[W124] 230CE '92 ABS and other queries

Mon May 15 21:40:44 EDT 2006

Just to clarify, I'm pretty sure the M102 was only officially sold in the
US, and only in 2.3 liter form, in the 1984 - 1993 W201 Baby Benz 190E 2.3.
I don't think we even got it in the older W123 cars; we only got the 280E
with M110, and the 240D, 300D, and 300DT diesels.

I imagine a 230CE, especially if it has a 5 speed manual, would be a nice
tossabout.

Alec Cordova
Taylor, Texas
89 300CE, 204K

> -----Original Message-----
> From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> [mailto:w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Declan Mc Dermott
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: w124list at mbcoupes.com
> Subject: Re: [W124] 230CE '92 ABS and other queries
>
>
> Hi Frank/Steve.
>
> I think the 230CE probably has the 8-pole diagnostic socket which
> would have
> no capability of pulling fault codes from the N57 module.
> The 230CE does use the M102 engine but I beleive was only
> imported into the
> U.S. in saloon form.
> Mcercedes Benz U.S. will not send the CDs outside of the U.S. You can
> generally pick copies up on E-Bay (U.K.) for a few quid.
> By the way did you sort your ABS problem ?  It may be worthwhile checking
> that both front wheels and tyres are EXACTLY the same size as any slight
> difference - even down to two differant tyre manufacturers - can
> cause the
> ABS light to come on at speed. You should also check that there is no
> excessive play in the front wheel bearings as this can also cause errant
> signals.
> Regards,
> Dec.
>
>
> >From: Steve Nervig <dakota at mac.com>
> >Reply-To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles <w124list at mbcoupes.com>
> >To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles <w124list at mbcoupes.com>
> >Subject: Re: [W124] 230CE '92 ABS and other queries
> >Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:01:44 -0700
> >
> >Not sure which page you are referring to, Frank. Is it this one?
> ><http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_CF.html>
> >
> >Would be interesting to see if you can pull those codes on a W124.  His
> >codes are on a V8 powered W140, so the W124 N57 may not have all  of the
> >capability that it does.
> >
> >I suspect that the codes are read with an ODB from the pins 1, 2 and  21
> >from the diagnostic plug in the engine compartment.
> >
> >BTW, I think you can order the MB Service Library CDs direct
> from MB- USA
> >(US$40, I think now). Not positive they will ship out of the US  though.
> >Also, note that the CDs only cover MBs that were imported  into USA,
> >although much information is interchangeable. Does the  230CE have the
> >4-cyl M102 engine?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >On May 14, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Frank Smyth wrote:
> >
> >>No, no worries Steve, all of this is still a help. If the worst
>  comes to
> >>the worst, I can always fit the alarm's window-closure box  into the
> >>wiring that's nicely available at the N57 location :-)  it'll
> be minus the
> >>sunroof closure though.
> >>
> >>I'll have a look on ebay for the workshop manuals/electrical  diagrams
> >>CDs.
> >>
> >>Yep, it's a coupe, not a convertible but the front seats are heated  so
> >>perhaps that yellow box looks after that as you reckon.
> >>
> >>BTW here's an interesting page (and the whole of the website is  indeed
> >>interesting) that shows that the N57 is supposed to be able  to report
> >>diagnostic information. No idea how/where yet, but it's  interesting
> >>stuff.
> >>
> >>Cheers
> >>
> >>Frank
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: w124list-bounces at mbcoupes.com on behalf of Steve Nervig
> >>Sent: Sun 14/05/2006 20:32
> >>To: W124 CE Coupes and Convertibles
> >>Subject: Re: [W124] 230CE '92 ABS and other queries
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Frank,
> >>
> >>Sorry that didn't work, Frank.
> >>
> >>I've shuffled my web site around a bit. New addy is <http://
> >>web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Parts/Relay.html> for the relay, and I've now
> >>included the wire diagram pages from the ETM (Electrical
> >>Troubleshooting Manual) for the power windows and the sliding roof.
> >>Also the job for adjusting the roof.
> >>
> >>I've also added a photo showing the N57 relay removed and my car,
> >>unlike yours, does not have that yellow relay beneath it, so I don't
> >>know what that is. Yours is not a convertible is it? Do you have
> >>heated seats? Could be front seat heater control N25/5.
> >>
> >>Not sure what zip file you are talking about, unless it is from my
> >>Index page. The Index will be of no use to you unless you have the MB
> >>Service Library CDs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On May 14, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Frank Smyth wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Steve
> >>>
> >>>I whipped out the relay-box as suggested, but no difference -
> >>>sunroof still pops up to "tilt". I wonder if the built-in
> >>>microswitch, assuming there is one, is done for. Unfortunately the
> >>>wiring diagram in the Haynes manual is useless - it doesn't show
> >>>that convenience-control box under the seats. Nor does it show the
> >>>sunroof mechanism on the diagram.
> >>>
> >>>There's another box in that well, ominous in yellow: http://
<http:///>
>>>mx5ireland.com/members/frank/benz/DSC05825.JPG
>>>and then another in the well on the other side of the car: http://
>>><http:///>
>>>mx5ireland.com/members/frank/benz/DSC05835.JPG
>>>
>>>Will try to recreate the workshop manuals from the zip file later
>>>(first attempt failed - CD1 and CD2 folders only have a 7kb
>>>DS_Store file in each). Hopefully there's a wiring diagram in there
>>>
>>>Thanks for the help - and the pictures
>>>Frank
>
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