[W126 Coupe] Spheres

[Dan Gardner]

Many thanks to all those people who gave advise,I am most grateful.

                                                        Kind Regards Dan 
Gardner
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>   1. Re: Wannabe Gullwing & Who know how to fix oil leaks on de

>      cpe (Ernie Stephens)

>   2. 1983 500 sec (Clay Woodward)

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>   4. Re: 1983 500 sec (Gary Peck)

>   5. Re: spheres (Dan Gardner)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:45:39 -0600

> From: "Ernie Stephens" <stevetsg at msn.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Wannabe Gullwing & Who know how to fix oil

> leaks on de cpe

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> Thanks Josh, appreciate your input.

>

> Ernie

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>  Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Wannabe Gullwing & Who know how to fix oil 

> leaks on de cpe

>

>

>  Regarding the oil leaks, I did the upper oil pan while the engine was on

>  an engine stand, and found even that to be an adventure in aggravation

>  just due to having to extract all the little hex head cap-screws that

>  hold it on.

>

>  That being said, I seem to remember someone saying that it's possible to

>  remove while the engine is in place, by doing some creative juggling and

>  lifting the engine up off of the engine mounts to allow the pan to clear

>  the cross member.

>

>  You might also consider scrubbing the engine down with an engine cleaner

>  and see just where the leak is actually coming from.  I'd suspect the

>  front main seal to develop a leak prior to the upper oil pan

>  spontaneously doing so.  Both of my crank shaft main seals had done so

>  on my 500SEC's replacement motor.

>

>  Best of luck in finding it, and hopefully it's something easy to remedy!

>

>  -Josh Allen

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>  Ernie Stephens wrote:

>  > Well, at least they haven't changed over to battery motors yet.

>  >

>  > My 87 560 SEC has either struck oil or is loosing it pretty bad.  It

>  > appears that the front pan is not so hard to R&R but the bigger pan

>  > looks like a major job . . . any suggestions from the pros?

>  > Thanks,

>  > Ernie

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:24:00 -0500

> From: Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

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> I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car.   Someone 

> answered me about a month ago but I cannot find who.  I looked at 

> magnaflow and it looked like theirs was not low profile like the ones I 

> have now.  I have original equipment now and do not need the rest of the 

> pipe like MB dealer sells.  I only want the cat converter and have it 

> welded in.  Thanks in advance for help.

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> Clay

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:31:51 -0500

> From: "alal30319 at gmail.com" <alal30319 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

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> I had some universal cats fitted to my 1997 E420. These are small

> performance cats that are rated for up to 6.0 liter engines.

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> A good muffler shop should help you out.

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> On 11/1/09, Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com> wrote:

>>

>> I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car.   Someone 

>> answered

>> me about a month ago but I cannot find who.  I looked at magnaflow and it

>> looked like theirs was not low profile like the ones I have now.  I have

>> original equipment now and do not need the rest of the pipe like MB 

>> dealer

>> sells.  I only want the cat converter and have it welded in.  Thanks in

>> advance for help.

>>

>>

>>

>> Clay

>>

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:33:16 -0500

> From: "Gary Peck" <gary.peck at sympatico.ca>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

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> Clay, Try searching a company out of Texas called Converter Wharehouse 

> measure your existing cat and pipe sizes and ? one or 2 pipes in and two 

> out etc. then search their web site. I was able to get a reasonable priced 

> (universal cat) for my 88 SEL Euro.

> PS: post a follow up.

>

> Gary Peck

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>  From: Clay Woodward

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>  Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:24 AM

>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

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>

>  I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car.   Someone 

> answered me about a month ago but I cannot find who.  I looked at 

> magnaflow and it looked like theirs was not low profile like the ones I 

> have now.  I have original equipment now and do not need the rest of the 

> pipe like MB dealer sells.  I only want the cat converter and have it 

> welded in.  Thanks in advance for help.

>

>  Clay

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:31:33 +0900

> From: "Dan Gardner" <cruftsk9 at tpg.com.au>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spheres

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> Hi Guys

>

>    I think its about time I replaced the rear spheres as I am getting a

> thump from the rear suspension,it seems to have got worse as I have not 

> used

> the car for some time. Tried to find information on replacement on the

> archives but they appear to be down.If anyone knows of any points to watch

> out for I would be most grateful.

>

>                                    Kind Regards Dan Gardner  1986  560SEC

> 220kw  EURO

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:15:06 -0500

> From: Axel Wulff <axelwulff at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spheres

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> Dan,

>

>

>

> I'm not sure the thump from your rear suspension is related to worn out 

> spheres.

>

>

>

> Usually, when the rubber diaphragm ruptures, the suspension becomes rock 

> hard and bouncy as you're only riding on the springs. Some have also 

> reported that the suspension becomes very soft and wallowy.

