[W126 Coupe] Cutting Out

[Dan Gardner]

Have you checked the EHA on the side of the fuel distrubutor,mine was 
intermittant and it gave me those symptoms,

                                                                             
                    Good Luck  Dan
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>   1. Re: 560 SEC Cutting Out (Jay Manek)

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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:38:43 +0100

> From: "Jay Manek" <jaymanek at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

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> Hi guys,

>

> Well i swapped Crank Sensor and the EZL... at first I thought id got it as 

> one of the connections was green...but just getting the car out of the 

> garage and it stalled on me.

>

> Its getting pretty annoying! Any ideas guys?

>

>

> I ordered a crank sensor from mercedes but they sent me the TDC sender 

> instead.. When i told them, they said a new crank sensor was over ?200 

> GBP.. so i swapped both the EZL and crank sensor from my donor car.

> So any idea where this TDC sender goes? Its a probe, looks like the crank 

> sensor and the other end has a 3 pin rectangular connector... may as well 

> change it now ive paid for it!

>

>

> Many Thanks & Regards

>

> Jay Manek

>

>

> From: Axel Wulff

> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:04 PM

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>

> Jay,

>

> About the cutting in and out; have you checked the EZL?

>

> Not a part that seems to fail a lot on the M117, but I've had a lot of EZL 

> issues with the M119 engine in my car and those are the exact symptoms.

>

> Regards,

> Axel J. Wulff

> 610-731-5453 Cellular

> 610-572-4611 Home

>

>

>

>

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> From: jaymanek at hotmail.com

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:37:45 +0100

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Ok im struggling with my 560 SEC..

>

> Basically it just cuts out at low revs.. it will idle for hours without an 

> issue but when driving it cuts out when approaching a junction.. sometimes 

> when approaching a junction at low speed and other times just when pulling 

> away..

>

> I have swapped the Idle control unit and Fuel Pump Relay.. but no 

> difference...

>

> When this first started happening, the car would not restart and the fuel 

> pump would not run, I had to jumper the pins (i think 15 and 47?) to get 

> the fuel pump to run so I could get home.. It did this even with the brand 

> new relay... but recently it seems to restart immediately...

>

> HELP!!

>

>

>

> Many Thanks & Regards

>

> Jay Manek

>

>

>

>

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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:29:34 -0400

> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

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> Hi Jay,

>

> Here is one way of isolating the problem.

>

> If you have a fuel pressure gauge, hook this up and start the engine.

> You should see 5.2-5.3 bar on the gauge with engine/pumps running.

>

> When the engine quits look at the gauge if, it's still at pressure your

> problem is electric.  If the pressure is down you know it's fuel.

>

> -\Dick

>

> On 5/15/2010 12:38 PM, Jay Manek wrote:

>> Hi guys,

>> Well i swapped Crank Sensor and the EZL... at first I thought id got it

>> as one of the connections was green...but just getting the car out of

>> the garage and it stalled on me.

>> Its getting pretty annoying! Any ideas guys?

>> I ordered a crank sensor from mercedes but they sent me the TDC sender

>> instead.. When i told them, they said a new crank sensor was over ?200

>> GBP.. so i swapped both the EZL and crank sensor from my donor car.

>> So any idea where this TDC sender goes? Its a probe, looks like the

>> crank sensor and the other end has a 3 pin rectangular connector... may

>> as well change it now ive paid for it!

>> Many Thanks & Regards

>> Jay Manek

>>

>> *From:* Axel Wulff <mailto:axelwulff at hotmail.com>

>> *Sent:* Monday, May 10, 2010 1:04 PM

>> *To:* mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> *Subject:* Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>>

>> Jay,

>>

>> About the cutting in and out; have you checked the EZL?

>>

>> Not a part that seems to fail a lot on the M117, but I've had a lot of

>> EZL issues with the M119 engine in my car and those are the exact 

>> symptoms.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Axel J. Wulff

>> 610-731-5453 Cellular

>> 610-572-4611 Home

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> From: jaymanek at hotmail.com <mailto:jaymanek at hotmail.com>

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:37:45 +0100

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>>

>> Hi All,

>> Ok im struggling with my 560 SEC..

>> Basically it just cuts out at low revs.. it will idle for hours without

>> an issue but when driving it cuts out when approaching a junction..

>> sometimes when approaching a junction at low speed and other times just

>> when pulling away..

>> I have swapped the Idle control unit and Fuel Pump Relay.. but no

>> difference...

>> When this first started happening, the car would not restart and the

>> fuel pump would not run, I had to jumper the pins (i think 15 and 47?)

>> to get the fuel pump to run so I could get home.. It did this even with

>> the brand new relay... but recently it seems to restart immediately...

>> HELP!!

>> Many Thanks & Regards

>> Jay Manek

>

>

>

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> Message: 4

> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 18:32:57 +0100

> From: "Jay Manek" <jaymanek at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

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> Hi,

>

> The car starts instantly, sometimes stalls again but then normally on the 

> second attempt will be fine.

>

> Im pretty sure something is telling the fuel to shut off.. when the 

> problem first occured, nothing would start the car unless i jumped the 

> pins on the fuel relay... the car had no issue if pins 15 and 47 were 

> jumped...

>

>

>

>

> Many Thanks & Regards

>

> Jay Manek | www.mercland.com| 07716 349949

>

>

> From: Jonathan Hodgman

> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:13 PM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>

> so is it re-starting straight away?  The big question is are we fuel or 

> spark...

