From starfishsailor at mail.com  Thu Apr  2 07:38:50 2009
From: starfishsailor at mail.com (Jody Techlin)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:38:50 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] 1996 SL320 Soft Top and Roll Over Bar Indicator Lights
Message-ID: <20090402113850.368511CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello,
Yesterday I had my 1996 SL320 detailed.  When the fellow finished the detailing he lowered the top which operated just fine so I am told.  When I arrived and decided to move the garage from the driveway back into the garage I noticed the red button for lowering the top was lighted - solid red light not flashing, and that the manual rollover bar indicator / activator was lighted as well.  The rollover bar is in the down position, the top is in the full down position, the boot is latched / locked in the down position.  I have checked the fuse, no problem with the fuse.  The top has always operated flawlessly, since I was not present when he lowered the top I have no idea of what if anything happened, I have every reason to believe the fellow did nothing wrong to cause this problem.  In any case, can anyone of you give me some clues as to what to check and what to do before heading off to the dealer or shop?  As I mentioned these lights are solid, not flashing.  No beeping and the car can still be put into gear and driven as I was able to move it back into its garage space.  Any help will be appreciated.  I've had the car now for the past 5 months and love it!
Jody / Punta Gorda Florida
1996 SL320 - 29k
1989 190E 2.6 - 119k 

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From starfishsailor at mail.com  Thu Apr  2 07:45:45 2009
From: starfishsailor at mail.com (Jody Techlin)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:45:45 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] SL320 Soft Top Problem - One more detail
Message-ID: <20090402114545.901EF10603@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

I forgot to mention, I have tried to raise the top and or the rollbar using these activation switches and nothing is happening - the rollbar does not raise and the top remains in the down positon.  The boot does not raise either.  I should have mentioned this in the other note.  Thanks again for your collective help.
Regards,
Jody

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From amseunath at atlanticlng.com  Thu Apr  2 08:01:12 2009
From: amseunath at atlanticlng.com (Anil M Seunath)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:01:12 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] 1996 SL320 Soft Top and Roll Over Bar Indicator Lights
In-Reply-To: <20090402113850.368511CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <OFCD80CD7A.B7C5EB5D-ON0425758C.0041F7CB-0425758C.00420707@atlanticlng.com>

Check the fluid reservior under the spare tire. Sounds like the hydraulic 
fluid is low. 



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Subject
[R129 SL] 1996 SL320 Soft Top and Roll Over Bar Indicator Lights






Hello,
Yesterday I had my 1996 SL320 detailed.  When the fellow finished the 
detailing he lowered the top which operated just fine so I am told.  When 
I arrived and decided to move the garage from the driveway back into the 
garage I noticed the red button for lowering the top was lighted - solid 
red light not flashing, and that the manual rollover bar indicator / 
activator was lighted as well.  The rollover bar is in the down position, 
the top is in the full down position, the boot is latched / locked in the 
down position.  I have checked the fuse, no problem with the fuse.  The 
top has always operated flawlessly, since I was not present when he 
lowered the top I have no idea of what if anything happened, I have every 
reason to believe the fellow did nothing wrong to cause this problem.  In 
any case, can anyone of you give me some clues as to what to check and 
what to do before heading off to the dealer or shop?  As I mentioned these 
lights are solid, not flashing.  No beeping and t
 he car can still be put into gear and driven as I was able to move it 
back into its garage space.  Any help will be appreciated.  I've had the 
car now for the past 5 months and love it!
Jody / Punta Gorda Florida
1996 SL320 - 29k
1989 190E 2.6 - 119k 

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From deneals at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  2 09:59:11 2009
From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister (MacbookPro) SBC)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:59:11 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] 1996 SL320 Soft Top and Roll Over Bar Indicator Lights
In-Reply-To: <OFCD80CD7A.B7C5EB5D-ON0425758C.0041F7CB-0425758C.00420707@atlanticlng.com>
Message-ID: <C5FA2EDF.E1AD%deneals@sbcglobal.net>

On 4/2/09 7:01 AM, "Anil M Seunath" <amseunath at atlanticlng.com> wrote:

> 
> Check the fluid reservior under the spare tire. Sounds like the hydraulic
> fluid is low. 

That is a possibility, however the first thing I would do if it were me
would be to disconnect the battery for a few minutes to allow all the
?computers?  (particularly the top sequencer) to reset themselves.

Don?t forget to have your radio code handy!


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From gstefandl at cox.net  Thu Apr  2 12:36:33 2009
From: gstefandl at cox.net (gerhard stefandl)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:36:33 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] accessing mbcoupes.com
Message-ID: <5D26A0753860452DBB769778E882C1A5@JerryPC>

It has been a while since it have been on the site, but it seems to me that you use to display isues by month, unless I'm going senile. Anyway, it seems that I can't find the site any longer. Can you please tell where I should be looking?

Thanks,
Jerry
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From satish at tummala.net  Thu Apr  2 13:32:37 2009
From: satish at tummala.net (Satish Tummala, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:32:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [R129 SL] accessing mbcoupes.com
In-Reply-To: <5D26A0753860452DBB769778E882C1A5@JerryPC>
References: <5D26A0753860452DBB769778E882C1A5@JerryPC>
Message-ID: <3511.75.119.27.143.1238693557.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com>

It's there.  The site is at:  http://www.mbcoupes.com

Regards,

Satish Tummala


> It has been a while since it have been on the site, but it seems to me
> that you use to display isues by month, unless I'm going senile. Anyway,
> it seems that I can't find the site any longer. Can you please tell where
> I should be looking?
>
> Thanks,
> JerryThe MB Coupes Website!
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From rtorchia at aol.com  Thu Apr  2 16:23:10 2009
From: rtorchia at aol.com (rtorchia at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:23:10 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] Headlight Wipers on 1997 sl500
Message-ID: <8CB81E7F9947837-1D4-227F@webmail-dh16.sysops.aol.com>

Here is a good one. I have a 1997 sl500 with 42,000 miles on it that is 
in immaculate condition (other than I need a new rear section of the 
cloth top). I rarely leave it out, but parked it at the train station 
in full view of the street. Imagine my amazement when I returned and 
saw that someone stole both my headlight wiper blades! They must have 
done it carefully because the motors are not damaged. Of course the 
blade arms cost over $80 each and to get all of the replacement parts 
with inserts will cost me over $200. Unfortunately the wiper arms are 
only available from the dealership. To me these are useless but they 
come with the car and ought to be there. So watch out where you park 
your sl!

From starfishsailor at mail.com  Fri Apr  3 07:40:07 2009
From: starfishsailor at mail.com (Jody Techlin)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:40:07 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] SL320 Soft Top Stuck Down
Message-ID: <20090403114007.75B0C326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello once again,
Last evening I tryed following the instructions for manually raising the soft top for my SL320.  When I used the factory provided open end wrentch to unlock the boot - only the passenger side of the boot released, the drivers side remains in the locked positon.  I did not have time to check the hydrolic level, hopefully I can today.  I have an appointment with Pinacle Mercedes (a local recommended independent service group) on Monday if I cannot resolve the issue before then.  Daniel suggested disconnecting the battery, but I do not have the radio codes - where / how can I get them and then how do I enter them?
Best regards, and thanks to all of you for your assistance.
Jody
1996 SL320 29k

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From seitle at whidbey.com  Mon Apr  6 14:09:46 2009
From: seitle at whidbey.com (seitle)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:09:46 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar Warning Lights
Message-ID: <FFA68D135A564B63A4E8D38ABC0DB941@rolf05we7eawlr>

 After not using my 96 SL320 for a couple of weeks, I find that both the rollbar and top warning indicators are on and both functions do not operate. I am checking hydraulic fluid level and disconnected and reconnected the battery to see if there would be a reset. No good. Anyone have a suggestion? It seems that there was a recent posting on this subject, but I cannot find it.

