[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

[gary ensor]

Al,

  Check the vacuum line going to the EZL to make sure it has vacuum, and is not broken, or pulled off on either end. I've seen several broken where the plastic line bends right above the p/s pump top insde mounting bolt.



Gary Ensor
Silverstar Motorwerks
206 Breezehill Dr.
Winchester, Kentucky 40391


 


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> 1. Re: 1983 500 sec (rltimmerma at cox.net)

> 2. *****SPAM***** Vanity Light (simon)

> 3. Re: 1983 500 sec (jonathan)

> 4. change of email address (Helmut Kern)

> 5. Re: Vanity Light (Josh Allen)

> 6. Re: change of email address (Steve Nervig)

> 7. Re: 1983 500 sec (Jay Hirsch)

> 8. Interior door panel removal (Markus Meyer)

> 9. Re: *****SPAM***** Vanity Light (Jonathan Hodgman)

> 10. Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at take off

> problem. (alal30319 at gmail.com)

> 11. Re: Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at take off

> problem. (Jonathan Hodgman)

> 12. Re: Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at take off

> problem. (Day . Ralph)

> 13. Re: Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at take off

> problem. (alal30319 at gmail.com)

> 14. CAT PROBLEMS (clay)

> 

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> Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 9:17:19 -0800

> From: <rltimmerma at cox.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Cc: Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com>

> Message-ID: <20091101121719.GA76E.868693.imail at fed1rmwml43>

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> 

> Clay,

> 

> Try Davico Manufacturing www.davicomfg.com 

> Although they sell only to wholesalers they can provide info on their product and recommend a place near you to get one.

> 

> Other manufacturers are CATCO www.catcoglobal.com

> Brown Recycling Manufacturing inc. www.brownrecycling.com

> 

> I've been in the exhaust industry most of my professional career as a manufacturing engineer. my connection to Davico is through their use of a tube bending machine I helped develop early in my career and am now with several colleagues rebuilding and reselling. 

> 

> Ray Timmerman

> 

> ---- Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com> wrote: 

> 

> =============

> 

> I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car. Someone answered me about a month ago but I cannot find who. I looked at magnaflow and it looked like theirs was not low profile like the ones I have now. I have original equipment now and do not need the rest of the pipe like MB dealer sells. I only want the cat converter and have it welded in. Thanks in advance for help.

> 

> 

> 

> Clay

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> Message: 2

> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:26:18 -0800

> From: simon <simon at asylumfx.com>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] *****SPAM***** Vanity Light

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

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> I recently had my headliner reupholstered and one of the many issues 

> my car came back with was that the passenger side vanity light did not 

> come on. I have narrowed the problem down to the connection where the 

> visor clips in. There is some play in this clip where it feels like it 

> hasn't been screwed in to the roof right. How do you tighten it, there 

> seems to be a screw in there but how do I get to it ?

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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:38:50 +0000

> From: "jonathan" <jhodgman at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> I use magnaflow on these cars w/ out issue...fit great etc 

> Work well and very reasonably priced:)

> Jonathan

> ------Original Message------

> From: rltimmerma at cox.net

> Sender: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Cc: Clay Woodward

> ReplyTo: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

> Sent: Nov 1, 2009 4:07 AM

> 

> Clay,

> 

> Try Davico Manufacturing www.davicomfg.com 

> Although they sell only to wholesalers they can provide info on their product and recommend a place near you to get one.

> 

> Other manufacturers are CATCO www.catcoglobal.com

> Brown Recycling Manufacturing inc. www.brownrecycling.com

> 

> I've been in the exhaust industry most of my professional career as a manufacturing engineer. my connection to Davico is through their use of a tube bending machine I helped develop early in my career and am now with several colleagues rebuilding and reselling. 

> 

> Ray Timmerman

> 

> ---- Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com> wrote: 

> 

> =============

> 

> I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car. Someone answered me about a month ago but I cannot find who. I looked at magnaflow and it looked like theirs was not low profile like the ones I have now. I have original equipment now and do not need the rest of the pipe like MB dealer sells. I only want the cat converter and have it welded in. Thanks in advance for help.

