[W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 48, Issue 31
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Sun Aug 24 16:38:42 EDT 2008
Andy,
Refurbished fuel distributor few months ago, I figure it must be something
electrical as you suggest.
Thanks,
Dr H
87 560SEL
91 560SEC
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:16:13 +0000
From: Mister McGoo <eelploot at hotmail.com>
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SHIN;
>From your description I believe the problem is your wiper switch has gone
south. You obviously know how to remove that assembly from the steering
column. See if you can steal, beg or borrow another switch assembly, used or
whatever, and plug it in as a test.
If the problem is what I suspect (the wipers run as soon as the ignition
switch is turned "on" regardless of where the wiper switch is), yes, you're
right, the starter motor will run slower because it doesn't like sharing the
power needs with the wiper motor.
Your '94 E320 may have exactly the same problem. The wiper/turn signal
assembly is NOT the same part. (not interchangeable) There IS another possibility
that in particular MAY pertain to the '94 E320.
The early/mid 90's Mercedes models are all known to have crappy wiring
harnesses susceptible to insulation failure. The wiring to the wiper function may
be shorting. THAT'S MUCH LESS LIKELY (in my opinion) as usually a number of
intermittent electrical abnormalities appear around the same time, usually
odd things DON'T work, and occasionally fuses blow.
I'd look at the wiper switch first.
-Bellamy
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:11:52 -0400From:
shinzbox at aol.comSubject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
Bellamy,Interesting you mention the W124 because the exact same thing iis
happening to my wife's '94 E320. See below:
"....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the harness
meets the back of the ignition key assembly. He's seen the behavior you
describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges $200
with labor to do the repair....." Haha. Why? Because if the problem is the
ignition switch (the other end of the ignition/steering lock assembly to which
the wiring harness plugs) the easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to
remove the engine and use a torch to cut holes in the firewalls beside the
steering column. And THAT operation is a piece of cake compared to what is
necessary the W124!! Seriously, I question whether that is the problem. When you
turn the ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low
fuel), right? That's normal. That's your "test" to see that all your warning
lights work. When you further engage the starter the warning lights will go
out when the engine starts. That's normal. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING
. Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch when the
engine is running? YES What happens when you actually turn the wipers "on"?
(I have lost your original message, I suspect the wipers still run). YES.
What happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent? What happens when
you switch to fast speed? ALL POSITION WORKS UNTIL I SWITCH IT OFF. BY THIS
TIME THE ENGINE IS OPERATING NORMALLY. Power is provided to the wiper switch
(& relay) through the ignition switch and the wipers will only work when the
ignition is "on". The problem is likely with the wiper switch itself, not
the ignition switch. Sounds like your ignition switch performs perfectly
normally and your wiper switch is locked (broken) "on". IS THAT DRAWING THE POWER
AWAY SO THE STARTING IS WEAK? By coincidence actually, we were just talking
about how to remove the turn signal/wiper assembly. Except in your
case you have airbags. Unfortunately, the easiest way to remove the wiper
stalk assembly in YOUR car is to remove the engine and cut the steering shaft
off at the steering box .... I'M JUST KIDDING!!! but DO ask someone about
dealing with the airbag equipped steering wheel... I have had no experience.
And DON'T try anything about removing that steering wheel without fully
understanding the procedure! I HAVE REPLACED MY W126 STEERING WHEEL WITH A WOODEN
ONE. JUST DISENGAGE THE AIRBAG CONNECTOR UNDER THE PASSENGER FOOTWELL
CARPET/RUBBER MAT, UNSCREW THE 2 HEX BOLTS BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL AND CAREFULLY
LIFT AWAY THE AIR BAG COVER. THEN THE NORMAL STEERING WHEEL BOLT APPEARS. I
DISCONNECTED THE BATTERY FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY.THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. SHIN
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:34:33 EDT
From: Drhpat at aol.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 48, Issue 30
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Good Morning Guys,
What would cause an 87' 560 SEL to cut out when idling in DRIVE, then when
going down highway and roll down windows cut down on speed by 5-10 mph?
Also
when I adjust a seat.
Thanks,
Dr H
91 560 SEC
87 560 SEL
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5. Re: Electrical / start problem (Shin Takei)
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:31:02 -0400
From: "Dick Spellman" <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
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Hi Shin,
My independent mechanic and I met today for coffee. I explained your
symptoms. He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
harness meets the back of the ignition key assembly. He's seen the behavior
you describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he
charges $200 with labor to do the repair.