Rolf Seitle
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From BJonesNY at aol.com  Tue Apr  7 13:46:32 2009
From: BJonesNY at aol.com (BJonesNY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:46:32 EDT
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar Warning Lights
Message-ID: <bd8.311d3444.370ceb78@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/7/2009 12:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
r129list-request at mbcoupes.com writes:

1. Top and Rollbar Warning Lights  (seitle)
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Message:  1
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:09:46 -0700
From: "seitle"  <seitle at whidbey.com>
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar Warning  Lights
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <FFA68D135A564B63A4E8D38ABC0DB941 at rolf05we7eawlr>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

After not using my 96 SL320 for a  couple of weeks, I find that both the 
rollbar and top warning indicators are  on and both functions do not operate. I am 
checking hydraulic fluid level and  disconnected and reconnected the battery 
to see if there would be a reset. No  good. Anyone have a suggestion? It seems 
that there was a recent posting on  this subject, but I cannot find it.

Rolf Seitle
Rolf, Did you have the engine running with doors closed when you tried to  
lower the top or rollbar?  Have you tried to re-synch the windows, i.e.,  with 
the engine running, press the window down buttons together and hold  down for 
5-10 seconds after the window has retreated all the way; then raise the  
windows and hold the buttons down, etc. 
 
If the resynching of the windows doesn't achieve the results you want, you  
may have to clear the error codes in the top controller and try again.  If  the 
error codes return and lights blink, please have the codes read and post  
them here for assistance.  
 
Bob



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From starfishsailor at mail.com  Tue Apr  7 16:53:56 2009
From: starfishsailor at mail.com (Jody Techlin)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:53:56 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft top and roll bar indicator lights on
Message-ID: <20090407205356.D23BFBE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello Rolfe,
I had posted last week regarding my SL320 having both lights on and the top stuck in the down position.  I have taken the car to my trusted mechanic to have it repaired, I do not have the car or verdict yet but should in the next few days.  I will be happy to send a note to you and to this list with what I learn.  In my case this is the result of having the detailer lower the top after polishing the car, now both lights are on and the passenger side end of the boot will not lock down properly.  Originally the car did not beep or chime when motoring off, yesterday when I took the car to the mechanic the top release / up down switch both chimed and blinked three times.  Mechanic does not think this is a big deal and he does not think the detailer had anything to do with this, which I agree as the guy is truly remarkable and honest / careful as the day is long.  Hopefully the mechanic is right and it isn't a big problem.
Regards,
Jody

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From starfishsailor at mail.com  Wed Apr  8 17:23:35 2009
From: starfishsailor at mail.com (Jody Techlin)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:23:35 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft Top
	Control Unit
Message-ID: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello All,
The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer had nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped for the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to thank the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their assistance and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
Best regards,
Jody
1996 SL320, 29k
Punta Gorda, FL


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From joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz  Wed Apr  8 18:02:31 2009
From: joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz (Peter S)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:02:31 +1200
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
	TopControl Unit
References: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <005701c9b895$b6e94ab0$0601010a@newbeb1e9bcff6>

Hi Jody,

With electrical and electronic failures, the mileage has very little to do 
with the failures!  In fact in the older circuit configurations of the 
electronic 'goodies', corrosion/corrosion oxidisation, and capacitors 
'drying out' are the main causes of failures.

I actually pull apart the electronics and try to fix them.  Many of the 
older parts have discreet components (transistors, resistors, some mini 
chips etc) so I have fixed most of the parts myself (unless the vehicle is 
under a limited warranty).   At the moment, I am repairing a 'flasher unit' 
for my 1983, W123 .  While I have some spare parts for most of my Merc's, I 
like to find out the reason for failures, hence the inquisitiveness.   The 
Flasher unit has a dud transistor and a dud capacitor - just have to replace 
them and the parts cost me about 20 cents 15 years ago. A replacement 
flasher is about NZ$300.

If you have a circuit board out at all (or the auto electrician has it 
out!), spray the circuit board with CRC Zone 240.  This is good stuff and 
limits corrosion.  Note also that corrosion also occurs on plugs and 
sockets, so these also need to be maintained. True also for your fuse 
connections.

I have repaired 2 x central lock controllers - reasons for failure - 'dry 
joints' (poor soldering by the manufacturer). Cars had travelled less than 
35,000 miles!!!!  MB contract out all this stuff and Bosch do a fair bit of 
manufacturing for MB.

Note also that window switches fail as well.  There are only about 7 parts 
in each these switches, I have accumulated a lot of old ones, so I fix these 
for people if I have the exact bits - and if they are club members!  Easy to 
repair and saves a heap of $$.

So Jody, sometimes mileage has little to do with electrical and electronic 
failures as atmosphere takes it's never ending toll on metallic parts.

Well, getting colder in good old New Zealand as we are now in Autumn.  21 
degrees C, 2 days ago and now it is 8 degrees C.  Nearly time to put on a 
jersey!!!  Easter Thursday here, so a full weekend is planned with Easter 
Services and car/ motorcycle events.

Have a good one wherever you are in the world.

Regards, Peter S.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jody Techlin" <starfishsailor at mail.com>
To: "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; "SL 
LIST" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; <jimc at windwireless.net>; 
<mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; <simssj at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft 
TopControl Unit


> Hello All,
> The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's 
> roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my 
> case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so 
> happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer had 
> nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped for 
> the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network 
> it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year 
> unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are 
> using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed 
> with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to thank 
> the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their assistance 
> and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I guess 
> that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
> Best regards,
> Jody
> 1996 SL320, 29k
> Punta Gorda, FL
>
>
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From seitle at whidbey.com  Wed Apr  8 18:48:04 2009
From: seitle at whidbey.com (seitle)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:48:04 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
	TopControl Unit
References: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005701c9b895$b6e94ab0$0601010a@newbeb1e9bcff6>
Message-ID: <FB404A714DAB4687B9EFC1722AF0FC21@rolf05we7eawlr>

I second Peter! Often just connector corrosion and poor solder connections 
are the problem. Dealers and many mechanics will just throw part at the 
problem. I get lazy and sometimes use bad judgment myself. The other day I 
replaced the auxiliary water pump that provides heat during idle. The lowest 
price was just under US$200.  After I replaced the pump, I took the removed 
unit to the bench and took it apart. The pump impeller is driven by a 
magnetic coupling from the motor. The motor did not seem to be openable 
without destruction. It did however roll off the bench and drop to the 
floor. I reconnected it to a 12 Volt source and it ran and never stopped in 
24 hours of test. I now have a spare I will never need again.

Spring is finally coming to the Pacific Northwest! But I think NZ would be 
the ideal place to go between January and March! I want to consider this 
next year.

