranny started "acting up" this morning > > In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > Neutral. Same in "3" position > In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift > into "D" and all is normal > Reverse is no problem > > Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is > the tranny starting to "go?" > > Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > keep cruisin > Jay Hirsch > NY > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com *Updates weekly* 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec From J.Hirsch at mac.com Wed Jul 23 09:34:20 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:34:20 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <48871DC7.3050909@gmail.com> References: <48871DC7.3050909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 10:08:01 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:08:01 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: References: <48871DC7.3050909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48873B41.4080500@gmail.com> I'd start w/ a service.. That will be the cheapest and (hopefully) easiest fix... You are either losing pressure which is causing the clutches to slip or the clutches are slipping regardless of pressure.. How are shifts from gear to gear normally? Crisp/clean or does it flare/take a spot to fully change gears? You may try the filter change and give the modulator valve a turn..see if 3 lbs more pressure helps. Jonathan Jay Hirsch wrote: > Jonathan > Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since > Fluid level OK, > 140,000 miles > thank you > Jay > On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> Check the fluid level? >> >> Serviced last? >> >> Miles? >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> Jay Hirsch wrote: >>> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >>> >>> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >>> Neutral. Same in "3" position >>> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift >>> into "D" and all is normal >>> Reverse is no problem >>> >>> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is >>> the tranny starting to "go?" >>> >>> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >>> keep cruisin >>> Jay Hirsch >>> NY >>> _______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Ridge Mercedes >> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >> Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of >> the world. >> Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >> http://www.blueridgemb.com >> *Updates weekly* >> >> 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >> 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) >> 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) >> 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) >> 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) >> 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) >> 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE >> 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V >> 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro >> 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com *Updates weekly* 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 11:23:59 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <48873B41.4080500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <311150.15050.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Drop the valve body and clean it out install new filter refill the system and then have the system flushed not just a drain and fill I run AMSOIL synthetic in my 500E and never plan to service it until the fluid changes color (I send a sample to fluid lab ever 20 k) I have had the same problem you have on my 92 300CE, this fixed it for good. this is a do it yourself or a shop can drop the valve body, but you need a shop to flush the system as it requires special equipment. any shop can handle it. Jeff Jonathan wrote: I'd start w/ a service.. That will be the cheapest and (hopefully) easiest fix... You are either losing pressure which is causing the clutches to slip or the clutches are slipping regardless of pressure.. How are shifts from gear to gear normally? Crisp/clean or does it flare/take a spot to fully change gears? You may try the filter change and give the modulator valve a turn..see if 3 lbs more pressure helps. Jonathan Jay Hirsch wrote: > Jonathan > Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since > Fluid level OK, > 140,000 miles > thank you > Jay > On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > >> Check the fluid level? >> >> Serviced last? >> >> Miles? >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> Jay Hirsch wrote: >>> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >>> >>> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >>> Neutral. Same in "3" position >>> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift >>> into "D" and all is normal >>> Reverse is no problem >>> >>> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is >>> the tranny starting to "go?" >>> >>> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >>> keep cruisin >>> Jay Hirsch >>> NY >>> _______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Ridge Mercedes >> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >> Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of >> the world. >> Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >> http://www.blueridgemb.com >> *Updates weekly* >> >> 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >> 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) >> 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) >> 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) >> 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) >> 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) >> 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE >> 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V >> 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro >> 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com *Updates weekly* 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Wed Jul 23 11:55:15 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:55:15 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <311150.15050.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <311150.15050.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BAE6A32-7BA2-4B1E-8164-18D790E228BD@mac.com> Jeff Will do Thank you keep cruisin Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:23 AM, moose patton wrote: > Drop the valve body and clean it out install new filter refill the > system and then have the system flushed not just a drain and fill > I run AMSOIL synthetic in my 500E and never plan to service it > until the fluid changes color (I send a sample to fluid lab ever 20 > k) I have had the same problem you have on my 92 300CE, this fixed > it for good. this is a do it yourself or a shop can drop the valve > body, but you need a shop to flush the system as it requires > special equipment. any shop can handle it. > > Jeff > > Jonathan wrote: > I'd start w/ a service.. That will be the cheapest and (hopefully) > easiest fix... > > You are either losing pressure which is causing the clutches to > slip or > the clutches are slipping regardless of pressure.. > > How are shifts from gear to gear normally? Crisp/clean or does it > flare/take a spot to fully change gears? > > You may try the filter change and give the modulator valve a turn..see > if 3 lbs more pressure helps. > > Jonathan > > Jay Hirsch wrote: > > Jonathan > > Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since > > Fluid level OK, > > 140,000 miles > > thank you > > Jay > > On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > > > >> Check the fluid level? > >> > >> Serviced last? > >> > >> Miles? > >> > >> Jonathan > >> > >> > >> Jay Hirsch wrote: > >>> My tranny started "acting up" this morning > >>> > >>> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > >>> Neutral. Same in "3" position > >>> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift > >>> into "D" and all is normal > >>> Reverse is no problem > >>> > >>> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is > >>> the tranny starting to "go?" > >>> > >>> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > >>> keep cruisin > >>> Jay Hirsch > >>> NY > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> W124list mailing list > >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com > >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Blue Ridge Mercedes > >> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > >> Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > >> the world. > >> Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > >> http://www.blueridgemb.com > >> *Updates weekly* > >> > >> 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > >> 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > >> 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > >> 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > >> 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > >> 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > >> 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > >> 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > >> 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > >> 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> W124list mailing list > >> W124list at mbcoupes.com > >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > W124list mailing list > > W124list at mbcoupes.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. 