Good luck,
Dick
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Recently my '91 560 SEC has had slow starting. When the ignition is turned
> on, all the lights in the instrument panel come on and when cranked, it is
> slow and the wiper turns on without the switch being on. Then it starts
and
> maintains until the engine is shut off and the same is repeated. All
> indicator lights including charging turns off when the engine is on. This
> has been going on for at least two weeks so I checked the battery voltage
> which reads 12.45 with engine off and 13.65 with engine on. So it can't be
> the battery and it seems to be charging. Any ideas on what it could be?
Some
> short along the way? dieing regulater?
> Thanks to all of you experts.
>
> Shin
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:19:29 +0000
From: Mister McGoo <eelploot at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
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Hi,"....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
harness meets the back of the ignition key assembly. He's seen the
behavior you
describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges
$200
with labor to do the repair....."
Haha. Why? Because if the problem is the ignition switch (the other end
of
the ignition/steering lock assembly to which the wiring harness plugs) the
easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to remove the engine and use a
torch
to cut holes in the firewalls beside the steering column. And THAT
operation
is a piece of cake compared to what is necessary the W124!!
Seriously, I question whether that is the problem. When you turn the
ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low fuel),
right?
That's normal. That's your "test" to see that all your warning lights
work.
When you further engage the starter the warning lights will go out when the
engine starts. That's normal.
Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch
when the
engine is running? What happens when you actually turn the wipers "on"?
(I
have lost your original message, I suspect the wipers still run). What
happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent? What happens when you
switch
to fast speed?
Power is provided to the wiper switch (& relay) through the ignition switch
and the wipers will only work when the ignition is "on". The problem is
likely with the wiper switch itself, not the ignition switch. Sounds like
your
ignition switch performs perfectly normally and your wiper switch is locked
(broken) "on".
By coincidence actually, we were just talking about how to remove the turn
signal/wiper assembly. Except in your case you have airbags.
Unfortunately,
the easiest way to remove the wiper stalk assembly in YOUR car is to remove
the engine and cut the steering shaft off at the steering box .... I'M
JUST
KIDDING!!! but DO ask someone about dealing with the airbag equipped
steering wheel... I have had no experience. And DON'T try anything about
removing
that steering wheel without fully understanding the procedure!
-Bellamy
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:54:09 -0400
From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
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Dick,
Wow, I'm glad you are friends with your wrench enough to have coffee. I
will
definitely look into it.
Thanks
Shin
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Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
Hi Shin,
My independent mechanic and I met today for coffee.? I explained your
symptoms.? He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
harness
meets the back of the ignition key assembly.? He's seen the behavior you
describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges
$200 with
labor to do the repair.
Good luck,
Dick
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Recently my '91 560 SEC has had slow starting. When the ignition is turned
on, all the lights in the instrument panel come on and when cranked, it is
slow and the wiper turns on without the switch being on.? Then it starts
and
maintains until the engine is shut off and the same is repeated. All
indicator
lights including charging turns off when the engine is on. This has been
going
on for at least two weeks so I checked the battery voltage which reads
12.45
with engine off and 13.65 with engine on. So it can't be the battery and it
seems to be charging. Any ideas on what it could be? Some short along the
way? dieing regulater?
Thanks to all of you experts.
Shin
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:08:54 -0400
From: Axel Wulff <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
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The curved guide rod may work on the sedan as well, though it is longer
than
the straight one for the sedan.
In any case, the curved guide rod is closer to the glass at the
top.Regards,
Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug
2008
07:43:11 +0000Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
Blind...
Morning Axel, Yes it does, many thanks - it makes sense now :o) I bought a
sedan guide rail with my service bits and peices and it has a slight bend
near
one end - it was just to figure out which end the bend went - i'll have a
play when i go to install it after the retrim.Thanks again Jon
From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug 2008
18:41:17 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
Blind...
Jon, I installed the electric blind in my SEC. The one I bought was tan and
I had to retrim it in gray. A bit of work, but nothing too demanding. 1.
