[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20
btb management
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Thu Oct 30 08:11:21 EDT 2008
1985 SEC started to shake upon starting and really prominent when 50 mph on freeway.
Repairman suggested tie rods...sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks for input.
Robert
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> 1. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (rider tn)
> 2. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Barry Corno)
> 3. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Shin Takei)
> 4. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (ARTHUR STILLWELL)
> 5. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (rider tn)
> 6. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Markus Meyer)
> 7. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Terry Ratliff)
> 8. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (malcolm369 at comcast.net)
> 9. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Dan Landiss)
> 10. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (rider tn)
> 11. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Markus Meyer)
> 12. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (malcolm369 at comcast.net)
> 13. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Shin Takei)
> 14. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (ARTHUR STILLWELL)
> 15. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (rider tn)
> 16. Re: W126 electrical/fuel issue (Shin Takei)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:56:29 -0500
> From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Thanks for your helping me with my 380 SEC. Really like the group and glad to be with like minded folks like you. Regards, Cecil Elliott
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> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:47:34 -0400From: dick.spellman at gmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issueditto Jonathan's remarks..fuel pump relay should be first item to go if you have a spare you can swap. Leave the rest alone until proper diagnostics have been performed.Regards,Dick
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM, rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at normal operating temp, the engine just stops and the amber light on the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott
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> From: "Barry Corno" <bc at unitedsalad.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Cecil,
>
> Now if you want to get that 380 moving better. 307 rear end, cats
> off and
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> 5 liter cams in the heads.
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> B.C. "83" 380 SEC 558 K
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> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of rider tn
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Thanks for your helping me with my 380 SEC. Really like the group and
> glad to be with like minded folks like you. Regards, Cecil Elliott
>
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> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:47:34 -0400
> From: dick.spellman at gmail.com
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
>
> ditto Jonathan's remarks..fuel pump relay should be first item to go if
> you have a spare you can swap. Leave the rest alone until proper
> diagnostics have been performed.
>
> Regards,
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM, rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC
> euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked
> the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the tank
> and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material also a new
> sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, rotor button, &
> wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the group basically
> the 380 runs and drives great then when running at normal operating
> temp, the engine just stops and the amber light on the fuel guage comes
> on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine starts right up. I
> have asked several shops that have worked on my car, they said that they
> will just have to start from the back and head toward the front. I have
> ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay
> did not have any wires loose, any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Cecil Elliott
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> From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later.? It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.
>
> Shin
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 am
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad
> they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says
> we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test
> pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things
> one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I
> would return those parts until you go through things...?
> ?
>
> Where are you located??
> ?
>
> Jonathan?
> ?
>
> rider tn wrote:?
>
> > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC
> > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked
> > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the
> > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material
> > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap,
> > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the
> > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at
> > normal operating temp, the engine just stops and the amber light on
> > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine
> > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my
> > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and
> > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new
> > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose,
> > any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott?
>
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> From: ARTHUR STILLWELL <corker1957 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Hey Dick,
>
> It may sound really dumb, but I have a 500sec that I think the relay
> is gone. But being as I am new to the Mercedes car culture, I don't
> know where the fuel pump relay is. Could you give me a place to look.
>
> Corky
>
>
>
> At 07:47 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
> >ditto Jonathan's remarks..fuel pump relay should be first item to go
> >if you have a spare you can swap. Leave the rest alone until proper
> >diagnostics have been performed.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dick
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM, rider tn
> ><<mailto:ridertn at hotmail.com>ridertn at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC
> >euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had
> >parked the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I
> >drained the tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or
> >foreign material also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch
> >spark plugs, cap, rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I
> >am emailing into the group basically the 380 runs and drives great
> >then when running at normal operating temp, the engine just stops
> >and the amber light on the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for
> >five-ten minutes the engine starts right up. I have asked several
> >shops that have worked on my car, they said that they will just have
> >to start from the back and head toward the front. I have ordered a
> >new Bosch fuel pump, new iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did
> >not have any wires loose, any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott
> >
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:47:47 -0500
> From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
>
> To: jhodgman at gmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:38 -0400From: shinzbox at aol.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later. It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.Shin
>
> -----Original Message-----From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 amSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I would return those parts until you go through things... Where are you located? Jonathan rider tn wrote: > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at > normal operating temp, the engine just stops a
> nd the amber light on > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, > any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. > Learn Now > <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%2120EE04FBC541789%21167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The MB Coupes Website! > W126 SEC Mailing List > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C. The MB Coupes Website! W126 SEC Mailing List Postings remain property of MB Coupes,
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:52:50 -0700
> From: "Markus Meyer" <mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:55:48 -0400
> From: "Terry Ratliff" <Terry at MyMBSEC.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Corky - Here is a link that shows the fuel pump relay. The red arrow points
> to the fan blower fuse. The fuel pump relay is at the other end of the red
> arrow.
>
>
>
> http://www.MyMBSEC.com/maintenance/blower-fuse.htm
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>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Terry C. Ratliff
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> eMail: Terry at MyMBSEC.com
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> On Behalf Of ARTHUR STILLWELL
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:31 PM
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
>
>
>
> Hey Dick,
>
> It may sound really dumb, but I have a 500sec that I think the relay is
> gone. But being as I am new to the Mercedes car culture, I don't know where
> the fuel pump relay is. Could you give me a place to look.
>
> Corky
>
>
>
> At 07:47 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>
> ditto Jonathan's remarks..fuel pump relay should be first item to go if you
> have a spare you can swap. Leave the rest alone until proper diagnostics
> have been performed.
>
> Regards,
> Dick
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM, rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC
> euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked the
> car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the tank and the
> tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material also a new sender for
> the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, rotor button, & wires all
> replaced. The reason I am emailing into the group basically the 380 runs and
> drives great then when running at normal operating temp, the engine just
> stops and the amber light on the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for
> five-ten minutes the engine starts right up. I have asked several shops that
> have worked on my car, they said that they will just have to start from the
> back and head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new
> iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, any help
> would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott
>
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:23:08 +0000
> From: malcolm369 at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Hi Cecil,
>
> The Fuel Pump Relay also cuts of the fuel supply if the engine is headed into an 'over-rev' condition..
>
> Cheers, MBL
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>
> >
> > Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel
> > cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not
> > heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have
> > ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and
> > products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
> >
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:33:10 -0500
> From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> on 10/29/2008 8:23 AM malcolm369 at comcast.net wrote:
> > Hi Cecil,
> >
> > The Fuel Pump Relay also cuts of the fuel supply if the engine is headed into an 'over-rev' condition..
> >
>
> Are you sure? Or is over-rev protection done by a spring in the
> distributor rotor? Or maybe both...
>
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:59:07 -0500
> From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Markus thanks a million, yes I think it was KAE, I am like you a true Bosch person never had any problem from this company. Regards, Cecil
>
> From: mfm at meyerprobateproperties.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:52:50 -0700Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> Cecil,
>
> Not sure if you found the location of the FPR yet, its between the primary and secondary firewall. What brand was the one from Autohaus? Hopefully not KAE, they are not known to be the best quality. Anyhow, that relay controls multiple things as described below.
>
> Markus Meyer
> mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com
> www.meyerprobateproperties.com
> Meyer Probate & Properties, LLC
> 484-919-9762
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issueFrom: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>Date: Wed, October 29, 2008 8:47 amTo: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
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> To: jhodgman at gmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:38 -0400From: shinzbox at aol.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later. It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.Shin
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> -----Original Message-----From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 amSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I would return those parts until you go through things... Where are you located? Jonathan rider tn wrote: > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at > normal operating temp, the engine just stops a
> nd the amber light on > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, > any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. > Learn Now > <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The MB Coupes Website! > W126 SEC Mailing List > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C. The MB Coupes Website! W126 SEC Mailing List Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L
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> From: "Markus Meyer" <mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com>
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> From: malcolm369 at comcast.net
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> Hi Dan,
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> I am sure yes....... The MB CD lists our relay ( N16/4 ) as the " Fuel pump relay with kickdown cut-out ".... It works as such on my car.. I need a new relay.. Cuts off the motor at full chat .. BANG!
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> The rotor, at least on my US '87 model year ignition rotor doesn't have a spring .. though I am familiar with what you speak of from 60s era Bosch ign. components..
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> Cheers, MBL
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> > Are you sure? Or is over-rev protection done by a spring in the
> > distributor rotor? Or maybe both...
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:19:03 -0400
> From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Cecil,
> According to my mechanic this relay is a single unit and he charged me $120 for it. The total including 3 days of diagnosis, arriving at that conclusion and installation was $280. Now the car has not acted like that including trips from Los Angeles to Monterey last August.
> Shin
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> Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
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> To: jhodgman at gmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:38 -0400
> From: shinzbox at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later.? It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.
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> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 am
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> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I would return those parts until you go through things...?
> ?
> Where are you located??
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> Jonathan?
> ?
> rider tn wrote:?
> > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at > normal operating temp, the engine just stops and the amber light on > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, > any help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott?
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> From: ARTHUR STILLWELL <corker1957 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Terry, Thank you very much, it is a BIG help.
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> Corky
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> At 05:55 AM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
> >Corky ? Here is a link that shows the fuel pump
> >relay. The red arrow points to the fan blower
> >fuse. The fuel pump relay is at the other end of the red arrow.
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> ><http://www.mymbsec.com/maintenance/blower-fuse.htm>http://www.MyMBSEC.com/maintenance/blower-fuse.htm
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> >Best Regards,
> >Terry C. Ratliff
> >eMail: <mailto:Terry at MyMBSEC.com>Terry at MyMBSEC.com
> >Web site: <http://mymbsec.com/>http://MyMBSEC.com
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> >From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> >[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of ARTHUR STILLWELL
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:31 PM
> >To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> >Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> >Hey Dick,
> >
> >It may sound really dumb, but I have a 500sec
> >that I think the relay is gone. But being as I
> >am new to the Mercedes car culture, I don't know
> >where the fuel pump relay is. Could you give me a place to look.
> >
> >Corky
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> >At 07:47 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >ditto Jonathan's remarks..fuel pump relay should
> >be first item to go if you have a spare you can
> >swap. Leave the rest alone until proper diagnostics have been performed.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dick
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM, rider tn
> ><<mailto:ridertn at hotmail.com>ridertn at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question
> >regarding my 1984 380 SEC euro/gray. I was given
> >this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked
> >the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting
> >it. I drained the tank and the tank screen was
> >clear of any dirt or foreign material also a new
> >sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark
> >plugs, cap, rotor button, & wires all replaced.
> >The reason I am emailing into the group
> >basically the 380 runs and drives great then
> >when running at normal operating temp, the
> >engine just stops and the amber light on the
> >fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten
> >minutes the engine starts right up. I have asked
> >several shops that have worked on my car, they
> >said that they will just have to start from the
> >back and head toward the front. I have ordered a
> >new Bosch fuel pump, new iginiton unit. Checked
> >the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, any
> >help would be greatly appreciated. Cecil Elliott
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> Shin by chance was this reply the actual fuel relay to the back left side of the fuse/relay box? Hope I am not asking many questions, just simply do not have a lot of help w/euro version of 380SEC, even though both US/Euro both have same relays. Thanks a million for the help. Regards, Cecil Elliott
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> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:19:03 -0400From: shinzbox at aol.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> Cecil,According to my mechanic this relay is a single unit and he charged me $120 for it. The total including 3 days of diagnosis, arriving at that conclusion and installation was $280. Now the car has not acted like that including trips from Los Angeles to Monterey last August.Shin
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> -----Original Message-----From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 5:47 amSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
>
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> Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
>
> To: jhodgman at gmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:38 -0400From: shinzbox at aol.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later. It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.Shin
>
> -----Original Message-----From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 amSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I would return those parts until you go through things... Where are you located? Jonathan rider tn wrote: > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at > normal operating temp, the engine just stops a
> nd the amber light on > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, > any help would be greatly apprecia ted. Cecil Elliott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. > Learn Now > <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%2120EE04FBC541789%21167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The MB Coupes Website! > W126 SEC Mailing List > Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C. The MB Coupes Website! W126 SEC Mailing List Postings remain property of MB Coupes
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> From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
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> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:19:03 -0400
> From: shinzbox at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> Cecil,
> According to my mechanic this relay is a single unit and he charged me $120 for it. The total including 3 days of diagnosis, arriving at that conclusion and installation was $280. Now the car has not acted like that including trips from Los Angeles to Monterey last August.
> Shin
>
>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rider tn <ridertn at hotmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 5:47 am
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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>
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> Shin can you please explain what relay directly that you are speaking of fuel cutoff, speed control relays. I know exactly about the fuel relay but have not heard of a fuel cutoff, or a speed control relay. Thanks for your help, I have ordered a fuel relay from Autohauz AZ, they really have great prices and products. Regards, Cecil Elliott
>
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> To: jhodgman at gmail.com; mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:38 -0400
> From: shinzbox at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
>
>
>
> I had a similar problem I posted a while back. the car would die cruising at 80mph in the fast lane. I had thrilling moments making it across all the lanes to the shoulder, where it would start again later.? It was the fuel cut off and speed control relay. Probably the same thing Jonathan is talking about.
>
> Shin
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>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Hodgman <blueridgemb at gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:06 am
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] W126 electrical/fuel issue
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> I'd start w/ a fuel pump relay just for fun... If they pumps we bad they would likely be making a nasty sound or two.. Any shop that says we need to throw parts @ a problem to fix it is retarded.. Test pressures, test volume, test amperage draw....there are LOTS of things one can do before throwing parts @ a fuel system problem. If possible I would return those parts until you go through things...?
> ?
> Where are you located??
> ?
> Jonathan?
> ?
> rider tn wrote:?
> > Hello Folks just wanted to ask a question regarding my 1984 380 SEC > euro/gray. I was given this beautiful machine by my dad, he had parked > the car for 1.5-2 years without driving/starting it. I drained the > tank and the tank screen was clear of any dirt or foreign material > also a new sender for the fuel guage. New Bosch spark plugs, cap, > rotor button, & wires all replaced. The reason I am emailing into the > group basically the 380 runs and drives great then when running at > normal operating temp, the engine just stops and the amber light on > the fuel guage comes on. After waiting for five-ten minutes the engine > starts right up. I have asked several shops that have worked on my > car, they said that they will just have to start from the back and > head toward the front. I have ordered a new Bosch fuel pump, new > iginiton unit. Checked the fuel relay did not have any wires loose, > any help would be greatly apprecia ted. Cecil Elliott?
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