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URL: From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 12:22:43 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <511608.84185.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 12:54:03 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:54:03 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <511608.84185.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <511608.84185.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807230954l53d7abbfx86851ce6c25e4448@mail.gmail.com> I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: > ay, > > I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the > filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. > > PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am > looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories > for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me > > > *Jay Hirsch * wrote: > > Jonathan > Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since > Fluid level OK, > 140,000 miles > thank you > Jay > On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > > > Check the fluid level? > > > > Serviced last? > > > > Miles? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: > >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning > >> > >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > >> Neutral. Same in "3" position > >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I > >> shift into "D" and all is normal > >> Reverse is no problem > >> > >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or > >> is the tranny starting to "go?" > >> > >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > >> keep cruisin > >> Jay Hirsch > >> NY > >> _______________________________________________ > >> W124list mailing list > >> W124list at mbcoupes.com > >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > >> > > > > > > -- > > Blue Ridge Mercedes > > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > > the world. > > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > > http://www.blueridgemb.com > > *Updates weekly* > > > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > W124list mailing list > > W124list at mbcoupes.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Wed Jul 23 13:30:05 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:30:05 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807230954l53d7abbfx86851ce6c25e4448@mail.gmail.com> References: <511608.84185.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170807230954l53d7abbfx86851ce6c25e4448@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <600CCD01-D2FF-41C4-B5F4-D767894F13B3@mac.com> Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: > I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but > 1/2 quart from these transmissions. > > Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you > have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons > etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to > mistakes for the newbie! > > You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the > look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. > > Jonathan > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton > wrote: > ay, > > I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear > the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch > materials. > > PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I > am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any > accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: > Jonathan > Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since > Fluid level OK, > 140,000 miles > thank you > Jay > On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > > > Check the fluid level? > > > > Serviced last? > > > > Miles? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: > >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning > >> > >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > >> Neutral. Same in "3" position > >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I > >> shift into "D" and all is normal > >> Reverse is no problem > >> > >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or > >> is the tranny starting to "go?" > >> > >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > >> keep cruisin > >> Jay Hirsch > >> NY > >> _______________________________________________ > >> W124list mailing list > >> W124list at mbcoupes.com > >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > >> > > > > > > -- > > Blue Ridge Mercedes > > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > > the world. > > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > > http://www.blueridgemb.com > > *Updates weekly* > > > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > W124list mailing list > > W124list at mbcoupes.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 14:04:19 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:04:19 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <600CCD01-D2FF-41C4-B5F4-D767894F13B3@mac.com> References: <511608.84185.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170807230954l53d7abbfx86851ce6c25e4448@mail.gmail.com> <600CCD01-D2FF-41C4-B5F4-D767894F13B3@mac.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807231104p672dd3d0w151dda0abf6efbd5@mail.gmail.com> Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > JonathanSo forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? > Is Dextron III sufficient? > > Would get a new modulator valve > > Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good > drmacny at mac.com > > On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: > > I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 > quart from these transmissions. > > Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior > experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite > daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! > > You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out > for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. > > Jonathan > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton > wrote: > >> ay, >> >> I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the >> filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. >> >> PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am >> looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories >> for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me >> >> >> *Jay Hirsch * wrote: >> >> Jonathan >> Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since >> Fluid level OK, >> 140,000 miles >> thank you >> Jay >> On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: >> >> > Check the fluid level? >> > >> > Serviced last? >> > >> > Miles? >> > >> > Jonathan >> > >> > >> > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> >> Reverse is no problem >> >> >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> >> keep cruisin >> >> Jay Hirsch >> >> NY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> W124list mailing list >> >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Blue Ridge Mercedes >> > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >> > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of >> > the world. >> > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >> > http://www.blueridgemb.com >> > *Updates weekly* >> > >> > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >> > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) >> > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) >> > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) >> > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) >> > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) >> > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE >> > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V >> > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro >> > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > W124list mailing list >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the > world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 14:30:35 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807231104p672dd3d0w151dda0abf6efbd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <891731.68093.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: JonathanSo forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 14:42:55 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:42:55 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <891731.68093.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1d2f90170807231104p672dd3d0w151dda0abf6efbd5@mail.gmail.com> <891731.68093.