Rolf Seitle
300E, 320SL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter S" <joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz>
To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; "Deneal S" 
<deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; 
<jimc at windwireless.net>; <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; 
<simssj at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft 
TopControl Unit


> Hi Jody,
>
> With electrical and electronic failures, the mileage has very little to do
> with the failures!  In fact in the older circuit configurations of the
> electronic 'goodies', corrosion/corrosion oxidisation, and capacitors
> 'drying out' are the main causes of failures.
>
> I actually pull apart the electronics and try to fix them.  Many of the
> older parts have discreet components (transistors, resistors, some mini
> chips etc) so I have fixed most of the parts myself (unless the vehicle is
> under a limited warranty).   At the moment, I am repairing a 'flasher 
> unit'
> for my 1983, W123 .  While I have some spare parts for most of my Merc's, 
> I
> like to find out the reason for failures, hence the inquisitiveness.   The
> Flasher unit has a dud transistor and a dud capacitor - just have to 
> replace
> them and the parts cost me about 20 cents 15 years ago. A replacement
> flasher is about NZ$300.
>
> If you have a circuit board out at all (or the auto electrician has it
> out!), spray the circuit board with CRC Zone 240.  This is good stuff and
> limits corrosion.  Note also that corrosion also occurs on plugs and
> sockets, so these also need to be maintained. True also for your fuse
> connections.
>
> I have repaired 2 x central lock controllers - reasons for failure - 'dry
> joints' (poor soldering by the manufacturer). Cars had travelled less than
> 35,000 miles!!!!  MB contract out all this stuff and Bosch do a fair bit 
> of
> manufacturing for MB.
>
> Note also that window switches fail as well.  There are only about 7 parts
> in each these switches, I have accumulated a lot of old ones, so I fix 
> these
> for people if I have the exact bits - and if they are club members!  Easy 
> to
> repair and saves a heap of $$.
>
> So Jody, sometimes mileage has little to do with electrical and electronic
> failures as atmosphere takes it's never ending toll on metallic parts.
>
> Well, getting colder in good old New Zealand as we are now in Autumn.  21
> degrees C, 2 days ago and now it is 8 degrees C.  Nearly time to put on a
> jersey!!!  Easter Thursday here, so a full weekend is planned with Easter
> Services and car/ motorcycle events.
>
> Have a good one wherever you are in the world.
>
> Regards, Peter S.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jody Techlin" <starfishsailor at mail.com>
> To: "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; "SL
> LIST" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; <jimc at windwireless.net>;
> <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; <simssj at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:23 AM
> Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
> TopControl Unit
>
>
>> Hello All,
>> The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's
>> roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my
>> case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so
>> happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer had
>> nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped for
>> the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network
>> it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year
>> unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are
>> using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed
>> with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to 
>> thank
>> the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their assistance
>> and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I 
>> guess
>> that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
>> Best regards,
>> Jody
>> 1996 SL320, 29k
>> Punta Gorda, FL
>>
>>
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>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com
>>
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>


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From gperla at verizon.net  Wed Apr  8 18:54:55 2009
From: gperla at verizon.net (GLENN PERLAKOWSKI)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:54:55 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On -
 SoftTopControl Unit
References: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005701c9b895$b6e94ab0$0601010a@newbeb1e9bcff6>
	<FB404A714DAB4687B9EFC1722AF0FC21@rolf05we7eawlr>
Message-ID: <002201c9b89d$09d74950$6401a8c0@Perl>

Corosion and oxidation are the enemy regardless of mileage/condition of car.
I've have issues with the hard/soft top switch which I think are now 
resolved.

Glen
1992 500SL  92K miles






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From: "seitle" <seitle at whidbey.com>
To: "Peter S" <joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz>; "SL Mailing List" 
<r129list at mbcoupes.com>; "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; 
<jimc at windwireless.net>; <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; 
<simssj at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - 
SoftTopControl Unit


>I second Peter! Often just connector corrosion and poor solder connections 
>are the problem. Dealers and many mechanics will just throw part at the 
>problem. I get lazy and sometimes use bad judgment myself. The other day I 
>replaced the auxiliary water pump that provides heat during idle. The 
>lowest price was just under US$200.  After I replaced the pump, I took the 
>removed unit to the bench and took it apart. The pump impeller is driven by 
>a magnetic coupling from the motor. The motor did not seem to be openable 
>without destruction. It did however roll off the bench and drop to the 
>floor. I reconnected it to a 12 Volt source and it ran and never stopped in 
>24 hours of test. I now have a spare I will never need again.
>
> Spring is finally coming to the Pacific Northwest! But I think NZ would be 
> the ideal place to go between January and March! I want to consider this 
> next year.
>
> Rolf Seitle
> 300E, 320SL
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter S" <joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz>
> To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; "Deneal S" 
> <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; 
> <jimc at windwireless.net>; <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; 
> <simssj at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft 
> TopControl Unit
>
>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> With electrical and electronic failures, the mileage has very little to 
>> do
>> with the failures!  In fact in the older circuit configurations of the
>> electronic 'goodies', corrosion/corrosion oxidisation, and capacitors
>> 'drying out' are the main causes of failures.
>>
>> I actually pull apart the electronics and try to fix them.  Many of the
>> older parts have discreet components (transistors, resistors, some mini
>> chips etc) so I have fixed most of the parts myself (unless the vehicle 
>> is
>> under a limited warranty).   At the moment, I am repairing a 'flasher 
>> unit'
>> for my 1983, W123 .  While I have some spare parts for most of my Merc's, 
>> I
>> like to find out the reason for failures, hence the inquisitiveness. 
>> The
>> Flasher unit has a dud transistor and a dud capacitor - just have to 
>> replace
>> them and the parts cost me about 20 cents 15 years ago. A replacement
>> flasher is about NZ$300.
>>
>> If you have a circuit board out at all (or the auto electrician has it
>> out!), spray the circuit board with CRC Zone 240.  This is good stuff and
>> limits corrosion.  Note also that corrosion also occurs on plugs and
>> sockets, so these also need to be maintained. True also for your fuse
>> connections.
>>
>> I have repaired 2 x central lock controllers - reasons for failure - 'dry
>> joints' (poor soldering by the manufacturer). Cars had travelled less 
>> than
>> 35,000 miles!!!!  MB contract out all this stuff and Bosch do a fair bit 
>> of
>> manufacturing for MB.
>>
>> Note also that window switches fail as well.  There are only about 7 
>> parts
>> in each these switches, I have accumulated a lot of old ones, so I fix 
>> these
>> for people if I have the exact bits - and if they are club members!  Easy 
>> to
>> repair and saves a heap of $$.
>>
>> So Jody, sometimes mileage has little to do with electrical and 
>> electronic
>> failures as atmosphere takes it's never ending toll on metallic parts.
>>
>> Well, getting colder in good old New Zealand as we are now in Autumn.  21
>> degrees C, 2 days ago and now it is 8 degrees C.  Nearly time to put on a
>> jersey!!!  Easter Thursday here, so a full weekend is planned with Easter
>> Services and car/ motorcycle events.
>>
>> Have a good one wherever you are in the world.
>>
>> Regards, Peter S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jody Techlin" <starfishsailor at mail.com>
>> To: "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; "SL
>> LIST" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; <jimc at windwireless.net>;
>> <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; <simssj at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:23 AM
>> Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
>> TopControl Unit
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's
>>> roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my
>>> case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so
>>> happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer 
>>> had
>>> nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped 
>>> for
>>> the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network
>>> it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year
>>> unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are
>>> using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed
>>> with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to 
>>> thank
>>> the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their 
>>> assistance
>>> and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I 
>>> guess
>>> that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jody
>>> 1996 SL320, 29k
>>> Punta Gorda, FL
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Be Yourself @ mail.com!
>>> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses
>>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com
>>>
>>> The MB Coupes Website!
>>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>
>
>
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From joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz  Wed Apr  8 20:37:17 2009
From: joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz (Peter S)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:37:17 +1200
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
	TopControl Unit
References: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<005701c9b895$b6e94ab0$0601010a@newbeb1e9bcff6>
	<FB404A714DAB4687B9EFC1722AF0FC21@rolf05we7eawlr>
Message-ID: <007101c9b8ab$562714d0$0601010a@newbeb1e9bcff6>

Hi Rolfe,
Yes, NZ is great between January and March.  Look forward to seeing you if 
you come over, so keep in touch.  NZ has 7 x Mercedes Benz clubs  so there 
will be people and cars to see all over the country.

