[W126 Coupe] RE: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 15, Issue 12
Havenga Greg (SA)
GHavenga at OLDMUTUAL.com
Mon Jan 30 02:37:50 EST 2006
Hu All
I live in Cape Town, South Afraca and bought an '89 MB 560 Sec about 6
months ago. I have a slight problem though in that the car is idling very
rough; it shakes when in drive, but less so when in neutral. I've had the
engine mountings replaced.
Any ideas as to what else the problem could be?
regards
Greg Havenga
Old Mutual Group Technology
Tel: +27-21-5097094
Fax: +27-21-5048568
Cell: +27-82-8020558
Email: ghavenga at oldmutual.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Test (Vance Rowley)
2. Re: Re: BRAKE DRAG (J Hirsch)
3. Re: Re: BRAKE DRAG (J Hirsch)
4. Re: Re: BRAKE DRAG (Dick Spellman)
5. Re: Re: BRAKE DRAG (J Hirsch)
6. Testing (John Rose)
7. RE: Re: BRAKE DRAG (Shayegan, Richard)
8. 1970 SEL (mary t)
9. Re: no mail (Vance Rowley)
10. Posting to list (BILL LEDFORD)
11. Re: SL65 AMG in the house! (Jim Nowak)
12. Serious computer virus threat!! Please Forward!! -RPH, Faster
Computers, Lake Charles, La. (Richard Hogarth)
13. RE: SL65 AMG in the house! (Richard Giampietro)
14. Not Normal Battery Drain (Vance Rowley)
15. RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG (Eddie)
16. Not Normal Battery Drain (Vance Rowley)
17. Re: Not Normal Battery Drain (Dan Landiss)
18. Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
(dolans1 at verizon.net)
19. Starfest 06, Las Vegas, Any SEC cars planning on going?
(Rockymiranti at aol.com)
20. Re: Not Normal Battery Drain (Vance Rowley)
21. help on transmission/speedometer (Eddie)
22. Re: SnowPlow thoughts (skorupa at aol.com)
23. RE: 560 into 500 swap - some issues (Ian Gatenby)
24. Re: Not Normal Battery Drain (Vance Rowley)
25. hey mike Dolan (Richard Giampietro)
26. what hath God wrought...oh my GOD (PONDERSOA at aol.com)
27. Re: Starfest 06, Las Vegas, Any SEC cars planning on
going?
(jralex at ix.netcom.com)
28. Re: Posting to list (BILL LEDFORD)
29. Re: Posting to list (Dan Landiss)
30. [Fwd: Re: [W126 Coupe] Posting to list] (Dan Landiss)
31. RE: what hath God wrought...oh my GOD (Mister McGoo)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:28:48 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Test
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Test 27/01/06. Please ignore.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:27:28 -0500
From: J Hirsch <J.HIrsch at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: Dan Gardner <cruftsk9 at tpg.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Without knowing how many miles,etc. on car symtpton sounds like a
"collapsed brake line," brakes locking up
Nothing to do with ABS or anything else, just a "car" problem...any car.
Jay H
On Jan 27, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Dan Gardner wrote:
> Ever since I have owned my SEC it has had a "thump" on the brake pedal
> the first time they are used ,like leaving the garage and going down
> the drive,it does not happen at any other time.
> Also there is a high amount of drag as the car will not roll on a
> slight incline,whereas my 450SL will freely roll away down the same
> stretch of road.
>
> After a trip of 30 mins all four wheels are warm to touch about the
> same amount,is this a symptom of the ABS.
>
> Any thoughts most welcome Kind Regards Dan Gardner
> 560SEC EURO 1986 (220kw)
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:29:01 -0500
From: J Hirsch <J.HIrsch at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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1958 Caddy's have same sympton,from the day they were new till the
present
Jay H
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Shayegan, Richard wrote:
> My 380SE does this too, and as far as I can tell from asking my dad
> it's
> done it as long as he can remember (original owner) and as far as the
> mechanic can tell there's nothing wrong with my system. Something I've
> noticed though is it doesn't matter if the cars been parked so long to
> cool down, it has to be the beginning of the day. I can't help but
> wonder if it's because it's parked on an incline when it's at my house
> (i.e. only overnight). Is yours also parked on an incline?
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Dan Gardner
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:50 AM
> To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
>
> Ever since I have owned my SEC it has had a "thump" on the brake pedal
> the first time they are used ,like leaving the garage and going down
> the
> drive,it does not happen at any other time.
