[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 84, Issue 2
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Thanks.
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3. Re: Battery for 560 (Jonathan Hodgman)
4. Re: Battery for 560 (Robert Karl Stonjek)
5. Re: Battery for 560 (Dan Landiss)
6. Re: Battery for 560 (Jason Mavris)
7. Re: Battery for 560 (gerryvz)
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i went to sears, and they put in the exact fit battery--it's worked
perfectly for four years, now, and has tons of power. didn't seem to
make sense to mess around with it, for the minor savings i would have
derived. in the northeast, we have heat and we have cold, that's for
sure.
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New York, NY 10128
Cel: 212.289.0087
Fax: 347.438.3211
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> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:05:16 +1000
> From: "Robert Karl Stonjek"<rstonjek at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
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> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>
> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of 105.
That battery was hopeless.
>
> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but
it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>
> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>
> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>
> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>
> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight of
$50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is
a 'maintenance free' battery.
>
> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>
> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
>
> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop
and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably
leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>
> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent downward,
maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>
> Robert
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> From: Markus Meyer<markusfmeyer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
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> I've had the best luck with Interstate Batteries. The one I replaced in
my
> last 560 had exceeded the warranty period by almost 2 years. I have one
in
> one of my other cars now that is 10 years old and still going. The one
in
> another car is 7 years old and still going.
>
> Mercedes used to use that brand but has recently switched to Deka.
>
> Markus
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Robert Karl
Stonjek<rstonjek at bigpond.net.au
>> wrote:
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>>
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the
>> original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of
105.
>> That battery was hopeless.
>>
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
>> This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone,
but it
>> never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>>
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>>
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be
>> no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
>> (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>>
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>>
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive
>> ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight
of
>> $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This
is a
>> 'maintenance free' battery.
>>
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate
>> construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>>
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you
>> get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have
>> so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
>> (10:1) euro version.
>>
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one
>> at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side
>> bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
>> significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
>> condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in
another
>> hop and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably
>> leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>>
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent downward,
>> maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>>
>> Robert
>>
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> From: "Day . Ralph"<RDay at drc.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
> Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> I am not familiar with the brands downunder, but I replaced mine with an
Interstate battery about eight years ago. I live in a climate with
extremes, e.g. very warm to cold, and the battery hasn't failed yet. I don't
know if Interstate batteries are available in Oz.
>
> Ralph D. Day
> Senior Program Manager/ASQ LSS Certified Black Belt
> MDA Master Black Belt
> Dynamics Research Corporation
> (301) 275-9030 (cell)
>
> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Robert Karl Stonjek
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 2:05 AM
> To: MB Coupes
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>
> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>
> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of 105.
That battery was hopeless.
>
> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but
it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>
> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>
> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>
> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>
> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight of
$50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is
a 'maintenance free' battery.
>
> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>
> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
>
> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop
and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably
leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>
> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent downward,
maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>
> Robert
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> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 08:46:45 -0500
> From: Dan Landiss<dan at landiss.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
> Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> I concur with the others that Interstate batteries are just fine. Have
> you considered that the problem may be the charging system, not the
> batteries? The required charging voltage varies with temperature, but
> from a 0?C cold start 14.5 to 15.o VDC is not excessive. As under-hood
> temperatures rise that should fall to around 14 VDC.
>
> Charts here:<http://landiss.com/battery.htm>.
>
> The voltage regulator for your Bosch alternator is part of the brush
> assembly and can be separately replaced. You should be able to find one
> rated at the correct charging voltage. Owners of Escort radar detectors
> might note that your display can often be switched to read battery
voltage.
>
> on 5/3/2011 1:05 AM Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
>> the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC
>> of 105. That battery was hopeless.
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of
>> 135. This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now
>> gone, but it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my
>> opinion.
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
>> should be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be
>> taller than 175 (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
>> expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to
>> pay freight of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available
>> locally). This is a 'maintenance free' battery.
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
>> plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
>> manufacturer).
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
>> you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1)
>> don't have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher
>> compression (10:1) euro version.
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
>> hit one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand
>> (driver's) side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but
>> doing no other significant damage. The roo was killed outright and
>> was in very messy condition. Had I been going slower it would have
>> had time to put in another hop and would have been caught right in the
>> middle of my grill, probably leaving the car undrivable and very
>> expensively damaged.
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
>> downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 10:15:32 -0400
From: kddinsmore at yahoo.com
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I put a DieHard in with a 7 Year warranty. $135.00 works great and I store
my car in the winter with no tender on the battle
David Leonard <pfc at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>i went to sears, and they put in the exact fit battery--it's worked
>perfectly for four years, now, and has tons of power. didn't seem to
>make sense to mess around with it, for the minor savings i would have
>derived. in the northeast, we have heat and we have cold, that's for
sure.
>
>____________________
>David Leonard
>Director
>pfc Opinion Research
>New York, NY 10128
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>Fax: 347.438.3211
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>> 1. Battery for 560 (Robert Karl Stonjek)
>> 2. Re: Battery for 560 (Markus Meyer)
>> 3. Re: Battery for 560 (Day . Ralph)
>> 4. Re: Battery for 560 (Dan Landiss)
>> 5. Re: Battery for 560 (Robert Karl Stonjek)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:05:16 +1000
>> From: "Robert Karl Stonjek"<rstonjek at bigpond.net.au>
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>> To: "MB Coupes"<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:<00da01cc0958$12ec7480$0500a8c0 at RobertPrescott>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>>
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of
105. That battery was hopeless.
>>
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but
it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>>
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>>
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>>
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>>
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight
of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is
a 'maintenance free' battery.
>>
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>>
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
>>
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop
and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably
leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>>
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>>
>> Robert
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>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:57:33 -0400
>> From: Markus Meyer<markusfmeyer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
>> Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> I've had the best luck with Interstate Batteries. The one I replaced
in my
>> last 560 had exceeded the warranty period by almost 2 years. I have
one in
>> one of my other cars now that is 10 years old and still going. The one
in
>> another car is 7 years old and still going.
>>
>> Mercedes used to use that brand but has recently switched to Deka.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Robert Karl
Stonjek<rstonjek at bigpond.net.au
>>> wrote:
>>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>>>
>>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the
>>> original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of
105.
>>> That battery was hopeless.
>>>
>>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
>>> This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone,
but it
>>> never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>>>
>>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>>>
>>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
should be
>>> no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
>>> (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>>>
>>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>>>
>>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive
>>> ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight
of
>>> $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This
is a
>>> 'maintenance free' battery.
>>>
>>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate
>>> construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>>>
>>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you
>>> get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have
>>> so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
>>> (10:1) euro version.
>>>
>>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
hit one
>>> at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side
>>> bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
>>> significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
>>> condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in
another
>>> hop and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill,
probably
>>> leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>>>
>>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
downward,
>>> maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> The MB Coupes Website!
>>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:20:19 +0000
>> From: "Day . Ralph"<RDay at drc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
>> Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>> Message-ID:<C0AE040F72F17C4ABE873EC37E09816B061FBD at DRCMAIL.drc.com>
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>> I am not familiar with the brands downunder, but I replaced mine with
an Interstate battery about eight years ago. I live in a climate with
extremes, e.g. very warm to cold, and the battery hasn't failed yet. I don't
know if Interstate batteries are available in Oz.
>>
>> Ralph D. Day
>> Senior Program Manager/ASQ LSS Certified Black Belt
>> MDA Master Black Belt
>> Dynamics Research Corporation
>> (301) 275-9030 (cell)
>>
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Robert Karl Stonjek
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 2:05 AM
>> To: MB Coupes
>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>>
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>>
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of
105. That battery was hopeless.
>>
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but
it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>>
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>>
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>>
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>>
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight
of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is
a 'maintenance free' battery.
>>
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>>
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
>>
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's)
side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop
and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably
leaving the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>>
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>>
>> Robert
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>> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 08:46:45 -0500
>> From: Dan Landiss<dan at landiss.com>
>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
>> To: Robert Karl Stonjek<stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
>> Mailing Lists<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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>> I concur with the others that Interstate batteries are just fine. Have
>> you considered that the problem may be the charging system, not the
>> batteries? The required charging voltage varies with temperature, but
>> from a 0?C cold start 14.5 to 15.o VDC is not excessive. As under-hood
>> temperatures rise that should fall to around 14 VDC.
>>
>> Charts here:<http://landiss.com/battery.htm>.
>>
>> The voltage regulator for your Bosch alternator is part of the brush
>> assembly and can be separately replaced. You should be able to find one
>> rated at the correct charging voltage. Owners of Escort radar detectors
>> might note that your display can often be switched to read battery
voltage.
>>
>> on 5/3/2011 1:05 AM Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
>>> the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC
>>> of 105. That battery was hopeless.
>>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of
>>> 135. This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now
>>> gone, but it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my
>>> opinion.
>>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
>>> should be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be
>>> taller than 175 (current battery height), but no more than around
200mm.
>>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
>>> expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to
>>> pay freight of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available
>>> locally). This is a 'maintenance free' battery.
>>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
>>> plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
>>> manufacturer).
>>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
>>> you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1)
>>> don't have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher
>>> compression (10:1) euro version.
>>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
>>> hit one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand
>>> (driver's) side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but
>>> doing no other significant damage. The roo was killed outright and
>>> was in very messy condition. Had I been going slower it would have
>>> had time to put in another hop and would have been caught right in the
>>> middle of my grill, probably leaving the car undrivable and very
>>> expensively damaged.
>>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
>>> downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 10:37:13 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
To: Robert Karl Stonjek <stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
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Group 49 AGM. Flooded batteries are weak in comparison.
This side of the pond you can do well w/ Deka/Remy. 100% made in the
USA and less then half the price MB charges for the same damn battery.
These things were reserved for BIG trucks and marine grade apps until
relatively recently.
Jonathan
On 5/3/2011 2:05 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
> the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC
> of 105. That battery was hopeless.
> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of
> 135. This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now
> gone, but it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my
> opinion.
> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
> should be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be
> taller than 175 (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
> expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to
> pay freight of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available
> locally). This is a 'maintenance free' battery.
> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
> plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
> manufacturer).
> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
> you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1)
> don't have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher
> compression (10:1) euro version.
> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
> hit one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand
> (driver's) side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but
> doing no other significant damage. The roo was killed outright and
> was in very messy condition. Had I been going slower it would have
> had time to put in another hop and would have been caught right in the
> middle of my grill, probably leaving the car undrivable and very
> expensively damaged.
> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
> downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
> Robert
>
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Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 01:00:48 +1000
From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <rstonjek at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
To: "MB Coupes" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Thanks, Dan,
I just ran a test using a Fluke Scopemeter and the charging voltage from
cold (12?C outside) it is charging at just under 14V dropping to 8.55 during
cranking (charged the battery yesterday).
Here's the printout from the Scopemeter. The unit was connected when the
engine was off, then the engine started (the dip), then revved a bit (the
peak), then all lights on and finally switched off (the trough at the end).
The battery I'm looking at does not have any silver in it that I am aware
of.
I'll retest it after a run (when the underhood temperature is higher).
I'll check with the battery supplier as to the right charging voltage for
the battery I've selected.
BTW Interstate batteries are not available locally, but when I was
researching UPS (sealed lead-acid) batteries I discovered that almost none of the
brands manufacture batteries themselves. The location of the manufacture
of the batteries seemed to be the biggest determinant eg Taiwanese good,
Chinese bad (for 'CBS' brand UPS batteries).
Robert
I concur with the others that Interstate batteries are just fine. Have you
considered that the problem may be the charging system, not the batteries?
The required charging voltage varies with temperature, but from a 0?C cold
start 14.5 to 15.o VDC is not excessive. As under-hood temperatures rise
that should fall to around 14 VDC.
Charts here: <http://landiss.com/battery.htm>.
The voltage regulator for your Bosch alternator is part of the brush
assembly and can be separately replaced. You should be able to find one rated at
the correct charging voltage. Owners of Escort radar detectors might note
that your display can often be switched to read battery voltage.
on 5/3/2011 1:05 AM Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate, the
original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of 105.
