[W126 Coupe] RE: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 11, Issue 41
Steve Ferngren
sferngren at badgeagency.com
Mon Sep 26 09:53:55 EDT 2005
Does anyone know about the Jet Chip for the W126 560 SEC?
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Today's Topics:
1. Seat switch conversion question (Dick Spellman)
2. RE: Seat switch conversion question (Shayegan, Richard)
3. Re: Seat switch conversion question (Dick Spellman)
4. Benz (not SEC) question (David Fatovic)
5. RE: HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs (Mister McGoo)
6. Re: Benz (not SEC) question (Jonathan Hodgman)
7. Re: Benz (not SEC) question (RICHARD JAFFE)
8. RE: HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs (Tom Oelsner)
9. RE: Brakes (Hovsep Dovlatian)
10. RE: Brakes (Sam Sisic)
11. RE: Seat switch conversion question (Sharan Bains)
12. Re: Seat switch conversion question (Dick Spellman)
13. other forums (Tom Oelsner)
14. RE: other forums (Shayegan, Richard)
15. RE: other forums (Tom Oelsner)
16. Re: other forums (Dick Spellman)
17. Re: other forums (Jonathan Hodgman)
18. RE: other forums (Eddie)
19. RE: RE: Brakes (Eddie)
20. RE: RE: Brakes (Shayegan, Richard)
21. Re: RE: Brakes (Jonathan Hodgman)
22. Re: other forums (Iain Gunn)
23. RE: other forums (Tom Oelsner)
24. Did I get my $'s worth? (Ken Cribbs)
25. Re: Did I get my $'s worth? (airedale at sbcglobal.net)
26. Re: Did I get my $'s worth? (Ken Cribbs)
27. Re: Did I get my $'s worth? (Jonathan Hodgman)
28. Re: Did I get my $'s worth? (airedale at sbcglobal.net)
29. Re: Did I get my $'s worth? (Ken Cribbs)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:52:59 -0400
From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
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I have an 83 SEC with the passenger door seat control needing replacement.
In 83 there was no seat memory button and the wiring harness was soldered
directly to the switch.
I have a 90 300SE parts car now with both memory seat switches working.
Does anyone know if the memory switch is interchangeable with the non-memory
switch and if so anything special about wiring or fit I need to look at?
Many thanks,
Dick Spellman
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:03:04 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
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If my experience with an 85 380SE is relevant, 84 was a split year,
where even post 84 models without memory won't fit on pre 84 models
without memory. I suppose you could take it apart and figure out the
soldering, but it's definitely not plug and play.
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Dick Spellman
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To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
I have an 83 SEC with the passenger door seat control needing
replacement. In 83 there was no seat memory button and the wiring
harness was soldered directly to the switch.
I have a 90 300SE parts car now with both memory seat switches working.
Does anyone know if the memory switch is interchangeable with the
non-memory switch and if so anything special about wiring or fit I need
to look at?
Many thanks,
Dick Spellman
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:20 -0400
From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
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Hi Richard:
I realize it will not be plug 'n play, question is, can it be made to work
in which case I'll do both sides of the SEC with the updated memory switch.
Maybe I should rephrase my original question to where would I locate the
wiring harness (loom) color codes and functions for both model years to see
if I can make an in-line solder connection to the old harness and preserve
the plug-in harness on the memory seat switches.
Regards,
Dick
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Benz (not SEC) question
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What is the general opinion of the 1992 400SE? Worth
it? Too many pitfalls? What are the known issues?
Thanks,
David
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:47:11 +0000
From: "Mister McGoo" <eelploot at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Tom;
Sorry, I didn't state that well. The .032 is recommended. Some people
believe that a wider gap will help delay fouling out if oil consumption is a
problem. I'd suggest .035 if you want to try it, but not .045 because I
think you'll just be taking them all out again right away. That's all.
Have you checked your compression? Do you figure your problem is rings or
valves (valves or stem seals)? Or has it happened just once and could be
the three (?) plugs themselves?