>

>

>

> Either way, I'd recommend a set of genuine MB spheres. They're not that 

> much more expensive than the Chinese-made and the non-genuine set I used 

> only lasted about 15,000 miles.

>

> Regards,

> Axel J. Wulff

> 610-731-5453 Cellular

> 610-572-4611 Home

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>

>

>

>> From: cruftsk9 at tpg.com.au

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:31:33 +0900

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spheres

>>

>> Hi Guys

>>

>> I think its about time I replaced the rear spheres as I am getting a

>> thump from the rear suspension,it seems to have got worse as I have not 

>> used

>> the car for some time. Tried to find information on replacement on the

>> archives but they appear to be down.If anyone knows of any points to 

>> watch

>> out for I would be most grateful.

>>

>> Kind Regards Dan Gardner 1986 560SEC

>> 220kw EURO

>>

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:19:29 -0600

> From: "alal30319 at gmail.com" <alal30319 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spheres

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> Dan

>

> Does your car have two or four wheel SLS? I have a 450SEL 6.9 which has 

> the

> same setup as the four wheel SLS cars and a 560SEL which has the rear 

> wheel

> only set up.

>

> Replacement on the rear wheel only setup is pretty straight forward. The

> sphere it self is held in place with three nuts and there are two hydralic

> lines that go into it. Open the lines slowly and have a drain pan handy as

> the system is pressurized and will leak a lot. Once the leaking stops then

> slowly remove the hydralic lines and pull the spheres.

>

> Upon replacement, be very careful not to cross thread the hydralic lines.

> I've done that a couple of times on my 450SEL 6.9's because they are a

> little more awkward to get to and you end up trashing the sphere and the

> hydraulic line (which I replaced with a metric brake line) which is a 

> waste

> of money. I would hand tighten it and make sure it goes well into the 

> thread

> before I would put a wrench on it.

>

> I'm not sure how to bleed the system on the rear SLS cars but on the 6.9 

> and

> 4 wheel SLS car you jack the car on all fours an run at 2000rpm for a 

> couple

> of mins. I jacked the rear on my 560SEL and followed the same procedure

> which seemed to have worked.

>

> On the 4 wheel SLS cars, you have 5 spheres and they are a little more

> awkward to get to. But the setup on the spheres is the same. Just be 

> careful

> not to cross thread.

>

> All the best

>

> Al

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:27:27 -0400

> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] spheres

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> Dan,

>

> To drain/bleed the system you can loosen the nut on top of the SLS valve

> which is attached to the rear sway bar in the middle.

>

> First, make sure it is your spheres though.  A lot of other things can 

> cause

> "thumping".  For one, the rear swaybar links, if you have them, can be bad

> and cause this.  They are cheap and easy to replace, just 2 bolts each. 

> Or

> the rubber buffers on the rear struts, one top, one bottom, when they get

> old and flattened can cause this.

>

> If you do get the spheres, do yourself a favor and only get genuine MB.

> Yes, they cost more money, but the aftermarket don't have a history of

> lasting as long, and you'll find yourself doing the job again after a 

> short

> amount of time or miles.

>

> Markus

>

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:19 AM, alal30319 at gmail.com 

> <alal30319 at gmail.com>wrote:

>

>> Dan

>>

>> Does your car have two or four wheel SLS? I have a 450SEL 6.9 which has 

>> the

>> same setup as the four wheel SLS cars and a 560SEL which has the rear 

>> wheel

>> only set up.

>>

>> Replacement on the rear wheel only setup is pretty straight forward. The

>> sphere it self is held in place with three nuts and there are two 

>> hydralic

>> lines that go into it. Open the lines slowly and have a drain pan handy 

>> as

>> the system is pressurized and will leak a lot. Once the leaking stops 

>> then

>> slowly remove the hydralic lines and pull the spheres.

>>

>> Upon replacement, be very careful not to cross thread the hydralic lines.

>> I've done that a couple of times on my 450SEL 6.9's because they are a

>> little more awkward to get to and you end up trashing the sphere and the

>> hydraulic line (which I replaced with a metric brake line) which is a 

>> waste

>> of money. I would hand tighten it and make sure it goes well into the 

>> thread

>> before I would put a wrench on it.

>>

>> I'm not sure how to bleed the system on the rear SLS cars but on the 6.9

>> and 4 wheel SLS car you jack the car on all fours an run at 2000rpm for a

>> couple of mins. I jacked the rear on my 560SEL and followed the same

>> procedure which seemed to have worked.

>>

>> On the 4 wheel SLS cars, you have 5 spheres and they are a little more

>> awkward to get to. But the setup on the spheres is the same. Just be 

>> careful

>> not to cross thread.

>>

>> All the best

>>

>> Al

>>

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