From pauls at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 13:49:16 2008 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:49:16 -0800 Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL Message-ID: Time for new shoes for the '90 500 SL; recommended size (and currently on the car) is 225x55x16 all around. What is the most current list wisdom as to: 1) tire size (I'm not considering new wheels or a staggered set-up at this time); would slightly wider tires give any benefit? 2) tire rating; my aggressive driving days are behind me, so Z is definitely ridiculous, but what's a good daily driver that can handle "a little more"? 3) brand and model; 4) where to buy; I'll check tirerack.com and costco, of course; any other suggestions? Camber is wrong on rear: outside wearing excessively. So, I also need a good alignment/suspension shop in So.Cal. (S/E LA County, Orange County). Thanks for any and all advice! Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deneals at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 14:01:04 2008 From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister iMac) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:01:04 -0600 Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/15/08 12:49 PM, "Paul Samarin" wrote: > Time for new shoes for the '90 500 SL; recommended size (and currently on the > car) is 225x55x16 all around. I?ve struggled with this the last two replacements times. I, too am past the hot rod stage. I?ve been very happy with Yokohama Avid 4S tires. I?ve been very happy with them. I?ve been tempted to get the Michelins as originally specified, but after using the tire rack?s Tire Decision Guide , I?ve always come back to the Yokos. +++++++++-- Deneal Schilmeister MBCA Gateway 1991-2007 MBCA Cincinnati 2006-2008 1997 SL500 (119k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://deneals.com/ +++++++++-- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markdeluca at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:03:03 2008 From: markdeluca at gmail.com (Mark DeLuca) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:03 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question Message-ID: Question for the experts: My 2000 SL500 Sport shakes like the alignment is off when I first start driving, but then after a mile or so of driving the problem goes away and the car rides just fine. I feel the wobble in my seat. The Z rated tires are pressured to spec and they have decent tread on them. If the alignment was off or if I had lost a wheel weight, then I wouldn't expect the problem to melt away as the car warmed up. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark D. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markusfmeyer at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:19:19 2008 From: markusfmeyer at hotmail.com (Markus Meyer) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:19:19 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How often do you drive the car? Does it sit a lot? Flat spotting on the tires maybe? Markus Meyer 484-919-9762 www.meyerprobateproperties.com ________________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:03 -0500 From: markdeluca at gmail.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question Question for the experts: My 2000 SL500 Sport shakes like the alignment is off when I first start driving, but then after a mile or so of driving the problem goes away and the car rides just fine. I feel the wobble in my seat. The Z rated tires are pressured to spec and they have decent tread on them. If the alignment was off or if I had lost a wheel weight, then I wouldn't expect the problem to melt away as the car warmed up. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark D. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From markdeluca at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:28:06 2008 From: markdeluca at gmail.com (Mark DeLuca) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:28:06 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Markus - That hadn't occurred to me. The car is often idle, it has ~ 34,000 miles and is almost 8 years old. I've heard of flat spotting, but didn't think that it was a real phenomenon. Come to think of it I am on my 2nd set of back tires and the problem occurred with both. You may have hit on it! I guess nothing can be done about it beyond driving the car more often? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Markus Meyer wrote: > > How often do you drive the car? Does it sit a lot? Flat spotting on the > tires maybe? > > > Markus Meyer > 484-919-9762 > www.meyerprobateproperties.com > > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:03 -0500 > From: markdeluca at gmail.com > To: r129list at mbcoupes.com > Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question > > Question for the experts: > > My 2000 SL500 Sport shakes like the alignment is off when I first start > driving, but then after a mile or so of driving the problem goes away and > the car rides just fine. I feel the wobble in my seat. The Z rated tires are > pressured to spec and they have decent tread on them. If the alignment was > off or if I had lost a wheel weight, then I wouldn't expect the problem to > melt away as the car warmed up. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > The MB Coupes Website! > R129 SL Mailing List > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markusfmeyer at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:32:43 2008 From: markusfmeyer at hotmail.com (Markus Meyer) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:32:43 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I've been told you can do one of two things if the car sits a lot: 1) jack it up so the wheels are off the ground 2) pump the tires up to like 50psi (can't remember exact number right now) but I think the owner's manual lists this during "extended storage" conditions or something of the like. Or, like you said, drive it more! :) Markus Meyer 484-919-9762 www.meyerprobateproperties.com ________________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:28:06 -0500 From: markdeluca at gmail.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Tire question Markus - That hadn't occurred to me. The car is often idle, it has ~ 34,000 miles and is almost 8 years old. I've heard of flat spotting, but didn't think that it was a real phenomenon. Come to think of it I am on my 2nd set of back tires and the problem occurred with both. You may have hit on it! I guess nothing can be done about it beyond driving the car more often? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Markus Meyer wrote: How often do you drive the car? Does it sit a lot? Flat spotting on the tires maybe? Markus Meyer 484-919-9762 www.meyerprobateproperties.com ________________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:03 -0500 From: markdeluca at gmail.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question Question for the experts: My 2000 SL500 Sport shakes like the alignment is off when I first start driving, but then after a mile or so of driving the problem goes away and the car rides just fine. I feel the wobble in my seat. The Z rated tires are pressured to spec and they have decent tread on them. If the alignment was off or if I had lost a wheel weight, then I wouldn't expect the problem to melt away as the car warmed up. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark D. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From bandbricketts at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Feb 15 16:58:55 2008 From: bandbricketts at ns.sympatico.ca (William Ricketts) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:58:55 -0400 Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question References: Message-ID: <003201c8701d$f5e09dc0$9bc5448e@Ricketts> I went through "hell" trying to get my 98 SL500 to not shake as if the tires were out of balance...turned out to be the rear shocks...now perfectly smooth...don't forget to check that option out.... Bill R ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark DeLuca To: SL Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: [R129 SL] Tire question Question for the experts: My 2000 SL500 Sport shakes like the alignment is off when I first start driving, but then after a mile or so of driving the problem goes away and the car rides just fine. I feel the wobble in my seat. The Z rated tires are pressured to spec and they have decent tread on them. If the alignment was off or if I had lost a wheel weight, then I wouldn't expect the problem to melt away as the car warmed up. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Deneal Schilmeister iMac" Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:01:04 -0500 Size: 6028 Url: From stevenrhinrichs at cox.net Mon Feb 18 09:21:31 2008 From: stevenrhinrichs at cox.net (Steve Hinrichs) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, I've got a '95 SL320 (43,000 mi) that I put new tires on a while back, and went through considerable research before buying. I stayed with the stock alloy wheels and tire size (225/ 55 R16). I"m also past 'aggressive' driving, but still like to "blow out the cobwebs" once in a while here in the mountains of SW Virginia. I ended up with the 225/ 55 R16 95V Bridgestone Turanza Serenity tires, to replace the original Pirelli P600's (225/ 55 ZR16). The Turanza's are a V rated tire, but have a couple of (what I consider) advantages over other V, Z, W, & Y rated comparable tires. First, the cost was considerably less than the Michelin, Pirelli, or Yokohama tires I had considered. The tires were $142 each (not including M & B, tax, stems, etc.). They come with a 50,000 mile warranty, which is pretty good for a high performance rated tire (some don't/ won't give a mileage warranty at all). The other 'plus' to these tires is that they are omni-directional, so they can be cross rotated, unlike a lot of other performance tires that only permit front/ back, same side (unidirectional), switching. I have about 2500 miles on them and have been pleased with their handling and performance, in both wet & dry conditions. I ended up getting the tire locally at a Firestone/ Bridgestone dealer, as they were no more expensive than Tire Rack (when you factor in shipping, etc.), plus it's a local resource to utilize, if needed. The dealer also said that I had 30 days to 'test drive' the tires, and if not satisfied, I could exchange them for something else. As a sidebar, I had the original wheels refinished (the