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[x55@salty.org]

soory
didnt mean to start anything I just didnt like the comment about green text
on a black background my linux loves to do this so its not so strange that others
are doing it also,
maybe experement is a personal thing.

"A!" wrote:

> Frederic Madre wrote:
>
> > At 19:43 16/05/00 +0200, A! wrote:
> > >yes and I guess I am surprised to not see more of that dialog going on
> > >in lists across the net.
> >
> > it's nonetheless a very crucial topic,
>
> very
>
> > the one of "success" for online stuff (let's not talk of art, please)
>
> good idea.
>
> >
> >
> > this is why there is
> > popular pleine-peau
> >
> > and not
> > succesful pleine-peau
>
> what would it mean if pleine-peau were suddenly successful?
> the one who is sucessful is not the one who gets to define what 'successful' is.
> the beginning of the end?
> and why is that?
>
> >
> >
> > how does one measure success ? does one need it ?
>
> more importantly who measures success?
>
> > this is why I said I was glad you got the money, not the prize
>
> > I understand the need for money, the prize not
>
>  and we are of course just in it for the money :-)
> want to stress... maybe not to you or to other net creatives but to society at large that this type of work (online stuff)  is worth
> something is important to culture in general and worth supporting if entertaining or useful. an exchange of services. ecstacy for
> money.... again... porn sites do it all the time.... web designers do it all the time... individuals can and should use the net to
> avoid becoming part of the web 'industry' by just being themselves. by saying what you really mean.
>
> >
> >
> > I do not understand also _lots_ of things about this particular competition
> > why does the sfmoma need the webbys to award something, for instance ?
> >
> > street cred ?!
> >
>
> i don't think the webbys carry much street cred except among media companies in san francisco.
> the money was given to the sfmoma by a donor who choose to remain anonymous.
> i think the webbys was a good excuse for them to not have to put together their own ceremony, generate their own crowd... lots of
> people already there... the pr machine grinding away... they took advantage of it.
>
> >
> > >  maybe those concerned online just don't want to discuss it anymore or are hanging out in neigborhoods where they all agree....
> >
> > I think we have been disagreeing right here quite a lot!
> > let's disagree + qu'hier.
>
> ;-) yes
> but whatever happened to 7-11?
> it must still be around somewhere
> and those 0110101002.org kids
> did they retire or something?
>
> >
> >
> > > > and the antagonism with
> > > >  >the blinking-pixel fake-virus green-on-black semi-political
> > > > > >pseudo-critical "low-tech poser copy-paste" crap may be numbered.
> > > >
> > > > I find surprising
> > >
> > >in so far as what has been pushed as 'experiment' we've actually seen very little 'experimentation'
> >
> > mmm, but this phrase could also be interpreted easily as a direct stab at jodi.org
>
>  jodi was the original which was then copied and beaten to death by about half a million other 'experimenters'
> so why continue to call that stuff 'experimental'?
>
> a one liner
> or get into peoples bodies, memories, senses
>
> the choice is......
>
> >
> > but let's get back on track
> >
> > >sick of so called 'experiment'
> > >
> > >need some 'action'
> >
> > there is very little experiment without action
>
> exactly!
>
> >
> > in fact, experimentation is pure action
> >
> > so, let's call this something else than experiment
>
> salty started it :-P
>
> >
> > you shoot first, maybe by giving examples of experimentation
> >
> > for me vrml is experimentation
> > which fails
> >
> > >don't be fake
> > >http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
> > >
> > >be real........
> > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1837495.html?tag=st.cn.1.lthdne
> >
> > eh
> > but your work is quite far from online terrorism
> > no ?
>
> not what i meant but now that you mention it....
> all depends on whose eyes you're looking through, as with everything else.
>
> >
> >
> > computer viruses are not fiction
>
> i couldn't find the article where i read it but this kid who they accuse of the virus said he made it by accident. he was only
> trying to steal passwords to get free internet access.
>
> now thats experimentation....
>
> much respect,
> Au-
>
> palais-tokyo \\ + qu'hier et bien - que demain