[W126 Coupe] Re: W126 midwest retreat
John Conley
bigbux98us at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 7 14:32:07 EST 2006
Hi Guys,
It is me John again with another question for you all! I have an '88 SEC with a couple hundred rounds on the odometer that has been serviced exlusively at Mercedes dealers, but I wanted to change my exhaust.... mainly the muffler. I have been looking for the cool mufflers you guys are showing on your rides, but I am having trouble finding anything other than the stock looking tips that are turned down. I want something that looks kick ass like the AMG muffler tips. Any ideas where I can find that and what it would cost me? I want the tips to be chromed and oval or rectangular. I am finally going to enhance my black on beige coupe a little this year and just want to know where to look for what makes it look really special. I love all of your cars and just did not have the cash available to do anything other than keeping it nice and leak free and running as it should. I love the car and they are just so rare to find.
John Conley
Kweku Biney -Assan <cyne_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Guys ! I think we should have it in either Chicago or Indiana . I'd go for Chicago .
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1. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Vance Rowley)
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3. drain radiator (Gary)
4. Re: drain radiator (dolans1 at verizon.net)
5. Re: Back to the batte ry drain issue (Jay Hirsch)
6. Re: Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
(dolans1 at verizon.net)
7. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Vance Rowley)
8. Re: Dashboard Readout modification (drmet at pacbell.net)
9. Battery Drain (dolans1 at verizon.net)
10. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Dan Landiss)
11. RE: AMG Monoblocks needed for SEC (Daryl Armstrong)
12. RE: drain radiator (Markus Meyer)
13. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Vance Rowley)
14. RE: Idle Air Valve Repair (Mike R.)
15. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Jim Ham)
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21. Re: Back to the battery drain issue (Nathan Goodlet)
22. RE: drain radiator (Gary)
23. Re: 87 SEC hard shift (Richard Hesek)
24. Re: Re: 87 SEC hard shift now modulator and B2 piston
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28. Re: Re: 87 SEC hard shift now modulator and B2 piston
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29. back to battery drain (Vance Rowley)
30. Re: back to battery drain (Dick Spellman)
31. Re: back to battery drain (airedale at sbcglobal.net)
32. (no subject) (Vance Rowley)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:40:09 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
To: "Nathan Goodlet" , "Mercedes Coupes Mailing
Lists"
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Hi Nathan, didn't know you were still on the list. Long time no hear. Good ideas Nathan, I will look into it. At the moment, I am physically disconnecting the battery terminal after I have finished with the car for the day. So the battery isn't actually getting drained often at all at the moment. I'm not giving it the chance to.It's a real pain though re-setting up all of the audio system, EQ and everything else that requires continuous power to retain memory every time I use the car. I would much rather find the cause of this 5 year on going problem. The reason it's been going on for so long is, I used to use the car on a daily basis. Using the car every day, or even every other day, you wouldn't even know there was a problem.
I will certainly check out the local car accessory place though for one of those do-dads until I have cracked it. Didn't know they existed.
Cheers,
Vance
----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Goo dlet
To: Vance Rowley ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
First -
A 6 amp drain on 12 volts circuit should be putting out 72 watts of heat. Maybe time exposure pictures taken with infrared film will show an unexpected hot spot?
Second -
Have you thought about using a battery quick disconnect? Until you get this problem solved? Batteries that keep getting completely discharged don't last very long. This do-dad allows you to unscrew the green bolt-head by hand and the battery cable is not connected any longer. For about $5 Nathan
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:04:19 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
To: "Dick Spellman" , "Mercedes Coupes Mailing
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Hi Dick,
Yes it sounds a bit over the top under the circumstances re the PLC, but thanks for the offer anyway. But some things in your comments have given me some ideas. Mainly your comment regarding the dome light. One thing which has never worked on my car is the interior dome light has never come on when you open either of the doors. It works fine if you were to switch it on manually with the switch on the dome light itself. This has never bothered me and have never thought much of it. I have checked the obvious culprits in the past such as the door switches themselves. But your comment has really got me thinking if the dome light is operated by a relay via t he door switches, then maybe the contacts on this relay are the dome light problem, but maybe the relay or control box is what is taking the power. Just thinking out aloud. I will need to check the circuits on the manuals I have recently purchased. Does any of this make any sense?
