Tr: RHIZOME_RAW: R=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=f. : Re: RHIZOME_RAW: new art examiner

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maybe because he's a very well known surrealist.


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> which clone did write this?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valery Grancher <vgrancher@seuil.com>
> To: Nino Rodriguez <nino@POBOX.COM>
> Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:24 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: R=E9f. : Re: RHIZOME_RAW: new art examiner
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> :
> :
> :
> : Hi,
> :
> :      I'm following this debate regarding net art and it seems to be
> interesting.
> : I would like to say my point of view:
> : As an artist playing with various media from photos, video and internet=
,
> on the
> : other hand in my country (France) I'm very well known as a net artist.
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> so am i
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> : I always asked myself what can we find behind net art:
> : is it a new kind of formalist media contemporary art as bad video art ?
> : is it a new conceptual way of feeling regarding networks and aesthetism=
?
> :
> : I guess with this last question. As Nino said, we should take care abou=
t
> browser
> : art and net art. Network is not just the web and the web is not the ent=
ire
> : internet.
> : Network may be interhuman relation and spaces. Of course internet and w=
eb
> is a
> : fabulous context to interact with a new kind of interhuman space and
> : interelationship dimension.
> : I want to mean that for me Peter Halley is in a way a kind of net artis=
t
> by
> : dealing with network connection regarding paintings, wand we are just i=
n
> front
> : of canvas in this case.
> :
> : Regarding any art, I guess that the most important thing is always the
> : conceptual background and the aesthetics dimensions of any production i=
n
> art
> : context. It may be web, internet, communication, wap, video, photo,
> installation
> : and i don't know what.
> :
> : I'm always reminding that the best video artist are always mixing
> something else
> : with video:
> : Douglas Gordon with new definition of temporality
> : Bill Viola and asian philosophy and paintings
> : Doug Aitken and TV
> : Dan Graham and urbanism
> : Bruce nauman and psychoalogy and so on so on ...
> :
> : If we are looking the net art right now in the major cases we can see t=
hat
> : artist are dealing with formalist character from net context.
> :
> : JODI and hmtl or java source
> : Vuk Cosik and ascii
> : Alexei Shulgin and form
> : Superbad and graphism
> :
> : it is like if video artist will play with larsen and video effect on
> screen as
> : did nam june paik or wolf wostell 30 years ago in fluxus context.
> : I guess that it is because we are in front of a very young aesthetics
> language.
> : On the others hand everything is changing very quickly and we can see n=
ew
> : generation of contemporary artist using web context by mixing web and
> other
> : fields like cinema (Olia Liliana) activism (Heath Bunting, etoys, rtmar=
k),
> : litterature (mark america) and symbolism and surealism (french net art
> scene).
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> which french net art scene are you talking about?
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> : I'm not saying the one is good and the other stupid... I'm just focusin=
g
> on the
> : fact that the most important factor in art is the meaning and this mean=
ing
> may
> : be formalist or conceptual.
> :
> : So That's why when we are talking about net art we should keep in mind
> that it
> : may be extended net art (net installations like I'm exhibiting in the
> museum all
> : over the world), or browser art !
> : I'm always saying that there are no 'in situ' but a 'mediatic situ', th=
ere
> is no
> : 'ready made' but 'time ready made'
> : Anyway the most important thing is art which may be outside any puritan=
ism
> like:
> : - net art should be outside institutions, free adn only visible through
> browser
> : !
> : - or ne art should be a part of art world and commercial with author ri=
ght
> !
> :  net art should be outside any dogma to do not become a new kind of ghe=
tto
> like
> : experimental cinema regarding video !
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> an interesting point that rejoin the copyleft debate which abort on this
> list
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> : the most important is not the way to produce art or the way to make it
> visible
> : but what the pieces are meaning and good meaning regarding aesthetism m=
ay
> be
> : everywhere also in daily life.
> : Internet, web and wap technology are just new tools.
> : the most important is what we mean with this new tools !
> : we are never saying that the hamer invented the cathedral ! so we shoul=
d
> keep
> : the same attitude with any new media tools.
> :
> : sorry for my poor english, I'm french and it is not my native language =
!
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> i'm unfortunately in the same case.
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> : Valery Grancher
> : vgrancher@nomemory.org
> : http://www.nomemory.org
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