Even though we are small, we have 1895 Benz Velo (I think it is number 2) in 
Southwards Museum about an hour's drive South of here - number 1 is in 
Stuttgart.  The Southwards Museum is apparently the best vehicle museum in 
the Southern Hemisphere!  They have a MB Gull Wing, Micky Cohen's Gangster 
car (complete with bullet ricochets). Marlene Dietrich's Cadillac, and heaps 
of other interesting cars - some from the movies.  There is a 1929 Wurlitzer 
Theatre organ that comes out of the floor   (only 6 left in the world), and 
it is fully restored and sounds fantastic.    Have a look at the website! 
http://www.thecarmuseum.co.nz/  .

This year we have had an amazing summer, with only two larger bouts of 
precipitation.  We had gentle (but cold) rain last night and it is welcomed 
as the paddocks are dry at the moment. If we can trust the weather 
forecasters, it appears we are in for a fine Easter.

Happy Easter to all and drive safely whether you are on or off the roads.

Kind Regards, Peter S.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "seitle" <seitle at whidbey.com>
To: "Peter S" <joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz>; "SL Mailing List" 
<r129list at mbcoupes.com>; "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; 
<jimc at windwireless.net>; <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; 
<simssj at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft 
TopControl Unit


>I second Peter! Often just connector corrosion and poor solder connections 
>are the problem. Dealers and many mechanics will just throw part at the 
>problem. I get lazy and sometimes use bad judgment myself. The other day I 
>replaced the auxiliary water pump that provides heat during idle. The 
>lowest price was just under US$200.  After I replaced the pump, I took the 
>removed unit to the bench and took it apart. The pump impeller is driven by 
>a magnetic coupling from the motor. The motor did not seem to be openable 
>without destruction. It did however roll off the bench and drop to the 
>floor. I reconnected it to a 12 Volt source and it ran and never stopped in 
>24 hours of test. I now have a spare I will never need again.
>
> Spring is finally coming to the Pacific Northwest! But I think NZ would be 
> the ideal place to go between January and March! I want to consider this 
> next year.
>
> Rolf Seitle
> 300E, 320SL
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter S" <joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz>
> To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; "Deneal S" 
> <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; 
> <jimc at windwireless.net>; <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; 
> <simssj at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft 
> TopControl Unit
>
>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> With electrical and electronic failures, the mileage has very little to 
>> do
>> with the failures!  In fact in the older circuit configurations of the
>> electronic 'goodies', corrosion/corrosion oxidisation, and capacitors
>> 'drying out' are the main causes of failures.
>>
>> I actually pull apart the electronics and try to fix them.  Many of the
>> older parts have discreet components (transistors, resistors, some mini
>> chips etc) so I have fixed most of the parts myself (unless the vehicle 
>> is
>> under a limited warranty).   At the moment, I am repairing a 'flasher 
>> unit'
>> for my 1983, W123 .  While I have some spare parts for most of my Merc's, 
>> I
>> like to find out the reason for failures, hence the inquisitiveness. 
>> The
>> Flasher unit has a dud transistor and a dud capacitor - just have to 
>> replace
>> them and the parts cost me about 20 cents 15 years ago. A replacement
>> flasher is about NZ$300.
>>
>> If you have a circuit board out at all (or the auto electrician has it
>> out!), spray the circuit board with CRC Zone 240.  This is good stuff and
>> limits corrosion.  Note also that corrosion also occurs on plugs and
>> sockets, so these also need to be maintained. True also for your fuse
>> connections.
>>
>> I have repaired 2 x central lock controllers - reasons for failure - 'dry
>> joints' (poor soldering by the manufacturer). Cars had travelled less 
>> than
>> 35,000 miles!!!!  MB contract out all this stuff and Bosch do a fair bit 
>> of
>> manufacturing for MB.
>>
>> Note also that window switches fail as well.  There are only about 7 
>> parts
>> in each these switches, I have accumulated a lot of old ones, so I fix 
>> these
>> for people if I have the exact bits - and if they are club members!  Easy 
>> to
>> repair and saves a heap of $$.
>>
>> So Jody, sometimes mileage has little to do with electrical and 
>> electronic
>> failures as atmosphere takes it's never ending toll on metallic parts.
>>
>> Well, getting colder in good old New Zealand as we are now in Autumn.  21
>> degrees C, 2 days ago and now it is 8 degrees C.  Nearly time to put on a
>> jersey!!!  Easter Thursday here, so a full weekend is planned with Easter
>> Services and car/ motorcycle events.
>>
>> Have a good one wherever you are in the world.
>>
>> Regards, Peter S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jody Techlin" <starfishsailor at mail.com>
>> To: "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>; "Rolfe" <seitle at whidbey.com>; "SL
>> LIST" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>; <jimc at windwireless.net>;
>> <mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com>; <simssj at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:23 AM
>> Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
>> TopControl Unit
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's
>>> roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my
>>> case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so
>>> happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer 
>>> had
>>> nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped 
>>> for
>>> the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network
>>> it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year
>>> unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are
>>> using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed
>>> with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to 
>>> thank
>>> the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their 
>>> assistance
>>> and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I 
>>> guess
>>> that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jody
>>> 1996 SL320, 29k
>>> Punta Gorda, FL
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Be Yourself @ mail.com!
>>> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses
>>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com
>>>
>>> The MB Coupes Website!
>>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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From rob at robvonder.com  Thu Apr  9 00:31:44 2009
From: rob at robvonder.com (Rob Vonderhaar)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 00:31:44 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
	Top	Control Unit
In-Reply-To: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <2DE8297FCF695442ADD3AC01CFE611581F656A518A@VMBX103.ihostexchange.net>

Jody,
With all due respect, even the $925 seems like a lot of $$ to me. Have you considered getting a replacement unit through either eBay and/or a junkyard?

Just out of curiosity, I hopped on eBay and did a quick search for 'Mercedes soft top control' and instantly got 4 hits. One is an auction for a unit taken from a wrecked 2002 SL - it's at $200 with 2 days remaining and only one bid.  One is a used unit with a buy-it-now price of $375.  The two other listings are from BBA Remanufacturing in Massachusetts: For the same $375, you send them your control unit. They rebuild it and send it back, including a lifetime warranty.  They say they've been remanufacturing automotive electronics since 1998 and operate in six countries.

So whichever way you go, looks like you could save yourself about $550 with either a used or remanufactured part. Sure sounds better to me than paying $975 for a similar remanufactured unit with only a 1-yr warranty!  And this was just from a quick eBay search; you might well find something even better if you look a bit further.

Best regards, 
    Rob Vonderhaar
    Leesburg, VA
    1995 SL500, 85k
    2005 SL500, 7k

-----Original Message-----
From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Jody Techlin
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:24 PM
To: Deneal S; Rolfe; SL LIST; jimc at windwireless.net; mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com; simssj at gmail.com
Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft Top Control Unit

Hello All,
The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer had nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped for the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to thank the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their assistance and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
Best regards,
Jody
1996 SL320, 29k
Punta Gorda, FL


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From seitle at whidbey.com  Thu Apr  9 22:57:28 2009
From: seitle at whidbey.com (seitle)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:57:28 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar warning lights
Message-ID: <63BC2382A93440EE86299160B6EF1929@rolf05we7eawlr>

I posted on this and so did Jody. I just want to tell everyone that this problem can only be properly diagnosed with the on-line diagnostic system and the availability of a code reader and interpreter. I reported that my top and rollbar no op lights came on the other day. I visited my independent shop (Automaster II- Ernie Schmidt) today. He read the code. It was "voltage low". He reset the code and all is well. (No charge) I keep my battery on a trickle charger when the car sits for long periods, but the battery in the trunk behind the carpet valance does not get a lot of attention. After five years I may need to replace it. 

