[W126 Coupe] Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 15, Issue 17
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I am here in Kansas City and would be up for it.
John
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Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 15, Issue 17
Midwesterners ! Any W126 retreats for 2006? C'mon. we dont have to be that dull you know
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Today's Topics:
1. Fw: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY (Vance Rowley)
2. RE: Delaware Valley Spring Coupefest (Axel Wulff)
3. RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (Mike R.)
4. Leakage (Steve Ferngren)
5. Re: Re: [W 126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (dolans1 at verizon.net)
6. Re: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (dolans1 at verizon.net)
7. Re: Fw: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY (pdweiss at comcast.net)
8. RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (Mister McGoo)
9. Engine to Chassis compatibility question (Dick Spellman)
10. RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (Axel Wulff)
11. Re: SL65 AMG in the house! (Sharan Bains)
12. RE: Engine to Chassis compatibility question (Sharan Bains)
13. Stereo upgrade (Rattie S)
14. Re: Re: Fw: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY (dolans1 at verizon.net)
15. Re: Engine to Chassis compatibility question (Dick Spellman)
16. Re: Engine to Chassis compatibility question
(mattpetersen at ihug.co.nz)
17. Re: Engine to Chassis compatibility question (David Fatovic)
18. Re: SL65 AMG in the house! (David Fatovic)
19. RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak (Mike R.)
20. Timber replacement shifter piece. (Mark Addison)
21. RE: Timber replacement shifter piece. (Shayegan, Richard)
22. Re: Stereo upgrade (Vance Rowley)
23. Re: Stereo upgrade (Vance Rowley)
24. RE: Stereo upgrade (Shayegan, Richard)
25. Re: RE: [W126 Coupe] Stereo upgrade (dolans1 at verizon.net)
26. Stereo Upgrade (Rattie S)
27. Re: Stereo Upgrade (Vance Rowley)
28. RE: RE: [W126 Coupe] Stereo upgrade (Shayegan, Richard)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:09:55 -0000
From: "Vance Rowley"
Subject: Fw: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY
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Hi Peter,
With you living in Sarasota, I don't know if you would have the full advantage of using the Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40. In fact there is a whole debate in the mbcoupes archives on using fully synthetic or not on the W126. I can only go off what I h ave read up myself and my own experience using fully synthetic. The only downside I can see is that it is very expensive. However from my own experience and my way of thinking is if the viscosity is lower on start-up, then the oil pressure would build up a lot faster protecting the engine sooner. Also, I can't say for certain, but I could swear that I have a few more HP than I did before I started using fully synthetic. Thanks for the compliment though.
Cheers,
Vance.
1991 Euro 560 SEC.
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From: pdweiss at comcast.net
To: Vance Rowley ; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY
Dear Vance: I own an 89 560 sec, 113k miles, and a 91 560 sec, 34k. Both cars had service records indicating they used 10w-30 castrol. I have been using synthetic in my street machines for years. However, I have not changed the 126's over. Sounds like you know your lubricants. Wha t do you think about changing to the Shell Helix? I live in Sarasota. Thanks for your advice. Peter Weiss
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From: "Vance Rowley"
Mike,
Engine lubricants have advanced and improved in performance a great deal since the owners manuals for these cars were written up.One of the best lubricants I have come accross and used for years in my Euro 560SEC is the Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 fully synthetic lubricant. This particular one exceeds the requirements of most cars these days. Also this particular one is approved by Mercedes Benz themselves as well as Peugeot-Citroen, Rover Group, VW/Audi, BMW, Porsche and Ferrari.
Vance
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:50:12 -0500
From: "Axel Wulff"
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Delaware Valley Spring Coupefest
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Markus,
Sounds like great fun.
I will certainly do my best to make it.
Cheers,
Axel
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On Behalf Of Markus Meyer
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:19 AM
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Subject: [W126 Coupe] Delaware Valley Spring Coupefest
Hi gang,
Speaking of Coupefests and get togethers, for those of you in the
mid-Atlantic area, and others interested in joining us, Ellen (aka Legs)
will be organizing a get-together probably in the mid May timeframe. Just a
heads up to tentatively mark your calendars, more details to follow. Basic
idea will be to have a road rallye where we answer questions (and watch Dick
spill coffee on himself again and others miss questions totally because they
don't realize its a "test"), then have some sort of food/drink-fest
afterwards. Like I said, much more details to follow - just putting the idea
out there.