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807231142q40f97a64saa0dde7111c1fa7f@mail.gmail.com> No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun ( www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: > ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: > Do you work in the automotive business? > > Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? > > The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt > stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? > > Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing > going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. > > IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the > first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all > things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt > make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental > for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of > thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with > a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. > > Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the > converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming > from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If > it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists > flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so > but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in > my Benz but what do I know? > > If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan > and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you > will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my > point. > > "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > *Jonathan Hodgman * wrote: > > Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so > paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. > > DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. > > If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF > works wonders! > > Jonathan > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > >> JonathanSo forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? >> Is Dextron III sufficient? >> >> Would get a new modulator valve >> >> Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good >> drmacny at mac.com >> >> On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: >> >> I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 >> quart from these transmissions. >> >> Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior >> experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite >> daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! >> >> You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out >> for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton >> wrote: >> >>> ay, >>> >>> I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the >>> filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. >>> >>> PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am >>> looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories >>> for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me >>> >>> >>> *Jay Hirsch * wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan >>> Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since >>> Fluid level OK, >>> 140,000 miles >>> thank you >>> Jay >>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: >>> >>> > Check the fluid level? >>> > >>> > Serviced last? >>> > >>> > Miles? >>> > >>> > Jonathan >>> > >>> > >>> > Jay Hirsch wrote: >>> >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >>> >> >>> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >>> >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >>> >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >>> >> shift into "D" and all is normal >>> >> Reverse is no problem >>> >> >>> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >>> >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >>> >> >>> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >>> >> keep cruisin >>> >> Jay Hirsch >>> >> NY >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> W124list mailing list >>> >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Blue Ridge Mercedes >>> > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >>> > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of >>> > the world. >>> > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >>> > http://www.blueridgemb.com >>> > *Updates weekly* >>> > >>> > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >>> > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) >>> > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) >>> > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) >>> > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) >>> > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) >>> > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE >>> > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V >>> > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro >>> > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > W124list mailing list >>> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East >> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >> Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the >> world. >> Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >> http://www.blueridgemb.com >> 404 805 1357 >> >> 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >> 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE >> 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) >> 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) >> 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V >> 1980 280 SE Euro >> 1978 300D TMU >> 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( >> 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the > world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pifcat2 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 16:17:21 2008 From: pifcat2 at yahoo.com (Felix) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson Message-ID: <852927.30895.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> wow, good advise. Is it relatively a DIY job to replace the gasket to eliminate leaking? On another note, my trans failed a year ago due to squealing that sounded like a turbo whine when I rev'd the engine. My mechanic said it needed replacement and recommended used unless I wanted to pay many thousands. I ended paying him $1600 for the used trans. He said rebuilt trans don't last long. Mine had a factory rebuilt the previous owner had installed so I thought it would last the life of the car. I also had not replaced the oil in the 3 years so I felt neglect had done it in. It was also a 3.6L RENNTech engine that may have stressed the trans. My question in retrospect is was this symptom possibly repairable? How do you know when the valve body needs repair? My mechanic is honest and skillful but by no means a Mercedes expert. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Hodgman To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:42:55 AM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.gomez at gs.com Wed Jul 23 16:53:05 2008 From: tony.gomez at gs.com (Gomez, Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:53:05 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807231142q40f97a64saa0dde7111c1fa7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d2f90170807231104p672dd3d0w151dda0abf6efbd5@mail.gmail.com><891731.68093.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170807231142q40f97a64saa0dde7111c1fa7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96007D9076432E42BAE896C8BF6377FA125429D1@gsmbnop09es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> Hi My check engine light just came on yesterday. The car is running fine, but I did put gas in it while the tanker was there filling the station. How hard is it to a) find out what the code is b) reset the light to see it the problem returns Am I better off just taking it to my Local MB guy. Thanks 94E320 97k Regards, Tony Gomez ________________________________ From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. 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Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Gomez, Tony" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:53:05 To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From pifcat2 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 17:28:37 2008 From: pifcat2 at yahoo.com (Felix) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson Message-ID: <262104.81091.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Key ON press 3-4 seconds wait 2 seconds Count flashes, refer to code Key OFF for 50 seconds Key ON for 10 seconds Start car ----- Original Message ---- From: "Gomez, Tony" To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:53:05 PM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson Hi My check engine light just came on yesterday. The car is running fine, but I did put gas in it while the tanker was there filling the station. How hard is it to a) find out what the code is b) reset the light to see it the problem returns Am I better off just taking it to my Local MB guy. Thanks 94E320 97k Regards, Tony Gomez ________________________________ From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com Wed Jul 23 17:28:53 2008 From: Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com (Frank Smyth) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:28:53 +0100 Subject: [W124] Boot solenoid probs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Classic ! Thanks for that. I got the lock and solenoid out to find that the whirring noise wasn't actually a mechanical noise, but the hiss of vacuum. The solenoid has a diaphragm at the back, and the casing of this was coming away. The vacuum motor must have a sensor that keeps the motor running for a while if there's a lack of vacuum. With the solenoid fixed, it should only run for one or two seconds. A few dabs of superglue and the diaphragm housing was back in place - popped everything back in place and I have my central locking working again :) Thanks again Frank From: dakota at mac.com [mailto:dakota at mac.com] Sent: 23 July 2008 04:50 To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Cc: Frank Smyth Subject: Re: [W124] Boot solenoid probs On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Frank Smyth wrote: Hey again folks Thanks for the, er, VD advice earlier (voltage drop) - will schedule a weekend with the wiring diagram to see what's up as all the connectors behind the lamps look fine. Anyway, my boot solenoid has suddenly stopped working - upon unlocking the car, all the doors, fuel flap etc are unlocked yet the boot solenoid just hums for about 20 seconds but the solenoid arm doesn't move. The lock is definitely in the mode that should allow the central locking to work (key in vertical position). When I manually move the solenoid lever back and forth, it does operate the central locking as normal, so all the internal switches must be okay. Guess it's just motor failure or some internal gears stripped. To get the solenoid out, it looks like I need to remove the boot lock itself - no problem, but how is the solenoid's rod supposed to be disconnected ? Thanks Frank Frank, here is the job that I think describes how to replace it. 82-215 ________________________________ About Microsoft Ireland: www.microsoft.com/ireland Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 256796. Microsoft Ireland Research. A company incorporated and registered in Ireland number 342235. Registered office 70 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2, Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pifcat2 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 17:37:48 2008 From: pifcat2 at yahoo.com (Felix) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmisson Message-ID: <811353.25921.