Depending on how much you drive, and how quickly the plugs foul, you might
consider just having extra plugs and switch them out when performace
declines. You CAN clean and gap the ones you take out and hold them as
spares again if you don't have access to new ones. But generally spark
plugs are pretty cheap and the cost of always having a spare complete set is
nothing compared to the trouble of changing them.
-Bellamy
>From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs
>Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:09:56 -0700
>
>Bellamy
>Why do you suggest .035 instead of .032 because of oil burning?
>Tom
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:00:34 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Benz (not SEC) question
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Nasty bugger...motor is OK, but b/w wiring and other electronic gremlins not
a car I would look to own. The early 140's have a laundry list of known,
expensive issues and if the cars are not maintained to the letter they
tumble down hill quickly. Never mind that your engine room harnesses Will go
bad, as will your evaporator at some point....:-/
If you can find a prestine, 1 owner LOW mileage example w/ solid service
records it may be worth while if the price is right. Otherwise I would stay
away.
Jonathan
--
Need Parts? I won't sell anything I wouldn't install on my own car.
Live in Atlanta? I can service your car as if it were my own.
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1991 560SEC 110K Full Euro ECE,
1991 560 SEC 127K White on gray 226Hp/271ft/lbs:)
1988 300 TE 160K Burgundy on Palomino WunderWagon
1986 560 SL 140K White on Burgandy
1880 280 SE Euro 150K
1996 S600 Euro 34K "Scharnhorst"
1987 560 SEL 162K Midnight Blue on Gray RIP:(
1992 E300D 140K Champagne on Parchment tex (Sold)
1990 560 SEC 154K Anthracite on Gray (Sold)
1980 280 SE US 185K (Sold)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:06:38 -0400
From: "RICHARD JAFFE" <RSJAFFE at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Benz (not SEC) question
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W140 A/C problems - very expensive to fix. Apparently many of the components
difficult to access behind firewall and dash. I've seen some of these
vehicles with the interiors almost totally gutted for a/c repair.
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:30 PM
To: MBCOUPES
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Benz (not SEC) question
What is the general opinion of the 1992 400SE? Worth
it? Too many pitfalls? What are the known issues?
Thanks,
David
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:27:47 -0700
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs
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Bellamy,
I have been told that it is valve seals. However, I don't think the
mechanic checked compression. The plugs that are the most fouled are the
front 3 plugs on the right (passenger) side. Sometimes (1 out of 4-5
starts) on startup after the car has been sitting overnight, I get tapping
for a second or two. It does not happen again later in the day.
Tom
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs
Tom;
Sorry, I didn't state that well. The .032 is recommended. Some people
believe that a wider gap will help delay fouling out if oil consumption is a
problem. I'd suggest .035 if you want to try it, but not .045 because I
think you'll just be taking them all out again right away. That's all.
Have you checked your compression? Do you figure your problem is rings or
valves (valves or stem seals)? Or has it happened just once and could be
the three (?) plugs themselves?
Depending on how much you drive, and how quickly the plugs foul, you might
consider just having extra plugs and switch them out when performace
declines. You CAN clean and gap the ones you take out and hold them as
spares again if you don't have access to new ones. But generally spark
plugs are pretty cheap and the cost of always having a spare complete set is
nothing compared to the trouble of changing them.
-Bellamy
>From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] HELP! resistor vs. non resistor plugs
>Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:09:56 -0700
>
>Bellamy
>Why do you suggest .035 instead of .032 because of oil burning?
>Tom
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hovsep Dovlatian <hovsepdov at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Dont forget the private Jet. Every island needs one or
two.
--- Eddie <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com> wrote:
> That's odd, I thought you were looking to upgrade
> your 500 without spending
> a "nice wad of cash".
>
> Although it's great to see another young guy
> interested in this car (and in
> my area nonetheless) I'd recommend you get the money
> together and your car
> and license back before reaching for the stars.
>
> You do realize, the CL 65 engine wouldn't just swap
> in...you'd either have
> to build your own fuel, ignition, and timing
> computer to run it, or you'd
> have to swap in EVERY part of the driveline from the
> fans to the rear axles
> so the sensors will be synced properly.
> Furthermore, I doubt the w126
> chassis could handle the added weight AND the 1000
> or so NM of torque.
