From grwdew at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 1 21:31:44 2008 From: grwdew at bellsouth.net (Gail & Doug Wolvington) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:31:44 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 References: Message-ID: <47E7FCC4A1144762B27A7901635BBC48@D4HZHVC1> I am so very sorry, I try and do better next time Gail & Doug Wolvington grwdew at bellsouth.net Bossier City, LA -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1477 - Release Date: 6/1/2008 5:28 PM From gjenner at nc.rr.com Tue Jun 3 15:36:07 2008 From: gjenner at nc.rr.com (George Jenner) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:36:07 -0400 Subject: [R129 SL] Suspension Warning Lamp will not go off Message-ID: <000401c8c5b1$121bbc70$36533550$@rr.com> For the past month or so I have had a warning lamp on the dash panel trying to tell me something..?? This warning lamp is located just to the right of the steering column and looks like a shock absorber with up and down arrows on either side. My Benz is a 1996 model with ADS and body height controls on the far left side of the dash. I have checked the oil fluid level under the hood and it appears it is not low. The oil reservoir is located next to the windshield washer fluid reservoir on the right front in the engine compartment. Does anyone out there have a clue.I sure don't. Keeping those r129s on the go. George Jenner E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.09960 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr Wed Jun 4 08:38:22 2008 From: frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr (Frank GLASCOTT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:38:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [R129 SL] Suspension Warning Lamp will not go off Message-ID: <2310528.3489201212583102898.JavaMail.www@wwinf2610> Hi George. I had the same issue on my 1992 300SL24. I assume you know that if the battery has been disconnected for any reason you have to turn the steering wheel from full lock to full lock before the warning light will extingish. If that fails, you may have a sensor problem as I did. Mine was replaced in France for about 500 euros (i can let you have exact details, part number, exact price etc. when I return to France next week if you need them). Good Luck. Frank Glascott > Message du 03/06/08 21:35 > De : "George Jenner" > A : "'SL Mailing List'" > Copie ? : > Objet : [R129 SL] Suspension Warning Lamp will not go off > > For the past month or so I have had a warning lamp on the dash panel trying to tell me something???? This warning lamp is located just to the right of the steering column and looks like a shock absorber with up and down arrows on either side. My Benz is a 1996 model with ADS and body height controls on the far left side of the dash. I have checked the oil fluid level under the hood and it appears it is not low. The oil reservoir is located next to the windshield washer fluid reservoir on the right front in the engine compartment. Does anyone out there have a clue?I sure don?t. Keeping those r129s on the go. George Jenner > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) > Database version: 5.09960 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (0.0 Ko) ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjenner at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 5 15:01:32 2008 From: gjenner at nc.rr.com (George Jenner) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:01:32 -0400 Subject: [R129 SL] Suspension Warning Lamp will not go off In-Reply-To: <2310528.3489201212583102898.JavaMail.www@wwinf2610> References: <2310528.3489201212583102898.JavaMail.www@wwinf2610> Message-ID: <001401c8c73e$91ec6e70$b5c54b50$@rr.com> Thanks Frank, I did not have the battery disconnected but when the problem first occurred I was successful getting the warning lamp off by cycling the steering from lock to lock. But now that trick does not bring the same results. I did find that the oil tank for the suspension was over full by a good amount so I siphoned off the excess until the dip stick read in the safe zone. Now when I start up there are occasions when the lamp stays out. When this occurs I have full control of the chassis height system and can set the height to any desired height within range. On those occasions when the lamp stays or comes on I am completely locked out of the chassis height adjustment system. I wonder if there is enough foreign material in the oil throughout the system to cause intermittent operation. Happy motoring, George E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.09990 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Frank GLASCOTT" Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Suspension Warning Lamp will not go off Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:38:22 -0400 Size: 8575 Url: From Oldbenz1 at aol.com Sat Jun 14 15:36:53 2008 From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com (Oldbenz1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:36:53 EDT Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Message-ID: My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 14 16:02:54 2008 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:02:54 -0700 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2283A242-A1A9-4154-999A-35CDAAF17E98@sbcglobal.net> This *may* be a very serious problem, so until you get further info from this group or elsewhere, I think you shouldn't drive the car. With my previous car, a 1986 560 SEC, I was on the other list which is a part of this group (mbcoupes.com.) Over there they warned very strongly about this problem. Right now, while it's working and you are able to turn the key all the way off, the ignition tumbler is very easy to replace. If it fails and gets stuck before you replace it, the entire dash must be disassembled and the cost is quite severe. Replacing the tumbler doesn't change the key, by the way, so don't worry about the other locks. That's all I know, but I wanted to get a note out to you before you go any further. I hope someone more informed will chime in with more details. Good luck, Paul '90 500 SL Long Beach, CA On Jun 14, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Oldbenz1 at aol.com wrote: > My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the > ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the > extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving > the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, > nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a > lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able > to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the > ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A > shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone > had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace > the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks > as well resulting in a major expense. > > > > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorio at weststargroup.net Sat Jun 14 16:33:01 2008 From: gregorio at weststargroup.net (gregorio at weststargroup.