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> here's more details: During the process of obtaining the codes, the engine needs to be off, but the key must be in the "on" position. Hold down the button for 3 - 4 seconds and count the blinks. The number of blinks is the code. Repeat the process again. If you get the same number of blinks, you have just one code. If you get a different number of blinks, then you have more than one code. When finished, turn the key off, then back on, and hold down the button for 6-8 seconds. When you start the car back up, the CE light will be off. The only codes that will cause a check engine light to illuminate are codes relating to smog equipment. Your ECU will hold a lot of codes that will not cause that light to come on. Here are the codes: 1 No faults. 2 Oxygen sensor inoperative. 3 Lambda control inoperative. 4 Air injection inoperative. 5 EGR inoperative. 6 Idle speed control inoperative. 7 Ignition system failure. 8 Coolant temp sensor-open or short circuit. 9 Intake air temp sensor-open or short circuit. 10 Voltage at Air Mass sensor too high or low. 11 TN (RPM) signal defective. 12 Oxygen sensor heater open or short circuit. 13 Cam position sensor signal from-EZL/AKR ign. control unit defective. 14 Intake manifold pressure at start too low. 15 Full throttle Info defective. 16 Idle speed info defective. 17 CAN Data exchange-Malfunction between control units. 18 Adjustable camshaft timing solenoid-open or short circuit. 19 Fuel injectors-open or short circuit or Emission control system adaptation at limit. 20 Speed signal missing. 21 Purge switchover valve-open or shorted. 22 cam position sensor signal defective. 23 Intake manifold pressure w/ engine running too low. 24 Starter ring gear segments defective. 25 Knock sensors. 26 Upshift delay switch over valve-open or shorted. 27 Coolant temp sensor deviation between sensor ciruits 1 & 2. 28 Coolant temp Sensor. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Gomez, Tony" To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:53:05 PM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson Hi My check engine light just came on yesterday. The car is running fine, but I did put gas in it while the tanker was there filling the station. How hard is it to a) find out what the code is b) reset the light to see it the problem returns Am I better off just taking it to my Local MB guy. Thanks 94E320 97k Regards, Tony Gomez ________________________________ From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.gomez at gs.com Wed Jul 23 18:24:24 2008 From: tony.gomez at gs.com (Gomez, Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:24:24 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <811353.25921.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <811353.25921.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96007D9076432E42BAE896C8BF6377FA125429D5@gsmbnop09es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> Thanks for the info. I have one question, what button should I be holding down? Regards, Tony Gomez Goldman Sachs & Co. Tel #212-357-7989 Fax # 917-343-0701 e-mail - Tony.Gomez at gs.com ________________________________ From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Felix Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:38 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson here's more details: During the process of obtaining the codes, the engine needs to be off, but the key must be in the "on" position. Hold down the button for 3 - 4 seconds and count the blinks. The number of blinks is the code. Repeat the process again. If you get the same number of blinks, you have just one code. If you get a different number of blinks, then you have more than one code. When finished, turn the key off, then back on, and hold down the button for 6-8 seconds. When you start the car back up, the CE light will be off. The only codes that will cause a check engine light to illuminate are codes relating to smog equipment. Your ECU will hold a lot of codes that will not cause that light to come on. Here are the codes: 1 No faults. 2 Oxygen sensor inoperative. 3 Lambda control inoperative. 4 Air injection inoperative. 5 EGR inoperative. 6 Idle speed control inoperative. 7 Ignition system failure. 8 Coolant temp sensor-open or short circuit. 9 Intake air temp sensor-open or short circuit. 10 Voltage at Air Mass sensor too high or low. 11 TN (RPM) signal defective. 12 Oxygen sensor heater open or short circuit. 13 Cam position sensor signal from-EZL/AKR ign. control unit defective. 14 Intake manifold pressure at start too low. 15 Full throttle Info defective. 16 Idle speed info defective. 17 CAN Data exchange-Malfunction between control units. 18 Adjustable camshaft timing solenoid-open or short circuit. 19 Fuel injectors-open or short circuit or Emission control system adaptation at limit. 20 Speed signal missing. 21 Purge switchover valve-open or shorted. 22 cam position sensor signal defective. 23 Intake manifold pressure w/ engine running too low. 24 Starter ring gear segments defective. 25 Knock sensors. 26 Upshift delay switch over valve-open or shorted. 27 Coolant temp sensor deviation between sensor ciruits 1 & 2. 28 Coolant temp Sensor. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Gomez, Tony" To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:53:05 PM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson Hi My check engine light just came on yesterday. The car is running fine, but I did put gas in it while the tanker was there filling the station. How hard is it to a) find out what the code is b) reset the light to see it the problem returns Am I better off just taking it to my Local MB guy. Thanks 94E320 97k Regards, Tony Gomez ________________________________ From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:43 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. 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Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 19:03:29 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:03:29 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: <96007D9076432E42BAE896C8BF6377FA125429D5@gsmbnop09es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> References: <811353.25921.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96007D9076432E42BAE896C8BF6377FA125429D5@gsmbnop09es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807231603l9e0329emd440e2a43cb41210@mail.gmail.com> Check out Jim's site... VERY handy when it comes to codes on these pre OBD II cars! http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_S500.html Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Gomez, Tony wrote: > Thanks for the info. > I have one question, what button should I be holding down? > > > *Regards,* > *Tony Gomez* > *Goldman Sachs & Co.* > *Tel #212-357-7989* > *Fax # 917-343-0701* > *e-mail - Tony.Gomez at gs.com* > > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ja.law at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 23 19:29:36 2008 From: ja.law at bigpond.net.au (James Antonenas) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:29:36 +1000 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can I please be taken off the mailing list - I got risd of my 300 CE - 24 shit box ages ago. -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:02 PM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson Check the fluid level? Serviced last? Miles? Jonathan Jay Hirsch wrote: > My tranny started "acting up" this morning > > In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > Neutral. Same in "3" position > In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift > into "D" and all is normal > Reverse is no problem > > Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is > the tranny starting to "go?" > > Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > keep cruisin > Jay Hirsch > NY > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com *Updates weekly* 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 19:34:20 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:34:20 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d2f90170807231634n58348319gc54781261dfb9398@mail.gmail.com> Every email tells one how to remove themselves................ On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM, James Antonenas wrote: > Can I please be taken off the mailing list - I got risd of my 300 CE - > 24 shit box ages ago. > > -----Original Message----- > From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com > [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan > Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:02 PM > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles > Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson > > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: > > My tranny started "acting up" this morning > > > > In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in > > Neutral. Same in "3" position > > In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I shift > > into "D" and all is normal > > Reverse is no problem > > > > Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or is > > the tranny starting to "go?" > > > > Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? > > keep cruisin > > Jay Hirsch > > NY > > _______________________________________________ > > W124list mailing list > > W124list at mbcoupes.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the > world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ja.law at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 24 01:54:51 2008 From: ja.law at bigpond.net.au (James Antonenas) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:54:51 +1000 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please take me off your e-mailing list - I got rid of my 300CE - 24 ages ago -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Felix Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 6:17 AM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson wow, good advise. Is it relatively a DIY job to replace the gasket to eliminate leaking? On another note, my trans failed a year ago due to squealing that sounded like a turbo whine when I rev'd the engine. My mechanic said it needed replacement and recommended used unless I wanted to pay many thousands. I ended paying him $1600 for the used trans. He said rebuilt trans don't last long. Mine had a factory rebuilt the previous owner had installed so I thought it would last the life of the car. I also had not replaced the oil in the 3 years so I felt neglect had done it in. It was also a 3.6L RENNTech engine that may have stressed the trans. My question in retrospect is was this symptom possibly repairable? How do you know when the valve body needs repair? My mechanic is honest and skillful but by no means a Mercedes expert. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Hodgman To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:42:55 AM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. (for sale) > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs (TT conversion IP) > 1989 560 SEC Euro ECE (*parts*) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (6800RPM Mech.lifter/radical cam conv.) > 1988 300 TE (Mosselman TT awaiting install) > 1988 560 SEC AMG Euro ECE > 1987 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M-Spec > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com Thu Jul 24 06:27:39 2008 From: Frank.Smyth at microsoft.com (Frank Smyth) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:27:39 +0100 Subject: [W124] transmisson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was it a sh!tbox ? BTW your subscription to this list can be undone here: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of James Antonenas Sent: 24 July 2008 06:55 To: 'W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles' Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson Please take me off your e-mailing list - I got rid of my 300CE - 24 ages ago -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Felix Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 6:17 AM To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson wow, good advise. Is it relatively a DIY job to replace the gasket to eliminate leaking? On another note, my trans failed a year ago due to squealing that sounded like a turbo whine when I rev'd the engine. My mechanic said it needed replacement and recommended used unless I wanted to pay many thousands. I ended paying him $1600 for the used trans. He said rebuilt trans don't last long. Mine had a factory rebuilt the previous owner had installed so I thought it would last the life of the car. I also had not replaced the oil in the 3 years so I felt neglect had done it in. It was also a 3.6L RENNTech engine that may have stressed the trans. My question in retrospect is was this symptom possibly repairable? How do you know when the valve body needs repair? My mechanic is honest and skillful but by no means a Mercedes expert. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Hodgman To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:42:55 AM Subject: Re: [W124] transmisson No, I don't work on it I just run this shop and site for fun (www.blueridgemb.com. I have a Good working knowledge of how these transmissions work and the internals that do said work. If you are going to clean a valve body, do it right. Bring or ship the valve body to someone who is qualified to take it apart...doing so (as mentioned once already) w/o prior knowledge is a Dangerous game. I'm looking at this as what can he do to try and remedy/see what the problem is. Servicing the transmissions is the only place to start. I also mentioned check for excess silt in the pan as in indicator that things are failing. I first ran trick shift in my track AMG SEC w/ excellent results...now I run it in my Wagon, my white 91 SEC, the 91 ECE and my AMG SEL. Correct line pressure and No Slip even after 45 minutes of running on the track in 95+ degree heat. Jonathan Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning. Providing quality parts to all parts of the world. Located in the Atlanta area 96 S600 Euro 91 560SEC ECE (for sale) 91 560 SEC 226/271 Undergoing TT conversion 86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 89 300TE (Mosselman TT waiting..) 88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE 89 560SEC AMG mech. lifter/68K rpm conv. 87 Hammer 6.0L 32V 06 Z4 M Spec 6sp On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM, moose patton > wrote: ok guys, Let's make a couple of points here: Do you work in the automotive business? Any of you have knowledge of automatic trannys? The point is that this tranny is either coming apart or has a piece of dirt stick in the valve body. Want to discuss this? Do you think that draining it is going to remove it? NO!!!!! is flushing going to free a stuck valve in the body? doubtful. IMHO pulling the pan, inspecting the pan and the filter for crap is the first step. If no major problems, remove valve body, making sure all things return to where they were and clean and lube everything. Transdapt make a great product line to make things stay slippery. Kinda like Trental for your blood. Keeps the platelets from sticking together instead of thinning the blood. Does the same for trans fluid. reinstall valve body with a new gasket and tighten everything in recommended order and tightness. Fill it back up with fluid and give it a ride. If you want to drain the converter go ahead but if you have a stuck valve the problem is maybe coming from the converter but the cause is going to be found in the valve body. If it is broken drive it to repair shop and hold on. If no problem exists flush the system and if you want to invest $100 in synthetic fluid, do so but do it next service. And B+M Trickshift is not something I would put in my Benz but what do I know? If you decide to follow my advice, let me know what yoou find in the pan and filter size color etc. P.s if you have been draining and refilling you will have lots of dk gray silt in the bottom don't worry just proves my point. "Better to have the antlers than to be a squirrel" Jeff Jonathan Hodgman > wrote: Well, when you drain the TC and trans you get almost ALL the fluid out, so paying someone to flush is IMHO a waste of $$. DM III...or what ever they call it these days..just get a name brand fluid. If you want to Really make these boxes shift crisply B&M Trick Shift ATF works wonders! Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jay Hirsch > wrote: Jonathan So forget the flush and just change the oil and filter? Is Dextron III sufficient? Would get a new modulator valve Try Bill Belchou for some MAC stuff he is good drmacny at mac.com On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: I've never been a fan of the flush machines...You can drain all but 1/2 quart from these transmissions. Also, to clean a valve body is VERY complicated!!!! Unless you have prior experience dealing w/ all the valves, springs, pistons etc, etc is quite daunting! Even w/ a diagram it's prone to mistakes for the newbie! You'll likely find any BIG chunks in the pan... Also be on the look out for gray silt (clutch) collecting on the bottom of the pan. Jonathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, moose patton > wrote: ay, I forgot to mention that when the filter is dropped you must tear the filter apart to look for metal shavings chunks and clutch materials. PS I just noticed the mac.com and i am a mac used(abuser) also. I am looking for a old Pismo (I have a 400mhz parts unit now) and any accessories for it I can find. Hear of anything please email me Jay Hirsch > wrote: Jonathan Filter and oil changed two years ago, 20,000 miles since Fluid level OK, 140,000 miles thank you Jay On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Check the fluid level? > > Serviced last? > > Miles? > > Jonathan > > > Jay Hirsch wrote: >> My tranny started "acting up" this morning >> >> In "D" it starts to move out, then seems to go nowhere as if in >> Neutral. Same in "3" position >> In the "2" mode pulls right out, when car is doing 10 mph I >> shift into "D" and all is normal >> Reverse is no problem >> >> Is there a modulator or vacuum valve that could be at fault or >> is the tranny starting to "go?" >> >> Any suggestions before I bring to a tranny shop? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> NY >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > *Updates weekly* > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Euro ECE Conv. 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URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Tue Jul 29 11:15:51 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:15:51 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update Message-ID: Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, original but it fits and works. So do not be deceived by outward appearance. Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT Filter had a "exessive dirt." Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve or dirty filter. My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than the the modulator valve. Bottom line tranny problem solved Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at Mercedes Filter $13.50 Pan gasket $ 8.50 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 time one hour may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people and service people The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many other sources. keep cruisin Jay Hirsch From jhodgman at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 11:36:11 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:36:11 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> Glad to hear it Jay! My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help keep that box doing what it should:) Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on that list. Happy motoring/shifting! Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips > > Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve > > The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, > original but it fits and works. > So do not be deceived by outward appearance. > > Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and > money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. > Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they > all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may > be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT > > Filter had a "exessive dirt." > Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve or > dirty filter. > My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than > the the modulator valve. > Bottom line tranny problem solved > Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at > Mercedes > Filter $13.50 > Pan gasket $ 8.50 > 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 > time one hour > may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just > packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people > and service people > The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the > cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators > of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period > > Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many > other sources. > keep cruisin > Jay Hirsch > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rklein at hgg.com Tue Jul 29 11:46:55 2008 From: rklein at hgg.com (Richard G. Klein) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:46:55 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488F0397.5871.00F3.0@hgg.com> Jonathan, Is the B&M tranny fluid you recommend called "Trick Shift Fluid"? I want to do a fluid change on my 1987 300e, so I'm very interested in this timely thread. Do you recommend anything other than the standard tranny filter? Thanks. Richard >>> "Jonathan Hodgman" 7/29/2008 11:36 AM >>> Glad to hear it Jay! My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help keep that box doing what it should:) Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on that list. Happy motoring/shifting! Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips > > Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve > > The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, > original but it fits and works. > So do not be deceived by outward appearance. > > Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and > money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. > Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they > all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may > be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT > > Filter had a "exessive dirt." > Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve or > dirty filter. > My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than > the the modulator valve. > Bottom line tranny problem solved > Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at > Mercedes > Filter $13.50 > Pan gasket $ 8.50 > 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 > time one hour > may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just > packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people > and service people > The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the > cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators > of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period > > Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many > other sources. > keep cruisin > Jay Hirsch > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records, and then delete the original e- mail. All e-mail sent to or from Hofheimer Gartlir & Gross LLP is subject to monitoring by its members. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of Federal and New York State Laws. From J.Hirsch at mac.com Tue Jul 29 11:58:54 2008 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:58:54 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F76760B-3A0D-4556-BA11-09AC41BEA0CF@mac.com> Jonathan "excessive dirt," may have been a little harsh, just a little above what ever "normal look" would be Also this is a NYC/NJ area used car. Leave a car parked in NYC for eight hours and there looks like it was parked for a week in Terre Haute, and that is on a nice day The engine pad was loose which I did not notice till it was obviously loose and pad dust may have trickled down to places where it is not supposed to be Will monitor tranny closely now and will change tranny oil and filter in 2000 miles. The oil pan was clean, no debris and oil was not overly dirty Will keep you informed as to progress over the next few months thank you very much keep cruisin Jay On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: > Glad to hear it Jay! > > My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if > my memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/ > clutch plate material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. > > @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the > modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts > and help keep that box doing what it should:) > > Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying > lots of extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to > keep in mind. > > Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners > manual will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand > DM III's are on that list. > > > Happy motoring/shifting! > > Jonathan > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips > > Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve > > The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the > older, original but it fits and works. > So do not be deceived by outward appearance. > > Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time > and money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. > Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and > they all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough > check out, may be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT > > Filter had a "exessive dirt." > Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator > valve or dirty filter. > My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting > pressure than the the modulator valve. > Bottom line tranny problem solved > Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same > at Mercedes > Filter $13.50 > Pan gasket $ 8.50 > 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 > time one hour > may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is > just packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, > marketing people and service people > The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes > to the cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially > the alternators of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same > time period > > Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their > are many other sources. > keep cruisin > Jay Hirsch > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of > the world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:43:24 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <7F76760B-3A0D-4556-BA11-09AC41BEA0CF@mac.com> References: <1d2f90170807290836i11e2168aq5a787d923b60393e@mail.gmail.com> <7F76760B-3A0D-4556-BA11-09AC41BEA0CF@mac.