>
> It might be easier AND cheaper to buy the CL65, and
> then make a composite
> mold of the SEC body and put it on top.
>
> Personally, I'm waiting for Mercedes to make a
> custom SEC for me in carbon
> fibre using the SLR components, to go with the SLR I
> hope I can afford some
> day. (well, I could get a couple if I mortgaged the
> house...that wouldn't
> work too well though...)
>
> Might as well start shopping for that island I want
> to buy someday...
>
> Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
> On Behalf Of Hovsep Dovlatian
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:54 AM
> To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
>
> Thats my plan.
>
> --- Eddie <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah....i see. If you find one, get the engine too!
>
> > Also the mufflers and
> > the wheels.
> >
> > Eddie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> > [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
> > On Behalf Of Hovsep Dovlatian
> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:11 PM
> > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
> >
> > Im Lookin in junk yards across the US for a
> crashed
> > CL
> > 65 hoping to salvage the whole braking system.
> >
> > --- Eddie <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wait a minute, how are you going to get CL65
> > brakes?
> > > I'd like some!
> > >
> > > Eddie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> > > [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Hovsep Dovlatian
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:46 PM
> > > To: MBCOUPES at mbcoupes.com
> > > Subject: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
> > >
> > > Has Anyone ever upgraded the brakes on their
> SEC.
> > I
> > > was thinking of adapting the brakes on the CL65
> to
> > > fit
> > > my SEC.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:39:21 -0500
From: "Sam Sisic" <ssisic at Antunovich.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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That is correct...
I'm working with Daryl on a 14" brake system, drilled and slotted with
Wilwood 4 piston calipers. As these fit nicely in an 18" wheel, they
will upgrade the braking about 40% by the sheer rotor size increase
alone... Not to mention, they should look great through an open BBS RA
type wheel.
Once I have them on the SEC, I will share my opinions along with photos
if someone will help me post them on a site.
Sam
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:29:04 -0700
From: "Daryl Armstrong" <daryl at precisionbrakescompany.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hi,
Sam is in the process of upgrading his brakes, maybe he has some input.
Daryl.
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
> Has Anyone ever upgraded the brakes on their SEC. I
> was thinking of adapting the brakes on the CL65 to fit
> my SEC.
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:13:29 +0000
From: "Sharan Bains" <sharanbains at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hi Dick,
The wiring loom consists of a few extra wires which link the extra buttons
on the seat control switch to some extra relays on the seat base frame power
board. I have also noticed that the non-memory looms running to headrest and
backrest motors have 2 pins whereas the memory motor connections have 4
pins. So there is some extra fuctionality at the motors as well.
Note also that the memory function is also linked to the electric steering
column.
Ideally remove the seats, seat control switches and steering column from the
300SE. And the wiring looms for the seats - they are a pain to remove
through the door entry points but other than that dead easy. They run upto
the fusebox and plug into points a and b.
Then remove the seats from your SEC and simply transfer the base frames from
your 300SE seats to your SEC seats and transfer the backrestmotor set-ups
into your SEC backframe....all you need to do is remove the backrest leather
cover on both seats and change the internal motors and looms.
You'll need to remove the SEC seat switch looms and run in the SE seat looms
of course and change the seat control switches.
Finally the steering column - it is a DIRECT fitment into your early SEC,
with only one modification required. The metal firewall that the column
bolts upto just beneath the dash has an extra side curving that just needs
to be grinded away. The column then bolts upto directly. Simple job - remove
the 6mm allen key at the steering box, 3 10mm bolts at the centre of the
column and 2 13mm bolts just under the instrument cluster.
Sounds like a lot of work, but it's easily feasible in one weekend. You'll
then have memory seats, memory and electric steering column. The combination
indicator and cruise switch also needs to be changed over as the electric
steering column switch has a longer loom.
Basically a change of looms, motors and switches, but very valuable
upgrades...and all in a weekends work.
talbir
>From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:52:59 -0400
>
>I have an 83 SEC with the passenger door seat control needing replacement.
>In 83 there was no seat memory button and the wiring harness was soldered
>directly to the switch.