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem References: Message-ID: <003501c8ce5d$d7715bb0$0a00a8c0@GROUCHO> I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wadlowchris at hotmail.com Sun Jun 15 01:55:49 2008 From: wadlowchris at hotmail.com (chris wadlow) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:55:49 +0000 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: <003501c8ce5d$d7715bb0$0a00a8c0@GROUCHO> References: <003501c8ce5d$d7715bb0$0a00a8c0@GROUCHO> Message-ID: Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time. Chris Wadlow From: gregorio at weststargroup.netTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. The MB Coupes Website!R129 SL Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grwdew at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 15 22:52:08 2008 From: grwdew at bellsouth.net (Gail & Doug Wolvington) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:52:08 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL Message-ID: <4C8608D34343410D999B0B39C49DAC4D@D4HZHVC1> I am have a situation with my drivers seat, once it is moved back to fit my 6' husband, my seat can not be moved up to adjust to my short 5'2". My husband can remove the bottom portion of drivers seat & work the right side of the gear to move my seat to fit me. WHAT A PAIN and I find myself not driving my SL! Does anyone have any suggestions while I can find a motor--without going to the dealership? I read some place to tap it with a hammer and it might start working. I think my car had gotten pretty wet prior to my 2 month ownership (we have discovered water coming in around window driver & passenger with soft top, we think we have gotten windows & doors adjusted....we'll see when we have our next heavy rain in Bossier City, Louisiana.) Needless to say, I have found several little quirks with the new love of my life. Any suggestions and help is greatly appreciated! Gail Wolvington grwdew at bellsouth.net Bossier City, Louisiana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM From grwdew at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 15 22:57:12 2008 From: grwdew at bellsouth.net (Gail & Doug Wolvington) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:57:12 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 41, Issue 5 References: Message-ID: <3D7E156DCFFD4A60BB532AE251E95E01@D4HZHVC1> Hey guys, Check the electrical part of the ignition switch.......dealership can get one to fit, so you can use the same key. Gail Wolvington grwdew at bellsouth.net Bossier City, Louisiana -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM From mid-co at ix.netcom.com Mon Jun 16 00:17:30 2008 From: mid-co at ix.netcom.com (mid-co) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:17:30 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL In-Reply-To: <4C8608D34343410D999B0B39C49DAC4D@D4HZHVC1> References: <4C8608D34343410D999B0B39C49DAC4D@D4HZHVC1> Message-ID: <5099337D4E0C4F9FBB92414CF9BF11FB@AndrewPC> The way you've described your "seat won't move forward" issue , it's possible it may be the seat control switch ( on the door) , and not necessarily in the seat itself. You might have a independent tech check out the switch before going forward with a seat removal. Hope this helps. Bruce in Nashville '95 SL-500 & several Corvettes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From D.Ball at psychology.org.au Mon Jun 16 00:54:55 2008 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au (Damian Ball) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:54:55 +1000 Subject: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL References: <4C8608D34343410D999B0B39C49DAC4D@D4HZHVC1> <5099337D4E0C4F9FBB92414CF9BF11FB@AndrewPC> Message-ID: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D510@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> On my 91 there are multiple fuses for the seats. I'm not sure how they're divided, but it might pay to double check them before spending big bucks on it. I know it's a long shot given it only seems to be one motor, it could be switch also i haven't looked at the back of the seat switch cluster, but you should be able to easily bypass it to check if the motor still works. DB From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of mid-co Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 2:18 PM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL The way you've described your "seat won't move forward" issue , it's possible it may be the seat control switch ( on the door) , and not necessarily in the seat itself. You might have a independent tech check out the switch before going forward with a seat removal. Hope this helps. Bruce in Nashville '95 SL-500 & several Corvettes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Mon Jun 16 08:30:48 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:30:48 +0200 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c8cfac$ce986ec0$0202a8c0@medion1> You must try it with graphite powder ( that is what is used for the black center in pencils to write on the paper). You can buy it in a can with a small outlet so you can blow the powder inside the lock. Never use oil inside a lock.!!! If this wil not help after a few blows you must replace the lock cylinder. You can order the original by the dealer , so you do not have to change all the locks. But do not wait to long !!! If you cannot remove the key, they must brake all defect : the cylinder - the housing -drill out the saftybolts and still need to replace all the stuff, including a part between the lock and the ingnition switch. If you can take off the key, they can easly take out the main cylinder and repalce it for a service cylinder while they order the original cylinder. They will tell you that allso the part between the cylinder and the switch must be replaced, but why can they easely change the service cylinder alone? I have a cylinder for 5 years (100$) laying in my dashboard cabinet. I fixed the lock with grpahite powder. Flying Dutchman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Oldbenz1 at aol.com Verzonden: zaterdag 14 juni 2008 21:37 Aan: r129list at mbcoupes.com Onderwerp: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Mon Jun 16 08:43:22 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c8cfae$90383140$0202a8c0@medion1> Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlow Verzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56 Aan: SL Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time. Chris Wadlow _____ From: gregorio at weststargroup.net To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 . _____ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List _____ Get Started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Mon Jun 16 10:49:43 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:49:43 +0200 Subject: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL In-Reply-To: <4C8608D34343410D999B0B39C49DAC4D@D4HZHVC1> Message-ID: <004b01c8cfc0$367e5aa0$0202a8c0@medion1> Gail. There are 5 motors in your seat. 1=for forward and backwards seat 2=for up and down front side of seat 3=for up and down back side of seat 4= for forward and backwards backrest 5=for up and down headrest 50% of the motors from the driver seat are fused with the other 50% of the passenger seat, so there are 2 fuses , but divided in seats. If the motor is running one way, it also should running the other way , because only the current is reversed. So if the motors are working in one direction, they are not defect!. But under your seat is the electronic switchboard with relay's which are reversing the current. If the motor is not willing to go the other direction, probably the contact point of the relay's are corroded by the moister, or the cupper printed wire is corroded and doesn't exist anymore. So take off the seat by loosen the