Rolf
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From pauls at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 10 10:29:38 2009
From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:29:38 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar warning lights
In-Reply-To: <63BC2382A93440EE86299160B6EF1929@rolf05we7eawlr>
References: <63BC2382A93440EE86299160B6EF1929@rolf05we7eawlr>
Message-ID: <0B3DFDD7-C2CF-42AB-9CEB-49EE206D9B47@sbcglobal.net>

Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery. My top seems slower  
lately. Where exactly may I find this battery?  1990 R129.

Thanks!

Paul

On Apr 9, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "seitle" <seitle at whidbey.com> wrote:

> I posted on this and so did Jody. I just want to tell everyone that  
> this problem can only be properly diagnosed with the on-line  
> diagnostic system and the availability of a code reader and  
> interpreter. I reported that my top and rollbar no op lights came on  
> the other day. I visited my independent shop (Automaster II- Ernie  
> Schmidt) today. He read the code. It was "voltage low". He reset the  
> code and all is well. (No charge) I keep my battery on a trickle  
> charger when the car sits for long periods, but the battery in the  
> trunk behind the carpet valance does not get a lot of attention.  
> After five years I may need to replace it.
>
> Rolf
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
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From deneals at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 10 11:30:54 2009
From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) SBC)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:30:54 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar warning lights
In-Reply-To: <0B3DFDD7-C2CF-42AB-9CEB-49EE206D9B47@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C604D05E.D3DE%deneals@sbcglobal.net>

On 4/10/09 9:29 AM, "Paul Samarin" <pauls at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery. My top seems slower lately.
> Where exactly may I find this battery?  1990 R129.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Paul

Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery either. I think there is only
one battery in the R129.  The main battery is beneath the sidewall in the
trunk.  I forget whether its the right or left side (I think passenger
side).

If you live in the USA, the best way to replace the battery is to call MBUSA
Road service and they will sell you a new battery, AND they will install it
and reset all the computers and radios for FREE.  And they come to you!

-- 
Deneal Schilmeister
1997 SL500  139k
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm


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From rob at robvonder.com  Fri Apr 10 12:47:58 2009
From: rob at robvonder.com (Rob Vonderhaar)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:47:58 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar warning lights
Message-ID: <2DE8297FCF695442ADD3AC01CFE611581F65856762@VMBX103.ihostexchange.net>

My R129 has only one battery (the one in the trunk). But my R230 does indeed have two: The trunk battery powers only the "convenience functions" while the main battery is now in front.

As far as I'm concerned this seems like a case of technology looking for a problem to solve... I guess the idea is to retain starting power even if always-on accessories drain the secondary battery. But it's just a another expensive special battery to maintain, and despite a recent replacement, I am often greeted with "convenience functions temporarily disabled" if the car hasn't been started for a day or two. No radio, seats, etc until you drive enough to bring up the charge. Seems like that secondary battery doesn't have a whole lot of capacity?

Rob

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________________________________
From: Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) SBC <deneals at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: April 10, 2009 11:29 AM
To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Top and Rollbar warning lights

On 4/10/09 9:29 AM, "Paul Samarin" <pauls at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery. My top seems slower lately. Where exactly may I find this battery?  1990 R129.

Thanks!

Paul

Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery either. I think there is only one battery in the R129.  The main battery is beneath the sidewall in the trunk.  I forget whether its the right or left side (I think passenger side).

If you live in the USA, the best way to replace the battery is to call MBUSA Road service and they will sell you a new battery, AND they will install it and reset all the computers and radios for FREE.  And they come to you!

--
Deneal Schilmeister
1997 SL500  139k
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm

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From seitle at whidbey.com  Fri Apr 10 13:20:24 2009
From: seitle at whidbey.com (seitle)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:20:24 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Battery
Message-ID: <DF37388EA94C44E9AF73C8F3A908BE97@rolf05we7eawlr>

Paul wrote:

>>>Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery. My top seems slower  
lately. Where exactly may I find this battery?  1990 R129.

Hi Paul - There is no second battery in a R-129. The single battery is located in the trunk on the right side behind a carpeted valence. The valence has a srew type fastener on the top. ( The latest (after 2003) SL's do have two batteries - one for startin and one for system. )

Rolf
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From pauls at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 10 16:01:28 2009
From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:01:28 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] Battery
In-Reply-To: <DF37388EA94C44E9AF73C8F3A908BE97@rolf05we7eawlr>
References: <DF37388EA94C44E9AF73C8F3A908BE97@rolf05we7eawlr>
Message-ID: <2C4CE777-3FF3-4CEE-A487-FD01F9B95F65@sbcglobal.net>

OK, thanks everyone.

Paul

On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:20 AM, seitle wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>
> >>>Wow. I didn't know there was a second battery. My top seems slower
> lately. Where exactly may I find this battery?  1990 R129.
>
> Hi Paul - There is no second battery in a R-129. The single battery  
> is located in the trunk on the right side behind a carpeted  
> valence. The valence has a srew type fastener on the top. ( The  
> latest (after 2003) SL's do have two batteries - one for startin  
> and one for system. )
>
> Rolf
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List

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From fouquetlapar at free.fr  Sun Apr 12 02:52:45 2009
From: fouquetlapar at free.fr (Matthias Fouquet-Lapar)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:52:45 +0200
Subject: [R129 SL] R:   Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1239293738.56630.r129list@mbcoupes.com>
References: <mailman.27.1239293738.56630.r129list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <49E18FBD.7020703@free.fr>

The problem is probably even much less costly. The soft top control unit 
has an error memory ( as have many system components). If for some 
reason the error memory is filled up, the soft-top (and rollbar which 
are a combined in a '96) will fail to operate. Simply read out the error 
codes and clear the memory. I do have the original Mercedes HHT, but 
there are cheap methods to use build a $5 error code reader or you can 
have this done at your Mercedes dealership.

There is a lot of false understanding of electronics out there and it's 
always very easy to sell a replacement unit if you are not familar with 
the car's electronics. The only reason this particular control unit 
fails is if you jump start your car - at least I heard of few cases (and 
even this does not sound logical to me). Of course selling a new 
controller will also fix the problem - but I think in 95% of the cases 
it's unnecessary, but it sure helps the dealersships and spare part 
departements.

If I were you I would follow-up with the detailer, you brought in an 
operational car and they gave you back a car which is not. I think that 
the controller failed in exactly this time-span is probably less likely 
then to win the lottery.