> Also there is a high amount of drag as the car will not roll on a
> slight
> incline,whereas my 450SL will freely roll away down the same stretch of
> road.
>
> After a trip of 30 mins all four wheels are warm to touch about the
> same
> amount,is this a symptom of the ABS.
>
> Any thoughts most welcome Kind Regards Dan Gardner
> 560SEC
> EURO 1986 (220kw)
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date:
> 01/25/2006
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:05:34 -0500
From: Dick Spellman <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: Dan Gardner <cruftsk9 at tpg.com.au>, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <43DA36BE.9010401 at verizon.net>
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Hi Dan:
Not sure if you are describing the minor movement of the pads in their
caliper holders when you put the car in reverse for a period of time
like backing out the driveway but, this would be considered normal.
I've had that same brief thunk from the brakes on many of the 126 B's.
As for the brake drag there is a test you could easily perform. Start
with just the passenger front wheel and when the car is cold give it a
spin by hand to get a feel for how much drag you have on this one
wheel. It should spin freely and stop after several revolutions. Now
take the car for a spin for 30 minutes or so of normal driving and
repeat the above test. Is the wheel harder to turn? Does it spin the
same number of rev's before coming to a stop? If the wheel is in fact
harder to turn after being heated up, I would suspect that the brake
lines are in fact swelling inside creating added pressure on the caliper
pistons. Each caliper should also be checked for wearing the inner and
outer pads/rotors evenly. If this is not the case then you may need a
rebuilt caliper or two. Do you replenish the brake fluid every year or
so to get the sludge and moisture out of the system? Last question,
have the front wheel bearings ever been checked for run out when
servicing the brake rotors? Have these wheel bearings been replaced
recently by a shop? This would be another point where if not properly
adjusted you could see an increase in drag.
By the way, I have on different 126's replaced a frozen caliper, wheel
bearings , the caliper rubber brake lines and so on where I have
experienced all of these failures and done the diagnosis to repair only
what was needed. I think you can do the detective work and quickly
isolate the problem you describe.
Last comment you are one lucky guy to have a euro 560. Are you in the U.S?
Dick
Dan Gardner wrote:
> Ever since I have owned my SEC it has had a "thump" on the brake pedal
> the first time they are used ,like leaving the garage and going down
> the drive,it does not happen at any other time.
> Also there is a high amount of drag as the car will not roll on a
> slight incline,whereas my 450SL will freely roll away down the same
> stretch of road.
>
> After a trip of 30 mins all four wheels are warm to touch about the
> same amount,is this a symptom of the ABS.
>
> Any thoughts most welcome Kind Regards Dan Gardner
> 560SEC EURO 1986 (220kw)
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:39:51 -0500
From: J Hirsch <J.HIrsch at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <6a37331450c2567b5cfa4368e12ca357 at mac.com>
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e driveway but, this would be considered normal.
> I've had that same brief thunk from the brakes on many of the 126 B's.
> As for the brake drag there is a test you could easily perform.
> Start with just the passenger front wheel and when the car is cold
> give it a spin by hand to get a feel for how much drag you have on
> this one wheel. It should spin freely and stop after several
> revolutions. Now take the car for a spin for 30 minutes or so of
> normal driving and repeat the above test. Is the wheel harder to
> turn? Does it spin the same number of rev's before coming to a stop?
> If the wheel is in fact harder to turn after being heated up, I would
> suspect that the brake lines are in fact swelling inside creating
> added pressure on the caliper pistons. Each caliper should also be
> checked for wearing the inner and outer pads/rotors evenly. If this
> is not the case then you may need a rbuilt caliper or two. Do you
> replenish the brake fluid every year or so to get the sludge and
> moisture out of the system? Last question, have the front wheel
> bearings ever been checked for run out when servicing the brake
> rotors? Have these wheel bearings been replaced recently by a shop?
> This would be another point where if not properly adjusted you could
> see an increase in drag.
>
> By the way, I have on different 126's replaced a frozen caliper, wheel
> bearings , the caliper rubber brake lines and so on where I have
> experienced all of these failures and done the diagnosis to repair
> only what was needed. I think you can do the detective work and
> quickly isolate the problem you describe.
>
> Last comment you are one lucky guy to have a euro 560. Are you in the
> U.S?