long Philips screws at the front under the seat , pull them out the sockets and pull the seat forward to the steer. Take of the seat and under there you can see the black plastic box within the electric switches ( relay) . Make a marking of the connectors and take them off , put out the electronic board and look at the contact points and the printed circuit. Clean the printed circuit from moister and corrosion and if necessary weld the missing wire's with new. Take a sandpaper and clean the contacts from the relay. If everything is ok you can put the pc board back in the cleaned house and connect the plugs. Control the fuses in the fuse box under the motor hood and replace, the best is to replace them all at the same time because your car is old enough to need it. It costs only a few box and you will not have electronic problems for the next years by intermitted fuses. If there is twice power on the box ( you can measure with bulb or dc volt ) you can check every relay. If you put it down with your finger, a motor should react with turning. After my vacation I can send you drawings about the seats if you send your e-mail address to j.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Flying Dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Gail & Doug Wolvington Verzonden: maandag 16 juni 2008 4:52 Aan: r129list at mbcoupes.com Onderwerp: [R129 SL] Left seat motor for my 1991 300SL I am have a situation with my drivers seat, once it is moved back to fit my 6' husband, my seat can not be moved up to adjust to my short 5'2". My husband can remove the bottom portion of drivers seat & work the right side of the gear to move my seat to fit me. WHAT A PAIN and I find myself not driving my SL! Does anyone have any suggestions while I can find a motor--without going to the dealership? I read some place to tap it with a hammer and it might start working. I think my car had gotten pretty wet prior to my 2 month ownership (we have discovered water coming in around window driver & passenger with soft top, we think we have gotten windows & doors adjusted....we'll see when we have our next heavy rain in Bossier City, Louisiana.) Needless to say, I have found several little quirks with the new love of my life. Any suggestions and help is greatly appreciated! Gail Wolvington grwdew at bellsouth.net Bossier City, Louisiana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wadlowchris at hotmail.com Mon Jun 16 13:54:30 2008 From: wadlowchris at hotmail.com (chris wadlow) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:54:30 +0000 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Message-ID: Hi Jan, Thanks for the advice. I am pleased to say I have retrieved the keys without damaging the car. Just in case anyone else has this problem I will explain how I managed to do this. I manually raised the hood (as described in the drivers manual). This gave access to the soft top well. The hinges for the well cover come through two holes in the bulkhead, one each side, between the boot and the soft top well (about 2cm by 4cm). I strapped a small web cam to a long screw driver and slid it into the boot on one side through a hinge hole and fixed up a car bulb on a stiff wire and pushed it in through the other hinge hole. I could now see inside the boot and eventually located the keys after poking around in the rubbish with a variety of pieces of bent wire, copper brake pipe material and magnets on bendy shafts I managed to position the keys directly under one of the hinge holes. I then used a hook on a piece of string to catch the keys and bring them out through the hinge hole. I dropped the keys many times during the operation and the whole job took about 5 or 6 hours but what else is there to do on a sunny sunday when you cant drive your SL. I was very pleased not to have damaged the car and of course the next thing I must do is get another spare key made !!!! Regards Chris Wadlow. From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nlTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comDate: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlowVerzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56Aan: SL Mailing ListOnderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problemHi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time.Chris Wadlow From: gregorio at weststargroup.netTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. The MB Coupes Website!R129 SL Mailing List Get Started! _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mid-co at ix.netcom.com Mon Jun 16 14:00:58 2008 From: mid-co at ix.netcom.com (mid-co) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:00:58 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats ! You prevailed , with great ingenuity !! Bruce in Nashville. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From D.Ball at psychology.org.au Mon Jun 16 19:05:00 2008 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au (Damian Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:05:00 +1000 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem References: Message-ID: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D570@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Chris, You have outdone yourself with your ingenuity and I'm very impressed! If it's ok with you I'll post this on the Aussie R129 forum because I'm so impressed! Damian. From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of chris wadlow Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 3:55 AM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi Jan, Thanks for the advice. I am pleased to say I have retrieved the keys without damaging the car. Just in case anyone else has this problem I will explain how I managed to do this. I manually raised the hood (as described in the drivers manual). This gave access to the soft top well. The hinges for the well cover come through two holes in the bulkhead, one each side, between the boot and the soft top well (about 2cm by 4cm). I strapped a small web cam to a long screw driver and slid it into the boot on one side through a hinge hole and fixed up a car bulb on a stiff wire and pushed it in through the other hinge hole. I could now see inside the boot and eventually located the keys after poking around in the rubbish with a variety of pieces of bent wire, copper brake pipe material and magnets on bendy shafts I managed to position the keys directly under one of the hinge holes. I then used a hook on a piece of string to catch the keys and bring them out through the hinge hole. I dropped the keys many times during the operation and the whole job took about 5 or 6 hours but what else is there to do on a sunny sunday when you cant drive your SL. I was very pleased not to have damaged the car and of course the next thing I must do is get another spare key made !!!! Regards Chris Wadlow. ________________________________ From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlow Verzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56 Aan: SL Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time. Chris Wadlow ________________________________ From: gregorio at weststargroup.net To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. ________________________________ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 . ________________________________ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List ________________________________ Get Started! ________________________________ Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wadlowchris at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 01:54:42 2008 From: wadlowchris at hotmail.com (chris wadlow) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:54:42 +0000 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem In-Reply-To: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D570@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> References: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D570@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Message-ID: Hi Damian Go ahead and publish it where ever you think it might help or amuse. I must admit that although I feel a certain satisfaction at having recovered the keys without damage I do feel a little stupid at having owned the car for 5yrs without getting a spare key and also alowing the central locking fault to go uncorrected. My wife was quite sure that the whole episode was due to my own stupidity and she preferred to listen to the 20/20 cricket commentry rather than to my account of the keys retreval. I think she probably has a point. Regards Chris. Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:05:00 +1000From: D.Ball at psychology.org.auTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris, You have outdone yourself with your ingenuity and I?m very impressed! If it?s ok with you I?ll post this on the Aussie R129 forum because I?m so impressed! Damian. From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of chris wadlowSent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 3:55 AMTo: SL Mailing ListSubject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi Jan, Thanks for the advice. I am pleased to say I have retrieved the keys without damaging the car. Just in case anyone else has this problem I will explain how I managed to do this. I manually raised the hood (as described in the drivers manual). This gave access to the soft top well. The hinges for the well cover come through two holes in the bulkhead, one each side, between the boot and the soft top well (about 2cm by 4cm). I strapped a small web cam to a long screw driver and slid it into the boot on one side through a hinge hole and fixed up a car bulb on a stiff wire and pushed it in through the other hinge hole. I could now see inside the boot and eventually located the keys after poking around in the rubbish with a variety of pieces of bent wire, copper brake pipe material and magnets on bendy shafts I managed to position the keys directly under one of the hinge holes. I then used a hook on a piece of string to catch the keys and bring them out through the hinge hole. I dropped the keys many times during the operation and the whole job took about 5 or 6 hours but what else is there to do on a sunny sunday when you cant drive your SL. I was very pleased not to have damaged the car and of course the next thing I must do is get another spare key made !!!! Regards Chris Wadlow. From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nlTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comDate: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlowVerzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56Aan: SL Mailing ListOnderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time.Chris Wadlow From: gregorio at weststargroup.netTo: r129list at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. The MB Coupes Website!R129 SL Mailing List Get Started! Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From D.Ball at psychology.org.au Tue Jun 17 01:58:38 2008 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au (Damian Ball) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:58:38 +1000 Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem References: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D570@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Message-ID: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208D622@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Thanks Chris. Well done again! From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of chris wadlow Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 3:55 PM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi Damian Go ahead and publish it where ever you think it might help or amuse. I must admit that although I feel a certain satisfaction at having recovered the keys without damage I do feel a little stupid at having owned the car for 5yrs without getting a spare key and also alowing the central locking fault to go uncorrected. My wife was quite sure that the whole episode was due to my own stupidity and she preferred to listen to the 20/20 cricket commentry rather than to my account of the keys retreval. I think she probably has a point. Regards Chris. ________________________________ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:05:00 +1000 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris, You have outdone yourself with your ingenuity and I'm very impressed! If it's ok with you I'll post this on the Aussie R129 forum because I'm so impressed! Damian. From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of chris wadlow Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 3:55 AM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi Jan, Thanks for the advice. I am pleased to say I have retrieved the keys without damaging the car. Just in case anyone else has this problem I will explain how I managed to do this. I manually raised the hood (as described in the drivers manual). This gave access to the soft top well. The hinges for the well cover come through two holes in the bulkhead, one each side, between the boot and the soft top well (about 2cm by 4cm). I strapped a small web cam to a long screw driver and slid it into the boot on one side through a hinge hole and fixed up a car bulb on a stiff wire and pushed it in through the other hinge hole. I could now see inside the boot and eventually located the keys after poking around in the rubbish with a variety of pieces of bent wire, copper brake pipe material and magnets on bendy shafts I managed to position the keys directly under one of the hinge holes. I then used a hook on a piece of string to catch the keys and bring them out through the hinge hole. I dropped the keys many times during the operation and the whole job took about 5 or 6 hours but what else is there to do on a sunny sunday when you cant drive your SL. I was very pleased not to have damaged the car and of course the next thing I must do is get another spare key made !!!! Regards Chris Wadlow. ________________________________ From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlow Verzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56 Aan: SL Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time. Chris Wadlow ________________________________ From: gregorio at weststargroup.net To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. ________________________________ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 . ________________________________ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List ________________________________ Get Started! ________________________________ Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! ________________________________ Get Started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr Tue Jun 17 07:01:01 2008 From: frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr (Frank GLASCOTT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:01:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem Message-ID: <6098468.3076481213700461584.JavaMail.www@wwinf1613> Fantastic piece of work, Chris. Take my hat off to you. Frank (France) > Message du 16/06/08 19:54 > De : "chris wadlow" > A : "SL Mailing List" > Copie ? : > Objet : Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem > > Hi Jan, > > Thanks for the advice. I am pleased to say I have retrieved the keys without damaging the car. Just in case anyone else has this problem I will explain how I managed to do this. I manually raised the hood (as described in the drivers manual). This gave access to the soft top well. The hinges for the well cover come through two holes in the bulkhead, one each side, between the boot and the soft top well (about 2cm by 4cm). I strapped a small web cam to a long screw driver and slid it into the boot on one side through a hinge hole and fixed up a car bulb on a stiff wire and pushed it in through the other hinge hole. I could now see inside the boot and eventually located the keys after poking around in the rubbish with a variety of pieces of bent wire, copper brake pipe material and magnets on bendy shafts I managed to position the keys directly under one of the hinge holes. I then used a hook on a piece of string to catch the keys and bring them out through the hinge hole. I dropped the keys many times during the operation and the whole job took about 5 or 6 hours but what else is there to do on a sunny sunday when you cant drive your SL. I was very pleased not to have damaged the car and of course the next thing I must do is get another spare key made !!!! > > Regards Chris Wadlow. > > > From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl > To: r129list at mbcoupes.com > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:43:22 +0200 > Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem > > Chris. You have a big problem. Normally should open the doors , activate the central locker for the boot. There are two wires and switch to do so. All of other central locking parts are in the boot. And if your boot lock not will react is properly the air pipe or the membrane damaged . So the only thing you can do is to drill out the lock cylinder in the boot and then with a hook release the iron piece from the membrane to the locker. Or ask your dealer if they have an other suggestion. Flying dutchmen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens chris wadlow > Verzonden: zondag 15 juni 2008 7:56 > Aan: SL Mailing List > Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem > > Hi, I hope you sort your key problem. I have a key problem of a different sort at the momment. My only key for the car (1990 R129) is locked in the boot. The central locking has failed on the boot and only locks it. It wont unlock without the key which is in the boot. Any suggestions which dont involve cutting would be gratefully recieved. I have obtained another key from Mercedes but it doesn't fit any of the locks which is supprising as all the locks operate with the same and only key I have so they all must have been changed at some time. > Chris Wadlow > > > From: gregorio at weststargroup.net > To: r129list at mbcoupes.com > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:33:01 -0800 > Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem > > I had this problem as well - my mechanic explained that it is a common problem with the early models (mine is a '91 as well) and can prove to be very expensive if you DON'T get the key out. Once out, it is a fairly easy fix. The keys & ignition tumblers tend to wear out and you have to order a replacement key at the dealer (bring your registration the VIN number and a driver's license). Keep trying and jiggling to get the key out, if you don't get it out, it's VERY expensive to repair! Just replacing the key may solve the problem too. Just my 2 cents. Greg in West Hills, CA 91 500SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Oldbenz1 at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [R129 SL] Ignition switch/key problem > My '91 500SL has developed a serious problem. When I turn off the ignition and try to remove the key I have trouble turning it to the extreme counter--clockwise detent so the key can be removed Moving the steering wheel while attempting to turn the key does not help, nor does using other keys (I have 3 keys for this car). After a lot of playing around with the key in the lock, I am finally able to remove it. Likewise it is sometimes difficult to turn the ignition switch clockwise to start the engine- it is sticky. A shot of aerosol WD-40 injected into the lock did not help. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm afraid if I need to replace the ignition switch I may also have to replace all the other locks as well resulting in a major expense. > > > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List > > Get Started! Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! > > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (0.0 Ko) ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 26 17:11:39 2008 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:11:39 -0700 Subject: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? Message-ID: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net> While driving my 1990 500 SL (R129) with the AC blowing cold and everything right with the world, the fan simply stopped blowing. On my former 1986 560 SEC this meant a large fuse outside the fuse box mounted to the cabin-side of the engine bay wall. I don't see a similar fuse on my R129, and all of the fuses in the fuse box appear fine. Is there another fuse somewhere for the AC blower? Thanks, Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net Sweating in So. Cal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mid-co at ix.netcom.com Thu Jun 26 19:58:53 2008 From: mid-co at ix.netcom.com (mid-co) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:58:53 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? In-Reply-To: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net> References: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6216D4DC6A604A1797676923FA1C9563@AndrewPC> speaking of fuses , where would I find the fuse for the trunk mounted mounted CD changer ? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Bruce in Nashville. '95 SL-500 2 'Vetted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From D.Ball at psychology.org.au Thu Jun 26 20:07:50 2008 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au (Damian Ball) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:07:50 +1000 Subject: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? References: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net> <6216D4DC6A604A1797676923FA1C9563@AndrewPC> Message-ID: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DCBF@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Hi Bruce, Which CD changer do you have? Bose? Technics? I can help you out with the technics one. Let me know. Damian. From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of mid-co Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 9:59 AM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? speaking of fuses , where would I find the fuse for the trunk mounted mounted CD changer ? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Bruce in Nashville. '95 SL-500 2 'Vetted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Thu Jun 26 20:57:18 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:57:18 +0200 Subject: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? In-Reply-To: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000f01c8d7f0$bf9c17e0$0202a8c0@medion1> Paul. I am thinking your blower motor bearings are become dry. SO there is power on the motor, only it is not turning. I had the same and had take out the blower , give some oil on the bearings, turned the blower some turns by hand till it starts to work. I have already posted a message on this board how to dissemble the blower motor, so look into the stored messages. beside there is a electronic fuse/switch on the motor itself Flying Dutchmen. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Paul Samarin Verzonden: donderdag 26 juni 2008 23:12 Aan: mercedes at mercedeslist.com; Mercedes Mailing Lists Coupes; SL Mailing List Onderwerp: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? While driving my 1990 500 SL (R129) with the AC blowing cold and everything right with the world, the fan simply stopped blowing. On my former 1986 560 SEC this meant a large fuse outside the fuse box mounted to the cabin-side of the engine bay wall. I don't see a similar fuse on my R129, and all of the fuses in the fuse box appear fine. Is there another fuse somewhere for the AC blower? Thanks, Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net Sweating in So. Cal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 26 21:09:59 2008 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:09:59 -0700 Subject: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? In-Reply-To: <000f01c8d7f0$bf9c17e0$0202a8c0@medion1> References: <000f01c8d7f0$bf9c17e0$0202a8c0@medion1> Message-ID: The archives are very difficult to search. You gotta go month by month, unless I'm looking at it wrong. Do you have any idea what month and year you might have posted on this? Thanks, Paul On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Jan Kuylaars wrote: > Paul. > I am thinking your blower motor bearings are become dry. SO there > is power on the motor, only it is not turning. > I had the same and had take out the blower , give some oil on the > bearings, turned the blower some turns by hand till it starts to work. > I have already posted a message on this board how to dissemble the > blower motor, so look into the stored messages. > > beside there is a electronic fuse/switch on the motor itself > Flying Dutchmen. > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list- > bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Paul Samarin > Verzonden: donderdag 26 juni 2008 23:12 > Aan: mercedes at mercedeslist.com; Mercedes Mailing Lists Coupes; SL > Mailing List > Onderwerp: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? > > While driving my 1990 500 SL (R129) with the AC blowing cold and > everything right with the world, the fan simply stopped blowing. > On my former 1986 560 SEC this meant a large fuse outside the fuse > box mounted to the cabin-side of the engine bay wall. I don't see > a similar fuse on my R129, and all of the fuses in the fuse box > appear fine. > > Is there another fuse somewhere for the AC blower? > > Thanks, > > Paul Samarin > pauls at sbcglobal.net > Sweating in So. Cal. > > > > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 26 21:13:02 2008 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:13:02 -0700 Subject: [R129 SL] Fwd: [R129 SL 500 Replace Blower Regulator References: Message-ID: Wow! Found it in my own email folder. It was such a complete write- up, I saved it! Thank you very much for taking the time to write this up, Jan! I'm gonna study it and probably have some questions. Thanks, Paul Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jan Kuylaars" > Date: April 19, 2007 1:23:38 PM PDT > To: "." , "SL Mailing List" > > Subject: Re: [R129 SL] [R129 SL 500 Replace Blower Regulator > Reply-To: SL Mailing List > > I FIXED MINE WITH SAME PROBLEM WITH TWO DROPS OF OIL AND A SATURDAY > OF WORK: > > In the past some times I discovered that the blower motor wont not > operate > ore drove at low speed.Then turning on again the switch solved the > problem. > Yesterday the motor did not operate at all. Turning several time > the switch > did not change anything. > So I must repair the system. Because all the other functions on the > half > automatic climate control were normal operating , > I could hear the air-operated valves close when I set the blower > switch on > off and open when I used forced windshield heating on 6 , > I now for 99% that the control box was not defective. > Looking on the ETM ( electronic trouble manual) on the MB USA DVD I > could > see that there were four other parts that could be defect. > 1-The Fuse F19 , placed near the big fuse box , above the brake > vacuum box. > 2-N29, the power control unit, placed on the blower motor. > 3-The blower motor M2 , placed underneath the air inlet filter. > 4- The wiring in this system, including the earth connection W1, > placed > under the dashboard. > Off course I hoped that the last was not the issue. > > So I started with taking away the rubber band that is positioned > between the > air inlet and the motor compartment. > Then pulling the grey cap what is positioned between the windshield > wiper > and the mechanic up from the wiper system. > Unscrew the bolt that holds the wiper arm on the system , and take > of the > wiper arm by pulling it to the right. > Unscrew the left and right air inlet box by not taking out the > screw, but > only loose them some turns. |For the inner screws near the wiper > Motor it is necessary to putt the screwdriver true the hole that is > covered > by plastic taps. The hole looks like a cross. > After unscrew pull the outside ( mirror side ) up towards the roof > for some > inches. The box becomes loose from the screws. > Then pull the right one to the right mirror side and the left to > the left > mirror side. Because all the holes are on one side open, > you can now takeoff the boxes from the chassis. > > Then unscrew the two bolts from the dust filter compartment , > unclip the > three clips on the motor side and pull off the complete filter > house cover. > Take out the sensor on the right side , careful take out the wiring > and lay > the sensor on the motor air filter. > Unscrew all the Philips screws on the left computer compartment > cover plate > and take off the cover plate. > Carefully take out the wire from the sensor that you lay down on > the motor > air filter to the computer compartment. > The wire is positioned between the bottom from the airfilter > compartment and > the chassis . > Pull out the green and yellow air pipes out off the connectors in the > computer compartment. > Pull out the round cover plate underneath the rubber from the wiper > mechanism. > Unscrew the left wiper motor cover plate and the right air inlet > cover > plate , they are fastened with two Philips screws and two plastic > fasteners. > Take off these covers. > > Now you can see the complete wiper system. Search for the wiper > computer > positioned to the windshield side in the computer compartment. > On top of the computer there is a smaller relay box. on these relay > box > there is the wiper motor connector. You can see it on the colours > and the > thickness >> From the wires : on the right side it is green-white-black-yellow >> and brown. > The same like on the wiper motor. You also can follow the cable > from the > wiper motor > To the relay box. Push the holder from the connector to the left so > the > connector come off the relay box. > > Now unscrew the two bolts which clamped this cable on the wiper motor. > Unsolder or un well the wires on the wiper motor. Started with the > green > from the motor > And the cable, then the red from the motor and white from the > cable, then > the black-yellow and brown. On the brown there is also an small > brown wire > to the shell for earth > Pull the cable out off the compartment to the computer compartment. > Be aware > not to damage the rubber seal so you can later putt it back perfectly > watertight. > Unscrew the under rubber holder from the wiper mechanism with a > small 90 > degrees wrench set. Unscrew the rest from the mechanism with a 10 > mm pipe > tool set. > Take out the wiper mechanism to pull it to wards the motor > compartment. > > Unscrew the left rubber mounting from the wiper mechanism with a > 22 mm > wrench set. Unscrew the other bolts with a 10 mm pipe tool out of > the bottom > of the > Air filter compartment. Then use a 10 mm pipe tool that is at least > 20cm > long and putt some chewing gum or other adhesive compound at the end. > That is that the bolts are not falling into the chassis but stay in > the tool > to take them out of the car. > There are three bolts positioned in the bottom from the air filter > compartment between the iron chassis from the motor compartment > and the > plastic side wall >> From the air filter compartment. So you have only a half inch to >> do so. Also > the four other cables laying in this space can be a problem. > You can solve this problem by using a big flat screwdriver and pull > one > cable to the air filter compartment, so you can use the pipe tool > between > the cables. > ( when you assemble you have no problem because then you have the > possibility and space to lay all the cable's neat above each other > to the > iron side ) > Now pull out the complete air filter bottom out of the car. > > Now you can see the blower motor. Take off the green air pipe from > the motor > . Take of the red and green wires from the motor. > Unclip the four clips on the right side from the vent cover, and > two clips > from the left vent cover. Unclip the steel band what is holding the > blower > motor on its place. > Now you can take of the motor complete with vents. > > I tried to let the motor turn by hand, but it was very difficult. The > bearings were completely dried out. Checking the cowl browsers ; > they were > OK. > Putting some oil on the bearings , and turning the motor by hand , > loose the > bearings . Using an extern power supply from 12 volts 5 Amps let > the motor > Turning faster and faster , and after some time and repeating the > oil , the > motor turns like new. > > So after assembling the complete system in reverse order like > mentioned > above, I repaired my car with five drips of oil and four ours of > my own > labour. > Dissembling take 3 hours and assembling only one hour. That's > because I then > new how to work. That's why I write it down for those people who > must do the > same job. > At the same time I oiled the wiper system, let come out the arm by > turning > the motor. > > > Friendly greetings from The Flying Dutchmen 500 SL > > > > Jan Kuylaars Westerhoven > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com > [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]Namens . > Verzonden: donderdag 19 april 2007 22:08 > Aan: SL Mailing List > Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] [R129 SL 500 Replace Blower Regulator > > Thanks for the blower regulator info. > > Is this a procedure that a "weekend mechanic" can > do ? Can you describe the procedure ? > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts . > > Bruce in Nashville - 1995 SL 500 > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List > > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mid-co at ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 27 01:20:07 2008 From: mid-co at ix.netcom.com (mid-co) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:20:07 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? In-Reply-To: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DCBF@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> References: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net><6216D4DC6A604A1797676923FA1C9563@AndrewPC> <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DCBF@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Message-ID: <9D35DD6DCA374FFA92097DEB5DF978B9@AndrewPC> Damian , thanks for your response. How do I tell the diff between the Technics & the Bose ? (Sorry for my ignorance) Bruce In Nashville. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From D.Ball at psychology.org.au Fri Jun 27 02:24:19 2008 From: D.Ball at psychology.org.au (Damian Ball) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:24:19 +1000 Subject: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? References: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net><6216D4DC6A604A1797676923FA1C9563@AndrewPC><7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DCBF@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> <9D35DD6DCA374FFA92097DEB5DF978B9@AndrewPC> Message-ID: <7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DD6B@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> Hi Bruce, The stackers and the head unit on the technics have the brand written on it. I haven't seen the Bose one's first hand so I can't say for sure. The brand should be written somewhere. Damian. From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of mid-co Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 3:20 PM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? Damian , thanks for your response. How do I tell the diff between the Technics & the Bose ? (Sorry for my ignorance) Bruce In Nashville. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mid-co at ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 27 09:19:29 2008 From: mid-co at ix.netcom.com (mid-co) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:19:29 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] CD changer; fuse? In-Reply-To: <9D35DD6DCA374FFA92097DEB5DF978B9@AndrewPC> References: <23433CF0-F1B3-4B05-8CF4-A877A8620383@sbcglobal.net><6216D4DC6A604A1797676923FA1C9563@AndrewPC><7866FC886F82ED44B48BDA6C646A773F0208DCBF@aps-ex1.psychology.org.au> <9D35DD6DCA374FFA92097DEB5DF978B9@AndrewPC> Message-ID: <73E36531692A44BBAC240BE26774F229@AndrewPC> Ok...it's a Bose system as that's what it says on the amp behind the drivers seat. None of the lights on the trunk mounted are coming on . pressing the "CD" button on the receiver unit just pauses the radio for 5 -7 seconds , then it resumes. Any thoughts ? Bruce in Nashville. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Sun Jun 29 17:51:18 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:51:18 +0200 Subject: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c8da32$439a8840$0202a8c0@medion1> In the past some times i discovered that the blower motor wont not operate. Then turning on again the switch solved the problem. Yesterday the motor did not operate at all. Turning several time the switch did not change anything. So I must repair the system. Because all the other functions on the half automatic climate control were normal operating , I could hear the air-operated valves close when I set the blower switch on off and open when I used forced windshield heating on 6 , I now for 99% that the control box was not defective. Looking on the ETM ( electronic trouble manual) on the MB USA DVD I could see that there were four other parts that could be defect. 