The
kinked rod guide is not for the sedan, it is for the coupe. You can get the
straight rod guide from your local dealer.2. Yes, the spring goes on top of
the toothed guide rod, between the guide rod and the blind pulley.3. No,
the
blind is not attached to the rod. It retracts when the rod is lowered. Hope
this helps.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug
2008
09:08:02 +0000Subject: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
Hi Everybody, I'm after a bit of info on the rear electric blind for the
W126... I've just been able to find a rear electric blind for my SEL which
needs
a bit of repair and a retrim. the blind has come to me in a collection of
bits but I have been able to purchase some missing or broken parts from
mercedes to make it work again but i have 3 questions which i'm hoping
somebody can
answer which will stop me taking the blind in my SEC apart. 1. The kink in
the SEL guide rod - does it go at the top or the bottom? 2. I have been
given
a spring, which the guide from mercedes goes between the white toothed rod
and the black blind fixing - is this just a buffer or is it supposed to be
attached to the 2 parts? 3. In relation to question 2 - if the blind is not
attached to the rod does the blind automatically retract by the blind's
spring
loading? Thanks Jon
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:25:33 -0700
From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Gear Shift Lever Removal
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Can someone explain how to remove the gear shift lever (knob)? I got as
far
as removing the wood piece around the gear shift; but, no luck in loosening
the two bolts that hold the gear shift laver. How do I get a tool in place
to loosen up the bolts? I looked through the archives to no
avail.Thanks,Camran
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Help me be removed from mailing list please
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i wasn't trying to get off of the list but somehow i did once and believe
it
happen by me putting their email list on my block addresses and they, mb
coupes, asked that if i didn't do something, can't remember now, that they
would
remove from the list. they gave me 3 warnings and after the 3rd i got off
and had to re-subscribe.
so the solution, just put them on block and at a minimum you won't get the
emails
ANDREW NOLAN <anolan68 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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Can I get help from anyone to remove me from this mailing list? I am in
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] how to take radio out ?
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thanks markus and dick for the help the info on link is great. think
i
can take it from here
i'll probably just put in a cd player after i get torn apart. thanks
again
Markus Meyer <mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com> wrote:
what year and model? Not all needed a code. See here for your model/year
and it will tell you if a code is needed:
http://web.mac.com/dakota/Mercedes/Becker.html
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Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] how to take radio out ?
From: "Dick Spellman" <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, August 22, 2008 10:22 pm
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
There's a great idea and yes just punch the 4-digit code in when prompted
and you are good to go. If you make a mistake it sets a timer and you'll
have
to wait it out before punching the code in yet again.
Good luck,
Dick
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
say i go to the same yard and the car is still there. i get the vin, give
the vin to mb dealer. then what happens? what's the deal with the code.
am
i going to punch into the radio so it will work?
Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com> wrote: Good question, I don't
know the answer. Perhaps someone on the list can chime in, otherwise I'd
try a
call to your local MB dealer to see if any identifying numbers on the radio
will be of help in obtaining the code.
Dick
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
i took one out of a junk yard car. what do i do in that case?
Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com> wrote: sort of Gary. You need
to run a length of solid wire down either side to release the clips if it's
the original Becker. Also, you'll need the code if you pull it and plan on
using it again. Your VIN taken to the MB dealer will get you the code.
-\Dick
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
...after you take all the stuff off and the radio is exposed is it just
those two silver clips that have to be pushed down and the radio just
slides out?
anyone
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:11:52 -0400
From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
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Bellamy,
Interesting you mention the W124 because the exact same thing iis happening
to my wife's '94 E320. See below:
"....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the harness
meets the back of the ignition key assembly.? He's seen the behavior you
describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges
$200
with labor to do the repair....."
?
Haha.? Why?? Because?if the problem is the ignition switch (the other end
of
the ignition/steering lock assembly to which the wiring harness plugs) the
easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to remove the engine and use a
torch
to?cut holes in the firewalls beside the steering column.? And THAT
operation
is a piece of cake compared to what is necessary?the W124!!
?
Seriously, I question whether that is the problem.? When you turn the
ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low fuel),
right??
That's normal.? That's your "test" to see that all your warning lights
work.?
When you further engage the starter the warning lights will go out when the
engine starts.? That's normal. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
?
Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch
when the
engine is running?? YES What happens when you actually turn the wipers
"on"??
(I have lost your original message, I suspect the wipers?still run). YES.
What happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent?? What happens when
you
switch to fast speed??? ALL POSITION WORKS UNTIL I SWITCH IT OFF. BY THIS
TIME THE ENGINE IS OPERATING NORMALLY.
?
Power is provided to the wiper switch (& relay)?through the ignition switch
and the wipers?will only work when the ignition is "on".? The problem is
likely with the wiper?switch itself, not the ignition switch.? Sounds like
your
ignition switch performs perfectly normally and your wiper switch is locked
(broken) "on". IS THAT DRAWING THE POWER AWAY SO THE STARTING IS WEAK?
?