> 

> 

> 

> Clay

> 

> 

> 

> The MB Coupes Website!

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> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

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> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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> Message: 4

> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:41:15 -0500

> From: "Helmut Kern" <helker at porchlight.ca>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] change of email address

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <BB5063B3A5144D198B5F2FBF66A3BA7E at HelmutPC>

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> please note my new email address:HELIOCRISSSI at GMAIL.COM.Thank you

> Helmut kern

> 87 560SEC

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> Message: 5

> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:06:57 -0800

> From: Josh Allen <heyallen at null-ptr.net>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Vanity Light

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Simon,

> If you look at the forward side of the clip, you should see the faint 

> outline of the cover over that screw. It requires popping the cover 

> open with a thin screwdriver or the tip of a sharp knife.

> Then the screw is easily accessed through the hole, as long as the visor 

> isn't clipped into it.

> 

> Be careful with the small plastic cover though, as it's plastic and 

> prone to have gotten brittle with the years.

> 

> -Josh

> 

> simon wrote:

> > I recently had my headliner reupholstered and one of the many issues 

> > my car came back with was that the passenger side vanity light did not 

> > come on. I have narrowed the problem down to the connection where the 

> > visor clips in. There is some play in this clip where it feels like it 

> > hasn't been screwed in to the roof right. How do you tighten it, there 

> > seems to be a screw in there but how do I get to it ?

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > The MB Coupes Website!

> > W126 SEC Mailing List

> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> 

> 

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> Message: 6

> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:09:12 -0800

> From: Steve Nervig <dakota at mac.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] change of email address

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <C5CA89E2-9A7C-4EB0-8981-DDC5E1933FFF at mac.com>

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> 

> On Nov 1, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Helmut Kern wrote:

> 

> > please note my new email address:HELIOCRISSSI at GMAIL.COM.Thank you

> > Helmut kern

> > 87 560SEC

> 

> Helmut, I think if you want your MB Coupes mail sent to a different 

> address, you have to go into the site and change it. Go to this page, 

> near the bottom:

> 

> http://pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/mbcoupes

> 

> You'll need the email addy that MBCoupes is currently sent to, and 

> your password, which should have been sent to you monthly (last night).

> 

> Regards,

> Steve

> 992 300CE Sportline

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> Message: 7

> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:44:27 -0500

> From: Jay Hirsch <J.Hirsch at mac.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

> To: jhodgman at gmail.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <FC9E83D3-D91A-413D-95FB-CEA8AF7E2564 at mac.com>

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> 

> Topic change

> Any special "trick" for removing drivers door panel?

> Inside door handle broke yesterday, just flops around

> Thank you

> Jay

> On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:38 PM, jonathan wrote:

> 

> > I use magnaflow on these cars w/ out issue...fit great etc

> > Work well and very reasonably priced:)

> > Jonathan

> > ------Original Message------

> > From: rltimmerma at cox.net

> > Sender: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com

> > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> > Cc: Clay Woodward

> > ReplyTo: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] 1983 500 sec

> > Sent: Nov 1, 2009 4:07 AM

> >

> > Clay,

> >

> > Try Davico Manufacturing www.davicomfg.com

> > Although they sell only to wholesalers they can provide info on 

> > their product and recommend a place near you to get one.

> >

> > Other manufacturers are CATCO www.catcoglobal.com

> > Brown Recycling Manufacturing inc. 

> > www.brownrecycling.com

> >

> > I've been in the exhaust industry most of my professional career as 

> > a manufacturing engineer. my connection to Davico is through their 

> > use of a tube bending machine I helped develop early in my career 

> > and am now with several colleagues rebuilding and reselling.