>
>I have a 90 300SE parts car now with both memory seat switches working.
>Does anyone know if the memory switch is interchangeable with the
>non-memory switch and if so anything special about wiring or fit I need to
>look at?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Dick Spellman
>The MB Coupes Website!
>W126 SEC Mailing List
>Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:59:57 -0400
From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Seat switch conversion question
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hello Talbir:
That is a major bit of work. I think I will shoot for mapping the existing
wires to the updated switch or, just sell off the memory switches and buy
the original 83 passenger switch.
Thank you for the fine write-up. Should I become that ambitious once again
on the SEC, I'll put it on the list.
By the way, the 18 inch Lorrinser RSK 2's with 10 inch wide tires in the
rear fit very nicely now that the fenders are rolled and the differential
and sub-frame bushings renewed. No rubs, when the car squats in the rear.
Your earlier offset and tire dimensions were very helpful.
Many thanks,
Dick Spellman
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:47:03 -0700
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out there
that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and I could
particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series (specifically the
190E 2.6). Thanks
Tom Oelsner
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:50:09 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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The forums that can be found on www.mbca.org
Richard
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Oelsner
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:47 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out
there that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and
I could particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series
(specifically the 190E 2.6). Thanks Tom Oelsner
The MB Coupes Website!
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:00:27 -0700
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Thanks Richard.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Shayegan, Richard
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:50 PM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] other forums
The forums that can be found on www.mbca.org
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Oelsner
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:47 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out
there that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and
I could particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series
(specifically the 190E 2.6). Thanks Tom Oelsner
The MB Coupes Website!
W126 SEC Mailing List
Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
The MB Coupes Website!
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:17:04 -0400
From: "Dick Spellman" <spell.yy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Hi Tom:
There are several expert Mercedes mechanics and there is Stu Ritter the
Mercedes USA Technical Advisor on
http://www.mercedeslist.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes .
The service content quality is very good. I've been on this list primarily
for the M103, 126 chassis, 300SE's.
Hope this helps.
\Dick
By the way, I converted my 4th MB (an 86 300SE Euro) to R-134 after
repairing a Nippo compressor leak. Did the receiver dryer, vac'd it down
overnight, held 31 after the repair and then charged using my gauges. Once
again really good 'cool' results.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:15:53 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <1d2f901705092316154e8637dc at mail.gmail.com>
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You might check out mbnz as well.. Mercedes Shop is another I frequent.
Jonathan
On 9/23/05, Dick Spellman <spell.yy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom:
>
> There are several expert Mercedes mechanics and there is Stu Ritter the
> Mercedes USA Technical Advisor on
> http://www.mercedeslist.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes .
>
> The service content quality is very good. I've been on this list primarily
> for the M103, 126 chassis, 300SE's.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> \Dick
>
> By the way, I converted my 4th MB (an 86 300SE Euro) to R-134 after
> repairing a Nippo compressor leak. Did the receiver dryer, vac'd it down
> overnight, held 31 after the repair and then charged using my gauges. Once
> again really good 'cool' results.
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:39:06 -0700
From: "Eddie" <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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190revolution.net is great for fun info on the 190E. Benzworld.org is
pretty active as well.
All in all, mbcoupes is the best for w126 though. The other forums are
usually filled with crap like "how do I put 23" rims" or "what kind of wax
do you use". Also, lot's of FS items, but at ridiculous prices. Also
constant whining about gas prices.
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Oelsner
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:47 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out there
that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and I could
particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series (specifically the
190E 2.6). Thanks
Tom Oelsner
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:40:12 -0700
From: "Eddie" <cyberdrakon at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV150FE99F02BC80BE4509FCBD960 at phx.gbl>
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I can host your pictures. Are you willing to share the info for making the
brackets?
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Sam Sisic
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:39 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
That is correct...
I'm working with Daryl on a 14" brake system, drilled and slotted with
Wilwood 4 piston calipers. As these fit nicely in an 18" wheel, they
will upgrade the braking about 40% by the sheer rotor size increase
alone... Not to mention, they should look great through an open BBS RA
type wheel.
Once I have them on the SEC, I will share my opinions along with photos
if someone will help me post them on a site.
Sam
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:29:04 -0700
From: "Daryl Armstrong" <daryl at precisionbrakescompany.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <020501c5bfc5$0b011510$7401a8c0 at daryl>
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Hi,
Sam is in the process of upgrading his brakes, maybe he has some input.
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hovsep Dovlatian" <hovsepdov at yahoo.com>
To: <MBCOUPES at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
> Has Anyone ever upgraded the brakes on their SEC. I
> was thinking of adapting the brakes on the CL65 to fit
> my SEC.
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:57:08 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I could also host your pictures on a wicked cool site like
http://www.davidson.smugmug.com. Not that I'm plugging that site for any
particular reason or anything like that (actually, come to think of it
I'm not, the photos that anybody has any likelihood of buying, I am
contractually obligated not to show you).
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Eddie
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:40 PM
To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
I can host your pictures. Are you willing to share the info for making
the
brackets?
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Sam Sisic
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:39 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
That is correct...
I'm working with Daryl on a 14" brake system, drilled and slotted with
Wilwood 4 piston calipers. As these fit nicely in an 18" wheel, they
will upgrade the braking about 40% by the sheer rotor size increase
alone... Not to mention, they should look great through an open BBS RA
type wheel.
Once I have them on the SEC, I will share my opinions along with photos
if someone will help me post them on a site.
Sam
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:29:04 -0700
From: "Daryl Armstrong" <daryl at precisionbrakescompany.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <020501c5bfc5$0b011510$7401a8c0 at daryl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
Sam is in the process of upgrading his brakes, maybe he has some input.
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hovsep Dovlatian" <hovsepdov at yahoo.com>
To: <MBCOUPES at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Brakes
> Has Anyone ever upgraded the brakes on their SEC. I
> was thinking of adapting the brakes on the CL65 to fit
> my SEC.
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:26:09 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] RE: Brakes
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <1d2f90170509231826c39795b at mail.gmail.com>
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I'd be Happy to host them on my site as well... :)
Jonathan
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:51:15 -0400
From: "Iain Gunn" <igunn at bmts.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Tom, I just bought a 1990 190E 2.6 and have found
http://190revolution.net/forum/index.php to be helpful
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
>I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out there
> that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and I could
> particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series (specifically
> the
> 190E 2.6). Thanks
> Tom Oelsner
>
>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> W126 SEC Mailing List
> Postings remain property of MB Coupes, L.L.C.
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:54:13 -0700
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] other forums
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Message-ID: <BIEMJBJNCKNMAAJPLHDPAENGCBAA.toelsner at mindspring.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks. I just joined and posted...hoping they can address my problem.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of Iain Gunn
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] other forums
Tom, I just bought a 1990 190E 2.6 and have found
http://190revolution.net/forum/index.php to be helpful
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Oelsner" <toelsner at mindspring.com>
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] other forums
>I don't want to seem sacrilegious, but are there any other forums out there
> that are worth joining? mbworld.org has gone really downhill and I could
> particularly use a group that knows about the W201 series (specifically
> the
> 190E 2.6). Thanks
> Tom Oelsner
>
>
> The MB Coupes Website!
> W126 SEC Mailing List
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>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:19:33 -1000
From: Ken Cribbs <kcribbs at hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:31:03 -0500
From: <airedale at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Are you happy? Do you have the peace of mind knowing nothing else needs to
be done? Those go a long way, you can always find someone to do it cheaper.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Cribbs
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:19 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
I just had the following work done on my 1988 560 SEC, at 54,400 miles:
a.. remove/replace coolant expansion tank, replace coolant level sensor
b.. remove/replace leaking power steering low pressure hoses, power
steering filter and container cover gasket
c.. change air and fuel filters, replace fuel accumulator and fuel pump
check valves
d.. remove/replace front and rear drive shaft flex coupling
e.. change brake fluid, blow out drain hoses
f.. lube door seals, lube linkages
The itemized parts were:
a.. coolant expansion tank $61.25
b.. coolant level sensor 38.75
c.. 1 gallon coolant 10.00
d.. power steering low pressure hose 25.00
e.. power steering filter 11.00
f.. 1 cover gasket 4.95
g.. 5 hose clamps @ $1.95 9.75
h.. air filter 38.00
i.. smog ___ filter 12.20
j.. fuel filter kit 39.00
k.. 44K injection filter cleaner 19.50
l.. fuel accumulator 197.00
m.. 2 fuel pump check valves @ $22.50 45.00
n.. 2 drive shaft flex couplings @ $112.00 224.00
o.. brake fluid 10.50
p.. [illegible] 4.15
q.. radiator cap 7.95
r.. shop supply charge 25.00
s.. TOTAL PARTS/SUPPLIES: $758.00
The total labor charge was $595.00, for a grand total of $1,378.00.
