[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 2

[JONATHAN REYES]

interior temperature ( overhead by the reading lights ) if you follow the
hose connected to that sensor , it goes directly to the aspirator motor ,
which determines interior temperature that tell's the HVAC control unit
which way to adjust . hot , warm or cold .

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>   1. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (calvin young)

>   2. Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 (Markus Meyer)

>   3. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)

>   4. Heater Blower (Camran Nassiri)

>   5. Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)

>   6. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>   7. Re: Heater Blower (Markus Meyer)

>   8. Re: Heater Blower (mavris2)

>   9. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Josh Allen)

>  10. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>  11. Re: Heater Blower (Ronny 560sec)

>  12. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (H?land, ?ge)

>  13. Re: Heater Blower (Chet Hwilka)

>  14. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Chet Hwilka)

>  15. Re: Seat belt presenter + motor operation (Dick Spellman)

>  16. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Henry Viveiros)

>  17. Re: Fouled Spark Plug (Camran Nassiri)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:36 -0400

> From: "calvin young" <calvinyoung at cox.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

> To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <7A7EF8896CD3452D806265C369CEE2A9 at calvinPC>

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>

> thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately, the

> 83

> has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

> arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

> rests.

> This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as these

> will

> not go on the list.

>

> As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

> engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

> issue

> is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a rubber

> gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to these

> flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been

> for

> some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is why

> the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing

> the

> glass.

>

> Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange is

> not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new driver's

> door glass.

>

> Thanks again

>

> Cal

>

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

> > From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

> >

> > Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed

> > slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy way.

> > It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

> > regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially once

> > you've done it the first time.

> >

> > Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

> >

> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

> >

> > Jaw types:

> > right angle

> >

> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

> >

> > flat

> >

> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

> >

> >

> > I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from looking

> > my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just like

> > my SD did.

> >

> > Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of these

> > sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a die

> > grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

> >

> > -Josh

>

>

>

>

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> Message: 2

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:56:26 -0400

> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Not sure I followed the entire thread here, but in my case, the glass

> itself

> came "unglued" from the track, so I had a glass place apply some new glue

> to

> hold it in place.  They don't use that entire rubber gasket idea anymore.

>

> The track then attaches to the scissors type arm that moves the window up

> and down via the motor and toothed wheel.  The frame is bolted to the door.

> A common failure point from twisting/flexing over the years is these

> attachment points, either the glass to the track, the toothed wheel at the

> motor, or the attachment points at the door.  I got lucky on another car

> and

> just had the one bolt come loose, all did not and the hole itself wasn't

> sheared larger so I was able to reinstall with a washer.

>

> Markus

>

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, calvin young <calvinyoung at cox.net> wrote:

>

> > thanks Josh for such a lot of work and complete info.  Unfortunately, the

> > 83 has a different setup, I believe.  It does not use a sliding jaw

> > arrangement.  Instead it has a 90 degree graket upon which the window

> rests.

> > This item is bolted on.  I will send you pics to your computer as these

> will

> > not go on the list.

> >

> > As I got further into this item, I am, as always impressed with MB

> > engineering.  Usually very simple and effective, but also strong.  The

> issue

> > is with the metal rod that holds the glass.  This rod rests in a rubber

> > gasket.  On the rod are three flanges.  The regulator attaches to these

> > flanges.  In my case, two of the three are broken and probably have been

> for

> > some time.  I doubt if the rod is a separately purchased item, which is

> why

> > the previous owner's mechanic just put the regulator in without changing

> the

> > glass.

> >

> > Hope I can locate the flange or even a broken glass in which the flange

> is

> > not longer needed.  Failing that, I might have to purchase a new driver's

> > door glass.

> >

> > Thanks again

> >

> > Cal

> >

> >

> >> Message: 2

> >> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:58:19 -0700

> >> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

> >> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Regulator Woes

> >>

> >> Read the first linked article, it shows good pictures of what a failed

> >> slide jaw looks like, and walks you through replacing one the easy way.

> >> It's not particularly fun to do, but much cheaper than buying a whole

> >> regulator, and shouldn't take more than an hour or two, especially once

> >> you've done it the first time.

> >>

> >> Here are a few links about the sliding jaw.

> >>

> >>

> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256862&highlight=slide+jaw+w126

> >>

> >> Jaw types:

> >> right angle

> >>

> >>

> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200042

> >>

> >> flat

> >>

> >>

> https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=nigm0xjyjx2xtw55lqxvanaj&partnumber=1267200142

> >>

> >>

> >> I haven't had to work on the windows on my SEC as yet, but from looking

> >> my car up in the EPC, it looks like the SEC's use the flat jaw just like

> >> my SD did.

