[W126 Coupe] timing chain noise

[Helmut Kern]

Thanks very much fellows,
I think I have to check the timing chain before it becomes a very expensive 
repair.
Thanks again
Helmut
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> Hi guys,

> I have a question and I hope someone has the answer.

> When my '86 560SEC is in the garage for about 2 weeks and I start it, the

> engine sounds as if there is a bad bearing inside.I have checked the

> alternator,the AC compressor and the water pump and they all sound ok.

> Could that be the timing chain?

> I am also looking for a passenger side seat plastic cover

> Thanks, Helmut

> Welland,Ontario

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>>   4. Re: Small miss in my 89 560 SEC (Gerry Van Zandt)

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>>   6. Re: Congratulations to Barry Corno (David Fatovic)

>>   7. Re: Congratulations to Barry Corno (Paul Samarin)

>>   8. Transmission (David Fatovic)

>>   9. Re: Transmission (Jonathan Hodgman)

>>  10. Vacumm Diagrams for a 500sec Euro (jawhite)

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:55:59 -0800

>> From: "Ronny" <ronny.geenen at verizon.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] turn signal indicators / instrument cluster

>> not working

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>> Check the fuse box.

>>

>> Ronny

>> 1987 560 SEC

>> 1984 300 SD

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>>  Subject: [W126 Coupe] turn signal indicators / instrument cluster not

>> working

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>>

>>

>>

>>   Hi Guys,

>>     For some strange reason, the turn signal indicators on the instrument

>> cluster of my 500 SEC stopped working. I also realise that my fuel gauge,

>> oil gauge, tachometer etc are not working either. Does anyone have any

>> suggestions as to where to look?I dont think its the fuse, cos when I

>> switched the copper fuse that controls them, the fuse works fine in areas

>> of the fuse box. Any ideas !.........the clock works, and the hazards 

>> work

>> also.

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>> From: "Tello, James" <jtello at gnbvt.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] turn signal indicators / instrument cluster

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>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] turn signal indicators / instrument cluster not

>> working

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>>

>> Hi GuysHi the guy that has a problem withturn signals and instruments

>> problems should check fuses F-12 and F-13 be sure to check both sides for

>> good clean contacts try twisting the fuse body prior to removing it

>>    For some strange reason, the turn signal indicators on the instrument

>> cluster of my 500 SEC stopped working. I also realise that my fuel gauge,

>> oil gauge, tachometer etc are not working either. Does anyone have any

>> suggestions as to where to look?I dont think its the fuse, cos when I

>> switched the copper fuse that controls them, the fuse works fine in areas

>> of the fuse box. Any ideas !.........the clock works, and the hazards 

>> work

>> also.

>>

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>> Message: 3

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:03:54 -0800

>> From: Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at mac.com>

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Congratulations to Barry Corno

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

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>> ...for his latest achievement in his 1983 380SEC AMG.

>>

>> You can see it at:

>>

>> http://homepage.mac.com/gerryvz/barry.jpg

>>

>> The car looks, inside and out, like it just drove off the showroom

>> floor of Don Rasmussen Mercedes-Benz here in Portland, OR.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Gerry

>>

>> 1989 560SEC - 165K

>> 1987 560SL - 44K

>> 1994 E500 - 93K

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 4

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:07:10 -0800

>> From: Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at mac.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Small miss in my 89 560 SEC

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

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>> My advice:

>>

>> Put the car on an engine oscilloscope. That will tell you very

>> quickly what is happening in each cylinder electrically, and if you

>> have a spark problem.

>>

>> Otherwise it's fuel, and there are other procedures for diagnosing

>> that, well documented in the archives here.

>>

>> On a scope, it will take less than 5 minutes to determine if

>> something is really wrong.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Gerry

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> What is the best way to find a slight miss in my 89 560SEC ?

>>> I want to thank Mike R for the help on replacing the rear

>>> accumulators.

>>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 5

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:45:44 -0800

>> From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Congratulations to Barry Corno

>> To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>> We knew it was coming but that's amazing!! Great job taking care of a

>> classic!! That's probably the only 380SEC to get that many miles and it 

>> is

>> for sure the best looking one too!

>>

>> Later,

>> Mike R.

>> (702) 494-8056

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>> On Behalf Of Gerry Van Zandt

>> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:04 AM

>> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Congratulations to Barry Corno

>>

>> ...for his latest achievement in his 1983 380SEC AMG.