That battery was hopeless.
I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but it
never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should be
no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is expensive
($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight of
$50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is a
'maintenance free' battery.
The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can you
get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't have
so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's) side
bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop
and would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably leaving
the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent downward,
maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
Robert
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 10:13:54 -0500
From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
To: Robert Karl Stonjek <stonjek at ozemail.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes
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Robert, as I interpolate the chart for hybrid batteries, at 12?C a
charging voltage of 14.5 - 14.9 VDC would be appropriate. 14.0 VDC would
be the minimum -- at 60?C (battery temperature)! Unfortunately I doubt
that your battery supplier knows the charging details.
The slight amount of silver reported to be in Optima batteries does not
seem to change the hybrid-chemistry recommendations.
Note that my "1988 300TE charging at about 13.9 volts has frequent
battery problems, while a 1991 560SEC which charges at about 14.1 volts
has caused little trouble."
Nice scope!
on 5/3/2011 10:00 AM Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
> Thanks, Dan,
> I just ran a test using a Fluke Scopemeter and the charging voltage
> from cold (12?C outside) it is charging at just under 14V dropping to
> 8.55 during cranking (charged the battery yesterday).
> Here's the printout from the Scopemeter. The unit was connected when
> the engine was off, then the engine started (the dip), then revved a
> bit (the peak), then all lights on and finally switched off (the
> trough at the end).
> The battery I'm looking at does not have any silver in it that I am
> aware of.
> I'll retest it after a run (when the underhood temperature is higher).
> I'll check with the battery supplier as to the right charging voltage
> for the battery I've selected.
> BTW Interstate batteries are not available locally, but when I was
> researching UPS (sealed lead-acid) batteries I discovered that almost
> none of the brands manufacture batteries themselves. The location of
> the manufacture of the batteries seemed to be the biggest determinant
> eg Taiwanese good, Chinese bad (for 'CBS' brand UPS batteries).
> Robert
>
> I concur with the others that Interstate batteries are just fine. Have
> you considered that the problem may be the charging system, not the
> batteries? The required charging voltage varies with temperature, but
> from a 0?C cold start 14.5 to 15.o VDC is not excessive. As under-hood
> temperatures rise that should fall to around 14 VDC.
>
> Charts here: <http://landiss.com/battery.htm>.
>
> The voltage regulator for your Bosch alternator is part of the brush
> assembly and can be separately replaced. You should be able to find
> one rated at the correct charging voltage. Owners of Escort radar
> detectors might note that your display can often be switched to read
> battery voltage.
>
> on 5/3/2011 1:05 AM Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
>> the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC
>> of 105. That battery was hopeless.
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of
>> 135. This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now
>> gone, but it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my
>> opinion.
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
>> should be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be
>> taller than 175 (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
>> expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to
>> pay freight of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available
>> locally). This is a 'maintenance free' battery.
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
>> plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
>> manufacturer).
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
>> you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1)
>> don't have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the
>> higher compression (10:1) euro version.
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
>> hit one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand
>> (driver's) side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp
>> but doing no other significant damage. The roo was killed outright
>> and was in very messy condition. Had I been going slower it would
>> have had time to put in another hop and would have been caught right
>> in the middle of my grill, probably leaving the car undrivable and
>> very expensively damaged.
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
>> downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 11:59:52 -0400
From: Jason Mavris <mavris2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
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Agreed deka would be way to go. Napa brand is supplied by deka unless
something has changed. That info came to me via the deka distribution center
where I'm at.
Jason
Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com> wrote:
>Group 49 AGM. Flooded batteries are weak in comparison.
>
>This side of the pond you can do well w/ Deka/Remy. 100% made in the
>USA and less then half the price MB charges for the same damn battery.
>
>These things were reserved for BIG trucks and marine grade apps until
>relatively recently.
>
>Jonathan
>
>On 5/3/2011 2:05 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
>> the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC
>> of 105. That battery was hopeless.
>> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of
>> 135. This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now
>> gone, but it never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my
>> opinion.
>> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery
>> should be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be
>> taller than 175 (current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
>> DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
>> expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to
>> pay freight of $50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available
>> locally). This is a 'maintenance free' battery.
>> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
>> plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
>> manufacturer).
>> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
>> you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1)
>> don't have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher
>> compression (10:1) euro version.
>> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I
>> hit one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand
>> (driver's) side bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but
>> doing no other significant damage. The roo was killed outright and
>> was in very messy condition. Had I been going slower it would have
>> had time to put in another hop and would have been caught right in the
>> middle of my grill, probably leaving the car undrivable and very
>> expensively damaged.
>> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent
>> downward, maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> The MB Coupes Website!
>> W126 SEC Mailing List
>> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 15:10:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: gerryvz <gerryvz at me.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Battery for 560
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Interstate Batteries are by far the best available, at least here in the
States.
Older Mercedes-Benz cars require a Group 93 size battery (or Group 49 as
an alternative) which is a size that is common for German cars (BMW, Audi,
MB, etc.).
I have exclusively gone to Interstate batteries for my MB fleet and indeed
they have always exceeded the rated warranty lifetime -- it is not a
stretch to get 8+ years from an Interstate high-end battery.
The Interstate battery that fits the 560SEC / C126 is the Interstate
MegaTron Plus MTP-93, which has 1000 amps, 850 cold-cranking amps and an
85-month warranty. It has more than enough power to power any V-8 MB in the
C126/W126. I believe DIN85 or DIN100 are the correct sizes that equate to the
Group 49 or Group 93 US battery sizes. The Federal 649MF would look to be the
best Australian battery for the SEC application, in my opinion.
I just recently installed said battery in my 1987 560SL and my 1994 E500
(W124) as well as installing in the past the slightly smaller MTP-91 in my
wife's 1995 E320 wagon (W124).
Here are a couple of places to look for them in Australia:
http://www.rjbatt.com.au/battery/industrial-batteries/88
http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/batbrand.htm
Good luck!
Cheers,
Gerry?
On May 03, 2011, at 09:01 AM, mbcoupes-request at mbcoupes.com wrote:
>
>
>
> What's the best battery for a 560SEC (euro, higher compression)?
>
> The last two batteries in my car do not appear to have been adequate,
the original (on purchase) being Bosch BDIW65I with CCA of 550 and RC of 105
That battery was hopeless.
>
> I had it replaced with a Century DIN 85L with CCA of 600 and RC of 135.
This is a bigger battery but it only lasted 5 years and is now gone, but it
never really cranked the motor over fast enough in my opinion.
>
> The owner's manual suggests a 91A/h battery.
>
> Online battery selectors suggest DIN 88 or DIN 100. The battery should
be no more than 350*175mm by my measurement. It could be taller than 175
(current battery height), but no more than around 200mm.
>
> Batteries I've seen online include the Federal 649MF (900CCA, 100A/h,
DIN95) but they are hard to get and expensive in Oz.
>
> The Dekor 58515 (DIN88L) looks good (CCA 750, RC 165) but it is
expensive ($70 more than the battery I last purchased plus I have to pay freight of
$50 to get down to where I live ie it is not available locally). This is a
'maintenance free' battery.
>
> The main physical difference between DIN88 and DIN100 is 19 verses 21
plate construction (outside dimensions can be the same depending on
manufacturer).
>
> It looks like DIN100 is the best option, but what brand and where can
you get them from (in Oz). I suppose the low compression cars (9:1) don't
have so much of a problem with cold cranking (CCA) as the higher compression
(10:1) euro version.
>
> And another problem you probably don't have ~ hitting kangaroos. I hit
one at 140kph a few days ago. It hit on the lower right hand (driver's) side
bending the bumper bar and destroying the fog lamp but doing no other
significant damage. The roo was killed outright and was in very messy
condition. Had I been going slower it would have had time to put in another hop and
would have been caught right in the middle of my grill, probably leaving
the car undrivable and very expensively damaged.
>
> Not quite sure how I'm going to straighten the bumper (is bent downward,
maybe a couple of cm ie an inch).
>
> Robert
>
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