> >>

> >> Following the guide linked above, I was able to replace a pair of these

> >> sliding jaws without needing a punch to secure the new jaw, though a die

> >> grinder or drill makes removing the old one much easier.

> >>

> >> -Josh

> >>

> >

> >

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> Message: 3

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:19:27 -0400

> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

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> Hi Asge,

>

> This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>

> >From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to

> this

> link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder) for more

> info on how to repair.   <

>

> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

> >

>

> I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the metal

> gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.  I

> think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes or

> resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>

> Regards,

> Dick

>

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>

> >  Hello SEC-fans.

> >

> > I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

> > motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

> motor

> > started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse

> > is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side

> > panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black

> > box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem the

> > motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

> fixed.

> > I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

> >

> > I would appreciate very much your advice.

> >

> > Regards

> > Aage Haaland

> > Norway

> >

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> Message: 4

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:09 -0700

> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>

> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.

>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

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> Message: 5

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:20 -0700

> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

> cleaned

> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

> side?

>

> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

> while-I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

> seals.

>

> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

> the

> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug

> to

> determine the correct size to use? I haven't been able to "feel" if I am

> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

> the

> plug)? I don't want to cause any more problems than I already have.

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> Message: 6

> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:02:42 -0700

> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>

> What is an aspirator motor?

>

> Ronny

>

>

> From: Camran Nassiri

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.

>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Message: 7

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400

> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past

> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run higher

> or

> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is correct.

>

> Markus

>

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net

> >wrote:

>

> >  What is an aspirator motor?

> >

> > Ronny

> >

> >  *From:* Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

> > *To:* MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> > *Subject:* [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> >

> > I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out

> that

> > the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> > screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I

> bought

> > and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still

> there

> > even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold

> mornings.

> > After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> > aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same

> rabbit

> > trail I followed.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Camran

> > 91 420SEL, 80 240D

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

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> Message: 8

> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:41:18 -0400

> From: mavris2 <mavris2 at comcast.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

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> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the

> climate control system

> Jason

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

> What is an aspirator motor?

> ?

> Ronny?

>

> From: Camran Nassiri

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.? I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.? I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.? The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.?

> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.? This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

>

> The MB Coupes Website!

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> Message: 9

> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:34:48 -0700

> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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> On 9/1/2010 2:24 PM, Henry Viveiros wrote:

> >

> > My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed

> > the problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal.

> > They cleaned the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the

> > right or left side?

> >

> > My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in

> > a while---I'm really not into taking the engine apart to replace the

> > valve seals.

> >

> > When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and

> > not the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket

> > onto the plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven't been

> > able to "feel" if I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to

> > cause any problems (breaking the plug)? I don't want to cause any more

> > problems than I already have.

> >

> >

>

>

> If I remember correctly, it was the larger of the two common plug socket

> sizes, and I see no reason you'd damage the plug, as long as you're

> reasonably careful about not just jamming it in there and pushing some

> more!

>

> As to cylinder numbering, on the M117 engine, cylinders 1-4 are the

> right bank, front to rear, with 4-6 on the left bank, front to rear.

>

> http://www.autotrend.us/firingorder126.JPG

>

> -Josh

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> Message: 10

> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:18 -0700

> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Thank you,

>

> Ronny

>

>

> From: Markus Meyer

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:21 PM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

> There is a little motor that sucks the air through the overhead area past

> the temp sensor to help decide in auto mode if  the fan should run higher or

> slower.  Its located to the right of the glovebox if my memory is correct.

>

> Markus

>

>

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> wrote:

>

>  What is an aspirator motor?

>

>  Ronny

>

>

>  From: Camran Nassiri

>  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

>  To: MBZ Club 560SEC

>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

>  I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.

>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

>  Thanks,

>  Camran

>  91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Message: 11

> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:48:37 -0700

> From: "Ronny 560sec" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Thank you,

>

> Ronny

>

>

> From: mavris2

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:41 PM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

> I belive its the one thats for the interior cabin sensor i belive for the

> climate control system

> Jason

>

>

>

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> From: Ronny 560sec <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:02 PM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

> What is an aspirator motor?

>

> Ronny

>

>

> From: Camran Nassiri

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:52 PM

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.

>  After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

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> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:15:30 +0200

> From: "H?land, ?ge" <aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

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> Hi Dick.

> Thank you for your advice an .

>

> I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly

> all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

> What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even the

> ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

> As a none technical person I can not understand this.