> >

> > Ray Timmerman

> >

> > ---- Clay Woodward <clay500 at msn.com> wrote:

> >

> > =============

> >

> > I'm having a hard time finding cat converter for my car. Someone 

> > answered me about a month ago but I cannot find who. I looked at 

> > magnaflow and it looked like theirs was not low profile like the 

> > ones I have now. I have original equipment now and do not need the 

> > rest of the pipe like MB dealer sells. I only want the cat 

> > converter and have it welded in. Thanks in advance for help.

> >

> >

> >

> > Clay

> >

> >

> > 

> > The MB Coupes Website!

> > W126 SEC Mailing List

> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> >

> >

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > The MB Coupes Website!

> > W126 SEC Mailing List

> > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

> 

> 

> 

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> Message: 8

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:01:45 -0400

> From: Markus Meyer <markusfmeyer at gmail.com>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Interior door panel removal

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> 

> Jay,

> 

> There are lots of steps to properly remove the door panel without breaking

> it. I've done it many a time and still go slow, you don't want to break the

> plastic tabs at the top. If you don't have the service CDs you may want to

> get them, they will help a lot with step by step directions. From memory:

> 

> Remove speaker cover if you have one

> Remove any screws at bottom of door panel, I had a few in mine (87 SEC)

> Remove chrome cover at top front of door panel near mirror

> Remove chrome ring around door lock area

> Pull out light at bottom of panel and unplug

> Take off plastic cover by door handle

> Remove screw holding metal surround in place

> Remove seat adjustment pieces

> Pull out surround for seat adjustment pieces and metal surround in front

> Take off 3 screws holding armrest in place and remove armrest

> Pull (slowly) doorpanel up to release plastic slips at top and rest along

> the door and pull forward

> 

> I think I got all the steps but may have missed some. I can try and dig out

> the PDF file that outlines the steps if you need it.

> 

> Markus

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Jay Hirsch <J.Hirsch at mac.com> wrote:

> 

> > Topic change

> > Any special "trick" for removing drivers door panel?

> > Inside door handle broke yesterday, just flops around

> > Thank you

> > Jay

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> Message: 9

> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:38:50 -0500

> From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] *****SPAM***** Vanity Light

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Message: 10

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:15 -0600

> From: "alal30319 at gmail.com" <alal30319 at gmail.com>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at

> take off problem.

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> All

> 

> I've been trying to trouble shoot my 1987 560SEC as it's having an odd

> hesitation issue between 600 rpm and 1200 rpm. It's pretty severe and makes

> crossing intersections hairy as the engine can choke out for a few seconds

> before it spins the wheels and hauls away. I've been trying to counter by

> keeping my left foot on the brake while revving the car so that I can avoid

> the hesitation.

> 

> Here is what I have done so far in an effort to trouble shoot the system.

> 

> 1. Checked timing. Set to 27 degrees advance at idle (10xx rpm).

> 2. Checked sanity and make sure that I was on cylinder number 1 and that

> my timing light was working correctly.

> 3. Replaced black electronic device on the side of the fuel distributor

> with another one - no effect.

> 4. Pulled valve covers to check cam timing mark and both appeared within

> spec (chain will need to be replaced soon however as guide rails are black).

> 5. Checked throttle plate on air flow meter was in the right position and

> not too high, thus causing the flow of air to block when pressing on the gas

> - everything seems OK here.

> 6. Checked to see if the transmission was recently removed as this may

> mean the flywheel was incorrectly mounted - Transmission does not appear to

> be disturbed.

> 7. Switched ICU with a known good one - still have the same symptoms.

> 8. Replaced Bosch twin platinum plugs with NGK BP7ES - Did not cure the

> problem.

> 9. Adjusted mixture - No effect.

> 

> The car still has the green wire to the ignition unit which I understand

> must be old as new ones are black and can cause running issues so i'm going

> to try to replace that next.

> 

> Any other thoughts or insight would be gratefully appreciated.

> 

> With best regards

> 

> Al

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> Message: 11

> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:31:45 -0500

> From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation

> at take off problem.