>

> or, if a bad sensor is telling the car that it's rev'ing too high and the 

> ICU is shutting the ICV..

>

> jono

> Jay Manek wrote:

>  Hi guys,

>

>  Well i swapped Crank Sensor and the EZL... at first I thought id got it 

> as one of the connections was green...but just getting the car out of the 

> garage and it stalled on me.

>

>  Its getting pretty annoying! Any ideas guys?

>

>

>  I ordered a crank sensor from mercedes but they sent me the TDC sender 

> instead.. When i told them, they said a new crank sensor was over ?200 

> GBP.. so i swapped both the EZL and crank sensor from my donor car.

>  So any idea where this TDC sender goes? Its a probe, looks like the crank 

> sensor and the other end has a 3 pin rectangular connector... may as well 

> change it now ive paid for it!

>

>

>  Many Thanks & Regards

>

>  Jay Manek

>

>

>  From: Axel Wulff

>  Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:04 PM

>  To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>  Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>

>  Jay,

>

>  About the cutting in and out; have you checked the EZL?

>

>  Not a part that seems to fail a lot on the M117, but I've had a lot of 

> EZL issues with the M119 engine in my car and those are the exact 

> symptoms.

>

>  Regards,

>  Axel J. Wulff

>  610-731-5453 Cellular

>  610-572-4611 Home

>

>

>

>

>

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>  From: jaymanek at hotmail.com

>  To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>  Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:37:45 +0100

>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>

>  Hi All,

>

>  Ok im struggling with my 560 SEC..

>

>  Basically it just cuts out at low revs.. it will idle for hours without 

> an issue but when driving it cuts out when approaching a junction.. 

> sometimes when approaching a junction at low speed and other times just 

> when pulling away..

>

>  I have swapped the Idle control unit and Fuel Pump Relay.. but no 

> difference...

>

>  When this first started happening, the car would not restart and the fuel 

> pump would not run, I had to jumper the pins (i think 15 and 47?) to get 

> the fuel pump to run so I could get home.. It did this even with the brand 

> new relay... but recently it seems to restart immediately...

>

>  HELP!!

>

>

>

>  Many Thanks & Regards

>

>  Jay Manek

>

>

>

>

>

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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:42:22 -0400

> From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

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> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:57:40 +0100

> From: "Jay Manek" <jaymanek at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

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> Thanks,

>

> I swapped the OVP last night and then drove 6 miles through traffic... the

> car did no cut out at all... However the problem has always been very

> intermittent.. so ill report back once ive had more of a drive..

>

> I didnt originally suspect OVP as it was replaced around 3 years ago with 

> a

> new Bosch unit.

>

>

> Many Thanks & Regards

>

> Jay Manek |

>

> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "Dick Spellman" <dick.spellman at gmail.com>

> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:29 PM

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>

>> Hi Jay,

>>

>> Here is one way of isolating the problem.

>>

>> If you have a fuel pressure gauge, hook this up and start the engine. You

>> should see 5.2-5.3 bar on the gauge with engine/pumps running.

>>

>> When the engine quits look at the gauge if, it's still at pressure your

>> problem is electric.  If the pressure is down you know it's fuel.

>>

>> -\Dick

>>

>> On 5/15/2010 12:38 PM, Jay Manek wrote:

>>> Hi guys,

>>> Well i swapped Crank Sensor and the EZL... at first I thought id got it

>>> as one of the connections was green...but just getting the car out of

>>> the garage and it stalled on me.

>>> Its getting pretty annoying! Any ideas guys?

>>> I ordered a crank sensor from mercedes but they sent me the TDC sender

>>> instead.. When i told them, they said a new crank sensor was over ?200

>>> GBP.. so i swapped both the EZL and crank sensor from my donor car.

>>> So any idea where this TDC sender goes? Its a probe, looks like the

>>> crank sensor and the other end has a 3 pin rectangular connector... may

>>> as well change it now ive paid for it!

>>> Many Thanks & Regards

>>> Jay Manek

>>>

>>> *From:* Axel Wulff <mailto:axelwulff at hotmail.com>

>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 10, 2010 1:04 PM

>>> *To:* mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> *Subject:* Re: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>>>

>>> Jay,

>>>

>>> About the cutting in and out; have you checked the EZL?

>>>

>>> Not a part that seems to fail a lot on the M117, but I've had a lot of

>>> EZL issues with the M119 engine in my car and those are the exact

>>> symptoms.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Axel J. Wulff

>>> 610-731-5453 Cellular

>>> 610-572-4611 Home

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> From: jaymanek at hotmail.com <mailto:jaymanek at hotmail.com>

>>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com <mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:37:45 +0100

>>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] 560 SEC Cutting Out

>>>

>>> Hi All,

>>> Ok im struggling with my 560 SEC..

>>> Basically it just cuts out at low revs.. it will idle for hours without

>>> an issue but when driving it cuts out when approaching a junction..

>>> sometimes when approaching a junction at low speed and other times just

>>> when pulling away..

>>> I have swapped the Idle control unit and Fuel Pump Relay.. but no

>>> difference...

>>> When this first started happening, the car would not restart and the

>>> fuel pump would not run, I had to jumper the pins (i think 15 and 47?)

>>> to get the fuel pump to run so I could get home.. It did this even with

>>> the brand new relay... but recently it seems to restart immediately...

>>> HELP!!

>>> Many Thanks & Regards

>>> Jay Manek

>>

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