Cheers,
Vance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Spellman"
To: "Vance Rowley" ; "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
> Hi Vance:
> A PLC (programmable logic controller) programmed to count the number and
> duration of input state changes would do the trick. You could download
> the data collected to your laptop or run with the laptop connected and
> it will announce each time it occurs. A bit pricey for just observing
> the problem without drilling down t o the circuit causing the drain.
>
> I'd pull the seat heater power or just pop up the two switches and
> remove for a bit, the switches trigger the under seat relay packs.
> Other possibilities: A dead short could easily pull 6 amps without
> blowing a low-end 8 amp fuse (white) and maybe the interval is not
> enough to smoke the insulation on the wire yet, but, I'd bet the day is
> coming! I've experienced a dead short on the rear door switches that
> run the dome lights on one MB. Lights went dim, could smell burning
> insulation on the wires and only happened when both rear doors were open
> at the same time. I've heard of the wire lead that runs along the
> trunk hinge (not sure what it runs, license plate lights?) and along the
> hood hinge (washer outlet power) that have caused fires on these cars.
> MB recommends you check them. I've heard of the factory fix in 87 for
> early M B's where the heater fuse that used to heat up in the fuse box
> would cause a melt down on the external temp sensor circuit under the
> fuse holder and cause a dead short to the hot on the external temp
> sensor and guage in the instrument cluster. This ignited the wire
> harness behind the IC. (I had this in the 86 300SE Euro and repaired
> same.) MB fix was to externally mount a foil 30 amp fuse in a
> horizontal fuse holder on the engine fire wall. One last thought, what
> about the clock, this has 2 capacitors that pull then store power for
> operation? Seems like a lot of juice for such a small consumer.
>
> If you think a PLC would be of help, send me your mail address
> off-line. You'll need a PC with serial port to get the results. I'll
> program one up and send your way as a loaner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick
>
> Vance Rowley wrote:
>
>> If I could come up with some kind of counter to read how many 6amp
>> peaks there are on average per 12 hour period (while unattended), then
>> this in combination with your suggestion would be perfect. This way I
>> could have the meter (and counter system) connected overnight with one
>> fuse at a time pulled until I come across the next morning where the
>> counter is zero with a particular fuse pulled. This way it could be
>> done overnight and completely unattended.
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:15:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary
Subject: [W126 Coupe] drain radiator
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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how? in my other cars there is usually a key at the bottom of the radiator. i don't see one on m y 88
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:26:47 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] drain radiator
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Remove the bottom radiator hose with a pan under it.
>From: Gary
>Date: Sat Feb 04 18:15:02 CST 2006
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] drain radiator
>how?? in my other cars there is usually a key at the bottom of the radiator.? i don't see one on my 88
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:31:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Jay Hirsch
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
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Just read you "battery draw." Open the truck, and
then close it slowly and see if trunk light goes
out.
Once had a car and the off switch broke in the trunk
But was enough to drain battery after a few days.
JayH
your problem is not MB related but car related
--- Vance Rowley wrote:
> Well unfortunately, although all evidence pointed to
> the vacuum pump as the cause of this intermittent
> 6amp current draw. I have had power to the pump
> disconnected for over a week now. It just so happens
> I haven't used the car for this last week, so was a
> good opportunity to see if the battery would be OK
> or not. Well, you guessed it, the battery was almost
> dead. Certainly not enough power to start the car
> anyway. Just a few small cranks of the engine.
>
> So, has anyone any ideas what else could draw around
> 6amps for between 30 and 60 secs every 5 to 10
> minutes or so?
> The 5 year mystery still unsolved as yet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vance.
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Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:35:05 -060 0 (CST)
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>From:
>Date: Sat Feb 04 18:31:58 CST 2006
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>Subject: Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
>I often wondered the same about the light in the refrigerator...
>
>
>>From: Jay Hirsch
>>Date: Sat Feb 04 18:31:58 CST 2006
>>To: Vance Rowley ,
> Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
>
>>Just read you "battery draw." Open the truck, and
>>then close it slowly and see if trunk light goes
>>out.
>>Once had a car and the off switch broke in the trunk
>>But was enough to drain battery after a few days.
>>JayH
>>your problem is not MB related but car related
>>--- Vance Rowley wrote:
>>
>>> Well unfortunately, although all evidence pointed to
>>> the vacuum pump as the cause of this intermittent
>>> 6amp current draw. I have had power to the pump
>>> disconnected for over a week now. It just so happens
>>> I haven't used the car for this last week, so was a
>>> good opportunity to see if the battery would be OK
>>> or not. Well, you guessed it, the battery was almost
>>> dead. Certainly not enough power to start the car
>>> anyway. Just a few small cranks of the engine.