1-The Fuse F19 , placed near the big fuse box , above the brake vacuum box. 2-N29, the power control unit, placed on the blower motor. 3-The blower motor M2 , placed underneath the air inlet filter. 4- The wiring in this system, including the earth connection W1, placed under the dashboard. Off course I hoped that the last was not the issue. So I started with taking away the rubber band that is positioned between the air inlet and the motor compartment. Then pulling the grey cap what is positioned between the windshield wiper and the mechanic up from the wiper system. Unscrew the bolt that holds the wiper arm on the system , and take of the wiper arm by pulling it to the right. Unscrew the left and right air inlet box by not taking out the screw, but only loose them some turns. |For the inner screws near the wiper Motor it is necessary to putt the screwdriver true the hole that is covered by plastic taps. The hole looks like a cross. After unscrew pull the outside ( mirror side ) up towards the roof for some inches. The box becomes loose from the screws. Then pull the right one to the right mirror side and the left to the left mirror side. Because all the holes are on one side open, you can now takeoff the boxes from the chassis. Then unscrew the two bolts from the dust filter compartment , unclip the three clips on the motor side and pull off the complete filter house cover. Take out the sensor on the right side , careful take out the wiring and lay the sensor on the motor air filter. Unscrew all the Philips screws on the left computer compartment cover plate and take off the cover plate. Carefully take out the wire from the sensor that you lay down on the motor air filter to the computer compartment. The wire is positioned between the bottom from the airfilter compartment and the chassis . Pull out the green and yellow air pipes out off the connectors in the computer compartment. Pull out the round cover plate underneath the rubber from the wiper mechanism. Unscrew the left wiper motor cover plate and the right air inlet cover plate , they are fastened with two Philips screws and two plastic fasteners. Take off these covers. Now you can see the complete wiper system. Search for the wiper computer positioned to the windshield side in the computer compartment. On top of the computer there is a smaller relay box. on these relay box there is the wiper motor connector. You can see it on the colours and the thickness >From the wires : on the right side it is green-white-black-yellow and brown. The same like on the wiper motor. You also can follow the cable from the wiper motor to the relay box. Push the holder from the connector to the left so the connector come off the relay box. Now unscrew the two bolts which clamped this cable on the wiper motor. Unsolder or un well the wires on the wiper motor. Started with the green from the motor And the cable, then the red from the motor and white from the cable, then the black-yellow and brown. On the brown there is also an small brown wire to the shell for earth Pull the cable out off the compartment to the computer compartment. Be aware not to damage the rubber seal so you can later putt it back perfectly watertight. Unscrew the under rubber holder from the wiper mechanism with a small 90 degrees wrench set. Unscrew the rest from the mechanism with a 10 mm pipe tool set. Take out the wiper mechanism to pull it to wards the motor compartment. Unscrew the left rubber mounting from the wiper mechanism with a 22 mm wrench set. Unscrew the other bolts with a 10 mm pipe tool out of the bottom of the Air filter compartment. Then use a 10 mm pipe tool that is at least 20cm long and putt some chewing gum or other adhesive compound at the end. That is that the bolts are not falling into the chassis but stay in the tool to take them out of the car. There are three bolts positioned in the bottom from the air filter compartment between the iron chassis from the motor compartment and the plastic side wall >From the air filter compartment. So you have only a half inch to do so. Also the four other cables laying in this space can be a problem. You can solve this problem by using a big flat screwdriver and pull one cable to the air filter compartment, so you can use the pipe tool between the cables. ( when you assemble you have no problem because then you have the possibility and space to lay all the cable's neat above each other to the iron side ) Now pull out the complete air filter bottom out of the car. Now you can see the blower motor. Take off the green air pipe from the motor . Take of the red and green wires from the motor. Unclip the four clips on the right side from the vent cover, and two clips from the left vent cover. Unclip the steel band what is holding the blower motor on its place. Now you can take of the motor complete with vents. I tried to let the motor turn by hand, but it was very difficult. The bearings were completely dried out. Checking the cowl browsers ; they were OK. Putting some oil on the bearings , and turning the motor by hand , loose the bearings . Using an extern power supply from 12 volts 5 Amps let the motor Turning faster and faster , and after some time and repeating the oil , the motor turns like new. So after assembling the complete system in reverse order like mentioned above, I repaired my car with five drips of oil and four ours of my own labour. Dissembling take 3 hours and assembling only one hour. That's because I then new how to work. That's why I write it down for those people who must do the same job. At the same time I oiled the wiper system, let come out the arm by turning the motor. Friendly greetings from The Flying Dutchmen 500 SL -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Paul Samarin Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juni 2008 3:10 Aan: SL Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? The archives are very difficult to search. You gotta go month by month, unless I'm looking at it wrong. Do you have any idea what month and year you might have posted on this? Thanks, Paul On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Jan Kuylaars wrote: Paul. I am thinking your blower motor bearings are become dry. SO there is power on the motor, only it is not turning. I had the same and had take out the blower , give some oil on the bearings, turned the blower some turns by hand till it starts to work. I have already posted a message on this board how to dissemble the blower motor, so look into the stored messages. beside there is a electronic fuse/switch on the motor itself Flying Dutchmen. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Paul Samarin Verzonden: donderdag 26 juni 2008 23:12 Aan: mercedes at mercedeslist.com; Mercedes Mailing Lists Coupes; SL Mailing List Onderwerp: [R129 SL] AC quit; fuse? While driving my 1990 500 SL (R129) with the AC blowing cold and everything right with the world, the fan simply stopped blowing. On my former 1986 560 SEC this meant a large fuse outside the fuse box mounted to the cabin-side of the engine bay wall. I don't see a similar fuse on my R129, and all of the fuses in the fuse box appear fine. Is there another fuse somewhere for the AC blower? Thanks, Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net Sweating in So. Cal. The MB Coupes Website! 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