>>

>> You can see it at:

>>

>> http://homepage.mac.com/gerryvz/barry.jpg

>>

>> The car looks, inside and out, like it just drove off the showroom

>> floor of Don Rasmussen Mercedes-Benz here in Portland, OR.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Gerry

>>

>> 1989 560SEC - 165K

>> 1987 560SL - 44K

>> 1994 E500 - 93K

>>

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>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:52:53 -0800 (PST)

>> From: David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Congratulations to Barry Corno

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>> What kind of big deal is that!?  I bet he did the

>> whole thing sitting down!

>> HA!

>>

>>David

>>

>> --- Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at mac.com> wrote:

>>

>>> ...for his latest achievement in his 1983 380SEC

>>> AMG.

>>>

>>> You can see it at:

>>>

>>> http://homepage.mac.com/gerryvz/barry.jpg

>>>

>>> The car looks, inside and out, like it just drove

>>> off the showroom

>>> floor of Don Rasmussen Mercedes-Benz here in

>>> Portland, OR.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Gerry

>>>

>>> 1989 560SEC - 165K

>>> 1987 560SL - 44K

>>> 1994 E500 - 93K

>>>

>>>

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>> Message: 7

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:02:02 -0800

>> From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Congratulations to Barry Corno

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>> ...and, loving it!

>>

>> Paul

>>

>> On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:52 PM, David Fatovic wrote:

>>

>>> What kind of big deal is that!?  I bet he did the

>>> whole thing sitting down!

>>> HA!

>>>

>>> David

>>>

>>> --- Gerry Van Zandt <gerryvz at mac.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> ...for his latest achievement in his 1983 380SEC

>>>> AMG.

>>>>

>>>> You can see it at:

>>>>

>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/gerryvz/barry.jpg

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 8

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:10:23 -0800 (PST)

>> From: David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com>

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Transmission

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>> In the user manual cd, is there any detailed

>> information on the transmission?  R&R and rebuild?

>> What about any technical data as far as thresholds and

>> what the data is on the bolts and how much to tighten

>> etc.  If not, where can I get that information?

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> David

>>

>>

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>> Message: 9

>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:47:52 -0500

>> From: "Jonathan Hodgman" <jhodgman at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Transmission

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>> Nope...not a lick..Even the WIS is horribly lacking in info.

>>

>> Best bet is the ATSG manual on the 722.3.  It's the best of what's around

>> unfortunately.

>>

>> Jonathan

>>

>>

>> On 11/16/06, David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> In the user manual cd, is there any detailed

>>> information on the transmission?  R&R and rebuild?

>>> What about any technical data as far as thresholds and

>>> what the data is on the bolts and how much to tighten

>>> etc.  If not, where can I get that information?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> David

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>> 1991 560 SEC Full Euro ECE

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>> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:04:45 -0800

>> From: "jawhite" <jawhite at yes-llc.com>

>> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Vacumm Diagrams for a 500sec Euro

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>> Has anyone got vacuum diagrams for a Euro 500Sec 1984 ?

>>

>>

>>

>> Jonathan White

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> Message: 2

> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:20:12 -0600

> From: "DW" <dwgriff at sbcglobal.net>

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> Yes, it's your timing chain, but before you replace it, check the chain

> tensioner on the right side of the engine.  When they get old they leak 

> down

> too far (they work on oil pressure) which can cause a loose chain on

> start-up.  It's a good idea to change the tensioner when changing the 

> chain

> anyway, so just start by replacing the tensioner and see if that doesn't

> cure the problem.

>

> Tom

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

> On Behalf Of Helmut Kern

> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:57 PM

> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

>

> Hi guys,

> I have a question and I hope someone has the answer.

> When my '86 560SEC is in the garage for about 2 weeks and I start it, the

> engine sounds as if there is a bad bearing inside.I have checked the

> alternator,the AC compressor and the water pump and they all sound ok.

> Could that be the timing chain?

> I am also looking for a passenger side seat plastic cover

> Thanks, Helmut

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

>

> Message: 3

> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:49:54 -0600

> From: Doug Gavin <dlg64 at houston.rr.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 noise in

> Helmuts engine

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <455E82E2.40803 at houston.rr.com>

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> DW wrote:

>

>>Yes, it's your timing chain, but before you replace it, check the chain

>>tensioner on the right side of the engine.  When they get old they leak 

>>down

>>too far (they work on oil pressure) which can cause a loose chain on

>>start-up.  It's a good idea to change the tensioner when changing the 

>>chain

>>anyway, so just start by replacing the tensioner and see if that doesn't

>>cure the problem.