By coincidence actually, we were just talking about how to remove the turn
signal/wiper assembly.??Except in your case?you have airbags.?
Unfortunately,
the easiest way to remove the wiper?stalk assembly in?YOUR car is to remove
the engine and cut the steering shaft off at the steering box?....? I'M
JUST
KIDDING!!!? but DO ask someone about dealing with the airbag equipped
steering
wheel... I have had no experience.? And DON'T try?anything?about removing
that steering wheel?without fully understanding the procedure! I HAVE
REPLACED
MY W126 STEERING WHEEL WITH A WOODEN ONE. JUST DISENGAGE THE AIRBAG
CONNECTOR
UNDER THE PASSENGER FOOTWELL CARPET/RUBBER MAT, UNSCREW THE 2 HEX BOLTS
BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL AND CAREFULLY LIFT AWAY THE AIR BAG COVER. THEN
THE
NORMAL STEERING WHEEL BOLT APPEARS.? I DISCONNECTED THE BATTERY FOR
ADDITIONAL
SAFETY.
THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.
?
SHIN
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:28:39 +0000
From: Jon Pridham <jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
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Hi Axel,
Thanks again for the info.
Jon
560SEC
560SEL
From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug 2008
23:08:54 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
Blind...
The curved guide rod may work on the sedan as well, though it is longer
than
the straight one for the sedan. In any case, the curved guide rod is closer
to the glass at the top.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453
Cellular610-572-4611 Home
From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug
2008
07:43:11 +0000Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
Blind...
Morning Axel, Yes it does, many thanks - it makes sense now :o) I bought a
sedan guide rail with my service bits and peices and it has a slight bend
near
one end - it was just to figure out which end the bend went - i'll have a
play when i go to install it after the retrim.Thanks again Jon
From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug 2008
18:41:17 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
Blind...
Jon, I installed the electric blind in my SEC. The one I bought was tan and
I had to retrim it in gray. A bit of work, but nothing too demanding. 1.
The
kinked rod guide is not for the sedan, it is for the coupe. You can get the
straight rod guide from your local dealer.2. Yes, the spring goes on top of
the toothed guide rod, between the guide rod and the blind pulley.3. No,
the
blind is not attached to the rod. It retracts when the rod is lowered. Hope
this helps.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug
2008
09:08:02 +0000Subject: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
Hi Everybody, I'm after a bit of info on the rear electric blind for the
W126... I've just been able to find a rear electric blind for my SEL which
needs
a bit of repair and a retrim. the blind has come to me in a collection of
bits but I have been able to purchase some missing or broken parts from
mercedes to make it work again but i have 3 questions which i'm hoping
somebody can
answer which will stop me taking the blind in my SEC apart. 1. The kink in
the SEL guide rod - does it go at the top or the bottom? 2. I have been
given
a spring, which the guide from mercedes goes between the white toothed rod
and the black blind fixing - is this just a buffer or is it supposed to be
attached to the 2 parts? 3. In relation to question 2 - if the blind is not
attached to the rod does the blind automatically retract by the blind's
spring
loading? Thanks Jon
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:02:20 +0200
From: "Andrew Sporner" <asporner at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 48, Issue 30
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Hi Dr. H
Well I had one of your symtoms and it was a gunked up fuel distributor.
(it was running too fat on one of the cylinders).
However I would venture to say it sounds electrical, where something
is interrering with control computer.
Did you check the condition of the fuses? (see older post) Could be
that something is pulling enough current in certain cases to cause the
motor control computer to become interrupted.
Regards
Andy
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:34 PM, <Drhpat at aol.com> wrote:
> Good Morning Guys,
>
> What would cause an 87' 560 SEL to cut out when idling in DRIVE, then when
> going down highway and roll down windows cut down on speed by 5-10 mph?
Also
> when I adjust a seat.
>
> Thanks,
> Dr H
> 91 560 SEC
> 87 560 SEL
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> 4. Re: Electrical / start problem (Mister McGoo)
> 5. Re: Electrical / start problem (Shin Takei)
> 6. Re: Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind... (Axel Wulff)
> 7. Gear Shift Lever Removal (Camran Nassiri)
> 8. Re: Help me be removed from mailing list please (Gary)
> 9. Re: how to take radio out ? (Gary)
> 10. Re: Electrical / start problem (Shin Takei)
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
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> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Help me be removed from mailing list please
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:31:02 -0400
> From: "Dick Spellman" <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Hi Shin,
>
> My independent mechanic and I met today for coffee. I explained your
> symptoms. He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
> harness meets the back of the ignition key assembly. He's seen the
> behavior
> you describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he
> charges $200 with labor to do the repair.
