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----- Original Message -----
From: Valery Grancher <vgrancher@seuil.com>
To: Nino Rodriguez <nino@POBOX.COM>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:24 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Réf. : Re: RHIZOME_RAW: new art examiner


:
:
:
: Hi,
:
:      I'm following this debate regarding net art and it seems to be
interesting.
: I would like to say my point of view:
: As an artist playing with various media from photos, video and internet,
on the
: other hand in my country (France) I'm very well known as a net artist.

so am i

: I always asked myself what can we find behind net art:
: is it a new kind of formalist media contemporary art as bad video art ?
: is it a new conceptual way of feeling regarding networks and aesthetism?
:
: I guess with this last question. As Nino said, we should take care about
browser
: art and net art. Network is not just the web and the web is not the entire
: internet.
: Network may be interhuman relation and spaces. Of course internet and web
is a
: fabulous context to interact with a new kind of interhuman space and
: interelationship dimension.
: I want to mean that for me Peter Halley is in a way a kind of net artist
by
: dealing with network connection regarding paintings, wand we are just in
front
: of canvas in this case.
:
: Regarding any art, I guess that the most important thing is always the
: conceptual background and the aesthetics dimensions of any production in
art
: context. It may be web, internet, communication, wap, video, photo,
installation
: and i don't know what.
:
: I'm always reminding that the best video artist are always mixing
something else
: with video:
: Douglas Gordon with new definition of temporality
: Bill Viola and asian philosophy and paintings
: Doug Aitken and TV
: Dan Graham and urbanism
: Bruce nauman and psychoalogy and so on so on ...
:
: If we are looking the net art right now in the major cases we can see that
: artist are dealing with formalist character from net context.
:
: JODI and hmtl or java source
: Vuk Cosik and ascii
: Alexei Shulgin and form
: Superbad and graphism
:
: it is like if video artist will play with larsen and video effect on
screen as
: did nam june paik or wolf wostell 30 years ago in fluxus context.
: I guess that it is because we are in front of a very young aesthetics
language.
: On the others hand everything is changing very quickly and we can see new
: generation of contemporary artist using web context by mixing web and
other
: fields like cinema (Olia Liliana) activism (Heath Bunting, etoys, rtmark),
: litterature (mark america) and symbolism and surealism (french net art
scene).


which french net art scene are you talking about?


: I'm not saying the one is good and the other stupid... I'm just focusing
on the
: fact that the most important factor in art is the meaning and this meaning
may
: be formalist or conceptual.
:
: So That's why when we are talking about net art we should keep in mind
that it
: may be extended net art (net installations like I'm exhibiting in the
museum all
: over the world), or browser art !
: I'm always saying that there are no 'in situ' but a 'mediatic situ', there
is no
: 'ready made' but 'time ready made'
: Anyway the most important thing is art which may be outside any puritanism
like:
: - net art should be outside institutions, free adn only visible through
browser
: !
: - or ne art should be a part of art world and commercial with author right
!
:  net art should be outside any dogma to do not become a new kind of ghetto
like
: experimental cinema regarding video !

an interesting point that rejoin the copyleft debate which abort on this
list


: the most important is not the way to produce art or the way to make it
visible
: but what the pieces are meaning and good meaning regarding aesthetism may
be
: everywhere also in daily life.
: Internet, web and wap technology are just new tools.
: the most important is what we mean with this new tools !
: we are never saying that the hamer invented the cathedral ! so we should
keep
: the same attitude with any new media tools.
:
: sorry for my poor english, I'm french and it is not my native language !

i'm unfortunately in the same case.

: Valery Grancher
: vgrancher@nomemory.org
: http://www.nomemory.org
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