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> Message: 12

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:31:43 -0500

> From: "Day . Ralph" <RDay at drc.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation

> at take off problem.

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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> I had acceleration problems with both my 500SEC and 560SEC, especially when cold. The car would seem to almost stall and lurch until it warmed up. The other similar issue I had was just a plane lack of acceleration at anytime. I replace the kick down module and that worked on the just plain bad acceleration but did nothing for the hesitation when cold. Never could figure out the hesitation on either car, so now I have a CL55.

> 

> Ralph D. Day

> Senior Program Manager/ASQ LSS Certified Black Belt

> MDA Master Black Belt

> Dynamics Research Corporation

> (301) 275-9030 (cell)

> 

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of alal30319 at gmail.com

> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:24 AM

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation at take off problem.

> 

> All

> 

> I've been trying to trouble shoot my 1987 560SEC as it's having an odd hesitation issue between 600 rpm and 1200 rpm. It's pretty severe and makes crossing intersections hairy as the engine can choke out for a few seconds before it spins the wheels and hauls away. I've been trying to counter by keeping my left foot on the brake while revving the car so that I can avoid the hesitation.

> 

> Here is what I have done so far in an effort to trouble shoot the system.

> 

> 1. Checked timing. Set to 27 degrees advance at idle (10xx rpm).

> 2. Checked sanity and make sure that I was on cylinder number 1 and that my timing light was working correctly.

> 3. Replaced black electronic device on the side of the fuel distributor with another one - no effect.

> 4. Pulled valve covers to check cam timing mark and both appeared within spec (chain will need to be replaced soon however as guide rails are black).

> 5. Checked throttle plate on air flow meter was in the right position and not too high, thus causing the flow of air to block when pressing on the gas - everything seems OK here.

> 6. Checked to see if the transmission was recently removed as this may mean the flywheel was incorrectly mounted - Transmission does not appear to be disturbed.

> 7. Switched ICU with a known good one - still have the same symptoms.

> 8. Replaced Bosch twin platinum plugs with NGK BP7ES - Did not cure the problem.

> 9. Adjusted mixture - No effect.

> The car still has the green wire to the ignition unit which I understand must be old as new ones are black and can cause running issues so i'm going to try to replace that next.

> 

> Any other thoughts or insight would be gratefully appreciated.

> 

> With best regards

> 

> Al

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> Message: 13

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:51:49 -0600

> From: "alal30319 at gmail.com" <alal30319 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Help trouble shooting 87 560SEC hesitation

> at take off problem.

> To: jhodgman at gmail.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists

> <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID:

> <b28a8e390911020851k139afca4s96dd202d0b9ff7b6 at mail.gmail.com>

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> 

> Jonathan,

> 

> I have an Inova digital timing light that has advance and retard function,

> When I advance the timing on the light to 27 degrees, I see the 0 degree

> mark on the pulley. I'm pretty sure that pulling the vac line off the EZL

> did not change the timing and if you don't believe, I have a witness!

> 

> I'll check the fuse box for that relay thing that you're talking about. I

> have a 560SEL also which I can switch parts on.

> 

> I don't think the timing light is dodgy, I've used it many times without

> problems and too advance timing could well cause poor running at idle.

> 

> Thanks again and I'll get back to you.

> 

> Many thanks

> 

> Al

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> Message: 14

> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:09:33 -0700

> From: "clay" <benzman3 at cox.net>

> Subject: [W126 Coupe] CAT PROBLEMS

> To: "MBCOUPES" <MBCOUPES at MBCOUPES.COM>

> Message-ID: <FCC013AD2131490D8E939B3272420500 at claytonPC>

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> Clay, I took mine down to this hot rod muffler shop here in AZ. they carry Magnaflow and all kinds or trick exhaust. If your talking about the second cat, they just knew what size and everything for it. I think it could be a Marathon or something like that,but they welded it in and the car ran like new again and the total was $200.00 including labor.

> Good Luck,

> Clay Moizo

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