>
> Good luck,
> Dick
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > Recently my '91 560 SEC has had slow starting. When the ignition is
> turned
> > on, all the lights in the instrument panel come on and when cranked, it
> is
> > slow and the wiper turns on without the switch being on. Then it starts
> and
> > maintains until the engine is shut off and the same is repeated. All
> > indicator lights including charging turns off when the engine is on.
This
> > has been going on for at least two weeks so I checked the battery voltage
> > which reads 12.45 with engine off and 13.65 with engine on. So it can't
> be
> > the battery and it seems to be charging. Any ideas on what it could be?
> Some
> > short along the way? dieing regulater?
> > Thanks to all of you experts.
> >
> > Shin
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:19:29 +0000
> From: Mister McGoo <eelploot at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> Hi,"....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
> harness meets the back of the ignition key assembly. He's seen the
behavior
> you describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he
> charges $200 with labor to do the repair....."
>
> Haha. Why? Because if the problem is the ignition switch (the other end
> of the ignition/steering lock assembly to which the wiring harness plugs)
> the easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to remove the engine and use a
> torch to cut holes in the firewalls beside the steering column. And THAT
> operation is a piece of cake compared to what is necessary the W124!!
>
> Seriously, I question whether that is the problem. When you turn the
> ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low fuel),
> right? That's normal. That's your "test" to see that all your warning
> lights work. When you further engage the starter the warning lights will
go
> out when the engine starts. That's normal.
>
> Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
> position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch
> when the engine is running? What happens when you actually turn the wipers
> "on"? (I have lost your original message, I suspect the wipers still run).
> What happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent? What happens when
> you switch to fast speed?
>
> Power is provided to the wiper switch (& relay) through the ignition switch
> and the wipers will only work when the ignition is "on". The problem is
> likely with the wiper switch itself, not the ignition switch. Sounds like
> your ignition switch performs perfectly normally and your wiper switch is
> locked (broken) "on".
>
> By coincidence actually, we were just talking about how to remove the turn
> signal/wiper assembly. Except in your case you have airbags.
> Unfortunately, the easiest way to remove the wiper stalk assembly in YOUR
> car is to remove the engine and cut the steering shaft off at the steering
> box .... I'M JUST KIDDING!!! but DO ask someone about dealing with the
> airbag equipped steering wheel... I have had no experience. And DON'T try
> anything about removing that steering wheel without fully understanding the
> procedure!
>
> -Bellamy
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:54:09 -0400
> From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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>
> Dick,
>
>
> Wow, I'm glad you are friends with your wrench enough to have coffee. I
> will definitely look into it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Shin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 1:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Shin,
>
> My independent mechanic and I met today for coffee.? I explained your
> symptoms.? He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the
> harness meets the back of the ignition key assembly.? He's seen the
behavior
> you describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he
> charges $200 with labor to do the repair.
>
>
> Good luck,
> Dick
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Recently my '91 560 SEC has had slow starting. When the ignition is turned
> on, all the lights in the instrument panel come on and when cranked, it is
> slow and the wiper turns on without the switch being on.? Then it starts
and
> maintains until the engine is shut off and the same is repeated. All
> indicator lights including charging turns off when the engine is on. This
> has been going on for at least two weeks so I checked the battery voltage
> which reads 12.45 with engine off and 13.65 with engine on. So it can't be
> the battery and it seems to be charging. Any ideas on what it could be?
Some
> short along the way? dieing regulater?
>
>
> Thanks to all of you experts.
>
>
>
> Shin
>
>
>
>
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> From: Axel Wulff <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
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> The curved guide rod may work on the sedan as well, though it is longer
> than the straight one for the sedan.
>
> In any case, the curved guide rod is closer to the glass at the
> top.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
>
>
>
> From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug
> 2008 07:43:11 +0000Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric
Rear
> Blind...
>
>
> Morning Axel, Yes it does, many thanks - it makes sense now :o) I bought a
> sedan guide rail with my service bits and peices and it has a slight bend
> near one end - it was just to figure out which end the bend went - i'll
have
> a play when i go to install it after the retrim.Thanks again Jon
>
>
>
> From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug 2008
> 18:41:17 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
> Blind...
>
> Jon, I installed the electric blind in my SEC. The one I bought was tan
and
> I had to retrim it in gray. A bit of work, but nothing too demanding. 1.
