From Dale.Hyde at transam.co.uk Sun Jun 3 09:15:53 2007 From: Dale.Hyde at transam.co.uk (Dale Hyde) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:15:53 +0100 Subject: [W124] I found a E36 AMG Cabrio in UK... In-Reply-To: <1d2f90170610121622s5235e515rb4f515f6a08c9a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061012223932.29144.qmail@web34814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170610121622s5235e515rb4f515f6a08c9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: After three years of working hard and saving I decided to replace my E320 Coupe with a Cabrio as I'm always planned. The time came to start looking and on the pages of auto trader there were a few candidates, but right in the middle of them all was a E36 AMG. It was ?5K over my budget but I had to go and take a look. 24 hours later and it's home with me, should be fun. Externally it looks about perfect, internally not too bad although a bit of tlc required, mechanically looks pretty good too, pulls well but with occasional misfire? Oil looks OK but I think it could do with a service. BUT, today the roof has stopped working, any suggestions, here are the symptoms: I opened the roof this morning, engine running. Everything OK up to the point at which the cover closes, it didn't seem to want to catch and pull down. I tried going up and down a few times to no avail and looked at clasp mechanism which showed no obvious fault. Whilst I had it half open I took the opportunity to lube the joints (WD-40 was recommended to me). After a while I gave up and decided to shut the roof, but that didn't seem right either. I have managed to close it. But it doesn't look quite flush at the rear. And now the motor doesn't work at all so it's stuck there. The red light on the roof switch is flashing. I suspect a blown fuse, but can't locate the roof fuse. The main fuse box says it's external, but where? I don't have a manual. I have googled every phrase I can think of, and gather that there are several external fuse boxes. I have found several external fuses (but not in boxes, and none labelled). Is there a hydraulic reservoir somewhere to check levels of? Can anyone recommend a good W124 E36 Cabrio workshop specialist in south of UK (I live in Milton Keynes and drive regularly to London). I'm not too happy with the guy who did my Coupe and have since heard other people not happy too. Finally for now, the main thing that's bugging me inside is the sun visor mounted mirror (passenger) is missing glass and the fold up flap. Is that common on cabrios? The drivers side is missing the fold up flap. They seem to have broken on the locating lugs. I wonder whether to attempt a repair or look for replacements? Looking forward to getting these niggles sorted and enjoying the car... Dale Hyde One other thing, this car only has electric seat on drivers side, passenger is manual. Is that normal? I've never noticed one like it before. E36 AMG Cabrio 134K 300TD 249K Transam Microsystems Limited 2 Bakers Yard, Bakers Row London, EC1R 3HT Tel +44(0)20 7837 4050 Fax +44(0)20 7837 3804 Web http://www.transam.co.uk Registered in England 1370650 Registered Office As above DISCLAIMER: This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient then 1) Please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 2)Please advise us at email.security at transam.co.uk attaching a copy of this email and then delete this email and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Company. N.B. Internet email is not secure and the contents could have been modified by a third party en route to the recipient. E&OE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dakota at mac.com Sun Jun 3 11:16:11 2007 From: dakota at mac.com (Steve Nervig) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:16:11 -0700 Subject: [W124] I found a E36 AMG Cabrio in UK... In-Reply-To: References: <20061012223932.29144.qmail@web34814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1d2f90170610121622s5235e515rb4f515f6a08c9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <621040C3-53F1-4449-BFA7-571E2914D3BE@mac.com> On Jun 3, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Dale Hyde wrote: > After three years of working hard and saving I decided to replace > my E320 Coupe with a Cabrio as I?m always planned. The time came to > start looking and on the pages of auto trader there were a few > candidates, but right in the middle of them all was a E36 AMG. It > was ?5K over my budget but I had to go and take a look. > > > > 24 hours later and it?s home with me, should be fun. Externally it > looks about perfect, internally not too bad although a bit of tlc > required, mechanically looks pretty good too, pulls well but with > occasional misfire? Oil looks OK but I think it could do with a > service. > > > > BUT, today the roof has stopped working, any suggestions, here are > the symptoms: > > > > I opened the roof this morning, engine running. Everything OK up to > the point at which the cover closes, it didn?t seem to want to > catch and pull down. I tried going up and down a few times to no > avail and looked at clasp mechanism which showed no obvious fault. > Whilst I had it half open I took the opportunity to lube the joints > (WD-40 was recommended to me). After a while I gave up and decided > to shut the roof, but that didn?t seem right either. I have managed > to close it. But it doesn?t look quite flush at the rear. And now > the motor doesn?t work at all so it?s stuck there. The red light on > the roof switch is flashing. I suspect a blown fuse, but can?t > locate the roof fuse. The main fuse box says it?s external, but > where? I don?t have a manual. I have googled every phrase I can > think of, and gather that there are several external fuse boxes. I > have found several external fuses (but not in boxes, and none > labelled). Is there a hydraulic reservoir somewhere to check levels > of? > > > > Can anyone recommend a good W124 E36 Cabrio workshop specialist in > south of UK (I live in Milton Keynes and drive regularly to > London). I?m not too happy with the guy who did my Coupe and have > since heard other people not happy too. > > > > Finally for now, the main thing that?s bugging me inside is the sun > visor mounted mirror (passenger) is missing glass and the fold up > flap. Is that common on cabrios? The drivers side is missing the > fold up flap. They seem to have broken on the locating lugs. I > wonder whether to attempt a repair or look for replacements? > > > > Looking forward to getting these niggles sorted and enjoying the car? > > > > Dale Hyde > > > > One other thing, this car only has electric seat on drivers side, > passenger is manual. Is that normal? I?ve never noticed one like it > before. > > > > E36 AMG Cabrio 134K Dale, the ETM shows that the soft top system is powered thru a 30 amp fuse, F24/1, but it does not appear to show where that fuse is. It is connected between the X1 plug via rd/wt wire and the X4/10 plug with a rd wire. The X4/10 plug is just forward of the lower, fwd, outboard corner of the main battery. The X1 plug I can't find. Maybe close to the motor, which, if I recall correctly is near the main fuse box/brake booster area? So the fuse would be somewhere between those two plugs. The N52 control module for the soft top is either under the right rear seat (easy to pop out), or it's behind the right rear seat sidewall panel. (I bet its under the seat bottom.) That motor runs a hydraulic pump, no? how is the hydraulic fluid level? Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From decmcdermott at hotmail.com Sun Jun 3 14:07:00 2007 From: decmcdermott at hotmail.com (Declan Mc Dermott) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:07:00 +0100 Subject: [W124] I found a E36 AMG Cabrio in UK... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dale, The fuse should be in a seperate black plastic box a few inches in front of your main fusebox. It is an aluminium strip fuse so you may not have recognised it as a fuse. The hydraulic pump is in the boot(trunk), lright hand side under a metal panel which will have to be removed (4 Screws). You will firstlyu have to remove the trim paned but this just pulls out with a little wiggling !! The fluid level should be checked with the roof lowered if memory serves me right but you should get an idea even with the roof up. There is also a relay on top of the pump which should be checked. The system, I beleive , is very similiar tothat on the R129 SL so you might look for someone who specialises in these cars with a view to getting the problem sorted. I have seen cars advertised with electric drivers seat only so I don't think this is very unusual. Dec. >From: "Dale Hyde" >Reply-To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles >To: "W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles" >Subject: Re: [W124] I found a E36 AMG Cabrio in UK... >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:15:53 +0100 > >After three years of working hard and saving I decided to replace my E320 >Coupe with a Cabrio as I'm always planned. The time came to start looking >and on the pages of auto trader there were a few candidates, but right in >the middle of them all was a E36 AMG. It was ?5K over my budget but I had >to go and take a look. > > > >24 hours later and it's home with me, should be fun. Externally it looks >about perfect, internally not too bad although a bit of tlc required, >mechanically looks pretty good too, pulls well but with occasional misfire? >Oil looks OK but I think it could do with a service. > > > >BUT, today the roof has stopped working, any suggestions, here are the >symptoms: > > > >I opened the roof this morning, engine running. Everything OK up to the >point at which the cover closes, it didn't seem to want to catch and pull >down. I tried going up and down a few times to no avail and looked at clasp >mechanism which showed no obvious fault. Whilst I had it half open I took >the opportunity to lube the joints (WD-40 was recommended to me). After a >while I gave up and decided to shut the roof, but that didn't seem right >either. I have managed to close it. But it doesn't look quite flush at the >rear. And now the motor doesn't work at all so it's stuck there. The red >light on the roof switch is flashing. I suspect a blown fuse, but can't >locate the roof fuse. The main fuse box says it's external, but where? I >don't have a manual. I have googled every phrase I can think of, and gather >that there are several external fuse boxes. I have found several external >fuses (but not in boxes, and none labelled). Is there a hydraulic reservoir >somewhere to check levels of? > > > >Can anyone recommend a good W124 E36 Cabrio workshop specialist in south of >UK (I live in Milton Keynes and drive regularly to London). I'm not too >happy with the guy who did my Coupe and have since heard other people not >happy too. > > > >Finally for now, the main thing that's bugging me inside is the sun visor >mounted mirror (passenger) is missing glass and the fold up flap. Is that >common on cabrios? The drivers side is missing the fold up flap. They seem >to have broken on the locating lugs. I wonder whether to attempt a repair >or look for replacements? > > > >Looking forward to getting these niggles sorted and enjoying the car... > > > >Dale Hyde > > > >One other thing, this car only has electric seat on drivers side, passenger >is manual. Is that normal? I've never noticed one like it before. > > > >E36 AMG Cabrio 134K > >300TD 249K > >Transam Microsystems Limited >2 Bakers Yard, Bakers Row >London, EC1R 3HT > >Tel +44(0)20 7837 4050 >Fax +44(0)20 7837 3804 > >Web http://www.transam.co.uk >Registered in England 1370650 >Registered Office As above > >DISCLAIMER: This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. >It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the >intended recipient then 1) Please be advised that you have received this >email in error and that any disclosure, copying, distribution or any >action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and >may be unlawful. 2)Please advise us at email.security at transam.co.uk >attaching a copy of this email and then delete this email and any copies >of it. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual >and not necessarily the Company. >N.B. Internet email is not secure and the contents could have been >modified >by a third party en route to the recipient. E&OE. >_______________________________________________ >W124list mailing list >W124list at mbcoupes.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From bfargin at yahoo.com Sun Jun 3 15:36:55 2007 From: bfargin at yahoo.com (brian jones) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] cab soft-top In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43332.74822.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dale, The reservoir is located in the trunk behind the side panel. Mine top quit working and wouldn???t latch full open or full closed and I found that the fluid level was low. I emptied and refilled and it works perfectly now. It might be just as simple as a fluid top-off. The system was supposed to be included in my service but the local dealership obviously pencil whipped it instead of actually checking the fluid and servicing the system. The 30amp fuse is under the hood but don???t remember exactly where it is now. If I remember correctly there is also a large jumper type fuse under the hood somewhere as well. I???ll go out to the garage here and look in a few minutes. If I find anything that I think might help you I will post again. Cheers, Brian Jones in TN ************************************************************************************ Breathes there the man with soul so dead; Who never to himself hath said, This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd As home his footsteps he hath turn'd; >From wandering on a foreign strand? --Walter Scott-- If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. --Samuel Adams-- *************************************************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Dale.Hyde at transam.co.uk Mon Jun 4 04:56:13 2007 From: Dale.Hyde at transam.co.uk (Dale Hyde) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:56:13 +0100 Subject: [W124] E36 AMG Cabrio soft top problem... In-Reply-To: <43332.74822.