>

> If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate that

> very much.

>

> Have a nice day.

>

> Regars Aage

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>        Fra: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] P? vegne av Dick Spellman

>        Sendt: 1. september 2010 19:19

>        Til: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

>        Emne: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

>

>

>        Hi Asge,

>

>        This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

> problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

> retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

>

>        From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go

> to this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)

> for more info on how to repair.   <

> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

> >

>

>        I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the

> metal gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.

>  I think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes

> or resells these aluminum replacement gears.

>

>        Regards,

>        Dick

>

>

>        On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>

>

>                Hello SEC-fans.

>

>                I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986

> concerning the motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the

> seat belt motor started running all the time even the ignition is off and

> even the fuse is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened

> the side panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a

> black box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem

> the motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

> fixed. I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

>

>                I would appreciate very much your advice.

>

>                Regards

>                Aage Haaland

>                Norway

>

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> Message: 13

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:44:00 -0400

> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Boy that's weird.. Coincidently, I just replaced mine today..

>

>

>

> Got it from:

>

> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym

> <

> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=oeyk1k551edymsvo3qnk2xym&

>

> makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC%20%26%20He

> at%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor>

> &makeid=800016 at Mercedes&modelid=1195219 at 560SEC&year=1989&cid=24 at AC

> %20%26%20H

> eat%20-%20Climate%20Control&gid=11314 at HVAC%20Sampler%20Blower%20Motor

>

>

>

> Chet

>

>

>

>  _____

>

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Camran Nassiri

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:52 PM

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Heater Blower

>

>

>

> I wanted to let you guys know that after 3 blower motors we found out that

> the noise was actually coming from the aspirator motor.  I kept hearing

> screeching noises from the area where the heater blower motor is.  I bought

> and replaced the motor three times to no avail.  The noise was still there

> even with the heater/AC switched off; especially during the cold mornings.

> After three motors it was determined that the noise was coming from the

> aspirator motor.  This is so you guys know and don't follow the same rabbit

> trail I followed.

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

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> Message: 14

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

> From: "Chet Hwilka" <chwilka at comcast.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has a

> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as you?re

> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think ?

> &

> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions and

> a

> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

>

> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get gunked

> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads in

> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

> power tools on spark plugs.

>

> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just the

> seal.

>

>

>

> Chet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  _____

>

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

>

>

> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They

> cleaned

> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left

> side?

>

> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

> seals.

>

> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

> the

> part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the plug

> to

> determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if I am

> actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems (breaking

> the

> plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already have.

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> Message: 15

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:28:53 -0400

> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Hi Aage,

>

> It has been a long while since I worked on the extender circuit and gear.

> The limit switch is designed to cycle the motor off when the arm reaches

> its

> limit and to avoid dmaging those gears.  The fact that your gears are

> running continuously is a concern.  What position is the extended arm while

> this is happening?

>

> The electrical circuit includes the seatbelt buckle (latch) and one of the

> door pin switches.  The door pin switch provides state of door open

> (retract

> arm) closed (extend arm).  This is 'anded' with the state of the seatbelt

> latch. 1. buckled (no action) regardless of door state or 2. unbuckled and

> door closed (extend arm).  I think that is the logic flow.

>

> The limit switch is tied to motor cut-off only and is a function of the

> arms

> position 1. fully retracted -stop the motor or 2. fully extended - stop the

> motor.  The limit switch does require movement (motor torque) to activate.

> This is the function that preserves the gears from being stipped and/or the

> motor being damaged.

>

> I hope this helps.  In terms of what you can do...Check the door pin switch

> and then check the seatbelt fastener (latch) by disconnecting each from the

> chassis electrical harness and reading the state change of each using a

> simple VOHM meter.   Be careful not to lose the pin switch leads in the

> door

> frame recess.   I have to pull the pin switch on my SEC to see what the

> normal state is or perhaps someone else can chime in that knows.

>

> Regards,

> Dick

>

> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:15 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

> aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

>

> >  Hi Dick.

> > Thank you for your advice an .

> >

> > I opened the side panel and can see the 2 plastic gears running smoothly

> > all the time; is the limit switch dependant of the plastic gears.

> > What confuse me in addition is that the extender motor is running even

> the

> > ignition is off and the fuse for extender motor is out.

> > As a none technical person I can not understand this.

> >

> > If you have any additional information / ideas I wold have appreciate

> that

> > very much.

> >

> > Have a nice day.