Is this MB-only shop charging fairly for the parts and services provided?
--Ken
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:53:17 -1000
From: Ken Cribbs <kcribbs at hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:57:06 -0400
From: Jonathan Hodgman <jhodgman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Well, his first two prices are a bit out of line, but his coolant price is
Great if he's using Genuine coolant!
As for the remaining items, he is charging straight list price..no real
suprises.
A lot of Indy's now state they don't save you on parts but on labour.or vice
versa.....
I would be curious to hear how much his hourly rate is...see what kind of
time this fellow is talking about...book or actual etc..
IMHO it could be worse, it also could be better...but if this fellow really
takes his time, loves what he does etc then you have done well.
Jonathan
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:44:39 -0500
From: <airedale at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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The rate to have my Isuzu Axiom worked on today at the dealership was $89.00
per hour. Most people know when they are being screwed and most people ask
for an estimate before they have work done. It is easy enough to check the
price of parts on line. I would guess from the variety of service you had
done there was some significant troubleshooting & inspection time involved.
I will not apologize for being "existential" with my answer but you know you
are going to find someone who will tell you they know someone who would have
done it for less.
John ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Cribbs
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
Ah, c'mon, John, it wasn't an existential question, but a practical one.
;-)
sure, I'd be "happy" with the peace of mind regardless of price, but that
doesn't mean I want to get suckered. And I don't know enough about MB
repairs to be able to judge whether the charges I paid are reasonable and
customary, or inflated -- so I'm asking the illustrious experts on this list
for their input.
(FWIW, my question arises because a friend who also owns an
older-but-cherry Benz tells me that the shop I use charges significantly
more than the shop he uses. I don't have any basis for comparison, as we
haven't had the same repairs performed. Both shops claim to be charging
"standard" rates at $85/hr).
Anyone?
At 06:31 PM 9/23/2005, you wrote:
Are you happy? Do you have the peace of mind knowing nothing else needs
to be done? Those go a long way, you can always find someone to do it
cheaper.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Cribbs
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:19 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
I just had the following work done on my 1988 560 SEC, at 54,400
miles:
remove/replace coolant expansion tank, replace coolant level sensor
remove/replace leaking power steering low pressure hoses, power
steering filter and container cover gasket
change air and fuel filters, replace fuel accumulator and fuel pump
check valves
remove/replace front and rear drive shaft flex coupling
change brake fluid, blow out drain hoses
lube door seals, lube linkages
The itemized parts were:
coolant expansion tank $61.25
coolant level sensor 38.75
1 gallon coolant 10.00
power steering low pressure hose 25.00
power steering filter 11.00
1 cover gasket 4.95
5 hose clamps @ $1.95 9.75
air filter 38.00
smog ___ filter 12.20
fuel filter kit 39.00
44K injection filter cleaner 19.50
fuel accumulator 197.00
2 fuel pump check valves @ $22.50 45.00
2 drive shaft flex couplings @ $112.00 224.00
brake fluid 10.50
[illegible] 4.15
radiator cap 7.95
shop supply charge 25.00
TOTAL PARTS/SUPPLIES: $758.00
The total labor charge was $595.00, for a grand total of $1,378.00.
Is this MB-only shop charging fairly for the parts and services
provided?
--Ken
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:41:42 -1000
From: Ken Cribbs <kcribbs at hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Did I get my $'s worth?
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