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43332.74822.qm@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to the various posts, I don't think I'll get a chance to look at the car again this week as I'll be travelling but it sounds like I should be able to at least locate and check the fuse & hydraulic level now! One other question, what is the normal operation of the lamp in the roof open/close switch? It's currently permently red except when I try to operate it when it starts to flash. If I drive the car I get a couple of rounds of warning chimes, presumably this confirms that the rear of the roof is not correctly shut, it doesn't look quite flush. What's the best workshop guide for one of these, I like to do my own basic work, or at least be able to check things, although it doesn't usually take long to find that I need to call in the professionals. I've heard good things of Stu Ritters bible but I'm not sure if there's a better source for the AMG? I'll let you know what I find when I get a chance to look at the car again. Thanks, Dale Transam Microsystems Limited 2 Bakers Yard, Bakers Row London, EC1R 3HT Tel +44(0)20 7837 4050 Fax +44(0)20 7837 3804 Web http://www.transam.co.uk Registered in England 1370650 Registered Office As above DISCLAIMER: This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient then 1) Please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 2)Please advise us at email.security at transam.co.uk attaching a copy of this email and then delete this email and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Company. N.B. Internet email is not secure and the contents could have been modified by a third party en route to the recipient. E&OE. From richard.granville at wanadoo.fr Mon Jun 4 07:27:16 2007 From: richard.granville at wanadoo.fr (Richard Granville) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:27:16 +0200 Subject: [W124] (no subject) Message-ID: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers Richard English in France ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From calle at cosmic.no Mon Jun 4 07:36:36 2007 From: calle at cosmic.no (Carl-Inge Svingeseth) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:36:36 +0200 Subject: [W124] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> References: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> Message-ID: <001801c7a69c$9ccf0370$d66d0a50$@no> Does the discbrakes have blueish colour? Too many and hard use of brakes will overheaten the discs and they will get unbalanced. From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Richard Granville Sent: 4. juni 2007 13:27 To: w124list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [W124] (no subject) 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers Richard English in France ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barmstea at ibb.gov Mon Jun 4 07:43:01 2007 From: barmstea at ibb.gov (Brian Armstead) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:43:01 -0400 Subject: [W124] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> References: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> Message-ID: <4663FAC5.2020107@ibb.gov> Did you check the motor mounts Richard? Brian 94 E320 Cab Richard Granville wrote: > 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... much > of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts new, new > rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, and of course > changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! The steering > feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and although the steering > wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, I am not convinced that > the body transmits as well. Never been in crash or shunt, Mercedes and > Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful condition but this vibration > spoils long trips on motorways.... any wizzkids out there with ideas > ? Regards to all readers Richard English in France ! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From dakota at mac.com Mon Jun 4 08:54:58 2007 From: dakota at mac.com (Steve Nervig) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:54:58 -0700 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> References: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... > much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts > new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, > and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! > The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and > although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, > I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in > crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful > condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... > any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers > Richard English in France ! Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done so. Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. Regards, Steve 1992 300CE Sportline ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: driveline_vibes_early124.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22809 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: driveline_vibes_late124.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 18820 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acordova at texas.net Mon Jun 4 10:25:00 2007 From: acordova at texas.net (acordova at texas.net) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:25:00 -0500 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> Message-ID: <1180967100.466420bce5885@webmail.texas.net> If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the front end. How old is the steering damper? Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I believe the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so many dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models like ours. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 221K Quoting Steve Nervig : > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > > > 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... > > much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts > > new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, > > and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! > > The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and > > although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, > > I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in > > crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful > > condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... > > any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers > > Richard English in France ! > > Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel > it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. > > Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really > require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to > balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop > that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done > so. > > Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be > balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There > is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. > > Regards, > Steve > 1992 300CE Sportline > > > ?????? > From richard.granville at wanadoo.fr Mon Jun 4 10:56:58 2007 From: richard.granville at wanadoo.fr (Richard Granville) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:56:58 +0200 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 References: Message-ID: <000901c7a6b8$99a7e920$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> steve, i am amazed that already you seem to have information that no mercedes garage seemed to have here in Bordeaux.... they simply say that they knopw of no-one set up to balance the drive shaft. The drive shaft has been off and on buth i am convinced now from the words "thrumming at 100 to 150 kmh that this is exactly the problem. How long does the procedure described in the AF41 etc sheet take ? Are tjhey going to "sting" me for the repair as I have already spent a lot on this car...... although i do have a vehicle which will potentially outlast me ! I agree on balancing being delicate but do not feel that this is the cause.... too many different rebalances by different companies has not cured the "thrumming" (i am so, so pleased with this word... it describes exactly the problem ! regards and thanks Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > Send W124list mailing list submissions to > w124list at mbcoupes.