> >

> > Regars Aage

> >

> >  ------------------------------

> > *Fra:* mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:

> mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> > *P? vegne av* Dick Spellman

> > *Sendt:* 1. september 2010 19:19

> > *Til:* Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> > *Emne:* Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat belt presenter + motor operation

> >

> > Hi Asge,

> >

> > This sounds like a stripped gear on the extender arm motor (a common

> > problem).  There is a limit switch that stops the motor when the arm

> > retracts or extends to it's limits presuming the gears are okay.

> >

> > From the MB factory you have a nylon gear on the extender motor.  Go to

> > this link for a detailed write-up done by Satish (this list's founder)

> for

> > more info on how to repair.   <

> >

> http://www.mbcoupes.com/repairarticles/seatbeltpresenter/seatbeltpresenter.htm

> > >

> >

> > I made the repair he details in 2000 or 2001 on both arms using the metal

> > gear originally built by Autolux.  They continue to work to this day.  I

> > think George Murphy at Performance Analysis in Tennesee, USA  now makes

> or

> > resells these aluminum replacement gears.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Dick

> >

> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 AM, "H?land, ?ge" <

> > aage.haaland at helse-vest-ikt.no> wrote:

> >

> >>  Hello SEC-fans.

> >>

> >> I need some advice and help for my MB 420 SEC 1986 concerning the

> >> motor/regulation for the Seat Belt Presenter. Suddenly the seat belt

> motor

> >> started running all the time even the ignition is off and even the fuse

> >> is out, that means running until the battery is flat. I opened the side

> >> panel and and removed the el. plug from the motor connected to a black

> >> box/regulation/operation as a first aid.  Questions: Is the problem the

> >> motor in itself or the black box, is there any fuse, can the box be

> fixed.

> >> I'm seeking the valuable experience out in the mbcoupes world.

> >>

> >> I would appreciate very much your advice.

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Aage Haaland

> >> Norway

> >>

> >> The MB Coupes Website!

> >> W126 SEC Mailing List

> >> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> >>

> >

> >

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> Message: 16

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:59:25 -0700

> From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at oigp.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

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> Thanks Chet & Josh - I'll get the correct socket this weekend  and get it

> done. Maybe cleaning the plug now and then will be OK. I'll find out.

>

> I don't know about replacing the valve guides or seals myself although I'd

> give it a try if I felt that it might be something a novice could do

> without

> too much difficulty. When I first start the engine after sitting overnight

> there is some smoke from the exhaust, but none seems to be visible when

> driving or idling or after a short shut-down.

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> Message: 17

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:02:51 -0700

> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

> To: MBZ Club 560SEC <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>

> Hi Chet- would you recommend a little anti- seize lubricant before you

> screw the plug in to make it easier when the next time you are removing the

> plug?

>

> Thanks,

> Camran

> 91 420SEL, 80 240D

>

>

>

>

>

> From: chwilka at comcast.net

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:17:34 -0400

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Pick up a ?spark plug? socket from your local auto parts store.   It has a

> rubber sleeve inside that holds the plug in so you don?t drop is as you?re

> removing it.  There are basically only 2 sizes, large and small (I think ? &

> 5/8 inch). You want the large one.  You may also need a few extensions and a

> swivel for you ratchet, some plugs are hard to get to.

> Take your time removing the plug and if it becomes harder to remove as

> you?re unscrewing, stop and screw it back in a bit and then go back to

> unscrewing.  Repeat until you get it out.  The threads sometimes get gunked

> up and you don?t wanted to force anything and possibly strip the threads in

> the head.  The plug is steel and head is aluminum.  When you reinstall,

> clean the thread and hand screw the plug in and just snug it up with the

> ratchet.  Do not over tighten or you may strip the head.  And never use

> power tools on spark plugs.

> Depending on the mileage, you probably have a worn valve guide not just the

> seal.

>

> Chet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Henry Viveiros

> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:24 PM

> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Fouled Spark Plug

>

> My 1991 560 SEC had been running rough and the dealership diagnosed the

> problem as a #4 fouled plug that may be caused by a valve seal. They cleaned

> the plug and things seem to be OK. Is the #4 plug on the right or left side?

> My question is: can I remove the spark plug and clean it every once in a

> while?I?m really not into taking the engine apart to replace the valve

> seals.

> When I look at the spark plugs I can just see the tip of the top and not

> the part that the socket would fit on. Can I just slip a socket onto the

> plug to determine the correct size to use? I haven?t been able to ?feel? if

> I am actually on the plug or not. Am I likely to cause any problems

> (breaking the plug)? I don?t want to cause any more problems than I already

> have.

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