[W126 Coupe] M1991 560 SEC value chart

[joe chiappinelli]

Gerry,

I guess it's most accurate to say that MB's final production run (1991) for
the 560 SEC consisted of 2,138 vehicles worldwide of which about half
(1,233) were sold in the US. Of these, 676 were sold in 1991 and another
557 were sold as left overs in 1992.

BTW, thank you for the link to the SL Market letter article on the 126 but
I could not access the link since I am not registered as a 500E site
member. Could you be so kind as to forward  a pdf copy to me at my
personnal email address joe.chiappinelli at gmail.com? I would very much
appreciate it..

Regards,
J.Chip

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at me.com> wrote:


> See conversation below….

>

> Cheers,

> Gerry

>

>

> On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:15 AM, J.Chip wrote:

>

>

> I've often been somewhat confused by the production numbers I've seen

> listed from various sources. While I'm fairly confident that the 2,138

> figure for 1991 is accurate, I'm not sure if the number represents

> worldwide production or just North American. If North American, how many

> were built solely for the US market? And the number produced may not

> accurately reflect the number sold. Your source seems to indicate 676 of

> the 2,138 produced were sold in the US. A 2007 posting on Benzworld (

>

> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1333987-production-numbers-560-sec.html

> )

> contains a document which appears to indicate 1,806 model year 1991 SECs

> were sold in the US market. I guess I remain confused.

>

>

>

> It's definitive that 2,138 SECs were produced worldwide for 1991 and ~676

> were US market imports.

>

> The 1,806 US production number for 1991 models from Benzworld is

> definitely erroneous.  I can definitely tell you that MB would not have

> imported 84.45% of all SECs produced that year to the US market.  There was

> still quite a large market for other countries (Germany among them) that

> would have soaked up far more than 15% of that year's overall production.

>  The cars were somewhat in demand as it was the last year of the model, and

> you can see this in the figures I posted, whereby more than 500 SECs were

> actually sold in calendar year 1992 !!

>

> BTW the second set of data is from the SL Market Letter.  Generally John

> Olson does his homework and the figures are close enough to the first set I

> have (which were independently obtained) that I put good trust in Olson's

> data.

>

> And this leads to another problem I have with Benzworld.org. Quite a bit

> of the "information" that is found there is false and/or erroneous. Often

> times it's someone talking out of their a$$ with no proof to back up their

> claims. Just sayin'.   IMHO that forum has very very little credibility

> these days, and over the past few years many of the more knowledgeable

> folks have either left on their own discretion or have been banned for

> calling out the BS posted by others.  [ As you can tell I have strong

> opinions about Benzworld and those who post crap information there as

> Gospel. ]

>

>

>

> Back to my value question. Let's say only 676 WERE sold in the US in 1991.

> I have documented 137 of those 676 by VIN # in my database. Let's also say

> that the examples out there that have the best chance of reaching some

> level of collector status would need to be low mileage cars in excellent,

> original condition. Let's further say that such cars would need to have

> 100,000 miles or less since high mileage examples would be more likely to

> need some work and these cars would be expensive to restore to

> "collectible" condition.  Of the 137 currently in my database, only 40, or

> 29% have less than 100,000 miles. If my database is a fair representation,

> that would mean that there are less that 200 1991 560 SECs remaining with

> the potential to reach collectible status. Of course this is all very

> unscientific but 200 is a small enough figure to drive prices up for

> collectors seeking a prime example of the last and best model year for

> these coupes.

>

>

> No arguments in general with what you are saying. It's very similar to the

> type of reasoning have used for the 500E market.  In the absence of hard

> data you have to keep things general, but the data you have collected I

> think can definitely lead to some reasonable conclusions.  There is no

> question that prices for the best cars (Condition 1 and 2) are headed

> upward -- this has always been a prime tenet of John Olson with regard to

> his philosophy on collectables (i.e. only go for 1 and 2 cars, and forget

> the rest as it's prohibitive to restore them).

>

> The only comment I'd have is that mileage is a general/directional

> indicator of condition, but not always true. We've all seen SECs with 75K

> miles on them that are in far worse condition than those with 200K on them.

>  That's certainly more the exception than the rule, so your assumptions are

> the correct path to proceed.

>

> You can see a PDF copy of the SL Market Letter article on SECs (including

> price guide) here:

>

>

> http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?787-SL-Market-Letter-article-on-C126-SECs

>

>

> BTW...I believe it was last year sometime that the Mercedes Claasic Center

> officially recognized the 126 coupe as a "young classic", a distinction

> indicating future collectible status.

>

>

> That is correct. I have posted MB's press documents pertaining to this in

> the SEC sub-board on my 500E site.  MB's "Young Classic" designation though

> is something they bestow on platforms in general once they reach a certain

> age.  I've also seen 126 sedan, 201, 123 and 124s designated "Young

> Classic" status, yet very very few models from those chassis are

> collectable.

>

> http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?682-The-126-coupe

>

>

> Here's an example where they designated the W124 chassis as a "Young

> Classic":

>

>

> http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?427-Daimler-declares-W124-an-official-quot-Young-Classic-quot

>

>

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