>
> Dick
>
> Dan Gardner wrote:
>
>> Ever since I have owned my SEC it has had a "thump" on the brake
>> pedal the first time they are used ,like leaving the garage and going
>> down the drive,it does not happen at any other time.
>> Also there is a high amount of drag as the car will not roll on a
>> slight incline,whereas my 450SL will freely roll away down the same
>> stretch of road.
>>
>> After a trip of 30 mins all four wheels are warm to touch about the
>> same amount,is this a symptom of the ABS.
>>
>> Any thoughts most welcome Kind Regards Dan Gardner
>> 560SEC EURO 1986 (220kw)
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:47:21 +0000
From: "John Rose" <wash_me at hotmail.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Testing
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:05:19 -0500
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of J Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:40 AM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
>Question: what is the difference between Euro 560 and US 560 besides
the plusher interior on US cars?
>Jay Hirsch 1990 560 SEC
>nothing "personal' but the US shipped cars in particular the last two
years 1990/91 had great leather interiors
About 60hp if it's a non-cat euro (300 euro vs 238 US).
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:05:53 -0800 (PST)
From: mary t <mrsmary_ellen at yahoo.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] 1970 SEL
To: jralex at ix.netcom.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <20060127160553.42934.qmail at web54703.mail.yahoo.com>
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I know this is a SEC list but someone might be interested in this car.
Located in Oklahoma a 1970 MINT SEL. Professional redone interior and
exterior. Owned by my parents since 1980's they are the second owner. Very
loved immaculate car. Original insides, radio and such. Silver/green. Email
for info at mrsmary_ellen at yahoo.com Perfect car
Mary-Ellen http://www.angelfire.com/mo/maryellenspage
http://www.picturetrail.com/taylorfamily05
http://www.promom.org/101/index.html
http://www.bushorchimp.com
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:09:20 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] no mail
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Yes, just go to the following link and un-subscribe:
http://pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/mbcoupes you can then just go to the
archives whenever you like to see what is going on. Although once
un-subscribed, you will no longer be able to post any email to the site.
Vance
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From: mary t
To: MBCOUPES at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:15 AM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] no mail
Is there a way to change my setting to no mail and just read through the
archives?
Mary-Ellen
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/maryellenspage
http://www.picturetrail.com/taylorfamily05
http://www.promom.org/101/index.html
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:15:27 -0800
From: "BILL LEDFORD" <brledford at msn.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Posting to list
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:24:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Nowak <jjnowak_32503 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
To: satish at tummala.net, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
<mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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WOW, congrats! That's the baddest vehicle on the
market after a little tuning from Kleeman or Renntech.
You know the saying. Once you go with forced
induction......you never go back!
Jim
--- Satish Tummala <satish at tummala.net> wrote:
> Well guys, I've finally had the urge for forced
> induction, bit the bullet,
> and bought an SL65 AMG Roadster today. It should
> arrive next Thursday
> from MBUSA, every option, silver on charcoal nappa
> with alcantara suede
> headliner.
>
> Anyone ready for a ride in a Kleemanized version of
> the SL65, stop by
> Motorwerks in February. The K2 upgrade with
> transmission EGS control
> brings nearly 700hp and 920 ft/lbs of torque, with
> drag radials pulls a
> 10.45 sec 1/4 mile at 131mph and a 3.06 0-60 time.
> Really, it's the
> cheapest production vehicle for that kind of
> performance, safety, and
> reliability.
>
> Satish
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:24:29 -0600
From: "Richard Hogarth" <R_Hogarth at Foundrycove.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Serious computer virus threat!! Please Forward!!
-RPH, Faster Computers, Lake Charles, La.
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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"It's a rather destructive payload. You're looking at probably several
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loss at that," said Alex Eckelberry, president of anti-virus vendor Sunbelt
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<mailto:Axlehead at Bellsouth.net>
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worm also tries to spread using remote shares. Once a machine gets infected,
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delivering a payload that destroys certain file types.
Once the worm's UPDATE.EXE file is run, it destroys all Microsoft Word,
Microsoft Excel, PowerPoint, PDF, ZIP and PSD files on all available drives.
"It's a rather destructive payload. You're looking at probably several
hundred thousand users that would have data loss-and pretty serious data
loss at that," said Alex Eckelberry, president of anti-virus vendor Sunbelt
Software.