>>>
>>> So, has anyone any ideas what else could dra w around
>>> 6amps for between 30 and 60 secs every 5 to 10
>>> minutes or so?
>>> The 5 year mystery still unsolved as yet.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Vance.
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>>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:37:53 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
To: "Jay Hirsch" , "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
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Thanks Jay, I always appreciate all input, but everything you have seen in the archives has been checked including the trunk light story. This is one that seems to never been heard of before. But I am determined to nail it down. As soon as I do, I will let everyone on the list know about it. This is certainly not a normal situation.
Thanks again,
Vance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Hirsch"
To: "Vance Rowley" ; "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
> Just read you "battery draw." Open the truck, and
> then close it slowly and see if trunk light goes
> out.< BR>> Once had a car and the off switch broke in the trunk
> But was enough to drain battery after a few days.
> JayH
> your problem is not MB related but car related
> --- Vance Rowley wrote:
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:41:32 -0800
From:
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: Dashboard Readout modification
To:
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Vance,
With little or no effort, you can have the gauge faces made to look any way
you wish. There are several options to do this task and I have listed a
couple that may assist you in your decision, I begin with the most costly;
1. Remove the gauge cluster and send the speedometer to VDO in
Germany with a cad generated copy of your wishes. Since it is
there you may as well have it calibrated again. (Assuming you know
the actual ratios and variants on you vehicle.)
2. Go to this web site http://www.importintelligence.com/custom.htm
and call them to specify your desires and they will tell you
what they are willing or can do for you.
3. Look on eBay for gauge faces and you "should" find 2 or 3 people
generating gauge faces from their computers and laser printers.
A quick discussion with them can solve your problem.
4. Research the software market to find the proper software to
generate your own faces. Which includes you must spend the time to
learn about the` various Laser inks, paper. adhesives
and ways to secure your end result to the gauge.
5. The simplest way is to get a felt pen and be creative! I do not
actually suggest this; I hope you have a sense of humor.
Good luck,
Doc
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Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:54:21 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: [W126 Coupe] Battery Drain
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Although there may possibly be a thousand reasons, I had a Sony cd player that would drain my battery. The face plate was the culprit. Also, My 500 euro has a neg ground issue where the turn indicator will cause the speedo needle to peg to zero. I checked out the ground plate behind the cluster for any loose wires ect. I sure want to know what you find out in the long run. Good luck.
Mike.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:13:31 -0600
From: Dan Landiss
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Back to the battery drain issue
To: Vance Rowley , Mercedes Coupes Mailing
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Vance Rowley wrote:
> Basically it is so intermittent, you would be lucky to catch this
> reading. I was lucky I caught it in the first place.
You could, overnight, replace one fuse each night with a piece of very
fine wire. One morning that fine wire will be melted. Might have to
sacrifice a fuse just to turn it into a holder for the fine wire.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:31:24 -0800
From: "Daryl Armstrong"
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] AM G Monoblocks needed for SEC
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Stein,
Oops. I re-read your post with my glasses on...
I am interested. Please give me a price and access to pictures if you have
them.
Thank you.
Regards,
Daryl Armstrong
Precision Brakes Company
1010 Benson Way
Ashland OR 97520
V. 541 488 2604
F. 541 482 2873
www.precisionbrakescompany.com
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Stein Stromsoe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:31 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] AMG Monoblocks needed for SEC
I am sitting on a set of 18" Monoblocks. (I think 8 and 9 wide , and ET is
35)
Had them on a 92 400e, but they rubbed, the sec is gone, and the e is now
old-man styled.
Not perfect, some rash and cheap.
Any one interested? In KY.
Pictures can be made,
Stein
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:00:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Markus Meyer"
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] drain radiator
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Gary, If your 88 is like my 87, there is a plug/screw on the bottom of the radiator on the passenger side. It was blue I think on my Behr radiator, and you can use a phillips head or large flat head screwdriver to open it up. There should be a plastic piece that lets it hang in there after you unscrew it so it doesn't fall away and get lost. Good luck.Markus--- On Sat 02/04, G ary < garysalas at yahoo.com > wrote:From: Gary [mailto: garysalas at yahoo.com]To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:15:02 -0800 (PST)Subject: [W126 Coupe] drain radiatorhow? in my other cars there is usually a key at the bottom of the radiator. i don't see one on my 88
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