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > w124list-request at mbcoupes.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > w124list-owner at mbcoupes.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of W124list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vibrations (Steve Nervig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:54:58 -0700 > From: Steve Nervig > Subject: Re: [W124] Vibrations > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles , Richard > Granville > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > >> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> Richard English in France ! > > Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel > it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. > > Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really > require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to > balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop > that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done > so. > > Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be > balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There > is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. > > Regards, > Steve > 1992 300CE Sportline > > > ?? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_early124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 22809 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_late124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 18820 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > End of W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > *************************************** > From richard.granville at wanadoo.fr Mon Jun 4 10:59:14 2007 From: richard.granville at wanadoo.fr (Richard Granville) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:59:14 +0200 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 References: Message-ID: <000e01c7a6b8$eacd60f0$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> PS whilst i am bothering you, can you also "cure" a singing fuel pump which howls at me after a journey ! (noise from rear end) ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > Send W124list mailing list submissions to > w124list at mbcoupes.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > w124list-request at mbcoupes.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > w124list-owner at mbcoupes.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of W124list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vibrations (Steve Nervig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:54:58 -0700 > From: Steve Nervig > Subject: Re: [W124] Vibrations > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles , Richard > Granville > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > >> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> Richard English in France ! > > Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel > it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. > > Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really > require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to > balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop > that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done > so. > > Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be > balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There > is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. > > Regards, > Steve > 1992 300CE Sportline > > > ?? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_early124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 22809 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_late124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 18820 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > End of W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > *************************************** > From richard.granville at wanadoo.fr Mon Jun 4 11:00:36 2007 From: richard.granville at wanadoo.fr (Richard Granville) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:00:36 +0200 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 References: Message-ID: <001101c7a6b9$1bf2b540$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> pss who REALLY knows 124 Mercs in France ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > Send W124list mailing list submissions to > w124list at mbcoupes.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > w124list-request at mbcoupes.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > w124list-owner at mbcoupes.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of W124list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vibrations (Steve Nervig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:54:58 -0700 > From: Steve Nervig > Subject: Re: [W124] Vibrations > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles , Richard > Granville > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > >> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> Richard English in France ! > > Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel > it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. > > Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really > require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to > balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop > that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done > so. > > Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be > balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There > is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. > > Regards, > Steve > 1992 300CE Sportline > > > ?? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_early124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 22809 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_late124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 18820 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > End of W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > *************************************** > From Paul.Gibbons at uk.thalesgroup.com Mon Jun 4 11:02:38 2007 From: Paul.Gibbons at uk.thalesgroup.com (Gibbons, Paul) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:02:38 +0100 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 Message-ID: <31B39A6C69AE294A80FF2D9B5BA940F303B5B13D@agendax.ravl.co.uk> Richard, Remember the engine will be cranked-over hard at high(ish) speeds, delivering the power required to get there.... This means the engine mounts will be under a lot of strain and metal-to-,metal contact could take place.......not just in the engine mounts but the exhaust is at the ectreme of it's movement too, so could be contacting something.... -----Original Message----- From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Richard Granville Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:57 PM To: w124list at mbcoupes.com Subject: Re: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 steve, i am amazed that already you seem to have information that no mercedes garage seemed to have here in Bordeaux.... they simply say that they knopw of no-one set up to balance the drive shaft. The drive shaft has been off and on buth i am convinced now from the words "thrumming at 100 to 150 kmh that this is exactly the problem. How long does the procedure described in the AF41 etc sheet take ? Are tjhey going to "sting" me for the repair as I have already spent a lot on this car...... although i do have a vehicle which will potentially outlast me ! I agree on balancing being delicate but do not feel that this is the cause.... too many different rebalances by different companies has not cured the "thrumming" (i am so, so pleased with this word... it describes exactly the problem ! regards and thanks Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > Send W124list mailing list submissions to > w124list at mbcoupes.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > w124list-request at mbcoupes.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > w124list-owner at mbcoupes.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of W124list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Vibrations (Steve Nervig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:54:58 -0700 > From: Steve Nervig > Subject: Re: [W124] Vibrations > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles , Richard > Granville > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > >> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> Richard English in France ! > > Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel > it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. > > Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really > require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to > balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop > that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done > so. > > Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be > balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There > is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. > > Regards, > Steve > 1992 300CE Sportline > > > ?? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_early124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 22809 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: driveline_vibes_late124.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 18820 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > > End of W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list Thales Avionics Limited is incorporated in England and Wales. Company registration number 523160. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Nr. Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX. This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Jun 4 11:48:29 2007 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:48:29 -0400 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <1180967100.466420bce5885@webmail.texas.net> References: <001e01c7a69b$4f029720$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> <1180967100.466420bce5885@webmail.texas.net> Message-ID: <44c18cbf2be9b302703e286ad1df4351@mac.com> to change subject Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday and nothing Have lights, etc., battery is charged. When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look or is this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was no good would lights still not dim when starting? keep cruisin Jay Hirsch Never had problem before On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the > front > end. > > How old is the steering damper? > > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I > believe > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so > many > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models > like > ours. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 221K > > Quoting Steve Nervig : > >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done >> so. >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> Regards, >> Steve >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> ?????? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From alexchcn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 11:56:06 2007 From: alexchcn at yahoo.com (alex aitken) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <44c18cbf2be9b302703e286ad1df4351@mac.com> Message-ID: <80745.21402.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> dumb question, but is the tranny in Park? Jay Hirsch wrote: to change subject Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday and nothing Have lights, etc., battery is charged. When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look or is this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was no good would lights still not dim when starting? keep cruisin Jay Hirsch Never had problem before On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the > front > end. > > How old is the steering damper? > > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I > believe > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so > many > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models > like > ours. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 221K > > Quoting Steve Nervig : > >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty shop >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously done >> so. >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> Regards, >> Steve >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> ?????? >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Jun 4 12:00:43 2007 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:00:43 -0400 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <80745.21402.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80745.21402.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not so dumb I tried moving the shift a little thinking it was "not exactly in park," but still nothing. Even tried "neutral." On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:56 AM, alex aitken wrote: > dumb question, but is?the tranny?in Park? > > Jay Hirsch wrote:to change subject >> >> Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday and >> nothing >> Have lights, etc., battery is charged. >> When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights >> and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a >> wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look or is >> this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was no >> good would lights still not dim when starting? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> Never had problem before >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: >> >> > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the >> > front >> > end. >> > >> > How old is the steering damper? >> > >> > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I >> > believe >> > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so >> > many >> > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models >> > like >> > ours. >> > >> > Alec Cordova >> > Taylor, Texas >> > 89 300CE, 221K >> > >> > Quoting Steve Nervig : >> > >> >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >> >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel >> >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to >> >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty >> shop >> >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously >> done >> >> so. >> >> >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There >> >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> >> >> >> ?????? >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > W124list mailing list >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing._______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3458 bytes Desc: not available Url : From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Jun 4 12:13:56 2007 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:13:56 -0400 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <80745.21402.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80745.21402.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6ff7f7c63fd864689e7bf9d3b0f463ed@mac.com> Alex Just tried car again. Moved shift lever up and down a few times then put lever in park, car started. Turned car off and tried starting again, nothing. Either shift lever may need adjusting or a starter wire is flaky. Jay On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:56 AM, alex aitken wrote: > dumb question, but is?the tranny?in Park? > > Jay Hirsch wrote:to change subject >> >> Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday and >> nothing >> Have lights, etc., battery is charged. >> When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights >> and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a >> wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look or is >> this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was no >> good would lights still not dim when starting? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> Never had problem before >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: >> >> > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the >> > front >> > end. >> > >> > How old is the steering damper? >> > >> > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I >> > believe >> > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so >> > many >> > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models >> > like >> > ours. >> > >> > Alec Cordova >> > Taylor, Texas >> > 89 300CE, 221K >> > >> > Quoting Steve Nervig : >> > >> >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >> >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel >> >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to >> >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty >> shop >> >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously >> done >> >> so. >> >> >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There >> >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> >> >> >> ?????? >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > W124list mailing list >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing._______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3563 bytes Desc: not available Url : From alexchcn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 13:44:48 2007 From: alexchcn at yahoo.com (alex aitken) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <6ff7f7c63fd864689e7bf9d3b0f463ed@mac.com> Message-ID: <840521.28318.qm@web31312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's a lock out safety switch somewhere, and would assume it has failed, or needs to be cleaned or adjusted. Jay Hirsch wrote: Alex Just tried car again. Moved shift lever up and down a few times then put lever in park, car started. Turned car off and tried starting again, nothing. Either shift lever may need adjusting or a starter wire is flaky. Jay On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:56 AM, alex aitken wrote: > dumb question, but is the tranny in Park? > > Jay Hirsch wrote:to change subject >> >> Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday and >> nothing >> Have lights, etc., battery is charged. >> When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights >> and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a >> wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look or is >> this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was no >> good would lights still not dim when starting? >> keep cruisin >> Jay Hirsch >> Never had problem before >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: >> >> > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from the >> > front >> > end. >> > >> > How old is the steering damper? >> > >> > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I >> > believe >> > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, so >> > many >> > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing models >> > like >> > ours. >> > >> > Alec Cordova >> > Taylor, Texas >> > 89 300CE, 221K >> > >> > Quoting Steve Nervig : >> > >> >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >> >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive shafts >> >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive shaft, >> >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance checks ! >> >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration feel, >> >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been in >> >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... beautiful >> >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you feel >> >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know how to >> >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty >> shop >> >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously >> done >> >> so. >> >> >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. There >> >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> >> >> >> ?????? >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > W124list mailing list >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing._______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dakota at mac.com Mon Jun 4 13:56:03 2007 From: dakota at mac.com (Steve Nervig) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:56:03 -0700 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <000e01c7a6b8$eacd60f0$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> References: <000e01c7a6b8$eacd60f0$0a01a8c0@granvillefb9c2> Message-ID: <9E5BF73A-85E1-4DFB-8A6C-0ABDEEB22246@mac.com> On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > PS whilst i am bothering you, can you also "cure" a singing fuel > pump which howls at me after a journey ! (noise from rear end) ! I've heard that that is a sign of a failing pump - but I don't know for sure. Steve From acordova at texas.net Mon Jun 4 20:22:46 2007 From: acordova at texas.net (Alec Cordova) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:22:46 -0500 Subject: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <9E5BF73A-85E1-4DFB-8A6C-0ABDEEB22246@mac.com> Message-ID: The fuel pumps on my 89 coupe were louder than normal for only a matter of weeks just before they died completely while I was in traffic. I assume yours has two fuel pumps, like mine. Have them both checked promptly, and expect at least one to need replacement. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 222K > -----Original Message----- > From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com > [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Steve Nervig > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:56 PM > To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles > Subject: Re: [W124] W124list Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Richard Granville wrote: > > > PS whilst i am bothering you, can you also "cure" a singing fuel > > pump which howls at me after a journey ! (noise from rear end) ! > > I've heard that that is a sign of a failing pump - but I don't know > for sure. > > Steve From J.Hirsch at mac.com Mon Jun 4 20:45:31 2007 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:45:31 -0400 Subject: [W124] Vibrations In-Reply-To: <840521.28318.qm@web31312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840521.28318.qm@web31312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alex Will try and find the lock out switc tomorrow. Fortunately I do not need the car and where it is in the garage is not blocking anything Will keep you informed on progress keep cruisin Jat On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:44 PM, alex aitken wrote: > There's a lock out safety switch somewhere, and would assume it has > failed, or needs to be cleaned or adjusted. > > Jay Hirsch wrote:Alex >> Just tried car again. Moved shift lever up and down a few times then >> put lever in park, car started. >> Turned car off and tried starting again, nothing. >> Either shift lever may need adjusting or a starter wire is flaky. >> Jay >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:56 AM, alex aitken wrote: >> >> > dumb question, but is?the tranny?in Park? >> > >> > Jay Hirsch wrote:to change subject >> >> >> >> Parked my 560 SEC in garage last week, went to start it yestereday >> and >> >> nothing >> >> Have lights, etc., battery is charged. >> >> When I start car the lights do not get dim. Even put on headlights >> >> and when I turn ignition key to start lights do not dim. Is there a >> >> wire is that is not making contact and if so where should I look >> or is >> >> this the sign of a bad starter that just "went?" If fuel pump was >> no >> >> good would lights still not dim when starting? >> >> keep cruisin >> >> Jay Hirsch >> >> Never had problem before >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, acordova at texas.net wrote: >> >> >> >> > If you feel it in the steering wheel, it's probably coming from >> the >> >> > front >> >> > end. >> >> > >> >> > How old is the steering damper? >> >> > >> >> > Are you sure those mechanics are familiar with the W124 series? I >> >> > believe >> >> > the current models no longer use a strut-based front suspension, >> so >> >> > many >> >> > dealerships may not be sufficiently familiar with diagnosing >> models >> >> > like >> >> > ours. >> >> > >> >> > Alec Cordova >> >> > Taylor, Texas >> >> > 89 300CE, 221K >> >> > >> >> > Quoting Steve Nervig : >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Richard Granville wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> 1990 300-24ce automatic 5 speed. Vibrations at 100 Kmh + .... >> >> >>> much of front suspension checked and replaced, rear drive >> shafts >> >> >>> new, new rear differential, replaced rubber bushes in drive >> shaft, >> >> >>> and of course changed alloys and tyres with many balance >> checks ! >> >> >>> The steering feels "metallic" when the vibration comes in and >> >> >>> although the steering wheel transmits the metallic vibration >> feel, >> >> >>> I am not convinced that the body transmits as well. Never been >> in >> >> >>> crash or shunt, Mercedes and Mannesfrance perplexed..... >> beautiful >> >> >>> condition but this vibration spoils long trips on motorways.... >> >> >>> any wizzkids out there with ideas ? Regards to all readers >> >> >>> Richard English in France ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, I'm not sure from your description, as to whether you >> feel >> >> >> it is in the front end or the rear drive shaft. >> >> >> >> >> >> Were the wheels/tires balanced on the vehicle? Some cars really >> >> >> require this to get it 'perfect'. A lot of shops do not know >> how to >> >> >> balance wheels/tires properly, so I suggest finding a specialty >> >> shop >> >> >> that REALLY knows what they are doing, if you haven't previously >> >> done >> >> >> so. >> >> >> >> >> >> Failing that, it may be your drive shaft, and it may need to be >> >> >> balanced. Here are a couple of jobs that show how to do this. >> There >> >> >> is also job 41-080 in the Service Manual if you need it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> 1992 300CE Sportline >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ?????? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > W124list mailing list >> >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> W124list mailing list >> >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> > >> > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're >> > surfing._______________________________________________ >> > W124list mailing list >> > W124list at mbcoupes.com >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > Sick sense of humor? 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Steve _______________________________________________ W124list mailing list W124list at mbcoupes.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/752 - Release Date: 8/04/2007 8:34 PM From mfdesmond at comcast.net Wed Jun 6 23:59:57 2007 From: mfdesmond at comcast.net (mfdesmond at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:59:57 +0000 Subject: [W124] I found a E36 AMG Cabrio in UK... Message-ID: <060720070359.1296.466782BD0003A7AB0000051022007621940B0201039C0A0B0003@comcast.net> Dale: I am not a Mercedes convertible expert (I own an 1994 e320 convertible) by any stretch but was given some advice you might try. I was told if the convertible top doesn't work correctly and you try to go up and back w/out completing the fully cycle, the system gets confused. You should disconnect both battery cables from the battery ( + and - ) and touch them together for 1-2 minutes. This will drain / neutralize all the residual electricity from the car and the convertible top computer will re-set to the start position. Might ask this to a couple other folks to see if it sounds correct. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dale Hyde" After three years of working hard and saving I decided to replace my E320 Coupe with a Cabrio as I?m always planned. The time came to start looking and on the pages of auto trader there were a few candidates, but right in the middle of them all was a E36 AMG. It was ?5K over my budget but I had to go and take a look. 24 hours later and it?s home with me, should be fun. Externally it looks about perfect, internally not too bad although a bit of tlc required, mechanically looks pretty good too, pulls well but with occasional misfire? Oil looks OK but I think it could do with a service. BUT, today the roof has stopped working, any suggestions, here are the symptoms: I opened the roof this morning, engine running. Everything OK up to the point at which the cover closes, it didn?t seem to want to catch and pull down. I tried going up and down a few times to no avail and looked at clasp mechanism which showed no obvious fault. Whilst I had it half open I took the opportunity to lube the joints (WD-40 was recommended to me). After a while I gave up and decided to shut the roof, but that didn?t seem right either. I have managed to close it. But it doesn?t look quite flush at the rear. And now the motor doesn?t work at all so it?s stuck there. The red light on the roof switch is flashing. I suspect a blown fuse, but can?t locate the roof fuse. The main fuse box says it?s external, but where? I don?t have a manual. I have googled every phrase I can think of, and gather that there are several external fuse boxes. I have found several external fuses (but not in boxes, and none labelled). Is there a hydraulic reservoir somewhere to check levels of ? Can anyone recommend a good W124 E36 Cabrio workshop specialist in south of UK (I live in Milton Keynes and drive regularly to London). I?m not too happy with the guy who did my Coupe and have since heard other people not happy too. Finally for now, the main thing that?s bugging me inside is the sun visor mounted mirror (passenger) is missing glass and the fold up flap. Is that common on cabrios? The drivers side is missing the fold up flap. They seem to have broken on the locating lugs. I wonder whether to attempt a repair or look for replacements? Looking forward to getting these niggles sorted and enjoying the car? Dale Hyde One other thing, this car only has electric seat on drivers side, passenger is manual. Is that normal? I?ve never noticed one like it before. 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However, mineral oils of today are much better than they were 20 years ago, and if you change your oil and filter at recommended intervals, and never see extreme conditions, it will be just fine, also. I just like the extra protection that I get from synthetic. If you are traveling in 104F heat and your coolant temp is approaching 110C, your engine bearing temperatures are going to approach probably 275-285F. Mineral oil begins to break down at about 300F, so you have very little margin of safety. A good synthetic will probably go to 450F, at least, before starting to break down. But, I don't want to start an "oil war" here. There is plenty of info on the various car forums about mineral vs synthetic, and each side has it detractors. 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URL: From j.dersono at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 14:41:49 2007 From: j.dersono at hotmail.com (J Dersono) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:41:49 -0500 Subject: [W124] performances upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: do you have any recommendeation for a chip and performance exhaust for a 1992 and a 1995 e320 copue thanks >From: Jay Hirsch >Reply-To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles >To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles >Subject: Re: [W124] Oil change time >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:50:20 -0400 > >If the car from new never used synthetic, a waste of money to use it now >I use 15/w 40 on all my cars, diesel and gas. A few independent Mercedes >mechanic's told me this >keep cruisin >Jay >I also change oil three times a year or every 2000 miles >On Jun 30, 2007, at 12:31 PM, MICHAEL BURLEY wrote: > >>? >>Greetings from sunny Oregon, >>? >>I do my own oil changes. Do any of you w124 folks have a recommendation >>for oil filter brands? Are synthetic & synthetic blends OK in this engine? >>? >>Mike B >>? >> >>?_______________________________________________ >>W124list mailing list >>W124list at mbcoupes.com >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list >_______________________________________________ >W124list mailing list >W124list at mbcoupes.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From rikard.petersson at maxm.se Sat Jun 30 14:46:58 2007 From: rikard.petersson at maxm.se (Rikard Petersson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:46:58 +0200 Subject: [W124] performances upgrades Message-ID: Hej. Jag ?r p? semester och ?r ?ter p? kontoret den 1:a Juli. 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URL: From J.Hirsch at mac.com Sat Jun 30 17:02:16 2007 From: J.Hirsch at mac.com (Jay Hirsch) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:02:16 -0400 Subject: [W124] performances upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, no recommendation there Jay On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:41 PM, J Dersono wrote: > do you have any recommendeation for a chip and performance exhaust for > a 1992 and a 1995 e320 copue > > thanks > > >> From: Jay Hirsch >> Reply-To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles >> To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles >> Subject: Re: [W124] Oil change time >> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:50:20 -0400 >> >> If the car from new never used synthetic, a waste of money to use >> it now >> I use 15/w 40 on all my cars, diesel and gas. A few independent >> Mercedes mechanic's told me this >> keep cruisin >> Jay >> I also change oil three times a year or every 2000 miles >> On Jun 30, 2007, at 12:31 PM, MICHAEL BURLEY wrote: >> >>> ? >>> Greetings from sunny Oregon, >>> ? >>> I do my own oil changes. Do any of you w124 folks have a >>> recommendation for oil filter brands? Are synthetic & synthetic >>> blends OK in this engine? >>> ? >>> Mike B >>> ? >>> >>> ?_______________________________________________ >>> W124list mailing list >>> W124list at mbcoupes.com >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > >> _______________________________________________ >> W124list mailing list >> W124list at mbcoupes.com >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > W124list mailing list > W124list at mbcoupes.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/w124list From rikard.petersson at maxm.se Sat Jun 30 17:07:40 2007 From: rikard.petersson at maxm.se (Rikard Petersson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:40 +0200 Subject: [W124] performances upgrades Message-ID: Hej. Jag ?r p? semester och ?r ?ter p? kontoret den 1:a Juli. Vid br?dskande ?renden kontakta en kollega i mitt team. v?xeln +46 (0) 8 613 02 00 I am on vacation and will be back the 1st of July. In urgent matters please contact a collegue in my team. Switchboard +46 (0) 8 613 02 00 Med V?nlig H?lsning/Regards Rikard Petersson Finansiell R?dgivare Max Matthiessen Liv & Finansm?klare AB Box 5634, Birger Jarlsgatan 31, SE-114 86 Stockholm, Sweden Phone +46-(0)8 613 02 20 Fax +46-(0)8 22 73 02 rikard.petersson at maxm.se www.maxm.se Maxfonder.se - ett b?ttre fondsparande! L?s mer p? www.maxfonder.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: