# [Retros] rights & ocassions / not answering Andrew anymore

Guus Rol grol33 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 2 09:37:13 EDT 2014

```Hi Olli,

Things are not that complicated. You can always construct one proof game
for the diagram in less than 41.5 moves in which Rg8+ draws because of 3R
occurring at the next move Bf8. This is sufficient to dual the intended
solution. Of course, still on the premise that 3R is automatic by
convention.

Best wishes, Guus.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Olli Heimo <olli.heimo at luukku.com> wrote:

> Hi Joost-
> I can't decide if I agree or disagree. The Codex says: "Article 18 -
> Repetition of Position
> A position is considered as a draw if it can be proved that an identical
> position [21] has occured three times in the proof game combined with the
> solution". So after the forced 32. - Bf8 the game is over and neither
> player can anymore checkmate. It follows that the game is over already
> after 32.Rg8+. But one can't prove that it is an identical position. In
> certain proofgames it is a fact, but if e.g. 19.Na3 Rb8 20.Nb1 Ra8 it is
> not identical. There are several rules competing with other rules. Which
> one is the strongest? Olli.
>
> Retros Probleemblad kirjoitti 27.05.2014 kello 17:51:
> > On 05/27/2014 11:57 AM, Guus Rol wrote:
> > > Hi Olli,
> > > Yes, you got the idea! I am not sure about the precise position and
> > > timing but basically DR cooks it if you aim for the position after Bf8.
> >
> > I don't think so. DR uses article 5.1b ("The game is drawn when a
> > position has arisen in which neither player can checkmate the
> >  opponent?s
>  > king with any series of legal moves."). Since ignoring the 3-fold
> > repetition is legal, there's a legal continuation in which any colour
> > can checkmate.
> >
> > Joost
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