An alternative which is said to work (although I've never seen it work) 
is to pull fuse #8 if I call correctly for a couple of minutes to clear 
the faults, but as far as I remember the faults are stored in 
non-volatile memory

BTW - when I did read out my soft-top error's the last time they were 
about 10 random errors in memory. If you need help to build a test 
reader to need the full table of error codes, please let me know

Kind regards from Paris

- Matthias
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:23:35 -0500
> From: "Jody Techlin" <starfishsailor at mail.com>
> Subject: [R129 SL] Soft Top and Roll Bar Indicator Lights On - Soft
> 	Top	Control Unit
> To: "Deneal S" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>, Rolfe <seitle at whidbey.com>,
> 	"SL LIST" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>, jimc at windwireless.net,
> 	mercedes at mercedesmailinglist.com, simssj at gmail.com
> Message-ID: <20090408212335.4E82A47808F at ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello All,
> The mechanic called this afternoon with the reason why my 1996 SL320's roll bar light and soft top activation button light are lighted.  In my case itr is the soft top control unit which has failed.  This just so happend to coincide with when I had the car detailed but the detailer had nothing to do with the units failure.  The trusted shop I use shopped for the part, if we purchase the replacement part from the MB dealer network it is $2100; if purchasing a remanufactured unit with the same 1 year unlimited mileage warrenty the price is $925 so needless to say we are using the remanufactured unit.  I am surprised the original unit failed with so few miles on the car but age is age I guess. I would like to thank the many people (Daneal, Jim, Rolfe, SJS and others) for their assistance and advice. I was hoping the problem would be much less costly but I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Thanks again one and all.
> Best regards,
> Jody
> 1996 SL320, 29k
> Punta Gorda, FL
>
>
>   



From frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr  Sun Apr 12 03:57:06 2009
From: frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr (Frank GLASCOTT)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:57:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [R129 SL] Ride Height
Message-ID: <10306504.231228.1239523026039.JavaMail.www@wwinf1530>

Hello everybody. My 1992 300SL24 passed its two-yearly 'controle' yesterday but the mechanic pointed out an anomaly on the ride height control. Apparently, when the switch is pressed only the front of the car is raised! Any ideas out there? What exactly is the mechanism which raisesthe ride height - I assume it's hydraulic but, if so, where is the fluid reservoir? Any help gratefully received. Frank, France.
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From denisgautier.46 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 04:30:06 2009
From: denisgautier.46 at gmail.com (denis gautier)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:30:06 +0200
Subject: [R129 SL] Ride Height
In-Reply-To: <10306504.231228.1239523026039.JavaMail.www@wwinf1530>
References: <10306504.231228.1239523026039.JavaMail.www@wwinf1530>
Message-ID: <63ea357b0904120130v13c3eec6g9e0f4692b7d33a36@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody

Does somebody have an idea to dismount and clean the benzine pump.

I had a problem by running up to empty tank. I arrived 10 meters closed to
the benzine station, but I never restart. So I was obliged to pull the SL300
1990) up to my place and now, I want to fix it by cleaning filter and pump.
The car does was not moving for a while and I suppose a lost of bad dust or
else were sucked and corked the inlet filter inside the tank

Best regards
Denis Gautier
Cahors
France

2009/4/12 Frank GLASCOTT <frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr>

> Hello everybody. My 1992 300SL24 passed its two-yearly 'controle' yesterday
> but the mechanic pointed out an anomaly on the ride height control.
> Apparently, when the switch is pressed only the front of the car is raised!
> Any ideas out there? What exactly is the mechanism which raisesthe ride
> height - I assume it's hydraulic but, if so, where is the fluid reservoir?
> Any help gratefully received. Frank, France.
>
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From fouquetlapar at free.fr  Sun Apr 12 13:47:37 2009
From: fouquetlapar at free.fr (Matthias Fouquet-Lapar)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:47:37 +0200
Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 52, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1239552936.85036.r129list@mbcoupes.com>
References: <mailman.7.1239552936.85036.r129list@mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <49E22939.1010107@free.fr>

I assume your has ADS. If you mechanicly inclined, get the R129 WIS (you 
can get this directly from the dealership, it's around EUR 100). ADS is 
pretty complex system and sometimes somewhat difficult and expensive to 
fix.

As for running out of gas, I would buy a new filter element which 
mounted close to the fuel pump before trying anything else. If the car 
has been standing for a long time, you might have problems as the 
KE-Jetronik is pretty sensitive to old fuel and/or any debris. Feel free 
to send me your phone number and I'll give you a call

Kind regards

- Matthias
> Hello everybody. My 1992 300SL24 passed its two-yearly 'controle' yesterday but the mechanic pointed out an anomaly on the ride height control. Apparently, when the switch is pressed only the front of the car is raised! Any ideas out there? What exactly is the mechanism which raisesthe ride height - I assume it's hydraulic but, if so, where is the fluid reservoir? Any help gratefully received. Frank, France.
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From jasonahuja at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 23 21:48:42 2009
From: jasonahuja at hotmail.com (Jason Ahuja)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:48:42 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Ride Height
Message-ID: <COL102-W22D02D942755F89E3685C5C1720@phx.gbl>


I have a 1997 SL500 Sport with about 62,000 miles. It seems to ride about a 1/4-1/2 inch higher on the driver's side front than it does on the passenger side front. Standard suspension for sport model. I have always thought that the car rode a little too high at the front so when I get this problem fixed does anyone know of a way, using factory parts, that would lower the car? I have read somewhere that when the R129 was first introduced the front rode much lower but was raised in the USA using thicker spring pads because customers kept scraping their bumpers. Also when I look at pics of Euro-Spec cars they seem to ride lower at what I think is the right ride height. Anyone know of part numbers for factory Euro-Spec suspension?
Thanks,Jason
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From ken at equicor.net  Sun Apr 26 15:29:52 2009
From: ken at equicor.net (Ken Mabarak)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
Message-ID: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>

We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99 SL500!  Does anyone have
a clue as to how to remove the center console without breaking any clips?

 

Ken Mabarak

928.776.1900

 

 

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From satish at tummala.net  Sun Apr 26 15:39:07 2009
From: satish at tummala.net (Satish Tummala)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:39:07 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
In-Reply-To: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
References: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
Message-ID: <001501c9c6a6$aa27b6d0$fe772470$@net>

Somewhat awkward to explain.  I would take it to the dealer.  That dashwood
is $1500 to replace and it's all one piece.

 

From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Mabarak
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:30 PM
To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?

 

We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99 SL500!  Does anyone have
a clue as to how to remove the center console without breaking any clips?

 

Ken Mabarak

928.776.1900

 

 

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From joegreenistheone at msn.com  Sun Apr 26 15:40:58 2009
From: joegreenistheone at msn.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:40:58 +0000
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
In-Reply-To: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
References: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV825AC882CE666107B739AD9700@phx.gbl>

Try taking out the cassette holder. It should be fairly simple
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Mabarak" <ken at equicor.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?


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From satish at tummala.net  Sun Apr 26 17:22:46 2009
From: satish at tummala.net (Satish Tummala)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:22:46 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV825AC882CE666107B739AD9700@phx.gbl>
References: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
	<BAY113-DAV825AC882CE666107B739AD9700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002101c9c6b5$252d5d40$6f8817c0$@net>

There's no cassette holder in a '99.  Completely different since '96

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:41 PM
To: SL Mailing List
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?

Try taking out the cassette holder. It should be fairly simple
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Mabarak" <ken at equicor.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?


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From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl  Sun Apr 26 17:31:47 2009
From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:31:47 +0200
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
In-Reply-To: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
Message-ID: <24E9FD120FCB490AAC234667F0F6B94F@medion1>

I send you drawings and movie to privat address
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Aan: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Onderwerp: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?



We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99 SL500!  Does anyone
have a clue as to how to remove the center console without breaking any
clips?

 

Ken Mabarak

928.776.1900

 

 

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From ken at equicor.net  Mon Apr 27 01:54:41 2009
From: ken at equicor.net (Ken Mabarak)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:54:41 -0700
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
In-Reply-To: <24E9FD120FCB490AAC234667F0F6B94F@medion1>
Message-ID: <5B68BAF20C114BEF9AB41D072A2560A4@TRAVEL>

Thank you everyone for your helpful responses.  With your assistance, I was
able to retrieve the item and reassemble the console with no damage.