previous original owner had inflicted a fair amount of curb rash on the rims) while getting new tires, and Wheel Warehouse in Ohio does a great job on restoring wheels back to factory specifications, including paint match. They look brand new, and at considerably less expense than new replacement wheels from the MB dealer or other wheel sources (some of which have 'replica' wheels, to be avoided). Good luck! Steve Hinrichs ---Original Message----- From: Paul Samarin [mailto:pauls at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:49 PM To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists; SL Mailing List Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL Time for new shoes for the '90 500 SL; recommended size (and currently on the car) is 225x55x16 all around. What is the most current list wisdom as to: 1) tire size (I'm not considering new wheels or a staggered set-up at this time); would slightly wider tires give any benefit? 2) tire rating; my aggressive driving days are behind me, so Z is definitely ridiculous, but what's a good daily driver that can handle "a little more"? 3) brand and model; 4) where to buy; I'll check tirerack.com and costco, of course; any other suggestions? Camber is wrong on rear: outside wearing excessively. So, I also need a good alignment/suspension shop in So.Cal. (S/E LA County, Orange County). Thanks for any and all advice! Paul Samarin pauls at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deneals at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 18 10:58:41 2008 From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:58:41 -0600 Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005c01c87247$2241ef10$6d00a8c0@PORTEGE> My Yokos were $141.05 each including EVERYTHING out the door at a retail tire store in St Louis in March 2007. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hinrichs Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL Paul, I've got a '95 SL320 (43,000 mi) that I put new tires on a while back, and went through considerable research before buying. I stayed with the stock alloy wheels and tire size (225/ 55 R16). I"m also past 'aggressive' driving, but still like to "blow out the cobwebs" once in a while here in the mountains of SW Virginia. I ended up with the 225/ 55 R16 95V Bridgestone Turanza Serenity tires, to replace the original Pirelli P600's (225/ 55 ZR16). The Turanza's are a V rated tire, but have a couple of (what I consider) advantages over other V, Z, W, & Y rated comparable tires. First, the cost was considerably less than the Michelin, Pirelli, or Yokohama tires I had considered. The tires were $142 each (not including M & B, tax, stems, etc.). They come with a 50,000 mile warranty, which is pretty good for a high performance rated tire (some don't/ won't give a mileage warranty at all). The other 'plus' to these tires is that they are omni-directional, so they can be cross rotated, unlike a lot of other performance tires that only permit front/ back, same side (unidirectional), switching. 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Steve Hinrichs -----Original Message----- From: Deneal Schilmeister (Portege) [mailto:deneals at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:59 AM To: 'SL Mailing List' Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL My Yokos were $141.05 each including EVERYTHING out the door at a retail tire store in St Louis in March 2007. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hinrichs Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: SL Mailing List Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL Paul, I've got a '95 SL320 (43,000 mi) that I put new tires on a while back, and went through considerable research before buying. I stayed with the stock alloy wheels and tire size (225/ 55 R16). I"m also past 'aggressive' driving, but still like to "blow out the cobwebs" once in a while here in the mountains of SW Virginia. I ended up with the 225/ 55 R16 95V Bridgestone Turanza Serenity tires, to replace the original Pirelli P600's (225/ 55 ZR16). The Turanza's are a V rated tire, but have a couple of (what I consider) advantages over other V, Z, W, & Y rated comparable tires. First, the cost was considerably less than the Michelin, Pirelli, or Yokohama tires I had considered. The tires were $142 each (not including M & B, tax, stems, etc.). They come with a 50,000 mile warranty, which is pretty good for a high performance rated tire (some don't/ won't give a mileage warranty at all). The other 'plus' to these tires is that they are omni-directional, so they can be cross rotated, unlike a lot of other performance tires that only permit front/ back, same side (unidirectional), switching. I have about 2500 miles on them and have been pleased with their handling and performance, in both wet & dry conditions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HERB999 at aol.com Mon Feb 18 14:23:58 2008 From: HERB999 at aol.com (HERB999 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:23:58 EST Subject: [R129 SL] Alignment Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deneals at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 18 14:26:51 2008 From: deneals at sbcglobal.net (Deneal Schilmeister iMac) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:26:51 -0600 Subject: [R129 SL] Tires and alignment for SL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/18/08 12:18 PM, "Steve Hinrichs" wrote: > Deneal, > > Just for clarity, which Yokohama tires did you purchase? Thanks! > > Steve Hinrichs Steve, I have been using Yokohama 225 55 R16 Avid 4S since I acquired this car 4 years ago with crappy tires on it. Three months after buying the car I installed my first set of the Yokos. I?m now on my 2nd set and got 40,085 miles out of the first set. I?ve been very happy with these tires (so far). +++++++++-- Deneal Schilmeister MBCA Gateway 1991-2007 MBCA Cincinnati 2006-2008 1997 SL500 (119k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://deneals.com/ +++++++++-- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreycogan at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 16:27:32 2008 From: jeffreycogan at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Cogan) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:27:32 -0800 Subject: [R129 SL] Alignment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My Goodyear dealer in Las Vegas also offers a similar program. I believe that I paid $149 but that was three years ago. Jeffrey From: HERB999 at aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:23:58 -0500 To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Subject: [R129 SL] Alignment The Firestone dealer in Oakland CA offers lifetime (ownership) alignments and periodic checks for a one time fee of $159. Good deal if you plan to keep the car for a long time. I think this is a Firestone program, not just the local dealer. Herb ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From STDWATCH at aol.com Tue Feb 19 13:00:28 2008 From: STDWATCH at aol.com (STDWATCH at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:00:28 EST Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 Message-ID: My 1995 SL600 had a full set of new Michelin Sport AS tires on it when I bought the car in 2004. When the tires had about 15,000 miles on them one of them exploded on the Interstate at about 70 MPH. Literally both the inside and outside sidewalls disintegrated, all that was left was the tread and the two beads still attached to the rim. Michelin claimed that there wasn't a tire problem, even though a Michelin tire specialist told me he could feel slight tread separation on the remaining three tires. Michelin did offer to replace the tire as "customer goodwill". Sure enough, a few months later, at about 30 MPH, a second tire blew out. There were over two dozen failures on both the inside and outside sidewalls. Michelin again told me there could be no inherent tire problem and refused to do anything about what was obviously a defective set of tires. Needless to say, the remaining two tires from the original set quickly wound up getting scrapped as I put four new Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS on the car. We do not get snow and ice here in coastal Georgia, but in both dry and wet conditions the Bridgestone's handle at least as well as the Michelins and inspire a lot more confidence that they will hold together. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz Tue Feb 19 18:32:15 2008 From: joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz (Peter S) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:32:15 +1300 Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 References: Message-ID: <003e01c8734f$a976e090$0501010a@newbeb1e9bcff6> Hi ??, I am Peter S from New Zealand. 'We' have discussed tyres on previous forum's but at the end of the day tyres are really a personal preference, how one drives and tyres are very dependent upon local conditions. Your Michelin tyres (like all others) can separate, but how old were the tyres? Any tyres older than about 10 years on a car should be scrapped as they are potentially dangerous (they separate or blow out). There was an incident in Auckland (our largest city) last year where a woman was killed as a result of a blowout and her tyres were some 16 years old! I have used the Bridgestone Potenza's as well as Michelin, and EagleHawk's. As an all round tyre, I have used the Bridgestone Potenza series for a number of years on my former Mitsubishi Galant GR4, Nissan Maxima, Honda Civic Levin and Honda CRX, all with excellent handling in New Zealand, even on the gravel (unsealed) roads. The Bridgestone's on the SL 500 also perform well. When the rims are 17 inch or larger, I have found that tyre performance on Gravel Roads is poor. I have 18 inch mags on my 123 with Pirelli PZero's - these tyres are some $650 each in New Zealand. They perform well on the Tarmac roads but are not too good on the gravel roads - they drift a bit!. I am about to buy two new sets of tyres ( set for the SL500 and a set for the W123 - 280E) and I talk to the specialist tyre people where I require good advice for my driving style, road adherence etc. If you do not like the new tyres, many operators in NZ will change the tyres within the first 100 km if they are not right for the car. Ask your tyre dealer!?! Regarding flat spots on tyres, my son had our older W123 out and a young kid on a bike U turned on a highway. My son hit the brakes and burnt flat spots on the tyres. New tyres, and had to throw them away. You definitely