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807291143l2d230ca0w7b6add41fb78b65e@mail.gmail.com> Yes, B&M Trick Shift... How hard do you drive the car? If you like to use the gas/brake pedal then I'd get the later 500E/500SL filter w/ the the sliding 'valve'. Jay, sounds good! Look forward to hearing more as things progress:) Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > Jonathan"excessive dirt," may have been a little harsh, just a little > above what ever "normal look" would be > Also this is a NYC/NJ area used car. > Leave a car parked in NYC for eight hours and there looks like it was > parked for a week in Terre Haute, and that is on a nice day > The engine pad was loose which I did not notice till it was obviously > loose and pad dust may have trickled down to places where it is not > supposed to be > Will monitor tranny closely now and will change tranny oil and filter in > 2000 miles. > The oil pan was clean, no debris and oil was not overly dirty > Will keep you informed as to progress over the next few months > thank you very much > keep cruisin > Jay > On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: > > Glad to hear it Jay! > > My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my memory > is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate material is > indicative of a transmission on it's way out. > > @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the modulator > up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help keep that > box doing what it should:) > > Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of > extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. > > Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual > will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on > that list. > > > Happy motoring/shifting! > > Jonathan > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > >> Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips >> >> Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve >> >> The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, >> original but it fits and works. >> So do not be deceived by outward appearance. >> >> Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and >> money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. >> Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they >> all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may >> be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT >> >> Filter had a "exessive dirt." >> Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve >> or dirty filter. >> My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than >> the the modulator valve. >> Bottom line tranny problem solved >> Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at >> Mercedes >> Filter $13.50 >> Pan gasket $ 8.50 >> 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 >> time one hour >> may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just >> packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people >> and service people >> The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the >> cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators >> of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period >> >> Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many >> other sources. >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the > world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bullwinklefan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:54:50 2008 From: bullwinklefan at yahoo.com (moose patton) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807291143l2d230ca0w7b6add41fb78b65e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <242006.64513.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> sliding valve on the filter? J eff 1992 500E Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Yes, B&M Trick Shift... How hard do you drive the car? If you like to use the gas/brake pedal then I'd get the later 500E/500SL filter w/ the the sliding 'valve'. Jay, sounds good! Look forward to hearing more as things progress:) Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan"excessive dirt," may have been a little harsh, just a little above what ever "normal look" would be Also this is a NYC/NJ area used car. Leave a car parked in NYC for eight hours and there looks like it was parked for a week in Terre Haute, and that is on a nice day The engine pad was loose which I did not notice till it was obviously loose and pad dust may have trickled down to places where it is not supposed to be Will monitor tranny closely now and will change tranny oil and filter in 2000 miles. The oil pan was clean, no debris and oil was not overly dirty Will keep you informed as to progress over the next few months thank you very much keep cruisin Jay On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Glad to hear it Jay! My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help keep that box doing what it should:) Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on that list. Happy motoring/shifting! Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, original but it fits and works. So do not be deceived by outward appearance. Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT Filter had a "exessive dirt." Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve or dirty filter. My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than the the modulator valve. Bottom line tranny problem solved Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at Mercedes Filter $13.50 Pan gasket $ 8.50 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 time one hour may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people and service people The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many other sources. keep cruisin Jay Hirsch _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. 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URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 20:00:05 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:00:05 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <242006.64513.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1d2f90170807291143l2d230ca0w7b6add41fb78b65e@mail.gmail.com> <242006.64513.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d2f90170807291700x1eadb3b8gcb7fedd4e7e954b5@mail.gmail.com> Yes, as in the intake port that can switch from front to back via the sliding shaft, akin to " I--------I. Any of the 500E's, 500SL (R129), S500's (140's)..essentially all the late 733.3's w/ V8's strapped to the front. Makes it so you are less likely to suck up air/cavitate the pump under hard acceleration/deceleration. Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:54 PM, moose patton wrote: > sliding valve on the filter? > > J > eff 1992 500E > > > *Jonathan Hodgman * wrote: > > Yes, B&M Trick Shift... How hard do you drive the car? If you like to use > the gas/brake pedal then I'd get the later 500E/500SL filter w/ the the > sliding 'valve'. > > Jay, sounds good! Look forward to hearing more as things progress:) > > Jonathan > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: > >> Jonathan"excessive dirt," may have been a little harsh, just a little >> above what ever "normal look" would be >> Also this is a NYC/NJ area used car. >> Leave a car parked in NYC for eight hours and there looks like it was >> parked for a week in Terre Haute, and that is on a nice day >> The engine pad was loose which I did not notice till it was obviously >> loose and pad dust may have trickled down to places where it is not >> supposed to be >> Will monitor tranny closely now and will change tranny oil and filter in >> 2000 miles. >> The oil pan was clean, no debris and oil was not overly dirty >> Will keep you informed as to progress over the next few months >> thank you very much >> keep cruisin >> Jay >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: >> >> Glad to hear it Jay! >> >> My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my >> memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate >> material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. >> >> @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the >> modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help >> keep that box doing what it should:) >> >> Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of >> extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. >> >> Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual >> will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on >> that list. >> >> >> Happy motoring/shifting! >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: >> >>> Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips >>> >>> Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve >>> >>> The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, >>> original but it fits and works. >>> So do not be deceived by outward appearance. >>> >>> Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and >>> money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. >>> Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they >>> all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may >>> be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT >>> >>> Filter had a "exessive dirt." >>> Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve >>> or dirty filter. >>> My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than >>> the the modulator valve. >>> Bottom line tranny problem solved >>> Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at >>> Mercedes >>> Filter $13.50 >>> Pan gasket $ 8.50 >>> 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 >>> time one hour >>> may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just >>> packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people >>> and service