 

Ken Mabarak

928.776.1900

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Jan Kuylaars
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:32 PM
To: 'SL Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?

 

I send you drawings and movie to privat address

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Verzonden: zondag 26 april 2009 21:30
Aan: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Onderwerp: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?

We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99 SL500!  Does anyone have
a clue as to how to remove the center console without breaking any clips?

 

Ken Mabarak

928.776.1900

 

 

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From deneals at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 27 12:38:28 2009
From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) SBC)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:38:28 -0500
Subject: [R129 SL] Taillight lens
In-Reply-To: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
Message-ID: <C61B49B4.E07F%deneals@sbcglobal.net>

Don?t ask me why, but I need a driver?s side Tail light lens for a 1997
SL500.

Where is the best place to find one? Ebay? Rusty?

Anybody have extras after updating their SL with the newer curved lenses?

Thanks


-- 
Deneal Schilmeister
1997 SL500  139k
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From markusfmeyer at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 27 12:47:33 2009
From: markusfmeyer at hotmail.com (Markus Meyer)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:47:33 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] Taillight lens
In-Reply-To: <C61B49B4.E07F%deneals@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4@TRAVEL>
	<C61B49B4.E07F%deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W2BE091A405D57B7F87743DC710@phx.gbl>


Ebay, Benzworld.com, Peachparts.com, craigslist.com are all great resources.

Markus Meyer 
484-919-9762 
www.meyerprobateproperties.com


 


Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:38:28 -0500
From: deneals at sbcglobal.net
To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [R129 SL] Taillight lens

Don?t ask me why, but I need a driver?s side Tail light lens for a 1997 SL500.

Where is the best place to find one? Ebay? Rusty?

Anybody have extras after updating their SL with the newer curved lenses?

Thanks


-- 
Deneal Schilmeister
1997 SL500  139k
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm



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From RLinsdell at aol.com  Tue Apr 28 21:06:12 2009
From: RLinsdell at aol.com (RLinsdell at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:06:12 EDT
Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 52, Issue 11
Message-ID: <c12.536c4622.37290204@aol.com>

Jan please could you send me the movie as well, I will need to take mine  
off in the future and would like this movie to help me. Whilst we are on the  
subject of the interior anyone have a solution for the plastic surround 
which  the mirror sticks out of - for when it goes sticky with age. Mine is 
lowering  the tone of my fairly good quality interior. Mine is Cream.
Thanks all
Robert
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. SL500  Center console removal - How do you do it? (Ken Mabarak)
2.  Re: SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
(Satish Tummala)
3. Re: SL500 Center console removal - How do  you do it? (Joe)
4. Re: SL500 Center console removal - How do  you do it?
(Satish Tummala)
5. Re:  SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?
(Jan  Kuylaars)
6. Re: SL500 Center console removal - How do you do  it? (Ken  Mabarak)


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Message:  1
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 -0700
From: "Ken Mabarak"  <ken at equicor.net>
Subject: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal -  How do you do it?
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <3BDC7F3BD6EF41A6BE21B56DC26685F4 at TRAVEL>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99  SL500!  Does anyone have
a clue as to how to remove the center console  without breaking any clips?



Ken  Mabarak

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:39:07 -0400
From: "Satish Tummala"  <satish at tummala.net>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console  removal - How do you do
it?
To: "'SL Mailing List'"  <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

Somewhat awkward to explain.  I would take it  to the dealer.  That dashwood
is $1500 to replace and it's all one  piece.



From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com  [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Mabarak
Sent:  Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:30 PM
To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [R129  SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?



We dropped  something behind the ashtray in our '99 SL500!  Does anyone have
a  clue as to how to remove the center console without breaking any  clips?



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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:40:58 +0000
From: "Joe"  <joegreenistheone at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center  console removal - How do you do
it?
To: "SL Mailing List"  <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <BAY113-DAV825AC882CE666107B739AD9700 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type:  text/plain

Try taking out the cassette holder. It should be fairly  simple
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original  Message-----
From: "Ken Mabarak" <ken at equicor.net>

Date: Sun,  26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: [R129  SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?


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Message:  4
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:22:46 -0400
From: "Satish Tummala"  <satish at tummala.net>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console  removal - How do you do
it?
To:  <joegreenistheone at msn.com>,    "'SL Mailing List'"
<r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <002101c9c6b5$252d5d40$6f8817c0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="US-ASCII"

There's no cassette holder in a '99.   Completely different since '96

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From:  r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On  Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:41 PM
To: SL Mailing  List
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do  it?

Try taking out the cassette holder. It should be fairly  simple
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original  Message-----
From: "Ken Mabarak" <ken at equicor.net>

Date: Sun,  26 Apr 2009 12:29:52 
To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: [R129  SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?


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Message:  5
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:31:47 +0200
From: "Jan Kuylaars"  <J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console  removal - How do you do
it?
To: "'SL Mailing List'"  <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:  <24E9FD120FCB490AAC234667F0F6B94F at medion1>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

I send you drawings and movie to privat  address
Flying dutchmen


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Aan:  r129list at mbcoupes.com
Onderwerp: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal -  How do you do it?



We dropped something behind the ashtray in  our '99 SL500!  Does anyone
have a clue as to how to remove the center  console without breaking any
clips?



Ken  Mabarak

928.776.1900





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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:54:41 -0700
From: "Ken Mabarak"  <ken at equicor.net>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal  - How do you do
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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses.   With your assistance, I was
able to retrieve the item and reassemble the  console with no damage.



Ken  Mabarak

928.776.1900





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From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com  [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Jan Kuylaars
Sent:  Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:32 PM
To: 'SL Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [R129  SL] SL500 Center console removal - How do you do it?



I send you  drawings and movie to privat address

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Verzonden: zondag 26 april 2009 21:30
Aan:  r129list at mbcoupes.com
Onderwerp: [R129 SL] SL500 Center console removal -  How do you do it?

We dropped something behind the ashtray in our '99  SL500!  Does anyone have
a clue as to how to remove the center console  without breaking any clips?



Ken  Mabarak

928.776.1900





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From jennianenterprises at verizon.net  Wed Apr 29 15:49:21 2009
From: jennianenterprises at verizon.net (william hughes)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:49:21 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
Message-ID: <49F8AF41.3090702@verizon.net>

suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
idle was fine.
when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
accelleration.
never any problems before - any thoughts?????

From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl  Wed Apr 29 17:28:57 2009
From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:28:57 +0200
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <49F8AF41.3090702@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EEE1ED28EC544B7B994A3C4E2170B047@medion1>

Fill up your fueltank, it could be that there is come a vacuum so the
fuelpump cannot give enough fuel to give enough pressure on the
injectors , and the power drops down.
I had it some times, and if a loose the fueltank cap, the air is sissing
in, so i believe the airpipe from the fueltank is not open.

Otherwise there can be a leakkage of oil, or the filter in the
transmission is blocked.


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens william hughes
Verzonden: woensdag 29 april 2009 21:49
Aan: r129list at mbcoupes.com
Onderwerp: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION


suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was hesitating
- almost feeling like it would stall when in gear - idle was fine. when
starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps into gear
- races again then shifts - but very little power or 
accelleration.
never any problems before - any thoughts?????
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R129 SL Mailing List
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From joegreenistheone at msn.com  Wed Apr 29 17:52:16 2009
From: joegreenistheone at msn.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:52:16 +0000
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl>

Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage. Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning. 
------Original Message------
From: william hughes
Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM

suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
idle was fine.
when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
accelleration.
never any problems before - any thoughts?????
The MB Coupes Website!
R129 SL Mailing List


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From blueridgemb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 18:12:28 2009
From: blueridgemb at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:12:28 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com>

The 95 is still the 722.3, so not much in the way of electronic controls 
or LHM as far as the AT is concerned...