The
> kinked rod guide is not for the sedan, it is for the coupe. You can get the
> straight rod guide from your local dealer.2. Yes, the spring goes on top of
> the toothed guide rod, between the guide rod and the blind pulley.3. No,
the
> blind is not attached to the rod. It retracts when the rod is lowered. Hope
> this helps.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
>
>
>
> From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug
> 2008 09:08:02 +0000Subject: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
> Blind...
>
> Hi Everybody, I'm after a bit of info on the rear electric blind for the
> W126... I've just been able to find a rear electric blind for my SEL which
> needs a bit of repair and a retrim. the blind has come to me in a
> collection of bits but I have been able to purchase some missing or broken
> parts from mercedes to make it work again but i have 3 questions which i'm
> hoping somebody can answer which will stop me taking the blind in my SEC
> apart. 1. The kink in the SEL guide rod - does it go at the top or the
> bottom? 2. I have been given a spring, which the guide from mercedes goes
> between the white toothed rod and the black blind fixing - is this just a
> buffer or is it supposed to be attached to the 2 parts? 3. In relation to
> question 2 - if the blind is not attached to the rod does the blind
> automatically retract by the blind's spring loading? Thanks Jon
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:25:33 -0700
> From: Camran Nassiri <mbzman560 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Gear Shift Lever Removal
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> Can someone explain how to remove the gear shift lever (knob)? I got as
> far as removing the wood piece around the gear shift; but, no luck in
> loosening the two bolts that hold the gear shift laver. How do I get a
tool
> in place to loosen up the bolts? I looked through the archives to no
> avail.Thanks,Camran
> 90 560SEC, 91 410SEL, 80 240D
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Help me be removed from mailing list please
> To: anolan68 at yahoo.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
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> i wasn't trying to get off of the list but somehow i did once and believe
> it happen by me putting their email list on my block addresses and they, mb
> coupes, asked that if i didn't do something, can't remember now, that they
> would remove from the list. they gave me 3 warnings and after the 3rd i
> got off and had to re-subscribe.
>
> so the solution, just put them on block and at a minimum you won't get
> the emails
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> ANDREW NOLAN <anolan68 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Can I get help from anyone to remove me from this mailing list? I am in
> poor health and have no time for this anymore. Thank you.
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> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] how to take radio out ?
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> thanks markus and dick for the help the info on link is great. think
> i can take it from here
>
> i'll probably just put in a cd player after i get torn apart. thanks
> again
>
> Markus Meyer <mfm at meyerprobateproperties.com> wrote:
>
> what year and model? Not all needed a code. See here for your
> model/year and it will tell you if a code is needed:
>
> http://web.mac.com/dakota/Mercedes/Becker.html
>
> Markus Meyer
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> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] how to take radio out ?
> From: "Dick Spellman" <dick.spellman at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, August 22, 2008 10:22 pm
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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> There's a great idea and yes just punch the 4-digit code in when prompted
> and you are good to go. If you make a mistake it sets a timer and you'll
> have to wait it out before punching the code in yet again.
> Good luck,
> Dick
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> say i go to the same yard and the car is still there. i get the vin,
> give the vin to mb dealer. then what happens? what's the deal with the
> code. am i going to punch into the radio so it will work?
>
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> Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com> wrote: Good question, I don't
> know the answer. Perhaps someone on the list can chime in, otherwise I'd
> try a call to your local MB dealer to see if any identifying numbers on
the
> radio will be of help in obtaining the code.
>
> Dick
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> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> i took one out of a junk yard car. what do i do in that case?
>
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> Dick Spellman <dick.spellman at gmail.com> wrote: sort of Gary. You need
> to run a length of solid wire down either side to release the clips if it's
> the original Becker. Also, you'll need the code if you pull it and plan on
> using it again. Your VIN taken to the MB dealer will get you the code.
>
> -\Dick
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> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Gary <garysalas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...after you take all the stuff off and the radio is exposed is it just
> those two silver clips that have to be pushed down and the radio just
slides
> out?
>
> anyone
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> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:11:52 -0400
> From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
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> Bellamy,
> Interesting you mention the W124 because the exact same thing iis happening
> to my wife's '94 E320. See below:
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> "....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the harness
> meets the back of the ignition key assembly.? He's seen the behavior you
> describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges
> $200 with labor to do the repair....."
>
> ?