In an interview with eWEEK, Eckelberry said the post-infection clean-up is
made difficult because of the way the worm disables all anti-virus programs.
"When it destroys the data, there's no going to the recycle bin to get it
back. It destructively destroys the data," Eckelberry stressed.
The LURHQ Threat Intelligence Group has
<http://www.lurhq.com/blackworm.html> released Snort signatures to help
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"At this time we have seen almost no infections across our customer base
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"It is important to note that although the worm enters a network as an
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:01:33 -0500
From: "Richard Giampietro" <prieye at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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After you loose your license I'd be happy to chauffer you around. Good luck
with it and be safe. RG
>From: "Satish Tummala" <satish at tummala.net>
>Reply-To: satish at tummala.net,Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
><mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:10:48 -0500 (EST)
>
>Well guys, I've finally had the urge for forced induction, bit the bullet,
>and bought an SL65 AMG Roadster today. It should arrive next Thursday
>from MBUSA, every option, silver on charcoal nappa with alcantara suede
>headliner.
>
>Anyone ready for a ride in a Kleemanized version of the SL65, stop by
>Motorwerks in February. The K2 upgrade with transmission EGS control
>brings nearly 700hp and 920 ft/lbs of torque, with drag radials pulls a
>10.45 sec 1/4 mile at 131mph and a 3.06 0-60 time. Really, it's the
>cheapest production vehicle for that kind of performance, safety, and
>reliability.
>
>Satish
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:56:19 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <011001c6236a$fb4f1f90$08246858 at home>
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OK, this is one to chew on. We have all heard of battery drains and the
usual reasons for them. There's tons of info in the archives on the subject.
Basically my 91 Euro560 has been fine when used on a daily bases, but has a
horrible tendency to drain the battery if left standing for a week and
sometimes just a few days. All the usual checks have been done and all
appear fine including the battery and alternator, as well as the usual trunk
light story and so on.
However, one time when I thought I would have another try during a current
draw test (meter between the battery and the terminal) with the test it was
noticed that most of the time the current was well within the specifications
that are listed and expected with the car in standby you might say (a matter
of around 60 to 85ma). But every so often (not the same time period each
time) the current flies up to around 6 Amps for about between 30 and 60
seconds, then goes back down to the normal expected current draw for
seemingly no reason. This happens on a regular basis, but never exactly the
same time in between. Sometimes it will take only about 3 minutes for the
current to peak and other times it might take as long as 10 minutes.
This must have been going on now probably for around 5 years. This problem
has never been solved and with the time period not being the same in between
the peaks is a nightmare to find. If the 6 amp draw was there all the time,
it would be a piece of cake by just removing the fuses until it disappears.
Can you imagine how long it will take under these circumstances?
So my question is, has anyone else ever come up with these symptoms and
found what it is that is drawing this 6 amps intermittently?
Regards,
Vance.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:10:20 -0800
From: "Eddie" <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Much more HP (higher compression, better exhaust), much better looking
(original design with the shorter bumpers, and smooth headlights).
Eddie
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of J Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:40 AM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [W126 Coupe] Re: BRAKE DRAG
Question: what is the difference between Euro 560 and US 560 besides
the plusher interior on US cars?
Jay Hirsch 1990 560 SEC
nothing "personal' but the US shipped cars in particular the last two
years 1990/91 had great leather interiors
On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Dick Spellman wrote:
> Hi Dan:
>
> Not sure if you are describing the minor movement of the pads in their
> caliper holders when you put the car in reverse for a period of time
> like backing out the driveway but, this would be considered normal.
> I've had that same brief thunk from the brakes on many of the 126 B's.
> As for the brake drag there is a test you could easily perform.
> Start with just the passenger front wheel and when the car is cold
> give it a spin by hand to get a feel for how much drag you have on
> this one wheel. It should spin freely and stop after several
> revolutions. Now take the car for a spin for 30 minutes or so of
> normal driving and repeat the above test. Is the wheel harder to
> turn? Does it spin the same number of rev's before coming to a stop?
> If the wheel is in fact harder to turn after being heated up, I would
> suspect that the brake lines are in fact swelling inside creating
> added pressure on the caliper pistons. Each caliper should also be
> checked for wearing the inner and outer pads/rotors evenly. If this
> is not the case then you may need a rebuilt caliper or two. Do you
> replenish the brake fluid every year or so to get the sludge and
> moisture out of the system? Last question, have the front wheel
> bearings ever been checked for run out when servicing the brake
> rotors? Have these wheel bearings been replaced recently by a shop?