Cheers,
Markus
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:09 -0800
From: "Mike R."
Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
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The fan clutch took me ten minutes to R&R. Sounds like it's a difficult
thing for the water pump though. If the harmonic balancer has to come off,
then it sounds like the radiator has to come out too. No fun here.
Later,
Mike R.
(702) 494-8056
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On Behalf Of Shayegan, Richard
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
You might want to check with your mechanic what they would charge to do
it (i.e. it might be cheaper than you think). From what he told me, it's
not hard, but tedious, and involves everything the service manuals say
it does. I looked at it, considered what a PITA it would be for me to do
it, especially considering it was (and is) winter, and it was just
better to let him do it for a few hundred bucks (I don't have my
receipts with me but I think it was like $300-400 in labor). You might
want to check the fan clutch while you're there and replace that at the
same time.
Richard
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:03:03 -0500
From: "Steve Ferngren"
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Leakage
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Right side backseat floor in my 1990 560 Sec. I m thinking the backseat
window or the Moonroof is not shutting completely or the door is leaking. I
think the manual talks about drainage tubes. What's the best way to start
testing where the leak is coming from.
Thanks, Steve
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 0 Jan 2006 13:24:49 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
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Just like my 68 gto, blue chip pump, no problems...sec is another deal.
>From: J Hirsch
>Date: Mon Jan 30 10:04:06 CST 2006
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>Just changed water pump on my 1963 Pontiac Tempest
>Pump $33
>Four bolts for fan and four bolts for pump
>Total time start to finish....one hour
>That is engineering!
>Jay H
>On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Shayegan, Richard wrote:
>
>> You might want to check with your mechanic what they would charge to do
>> it (i.e. it might be cheaper than you think). From what he told me,
>> it's
>> not hard, but tedious, and involves everything the service manuals say
>> it does. I looked at it, considered what a PITA it would be for me to
>> do
>> it, especially considering it was (and is) winter, and it was just
>> better to let him do it for a few hundred bucks (I don't have my
>> receipts with me but I think it was like $300-400 in labor). You might
>> want to check the fan clutch while you're there and replace that at the
>> same time.
>> Richard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Mike R.
>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:24 AM
>> To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
>> Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>>
>> I was afraid of this. I've heard that the pu mps are expensive and it's
>> a
>> pain to put them in.
>>
>> Found the pump for around $160. Does the Harmonic Balancer really have
>> to come off? :-(
>>
>> Later,
>> Mike R.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>> On Behalf Of dolans1 at verizon.net
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:24 PM
>> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>> Subject: Re: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>>
>> That's how the water pump starts leaking. Leaks then stops, then it
>> starts the grinding noise. The weep hole is a waste of time looking at,
>> due to none will be apparent. Mine stopped for about three months. Then
>> turned into a water fall. Same deal front passenger side drip... time
>> to
>> pull the dist.
>> and harmonic balancer.
>> Not a fun job.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:30:06 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
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Mike,
My mb mechanic told me $250.00 was as cheap as he would go, it's a royal pain in the posterior. While your in there the short hose and the rmostat and gaskets as well. My old gto was easy, this is a nasty job.. good luck.
Mike.
>From: "Mike R."
>Date: Mon Jan 30 11:54:09 CST 2006
>To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
>Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>The fan clutch took me ten minutes to R&R. Sounds like it's a difficult
>thing for the water pump though. If the harmonic balancer has to come off,
>then it sounds like the radiator has to come out too. No fun here.
>
>Later,
>Mike R.
>(702) 494-8056
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>On Behalf Of Shayegan, Richard
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:35 AM
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>
>You might want to check with your mechanic what they would charge to do
>it (i.e. it might be cheaper than you think). From what he told me, it's
>not hard, but tedious, and involves everything the service manuals say
>it does. I looked at it, considered what a PITA it would be for me to do
>it, especially considering it was (and is) winter, and it was just
>better to let him do it for a few hundred bucks (I don't have my
>receipts with me but I think it was like $300-400 in labor). You might
>want to check the fan clutch while you're there and replace that at the
>same time.
>Richard
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:35:06 +0000
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Subject: Re: Fw: [W126 Coupe] OIL VISCOSITY
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:14:27 +0000
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:26:45 -0500
From: Dick Spellman
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engine to Chassis compatibility question
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Will a 500 Euro motor and tranny from a 500SEL fit into the SEC chassis
with oil sump, engine mounts and transmission mount all needing to be
the same configuration??? Or was there a different set-up employed on
the wider, longer SEL chassis than that of the SEC. My SEC is an 83 and
I believe the donor SEL is an 84 or 85.
Any comments will be much appreciated.
Regards,
Dick
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:38:40 -0500
From: "Axel Wulff"
Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'"
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Bellamy,
"A good rule of thumb is a water pump should never cost more than half the
market value of your car. So while a Pontiac water pump may just cost $33.,
it is really touch-and-go if it is worth doing."
Harsh comment, though for the majority of Pontiacs it is probably correct.
Cheers,
Axel
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Mister McGoo
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:14 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
The shop rate for the water pump is around 4 - 4= hours. If there is the
slig htest doubt about the front engine seal, go the extra, remove the
balancer and replace the seal. This is NOT a backyard-on-the-ramps type of
job. For one thing, the water pump bolts are a bitch to get. The water
pump should be about $140. (considerably more at M-B!) Change the
thermostat and housing hose as well as the lower rad hose while you're at
it, even if they look OK. They must come off anyway and they are less than
$20.
A good rule of thumb is a water pump should never cost more than half the
market value of your car. So while a Pontiac water pump may just cost $33.,
it is really touch-and-go if it is worth doing.
-Bellamy
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From: "Mike R."
Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'"
Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:09 -0800
>The fan clutch took me ten minutes to R&R. Sounds like it's a difficult
>thing for the water pump though. If the harmonic balancer has to come off,
>then it sounds like the radiator has to come out too. No fun here.
>
>Later,
>Mike R.
>(702) 494-8056
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>On Behalf Of Shayegan, Richard
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:35 AM
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: RE: Re: [W126 Coupe] Coolant Leak
>
>You might want to check with your mechanic what they would charge to do
>it (i.e. it might be cheaper than you think). From what he told me, it's
>not hard, but tedious, and involves everything the service manuals say
>it does. I looked at it, considered what a PITA it would be for me to do
>it, especially considering it was (and is) winter, and it was just
>better to let hi m do it for a few hundred bucks (I don't have my
>receipts with me but I think it was like $300-400 in labor). You might
>want to check the fan clutch while you're there and replace that at the
>same time.
>Richard
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:46:45 +0000
From: "Sharan Bains"
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
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That Bugatti Veyron was out of this world - as luxurious as a Maybach, and
1000 bhp !! THE mos sens ational car ever !
What I'd like to see Top Gear review is the most charasmatic and fastest MB
in the current production line up....the CLK DTM...what a SENSATIONAL car !
talbir
>From: "Vance Rowley"
>Reply-To: Vance Rowley ,Mercedes Coupes Mailing
>Lists
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists"
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:11:14 -0000
>
>Yes, I guess you could be correct on that one.
>
>Vance.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sharan Bains"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] SL65 AMG in the house!
>
>
> > Doubt the Top Gear team would be interested in an SL65 AMG - they were
>test
> > driving the 1000 bhp Bugatti two weeks ago...nothing really compares !
> >
> >
> > talbir
> >
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:49:20 +0000
From: "Sharan Bains"
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Engine to Chassis compatibility question
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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All the same as far as I know - same mounting points for engine and
transmission.
Just a longer driveshaft on the SEL.
talbir
>From: Dick Spellman
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>To: "mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com"
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Engin e to Chassis compatibility question
>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:26:45 -0500
>
>Will a 500 Euro motor and tranny from a 500SEL fit into the SEC chassis
>with oil sump, engine mounts and transmission mount all needing to be the
>same configuration??? Or was there a different set-up employed on the
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