>
> Haha.? Why?? Because?if the problem is the ignition switch (the other end
> of the ignition/steering lock assembly to which the wiring harness plugs)
> the easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to remove the engine and use a
> torch to?cut holes in the firewalls beside the steering column.? And THAT
> operation is a piece of cake compared to what is necessary?the W124!!
>
> ?
>
> Seriously, I question whether that is the problem.? When you turn the
> ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low fuel),
> right?? That's normal.? That's your "test" to see that all your warning
> lights work.? When you further engage the starter the warning lights will
go
> out when the engine starts.? That's normal. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>
> ?
>
> Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
> position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch
> when the engine is running?? YES What happens when you actually turn the
> wipers "on"?? (I have lost your original message, I suspect the
wipers?still
> run). YES. What happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent?? What
> happens when you switch to fast speed??? ALL POSITION WORKS UNTIL I SWITCH
> IT OFF. BY THIS TIME THE ENGINE IS OPERATING NORMALLY.
>
> ?
>
> Power is provided to the wiper switch (& relay)?through the ignition switch
> and the wipers?will only work when the ignition is "on".? The problem is
> likely with the wiper?switch itself, not the ignition switch.? Sounds like
> your ignition switch performs perfectly normally and your wiper switch is
> locked (broken) "on". IS THAT DRAWING THE POWER AWAY SO THE STARTING IS
> WEAK?
>
> ?
>
> By coincidence actually, we were just talking about how to remove the turn
> signal/wiper assembly.??Except in your case?you have airbags.?
> Unfortunately, the easiest way to remove the wiper?stalk assembly in?YOUR
> car is to remove the engine and cut the steering shaft off at the steering
> box?....? I'M JUST KIDDING!!!? but DO ask someone about dealing with the
> airbag equipped steering wheel... I have had no experience.? And DON'T
> try?anything?about removing that steering wheel?without fully understanding
> the procedure! I HAVE REPLACED MY W126 STEERING WHEEL WITH A WOODEN ONE.
> JUST DISENGAGE THE AIRBAG CONNECTOR UNDER THE PASSENGER FOOTWELL
> CARPET/RUBBER MAT, UNSCREW THE 2 HEX BOLTS BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL AND
> CAREFULLY LIFT AWAY THE AIR BAG COVER. THEN THE NORMAL STEERING WHEEL BOLT
> APPEARS.? I DISCONNECTED THE BATTERY FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY.
>
> THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.
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> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:28:39 +0000
> From: Jon Pridham <jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear Blind...
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> Hi Axel,
>
> Thanks again for the info.
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> Jon
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> From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug 2008
> 23:08:54 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
> Blind...
>
>
> The curved guide rod may work on the sedan as well, though it is longer
> than the straight one for the sedan. In any case, the curved guide rod is
> closer to the glass at the top.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453
> Cellular610-572-4611 Home
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> From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 23 Aug
> 2008 07:43:11 +0000Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric
Rear
> Blind...
>
> Morning Axel, Yes it does, many thanks - it makes sense now :o) I bought a
> sedan guide rail with my service bits and peices and it has a slight bend
> near one end - it was just to figure out which end the bend went - i'll
have
> a play when i go to install it after the retrim.Thanks again Jon
>
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> From: axelwulff at hotmail.comTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug 2008
> 18:41:17 -0400Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
> Blind...
>
> Jon, I installed the electric blind in my SEC. The one I bought was tan and
> I had to retrim it in gray. A bit of work, but nothing too demanding. 1.
The
> kinked rod guide is not for the sedan, it is for the coupe. You can get the
> straight rod guide from your local dealer.2. Yes, the spring goes on top
of
> the toothed guide rod, between the guide rod and the blind pulley.3. No,
the
> blind is not attached to the rod. It retracts when the rod is lowered. Hope
> this helps.Regards, Axel J. Wulff610-731-5453 Cellular610-572-4611 Home
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> From: jon-lu974 at hotmail.co.ukTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Fri, 22 Aug
> 2008 09:08:02 +0000Subject: [W126 Coupe] Off Topic (ish) - Electric Rear
> Blind...
>
> Hi Everybody, I'm after a bit of info on the rear electric blind for the
> W126... I've just been able to find a rear electric blind for my SEL which
> needs a bit of repair and a retrim. the blind has come to me in a
> collection of bits but I have been able to purchase some missing or broken
> parts from mercedes to make it work again but i have 3 questions which i'm
> hoping somebody can answer which will stop me taking the blind in my SEC
> apart. 1. The kink in the SEL guide rod - does it go at the top or the
> bottom? 2. I have been given a spring, which the guide from mercedes goes
> between the white toothed rod and the black blind fixing - is this just a
> buffer or is it supposed to be attached to the 2 parts? 3. In relation to
> question 2 - if the blind is not attached to the rod does the blind
> automatically retract by the blind's spring loading? Thanks Jon
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:03:43 -0400
From: Shin Takei <shinzbox at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
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Thanks Bellamy,
I will certainly find out.