people >>> The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the >>> cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators >>> of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period >>> >>> Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many >>> other sources. >>> keep cruisin >>> Jay Hirsch >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East >> Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. >> Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the >> world. >> Located in the Greater Atlanta area. >> http://www.blueridgemb.com >> 404 805 1357 >> >> 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" >> 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE >> 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) >> 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) >> 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V >> 1980 280 SE Euro >> 1978 300D TMU >> 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( >> 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> > > > -- > Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East > Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. > Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the > world. > Located in the Greater Atlanta area. > http://www.blueridgemb.com > 404 805 1357 > > 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" > 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE > 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) > 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) > 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V > 1980 280 SE Euro > 1978 300D TMU > 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( > 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > > > My regular email address is now jeff.randbfan at gmail.com but this will stay > active for several months > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. 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URL: From wscudder at ieee.org Wed Jul 30 22:25:48 2008 From: wscudder at ieee.org (Walt Scudder) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:25:48 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170807291700x1eadb3b8gcb7fedd4e7e954b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d2f90170807291143l2d230ca0w7b6add41fb78b65e@mail.gmail.com> <242006.64513.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170807291700x1eadb3b8gcb7fedd4e7e954b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jona than: I've been following these transmission posts with some interest. I have a 1995 E320 coupe that is flairing on the 3 to 4 upshift. If I keep a steady throttle - it will flair at beginning of upshift - then once clutches engage there is no more slippage. If I ease off throttle as the 3-4 upshift starts - it will shift into 4th w/o flairing and once it's engaged does not slip any more. Any guesses what may be going on? All other shifts are ok - it's just the 3-4 flair that's the problem. Thanks for info on B&M fluid - I may give that a try to see if it might help. Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Hodgman To: jeff.randbfan at gmail.com ; W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [W124] transmission update Yes, as in the intake port that can switch from front to back via the sliding shaft, akin to " I--------I. Any of the 500E's, 500SL (R129), S500's (140's)..essentially all the late 733.3's w/ V8's strapped to the front. Makes it so you are less likely to suck up air/cavitate the pump under hard acceleration/deceleration. Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:54 PM, moose patton wrote: sliding valve on the filter? J eff 1992 500E Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Yes, B&M Trick Shift... How hard do you drive the car? If you like to use the gas/brake pedal then I'd get the later 500E/500SL filter w/ the the sliding 'valve'. Jay, sounds good! Look forward to hearing more as things progress:) Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Jonathan "excessive dirt," may have been a little harsh, just a little above what ever "normal look" would be Also this is a NYC/NJ area used car. Leave a car parked in NYC for eight hours and there looks like it was parked for a week in Terre Haute, and that is on a nice day The engine pad was loose which I did not notice till it was obviously loose and pad dust may have trickled down to places where it is not supposed to be Will monitor tranny closely now and will change tranny oil and filter in 2000 miles. The oil pan was clean, no debris and oil was not overly dirty Will keep you informed as to progress over the next few months thank you very much keep cruisin Jay On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Hodgman wrote: Glad to hear it Jay! My only worry though is if you had the trans serviced 20K ago (if my memory is right) then generating that much 'dirt' ie, silt/clutch plate material is indicative of a transmission on it's way out. @ the first signs of any slipping you should Immediately turn the modulator up..that increased line pressure will firm up the shifts and help keep that box doing what it should:) Also, the B&M fluid I mentioned does an Excellent job of buying lots of extra miles from heavily worn clutches, so something to keep in mind. Running MB DM III is a bit of a waste of $$ IMHO, even the owners manual will give you a list of approved fluids..and most name brand DM III's are on that list. Happy motoring/shifting! Jonathan On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jay Hirsch wrote: Good news, thanks to all who gave helpful tips Changed tranny oil, tranny filter and modulator valve The new Mercedes replacement valve looks different from the older, original but it fits and works. So do not be deceived by outward appearance. Did not go to a tranny shop for "flush." This is a waste of time and money. Simple draining of fluid is all that is needed. Called three "tranny shops," and explained what I wanted done and they all said, "well leave the car and we will give it thorough check out, may be more than just a fluid change and valve." RIGHT Filter had a "exessive dirt." Bottom line tranny is shifting normally. May have been modulator valve or dirty filter. My mechanic thinks it was more of the filter restricting pressure than the the modulator valve. Bottom line tranny problem solved Modulator valve $34.00 not from Mercedes $55 for same at Mercedes Filter $13.50 Pan gasket $ 8.50 6.5 qts Dexron III $24.00 time one hour may get some "arguments" on using none Mercedes oil but that is just packaging on Mercedes part and scare tactics by their PR, marketing people and service people The inflated prices Mercedes gets on all their products help goes to the cost of their recalls over the past eight years, especially the alternators of 2000-2004 and fiber optic rewiring of same time period Like the car, not Mercedes "parts," from dealerships. Their are many other sources. keep cruisin Jay Hirsch _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. Located in the Greater Atlanta area. http://www.blueridgemb.com 404 805 1357 1996 S600 Euro "Scharnhorst" 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE 1991 560 SEC 226Hp/271ft/lbs:) 1989 560 SEC AMG (N.Amer 250/295) 1986 560 SEL AMG 6.0L 32V 1980 280 SE Euro 1978 300D TMU 1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:( 2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list My regular email address is now jeff.randbfan at gmail.com but this will stay active for several months _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. 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URL: From jhodgman at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:35:16 2008 From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:35:16 -0400 Subject: [W124] transmission update In-Reply-To: References: <1d2f90170807291143l2d230ca0w7b6add41fb78b65e@mail.gmail.com> <242006.64513.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170807291700x1eadb3b8gcb7fedd4e7e954b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489132F4.1070503@gmail.com> Hello Walt, I'd also look to turn up your modulator pressure, only problem being that on the 95's they make it difficult to add any Real increase.. You'll need to pop off the plastic cover on the modulator (try not to crack/ruin in) and then you'll be able to access the T bar underneath to make adjustments. If you are flaring this much already I'd say start w/ two full turns and see where that gets you. Getting the cover back on can be a PITA as well..usually I use the heel of a screw driver against the chassis and that does the trick.... Doing a full drain & fill w/ the B&M will also help quite a bit!! Let me know how you make out:) Jonathan Walt Scudder wrote: > Jonathan: > > I've been following these transmission posts with some interest. I > have a 1995 E320 coupe that is flairing on the 3 to 4 upshift. If I > keep a steady throttle - it will flair at beginning of upshift - then > once clutches engage there is no more slippage. If I ease off > throttle as the 3-4 upshift starts - it will shift into 4th w/o > flairing and once it's engaged does not slip any more. Any guesses > what may be going on? All other shifts are ok - it's just the 3-4 > flair that's the problem. > > Thanks for info on B&M fluid - I may give that a try to see if it > might help. Any advice/suggestions would be appreciated > > Walt -- Blue Ridge Mercedes Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Modification. Providing quality parts to discriminating customers in all parts of the world. 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