get flat spots by leaving the tyres on the car and not using the car. The old crossply tyres are shocking for this effect, the radials are more resilient but still are prone to this effect. Like someone else indicated, jack up the car when not in use, or drive the car! A few car museums have the 'usable' cars on blocks, the non used cars just have flat spots on the tyres!. Incidentally, on My Harley Davidson, I use Avon tyres - Vipers on the front and 'Stickers' on the rear. Only get about 8,000 km out of a set but they tend to hold the road better than the HD specified tyres (Dunlop!). Good Luck, talk to your tyre dealer, and check the dates on the tyres to make sure the dealers are not selling you an old set of tyres! Regards, Peter S. ----- Original Message ----- From: STDWATCH at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Cc: STDWATCH at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 My 1995 SL600 had a full set of new Michelin Sport AS tires on it when I bought the car in 2004. When the tires had about 15,000 miles on them one of them exploded on the Interstate at about 70 MPH. Literally both the inside and outside sidewalls disintegrated, all that was left was the tread and the two beads still attached to the rim. Michelin claimed that there wasn't a tire problem, even though a Michelin tire specialist told me he could feel slight tread separation on the remaining three tires. Michelin did offer to replace the tire as "customer goodwill". Sure enough, a few months later, at about 30 MPH, a second tire blew out. There were over two dozen failures on both the inside and outside sidewalls. Michelin again told me there could be no inherent tire problem and refused to do anything about what was obviously a defective set of tires. Needless to say, the remaining two tires from the original set quickly wound up getting scrapped as I put four new Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS on the car. We do not get snow and ice here in coastal Georgia, but in both dry and wet conditions the Bridgestone's handle at least as well as the Michelins and inspire a lot more confidence that they will hold together. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From STDWATCH at aol.com Wed Feb 20 17:57:36 2008 From: STDWATCH at aol.com (STDWATCH at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:57:36 EST Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 Message-ID: The set of Michelin Sport AS tires were new in Jan 2004. Both tire failures occurred in 2007 so the`tires were about three years old when they failed. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz Wed Feb 20 20:29:27 2008 From: joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz (Peter S) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:29:27 +1300 Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 References: Message-ID: <004201c87429$333128c0$0501010a@newbeb1e9bcff6> In my opinion, Michelin should accept some liability if the tyres are in good condition and less than three years old!. Not a good advert for Michelin and I am now put off Michelin tyres as I heard a similar story from my cousin in Northern England. I had a similar incident with a set if Firestone Tyres a few years ago. They kept getting punctures, the outer casing bulged and many problems. An independent tyre seller indicated that my tyres were 'faulty' and this was reasonably common from a particular batch of the Firestone tyres. Firestone refused to accept any responsibility. The only way I got action was I moved our company fleet (company I ran at the time) of 40 vehicles away from Firestone Tyres and moved to Reidrubber for about a year. Well, Warm and Sunny here in the Manawatu (New Zealand) today. About 28 degrees C in the shade - lovely and will soon to time for a cold 'Sherbee' (beer!) and a 'barbie' (barbecue!). Have a good one, Regards, Peter S. ----- Original Message ----- From: STDWATCH at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 The set of Michelin Sport AS tires were new in Jan 2004. Both tire failures occurred in 2007 so the`tires were about three years old when they failed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vrlopez254 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 20:40:28 2008 From: vrlopez254 at yahoo.com (Victor R. Lopez) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:40:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <004201c87429$333128c0$0501010a@newbeb1e9bcff6> Message-ID: <943270.12601.qm@web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For a high performance tire I would think three years is getting a little old. Fork out the money and buy some new ones. Have you looked at Conti's Peter S wrote: In my opinion, Michelin should accept some liability if the tyres are in good condition and less than three years old!. Not a good advert for Michelin and I am now put off Michelin tyres as I heard a similar story from my cousin in Northern England. I had a similar incident with a set if Firestone Tyres a few years ago. They kept getting punctures, the outer casing bulged and many problems. An independent tyre seller indicated that my tyres were 'faulty' and this was reasonably common from a particular batch of the Firestone tyres. Firestone refused to accept any responsibility. The