Cheers,
Shin
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From: Mister McGoo <eelploot at hotmail.com>
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 9:16 am
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
SHIN;
?
>From your description I believe the problem is your wiper switch has gone
south.? You obviously know how to remove that assembly from the steering
column.? See if you can?steal, beg or borrow?another switch assembly, used or
whatever, and plug it in as a test.
?
If the problem is what I suspect (the wipers run as soon as the ignition
switch is turned "on" regardless of where the wiper switch is), yes, you're
right, the starter motor will run slower because it doesn't like sharing the
power needs with the wiper motor.
?
Your '94 E320 may have exactly the same problem.? The wiper/turn signal
assembly is NOT the same part. (not interchangeable) There IS another possibility
that in particular?MAY pertain to the '94 E320.
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The early/mid 90's Mercedes models are all?known to have?crappy wiring
harnesses susceptible to insulation failure.? The wiring to the wiper function may
be shorting.? THAT'S?MUCH LESS LIKELY?(in my opinion) as usually?a number of
intermittent?electrical abnormalities appear around the same time,?usually
odd things DON'T work, and occasionally fuses blow.?
?
I'd look at the wiper switch first.??
?
-Bellamy
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:11:52 -0400
From: shinzbox at aol.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Electrical / start problem
Bellamy,
Interesting you mention the W124 because the exact same thing iis happening
to my wife's '94 E320. See below:
"....He suggests you check the ignition switch connector where the harness
meets the back of the ignition key assembly.? He's seen the behavior you
describe on other MB's and says it's a $20 MB dealer part but, he charges $200
with labor to do the repair....."
?
Haha.? Why?? Because?if the problem is the ignition switch (the other end of
the ignition/steering lock assembly to which the wiring harness plugs) the
easiest way to get at it on the W126 is to remove the engine and use a torch
to?cut holes in the firewalls beside the steering column.? And THAT operation
is a piece of cake compared to what is necessary?the W124!!
?
Seriously, I question whether that is the problem.? When you turn the
ignition "on" all the dash warning lights light (including the low fuel), right??
That's normal.? That's your "test" to see that all your warning lights work.?
When you further engage the starter the warning lights will go out when the
engine starts.? That's normal. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
?
Question: Do your wipers come "on" when you turn the key to ignition
position, and do they also keep running independently of the wiper switch when the
engine is running?? YES What happens when you actually turn the wipers "on"??
(I have lost your original message, I suspect the wipers?still run). YES.
What happens when you switch the wipers to intermittent?? What happens when you
switch to fast speed??? ALL POSITION WORKS UNTIL I SWITCH IT OFF. BY THIS
TIME THE ENGINE IS OPERATING NORMALLY.
?
Power is provided to the wiper switch (& relay)?through the ignition switch
and the wipers?will only work when the ignition is "on".? The problem is
likely with the wiper?switch itself, not the ignition switch.? Sounds like your
ignition switch performs perfectly normally and your wiper switch is locked
(broken) "on". IS THAT DRAWING THE POWER AWAY SO THE STARTING IS WEAK?
?
By coincidence actually, we were just talking about how to remove the turn
signal/wiper assembly.??Except in your case?you have airbags.? Unfortunately,
the easiest way to remove the wiper?stalk assembly in?YOUR car is to remove
the engine and cut the steering shaft off at the steering box?....? I'M JUST
KIDDING!!!? but DO ask someone about dealing with the airbag equipped steering
wheel... I have had no experience.? And DON'T try?anything?about removing
that steering wheel?without fully understanding the procedure! I HAVE REPLACED
MY W126 STEERING WHEEL WITH A WOODEN ONE. JUST DISENGAGE THE AIRBAG CONNECTOR
UNDER THE PASSENGER FOOTWELL CARPET/RUBBER MAT, UNSCREW THE 2 HEX BOLTS
BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL AND CAREFULLY LIFT AWAY THE AIR BAG COVER. THEN THE
NORMAL STEERING WHEEL BOLT APPEARS.? I DISCONNECTED THE BATTERY FOR ADDITIONAL
SAFETY.
THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.
?
SHIN
?
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