>>

>>Tom

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]

>>On Behalf Of Helmut Kern

>>Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:57 PM

>>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com

>>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

>>

>>Hi guys,

>>I have a question and I hope someone has the answer.

>>When my '86 560SEC is in the garage for about 2 weeks and I start it, the

>>engine sounds as if there is a bad bearing inside.I have checked the

>>alternator,the AC compressor and the water pump and they all sound ok.

>>Could that be the timing chain?

>>I am also looking for a passenger side seat plastic cover

>>Thanks, Helmut

>>

>>

>>The MB Coupes Website!

>>W126 SEC Mailing List

>>Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.

>>

>>

>>

> Just a thought for Helmut. It would be my suggestion that while Helmut

> is considering the tensioner he should seriously think about timing

> chain guide rails. I have seen two cars in the last two weeks, a  560

> SEL with a broken guide rail that was about to lead to disaster at 110 K

> miles and a S 420 with just 100K miles break a chain after several

> months of ignoring a clicking/ grinding sound, the guide rail had broken

> and the chain was loose enough to be striking the cover. The chain

> finally broke at 60 MPH after the broken guide rail got caught between

> the sprocket and the chain. The 560 $1700 and the 420 probably

> $5500-$7500 if it is not too far gone. It will probably be on e bay as a

> parts car.  I just had my 91 560 SEC rails, tensioner and chain replaced

> at 75K just to avoid disaster.  It's pay them now or pay them later or

> do it yourself if you can I guess. Good luck

>

>

> ------------------------------

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> Message: 4

> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:55:40 -0800 (PST)

> From: Hovsep Dovlatian <hovsepdov at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Vacumm Diagrams for a 500sec Euro

> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

> Message-ID: <20061118035540.95564.qmail at web37710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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> i need it 2 but it looks like noone has it :-(

>

> jawhite <jawhite at yes-llc.com> wrote:              Has anyone got vacuum 

> diagrams for a Euro 500Sec 1984 ?

>

>  Jonathan White

>

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> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:20:14 -0800

> From: "Barry Corno" <bc at unitedsalad.com>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 noise in

> Helmuts engine

> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>

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>

>

> I totally agree, if you are going to drive these cars, it is a must

> To change chain and rails at 100K. I am on chain # 6

>

> B.C. "83" 380 SECAMG

>

> Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 noise in

> Helmut's engine

>

> DW wrote:

>

>>Yes, it's your timing chain, but before you replace it, check the chain

>>tensioner on the right side of the engine.  When they get old they leak

> down

>>too far (they work on oil pressure) which can cause a loose chain on

>>start-up.  It's a good idea to change the tensioner when changing the

> chain

>>anyway, so just start by replacing the tensioner and see if that

> doesn't

>>cure the problem.

>>

>>Tom

>>

>>

>>Hi guys,

>>I have a question and I hope someone has the answer.

>>When my '86 560SEC is in the garage for about 2 weeks and I start it,

> the

>>engine sounds as if there is a bad bearing inside.I have checked the

>>alternator,the AC compressor and the water pump and they all sound ok.

>>Could that be the timing chain?

>>I am also looking for a passenger side seat plastic cover

>>Thanks, Helmut

>>

>>

>>

>>

> Just a thought for Helmut. It would be my suggestion that while Helmut

> is considering the tensioner he should seriously think about timing

> chain guide rails. I have seen two cars in the last two weeks, a  560

> SEL with a broken guide rail that was about to lead to disaster at 110 K

>

> miles and a S 420 with just 100K miles break a chain after several

> months of ignoring a clicking/ grinding sound, the guide rail had broken

>

> and the chain was loose enough to be striking the cover. The chain

> finally broke at 60 MPH after the broken guide rail got caught between

> the sprocket and the chain. The 560 $1700 and the 420 probably

> $5500-$7500 if it is not too far gone. It will probably be on e bay as a

>

> parts car.  I just had my 91 560 SEC rails, tensioner and chain replaced

>

> at 75K just to avoid disaster.  It's pay them now or pay them later or

> do it yourself if you can I guess. Good luck

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