only way I got action was I moved our company fleet (company I ran at the time) of 40 vehicles away from Firestone Tyres and moved to Reidrubber for about a year. Well, Warm and Sunny here in the Manawatu (New Zealand) today. About 28 degrees C in the shade - lovely and will soon to time for a cold 'Sherbee' (beer!) and a 'barbie' (barbecue!). Have a good one, Regards, Peter S. ----- Original Message ----- From: STDWATCH at aol.com To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129LIST Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 The set of Michelin Sport AS tires were new in Jan 2004. Both tire failures occurred in 2007 so the`tires were about three years old when they failed. --------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. --------------------------------- The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing ListThe MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vrlopez254 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 20:41:13 2008 From: vrlopez254 at yahoo.com (Victor R. Lopez) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:41:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [R129 SL] (no subject) Message-ID: <22551.44980.qm@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> please remove me from your mailing list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz Wed Feb 20 20:58:12 2008 From: joyce.pm at xtra.co.nz (Peter S) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:58:12 +1300 Subject: [R129 SL] (no subject) References: <22551.44980.qm@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008e01c8742d$36ecd460$0501010a@newbeb1e9bcff6> Hi Victor, None of us can remove you from the SL mailing list! I understand that you have to action it yourself. I am a member just like you and the master list for reply is held in a data base somewhere (in the world) - could be anywhere and on any server. Suggest you access the master mailing list and remove yourself as we can not do this for you. Incidentally, I would expect tyres to last a bit longer than three years depending upon use. The cars on my W123 last about a year (35- 40,000 km) where as the SL lasts about 3.5 years (30,000 km). My other 5 cars requires tyre changes between 20,000 km (Nissan - front tyres) to about 40,000 km - other half's Toyota Yaris. Regards, Peter S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor R. Lopez To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [R129 SL] (no subject) please remove me from your mailing list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl Thu Feb 21 19:32:04 2008 From: J.kuylaars at kpnplanet.nl (Jan Kuylaars) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:32:04 +0100 Subject: [R129 SL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <008e01c8742d$36ecd460$0501010a@newbeb1e9bcff6> Message-ID: <002001c874ea$594e1d80$0202a8c0@medion1> Hay peter Here is the Flying Dutchmen back again. Moving to my other home has ended. Now my 500 Sl has a garage with a oil drain work hole and shiny tails. About the tires; I used 4 pairs the last 5 years as long as I got the car.I am using 18 inch wheels with 8.5 J The first fault the foreign owner made was to put there 265 tires on. The brand was Pirelli. But on the inside there became cracks , so I changed them to 225 Pirellis. After 18 months the new Pirellis'had the same problem. No warranty. They sell my cheaper ones : Chinese Wanli. After one year the Wanli had also this problem. The mechanic told me he had a lot of complaints for the same issue. He had bought Indonesian ones , and I could have them for buying price; 125 euro a piece. I did so , because I found that I have paid enough on tires, and they have trouble to put the tires on the wheels. With some soap and several pumping up the tire fits exactly with a loud bang. So the rubber is not for easy melting. I drive the tire now for about 7 months without problems and for my happiness with no shaking and enough power to the road. THERE IS ONE THING THAT I CHANGED: I HAVE SET MY TIRES FROM 2.2 BAR TO 2.8 ON THE BACK. GREETINGS -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com] Namens Peter S Verzonden: donderdag 21 februari 2008 2:58 Aan: SL Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: [R129 SL] (no subject) Hi Victor, None of us can remove you from the SL mailing list! I understand that you have to action it yourself. I am a member just like you and the master list for reply is held in a data base somewhere (in the world) - could be anywhere and on any server. Suggest you access the master mailing list and remove yourself as we can not do this for you. Incidentally, I would expect tyres to last a bit longer than three years depending upon use. The cars on my W123 last about a year (35- 40,000 km) where as the SL lasts about 3.5 years (30,000 km). My other 5 cars requires tyre changes between 20,000 km (Nissan - front tyres) to about 40,000 km - other half's Toyota Yaris. Regards, Peter S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor R. Lopez To: r129list at mbcoupes.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [R129 SL] (no subject) please remove me from your mailing list _____ The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing List -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: