[W126 Coupe] gas prices
Bruce Mendel
brucem105 at comcast.net
Thu Jul 10 13:24:49 EDT 2008
I'd like to believe it, but I do not believe that 6 oz's of ANYTHING raises octane 5 full points. It's impossible. Toluene is 114 octane as a standalone product, so if you mix one gallon of that to one gallon of gas, you're at 103 and that's a GALLON of 114. For 6 ozs to raise it that high, it's need to be 150+ octane, which is impossible.
So that, and the lack of any real data on MPG, leaves me a doubter. If it feels good, and seems to do something positive, that's great. But no way does it raise octane like you say it does. And if it raised MPG over 20% like you say, it would be wildly well known and popular, and recommended by everyone from CU to green groups.
Sorry, not buying the claims that easily.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Beyersdoerfer
To: Bruce Mendel ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices
Bruce,
I don't blame anyone for being skeptical. I was before I tested for myself and then became a distributor.
What is funny is the most skeptical guys in the beginning our now my best customers.
It will take 92 to 96-97 depending on the blend in your area. This products performance has been proven on a dyno many times on many different engines.
One 6 oz bottle cost $10.95 treats 30 gals.
Speaking of Jeeps my wife's 2007 Jeep Commander Flex Fuel V8 gets 13.5 MPG without 17-18 MPG with LHP.
They also have a diesel product that is even more amazing. We have a Semi Truck fleet customer who picked up 300 miles per tank for $14.95. He is not complaining.
Go to www.liquidhorsepower.com.
Mike
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Bruce Mendel wrote:
I am really wondering about those claims (nothing personal).
First of all, in the industry they use the term "points" of octane pretty liberally. It actually means tenths of a point. So when you say a can of LHP raises octane 5 points, that means it goes from 92 to 92.5, which most people do not realizes.
Second, fuel burning slower, if that's even possible, is bad for power and maybe good for fuel economy. But I would still wait for a truly scientific test of the results.
The ASTM test result is nice, but is mostly qualitative, not quantitative. For example, exactly how much MPG increase is there, and how was it tested? And same for HP. And I'd love to see before and after octane testing as well.
Not saying it doesn't help, but those are some serious claims without real scientifically derived data to back them up.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Beyersdoerfer
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices
Hi Jay,
We have the same problem here in Colorado, except we have another factor at 5000 ft.
I use Liquid Horsepower in my car 1987 560SEC. This product has a combustion catalyst that makes the fuel burn slower. My car runs better, gets better mileage and keeps injectors clean even on mid grade fuel. It raises the octane 5 points.
Last year I used this product with great results for 5000 miles on the Hot Rod Power Tour in my 1965 Buick, with a Buick 455 Stage One motor at 10.5 compression with 36 degrees advance.
I am the Western Distributor and sell this product all over the country. We have over 150 Harley Davidson dealers who swear by this product. Harleys won't run properly on pump gas here.
It has also been tested using the standard ASTM D5500 test procedures. which is commonly used for evaluation of intake valve deposit formation. This method uses a1985 BMW 318i driven in a driving pattern comprising 10%, 20% urban and 70% highway driving for 10,000 miles.
Results of the test were
1.LHP exhibits good intake valve detergency and meets EPA compliance performance criteria
2. Improved fuel economy,reduced exhaust emissions, prevents drivability deterioration (rough idling, stalling and surging)
3. Excellent clean up performance under a modified CARB D 5598 test method at a concentration rate of 85 ppmv
If you want to try it out call me,
Good Luck,
Mike
970-377-2882
87 560 SEC
65 Buick Sportwagon
72 Buick Skylark
On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:29 AM, jflyer2 at aim.com wrote:
Here in Florida, the big push is for E10 (10% ethanol blend) with a new law passed that mandates its use by 2010. However, even though it burns cleaner and is supposedly cheaper that regular gas, it is not being sold any cheaper here and they neglect to tell the consumer that ethanol provides only about 2/3 the power of pure gas. Thus giving cars using E10 about three percent less fuel economy while not running as well. Also, the older the car, the gas mileage is affected even more. Cars built before 1982, may in fact, sustain engine damage from using it.
Since it is primarily made from corn and corn is used as feed for cattle, the cost of beef is increasing.
I guess that we'll have to start eating veggie burgers and quit driving our coupes and donate them to either museums or scrap yards. Or maybe we'll have to look at converting them to Prius power.
Jay
'91 560 SEC (Almost a full=time driver and no where near a museum quality.) ;-(
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Sporner <asporner at googlemail.com>
To: RONNY GEENEN <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 3:52 am
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] gas prices
Ohhh such a senstive subject with our group ;-)
> With gas prices surging, ExxonMobil chief Rex Tillerson made $21.7 million
> last year; Chevron's David O'Reilly made $15.7 million. But the companies
> claim they're not to blame for high prices. So why the big payouts?
Like the prez sez, "we're hooked on oil!"
As I had said before, I would hope alternatives would be better researched.
The government here (germany) doesn't tax LPG (yet!!). I would think if our
(US) government were clever and is *really* serious about getting us off and
to improve overall security, they would follow suite.
Still it is nice to drive a guzzler from time to time ;-)
Andy
>
> Ronny
> Glendora, Ca 91740
> 1987 560 SEC
> 1984 300 SD
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