> This would be another point where if not properly adjusted you could
> see an increase in drag.
>
> By the way, I have on different 126's replaced a frozen caliper, wheel
> bearings , the caliper rubber brake lines and so on where I have
> experienced all of these failures and done the diagnosis to repair
> only what was needed. I think you can do the detective work and
> quickly isolate the problem you describe.
>
> Last comment you are one lucky guy to have a euro 560. Are you in the
> U.S?
>
> Dick
>
> Dan Gardner wrote:
>
>> Ever since I have owned my SEC it has had a "thump" on the brake
>> pedal the first time they are used ,like leaving the garage and going
>> down the drive,it does not happen at any other time.
>> Also there is a high amount of drag as the car will not roll on a
>> slight incline,whereas my 450SL will freely roll away down the same
>> stretch of road.
>>
>> After a trip of 30 mins all four wheels are warm to touch about the
>> same amount,is this a symptom of the ABS.
>>
>> Any thoughts most welcome Kind Regards Dan Gardner
>> 560SEC EURO 1986 (220kw)
>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:11:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Message-ID: <3220426.1138385474677.JavaMail.root at vms073.mailsrvcs.net>
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The time of 30-60 seconds sounds like the same time a bad vac pump in the
trunk will cycle, but you would hear it...Good luck.
OK, this is one to chew on. We have all heard of battery drains and the
usual reasons for them. There's tons of info in the archives on the subject.
Basically my 91 Euro560 has been fine when used on a daily bases, but has a
horrible tendency to drain the battery if left standing for a week and
sometimes just a few days. All the usual checks have been done and all
appear fine including the battery and alternator, as well as the usual trunk
light story and so on.
However, one time when I thought I would have another try during a current
draw test (meter between the battery and the terminal) with the test it was
noticed that most of the time the current was well within the specifications
that are listed and expected with the car in standby you might say (a matter
of around 60 to 85ma). But every so often (not the same time period each
time) the current flies up to around 6 Amps for about between 30 and 60
seconds, then goes back down to the normal expected current draw for
seemingly no reason. This happens on a regular basis, but never exactly the
same time in between. Sometimes it will take only about 3 minutes for the
current to peak and other times it might take as long as 10 minutes.
This must have been going on now probably for around 5 years. This problem
has never been solved and with the time period not being the same in between
the peaks is a nightmare to find. If the 6 amp draw was there all the time,
it would be a piece of cake by just removing the fuses until it disappears.
Can you imagine how long it will take under these circumstances?
So my question is, has anyone else ever come up with these symptoms and
found what it is that is drawing this 6 amps intermittently?
Regards,
Vance.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:16:45 -0600
From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>, Mercedes Coupes Mailing
Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <43DA638D.3090403 at landiss.com>
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Vance Rowley wrote:
> But every so often (not the same time period each time) the current flies
up to around 6 Amps for about between 30 and 60 seconds, then goes back down
to the normal expected current draw for seemingly no reason. This happens on
a regular basis, but never exactly the same time in between. Sometimes it
will take only about 3 minutes for the current to peak and other times it
might take as long as 10 minutes.
>
Might that be a vacuum pump?
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:20:15 -0600 (CST)
From: <dolans1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID:
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My same thoughts, they will cycle for 30-40 secs, but you will hear it
hum...
>From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
>Date: Fri Jan 27 12:16:45 CST 2006
>To: Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>,
Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
>Vance Rowley wrote:
>> But every so often (not the same time period each time) the current flies
up to around 6 Amps for about between 30 and 60 seconds, then goes back down
to the normal expected current draw for seemingly no reason. This happens on
a regular basis, but never exactly the same time in between. Sometimes it
will take only about 3 minutes for the current to peak and other times it
might take as long as 10 minutes.
>>
>Might that be a vacuum pump?
>
>--
>
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:27:50 EST
From: Rockymiranti at aol.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Starfest 06, Las Vegas, Any SEC cars planning
on going?
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Mail me if you are going. Rocky
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:10:37 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley" <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Thanks for the tip. Makes sense. The only thing that confuses me is
according to the email received, it looks like I answered my own question.
Who is it that answered my question?
> The time of 30-60 seconds sounds like the same time a bad vac pump in the
trunk will cycle, but you would hear it...Good luck.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:40:01 -0800
From: "Eddie" <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] help on transmission/speedometer
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hey guys,
I need to know what kind of pulse does the Mercedes speedometer use? Reason
being, I need a new pulse generator for my overdrive unit. Is it a 40
pulse? 6 pulse? Something else?
Thanks,
Eddie
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:59:04 -0500
From: skorupa at aol.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: SnowPlow thoughts
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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You're required to file an accident report. I think it's okay to have him
pay directly, but don't foget that estimates are just that and often
supplemental payments are required, above and beyond the estimate. If you
have waiver of deductable in your policy you can go through your company and
you won't have to pay the deductable because it's his fault. If you don't,
you will have to pay but will be reimbursed when your company gets paid f
rom his (subrogation). Or, you can simply make a claim against his
insurance carrier and you they will pay in full. If you need medical
assistance, the first 8k is automatically paid by your carrier and you will
need to file the claim with them, (you cna't claim for personal injuries
against his carrier until you expended 2k in medicals or have some sort of
serious injuries, i.e. permanent, scaring, broken bones etc.
Robert John Skorupa
Attorney at Law
36 Charles St.
Boston, MA 02114
617-367-0566
1987 560sec
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:41:46 +1100
From: "Ian Gatenby" <igatenby at optushome.com.au>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] RE: 560 into 500 swap - some issues
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I'm fitting the low mileage (37,000) engine and gearbox from my '87 560SEC
parts car into my '83 500SEC. After pulling the wiring harness out of the
560 car, I decided to go the route of swapping over the 500 fuel setup onto
the 560. Too much work to do with the wiring and too little time at the
moment (I've just taken on a role in publishing) to go the complete 560
engine management system route. I recall reading on the forum years ago
that this was the way to go (but can't find it in the archives).
One problem I've encountered is the differences in gearbox wiring. The 560
box has one less wire on the main connector (the round plug near the shift
lever on the box). It only has four connector pins whereas the 500 box has
five. There is also an additional connector pin that takes two wires on the
560 box about six inches forward of the shift lever (near the fluid line).
I was assuming that this related to the sports / economy selector? The only
other difference seems to be an additional vacuum line that attaches near
the kickdown cable.
I don't want to use the 500 box - as it has always been a bit dodgy.
Can anyone help please - do I just omit the extra pin on the main socket and
cross my fingers - or do I have a fundamental problem here?
Thanks
Ian
Sydney - Australia
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:20:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Vance Rowley <vance.rowley at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Not Normal Battery Drain
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hey Vance,
Mike here in Florida, sorry about that e-mail. Too much time hacking...Good
luck with the vac pump, I would bet the farm on that one...
Thanks for the tip. Makes sense. The only thing that confuses me is
according to the email received, it looks like I answered my own question.
Who is it that answered my question?
> The time of 30-60 seconds sounds like the same time a bad vac pump in the
trunk will cycle, but you would hear it...Good luck.
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:45:36 -0500
From: "Richard Giampietro" <prieye at msn.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] hey mike Dolan
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Message-ID: <BAY101-F25942DF44D1DBFC5F3F5D9D7140 at phx.gbl>
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Thanks for that white 560 SEC instrument cluster. Popped it right in and
the local VDO guys got the oil pressure guage fixed lickety split. RG
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:32:48 EST
From: PONDERSOA at aol.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] what hath God wrought...oh my GOD
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com, Mercedes at striplin.net
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my dearest members
i seem to have really screwed up this time
it would appear that i have stripped the hub/axle on my beloved car
by any chance would any members know if the sec hub & axle is the same as
the sel
as i wish to go to the local yards and appropriate the parts however they
only have sel autos
pray for me
mike collins
1985 500 sec
phila
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:23:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: jralex at ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Starfest 06, Las Vegas, Any SEC cars
planning on going?
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:13:56 -0800
From: "BILL LEDFORD" <brledford at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Posting to list
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Can you fix it so that the postings are not sent to my email address? I
just want to view them on the forum. Thanks.
Bill
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Message: 29
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:40:27 -0600
From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Posting to list
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BILL LEDFORD wrote:
> Can you fix it so that the postings are not sent to my email
> address? I just want to view them on the forum. Thanks.
Unsubscribe or edit your options at
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