Have you verified fluid levels?  When was trans serviced last?


Jonathan

Joe wrote:
> Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage. Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: william hughes
> Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
> ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
> Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
> Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM
>
> suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
> while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
> hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
> idle was fine.
> when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
> into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
> accelleration.
> never any problems before - any thoughts?????
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>   


-- 
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www.blueridgemb.com
Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.
96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE 
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
87 Hammer 6.0L 32V
86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V


From satish at tummala.net  Wed Apr 29 19:11:27 2009
From: satish at tummala.net (Satish Tummala)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:11:27 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com>
References: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl>
	<49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c9c91f$d2fa7bd0$78ef7370$@net>

Probably the throttle motor

-----Original Message-----
From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:12 PM
To: joegreenistheone at msn.com; SL Mailing List
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION

The 95 is still the 722.3, so not much in the way of electronic controls 
or LHM as far as the AT is concerned...

Have you verified fluid levels?  When was trans serviced last?


Jonathan

Joe wrote:
> Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce
engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage.
Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: william hughes
> Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
> ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
> Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
> Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM
>
> suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
> while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
> hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
> idle was fine.
> when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
> into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
> accelleration.
> never any problems before - any thoughts?????
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>   


-- 
Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East
www.blueridgemb.com
Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.
96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE 
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
87 Hammer 6.0L 32V
86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V

The MB Coupes Website!
R129 SL Mailing List


From joegreenistheone at msn.com  Wed Apr 29 19:38:28 2009
From: joegreenistheone at msn.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:38:28 +0000
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <001e01c9c91f$d2fa7bd0$78ef7370$@net>
References: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl><49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com><001e01c9c91f$d2fa7bd0$78ef7370$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV60D5F12BEE0D1E403579CD96F0@phx.gbl>

That eventually ended up being the issue I had. Be thankful you only have one throttle accuator
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:11:27 
To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>; 'SL Mailing List'<r129list at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION


Probably the throttle motor

-----Original Message-----
From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:12 PM
To: joegreenistheone at msn.com; SL Mailing List
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION

The 95 is still the 722.3, so not much in the way of electronic controls 
or LHM as far as the AT is concerned...

Have you verified fluid levels?  When was trans serviced last?


Jonathan

Joe wrote:
> Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce
engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage.
Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: william hughes
> Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
> ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
> Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
> Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM
>
> suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
> while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
> hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
> idle was fine.
> when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
> into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
> accelleration.
> never any problems before - any thoughts?????
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
>   


-- 
Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East
www.blueridgemb.com
Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.
96 S600 Euro
91 560SEC ECE (for sale)
91 560 SEC Undergoing TT/GT28 conversion
88 300E AMG
89 190E 2.6 5sp (Mosselman TT waiting..)
89 300TE 
88 560SEC AMG Euro ECE (parts)
89 560SEC AMG solid lifter 7K RPM Conv.
87 Hammer 6.0L 32V
86 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V

The MB Coupes Website!
R129 SL Mailing List

The MB Coupes Website!
R129 SL Mailing List

From jennianenterprises at verizon.net  Thu Apr 30 08:12:41 2009
From: jennianenterprises at verizon.net (william hughes)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:12:41 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV60D5F12BEE0D1E403579CD96F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl><49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com><001e01c9c91f$d2fa7bd0$78ef7370$@net>
	<BAY113-DAV60D5F12BEE0D1E403579CD96F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49F995B9.5070906@verizon.net>

never any issues with the transmission.
the problem started literally as i was driving along
a city street - as the power cut back i pulled off the road.
i did manage to get home - about 5 miles or so


Joe wrote:
> That eventually ended up being the issue I had. Be thankful you only have one throttle accuator
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:11:27 
> To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>; 'SL Mailing List'<r129list at mbcoupes.com>
> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>
>
> Probably the throttle motor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
> On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:12 PM
> To: joegreenistheone at msn.com; SL Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>
> The 95 is still the 722.3, so not much in the way of electronic controls 
> or LHM as far as the AT is concerned...
>
> Have you verified fluid levels?  When was trans serviced last?
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> Joe wrote:
>   
>> Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce
>>     
> engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage.
> Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning. 
>   
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: william hughes
>> Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
>> ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
>> Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>> Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM
>>
>> suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
>> while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
>> hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
>> idle was fine.
>> when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
>> into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or 
>> accelleration.
>> never any problems before - any thoughts?????
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
>   

From jhodgman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:55:32 2009
From: jhodgman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodgman)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:55:32 -0400
Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
In-Reply-To: <49F995B9.5070906@verizon.net>
References: <BAY113-DAV3FA264BB2D9B7D8259D8ED96F0@phx.gbl>
	<49F8D0CC.6060107@gmail.com> <001e01c9c91f$d2fa7bd0$78ef7370$@net>
	<BAY113-DAV60D5F12BEE0D1E403579CD96F0@phx.gbl>
	<49F995B9.5070906@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1d2f90170904300555m1a42aa60yb7006d963082b39b@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, I thought you were stating your transmission was having issues IYO.

That aside, ETA has quite likely died as stated prior, I'm surprised you
don't have a CEL..I'll wager there are codes stored in the system though.

Has your harness been repalced?  If not I'd plan on getting one alone w/
your new (reman) ETA.

Jonathan

Blue Ridge Mercedes/AMG East
Offering Enthusiast Service, Restoration and Tuning.
Located in the Greater Atlanta area.
http://www.blueridgemb.com
404 805 1357

1996 S600 Euro
1991 560SEC  Euro ECE
1991 560SEC GT28 Conversion
1990 500SL Japan
1989 190E 2.6 factory 5sp
1989 560SEC ECE AMG Japan
1989 560SEC AMG Solid Lifter/6800rpm
1988 300TE
1987 300E AMG
1986 560SEL AMG 6.0L 32V
1986 AMG Hammer 6.0L 32V
2006 Z4 3.0Si M spec 6sp


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:12 AM, william hughes <
jennianenterprises at verizon.net> wrote:

> never any issues with the transmission.
> the problem started literally as i was driving along
> a city street - as the power cut back i pulled off the road.
> i did manage to get home - about 5 miles or so
>
>
>
> Joe wrote:
>
>> That eventually ended up being the issue I had. Be thankful you only have
>> one throttle accuator
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:11:27 To: <jhodgman at gmail.com>; 'SL Mailing
>> List'<r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>>
>>
>> Probably the throttle motor
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodgman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:12 PM
>> To: joegreenistheone at msn.com; SL Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>>
>> The 95 is still the 722.3, so not much in the way of electronic controls
>> or LHM as far as the AT is concerned...
>>
>> Have you verified fluid levels?  When was trans serviced last?
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Limp mode. Cpu boards that manage the drive by wire system can reduce
>>>
>>>
>> engine output and basically shut tranny down to avoid further damage.
>> Generally dash board light come on to give you a warning.
>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: william hughes
>>> Sender: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>>> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
>>> ReplyTo: SL Mailing List
>>> Subject: [R129 SL] TRANSMISSION
>>> Sent: Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM
>>>
>>> suddenly my 1995 sl500 developed a transmission problem?
>>> while driving i felt a lack of power - pulled over engine was
>>> hesitating - almost feeling like it would stall when in gear -
>>> idle was fine.
>>> when starting from a stop, almost no power - engine races and slaps
>>> into gear - races again then shifts - but very little power or
>>> accelleration.
>>> never any problems before - any thoughts?????
>>> The MB Coupes Website!
>>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> The MB Coupes Website!
>>> R129 SL Mailing List
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> R129 SL Mailing List
>
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