[W126 Coupe] Re: Oppps!
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Thu Oct 6 09:39:04 EDT 2005
I through together my signature and screwed it up....it should have been 190D not S
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Meet (Mike R.)
2. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Mike R.)
3. Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs..... (bruce tranter)
4. Re: She's Got Legs..... (David Fatovic)
5. Re: Burning smell and rough idling (David Fatovic)
6. RE: electrical expertise needed (Axel Wulff)
7. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Dan Landiss)
8. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Hein)
9. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Henry Viveiros)
10. RE: electrical expertise needed (Markus Meyer)
11. RE: Burning smell and rough idling (Mister McGoo)
12. smoke on start up? (Shayegan, Richard)
13. RE: smoke on start up? (Mister McGoo)
14. Clock (Gregory Mailloux)
15. Can't see my messages, can you ? (John Piekarczyk Jr)
16. Re: smoke on start up? (gary peck)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:44:47 -0700
From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Meet
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Next October.
Las Vegas is hosting the Starfest 06 event, the 50th anniversary of MBCA.
I'm on the planning committees for several of the driving events (e.g.,
track, autocross, drags). I'm trying to convince Legs Ellen to help with the
Concours.
Later,
Mike R.
(702) 494-8056
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Mike
Are we having a meet in October, if so what date.
Alex
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:46:12 -0700
From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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'86 560SEC, not 660SEC, unless Grants Pass knows how to do an engine change.
VERY nice lady there too!!
Later,
Mike R.
(702) 494-8056
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Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Hey Ellen - my wife has a 1986 660 SEC with 125,000 miles (she, too, has
legs) and I have a 1991 560 SEC with 187,000 miles.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:03:09 -0400
From: "bruce tranter" <cousinbruce at hotmail.com>
Subject: Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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You guys have it allllll wrong!
Here is the correct order!
:) Star Cruiser
Than the Legs followed by the run of the mill goods, followed bt beer!
Hey Ellen, did I answer all in the best/correct order?
I hope so
:)
Bruce
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:09:03 -0400
From: Ellen Ruck <eruck at kirkland.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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How about:
1. Cars & car parts (need the sweet ride for the
ladies)
2. A good woman with all the right parts ;)
3. Sports (as long as #2 doesn't interfere with #1 too
much)
4. Good booze. I can't have beer anymore because of
gout, but scotch before dinner, wine with dinner, a
cordial after dinner. Mai Tai in the summer along
with Margaritas and Sangria! Vodka in the winter!
5. Everything else.
David
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> Considering (I believe) I am the only female species
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> own SEC, please rate the following items in order of
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> 1. Beer
> 2. Cars
> 3. Car Parts
> 4. Legs
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> :) Star Cruiser
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Fatovic <coloradocroat at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] Burning smell and rough idling
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depends on the buring smell. Different fluids smell
differently. It could be as simple as a leak of
something i.e. coolant, oil, hydraulic fluid, tranny
fluid, that is getting on something hot. Try cleaning
the engine, engine bay, and undercarriage and see if
it is still there.
David
--- Rattie S <mbcoupe126 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> I posted a message about a month ago about some
> problems that I've been
> having with my car. 2 months ago, I had the ignition
> module and coil changed
> after the car died. It ran just fine for some time
> after that. About a month
> ago, I had two instances on one day when the car
> wouldn't start. It has been
> starting just fine after that. Some of you had
> suggested that it could be a
> problem with a fuel pump soldier point.
>
> Recently, I'm noticing a burning smell when the car
> is running. The idling
> has been a little rough as well. I had stopped to
> pick up some food from a
> steert cart here in New York. I was a little
> suprised when the food vendor
> came out of cart and told me to have my "relays"
> checked out.
>
> Any words of wisdom from the experts?
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Itrat
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:38:45 -0400
From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
To: <mfmeyer at iwon.com>, "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'"
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Markus,
I think organizing a get-together is a great idea.
Speaking of creating more problems than you are solving; here is my sad list
of accomplishments with the instrument cluster:
I first started out with a stock instrument cluster with all parts working
properly, except the clock. As I was going to remove the instrument cluster,
I thought I'd do some "upgrades" while I was at it so I bought White Face
Gauges off of ebay for $25, capacitors at Radio Shack for $2.50, red paint
and black paint (for instrument needles) for $5 at Wal-Mart, Chrome Rings
for the instrument binnacle for $60 and Wood Surround for the dials for $120
from mercedesperformance.co.uk.
Well, the burled walnut wood surround is impossible to install unless you
separate the front glass from the black plastic binnacle and those parts are
very well glued together. I broke the damn $120 part in the process of
trying to insert it through the openings in the back.
Next; fix the clock. Not very successful, as you can tell.
Install white face dials. Broke the fuel gauge needle, put the oil pressure
needle on while the paint was still wet an glued it to the pin it rests on,
put the temp gauge needle on wrong making it show 20 degrees more than it
should (giving me a heart attack as I thought the engine was overheating).
Had to buy a new fuel/oil pressure/economy/water temp gauge off ebay for $20
to replace the one I wrecked.
Chrome rings, a PITA to install as you have to insert them through the
binnacle and then press them in place. There is no going back because the
glue they come delivered with is sticky mess and impossible to remove.
..and my clock still does not work (I'm really getting good at removing and
installing the instrument cluster though.).
Cheers,
Axel
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On Behalf Of Markus Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:43 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Axel,
Check out Chet's writeup. If you need it, let me know, I have the email
saved off. I believe he said the capacitor is the same as in the two
configuration. Funny thing is, it doesn't look like my capacitors were
replaced, or if they did, they found ones looking just like the stock ones.
I bought the ones from Radio Shack, and they were a lot thinner than the
stock ones on my clock, maybe other manufacturers make them looking more
like stock. Anyhow, it is exactly what you state (replacing them and it
still not working) as well as having an issue when I tried fixing one to
begin with and causing more problems that I decided to let someone else do
it. Didn't want to spend the money if $2 worth of parts would have cured it,
but when I caused more grief than fixing I gave up and decided my electrical
skills weren't going to be practiced on the SEC anymore.
BTW, how's your car? We should get together, living so close. Actually, the
Del Valley "group" should speak up and let us know if sometime next month is
good to get together, it's been a while!
Cheers,
Markus
--- On Wed 10/05, Axel Wulff < axelwulff at hotmail.com > wrote:
From: Axel Wulff [mailto: axelwulff at hotmail.com]
To: mfmeyer at iwon.com, mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:05 -0400
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Hi Markus,
I have the same issue with the clock in my 90 SEC. It works intermittently
and has only one capacitor.
I got hold of a write-up on fixing the two-capacitor clock, which needs two
100uF 35V DC (Radio Shack part number 272-1028) capacitors.
When I removed the old capacitor from my clock, I could not find any
identification on the part, nor its technical data, so I tried the 100uF
capacitor which did not solve the problem.
Does anyone know if the capacitor is different in the one-capacitor clock
from the two-capacitor model?
I may have other problems than the capacitor.
P.S. My instrument cluster has an electronic dimmer unit, not the mechanical
one with a coil.
Cheers,
Axel
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On Behalf Of Markus Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:44 AM
To: figstir at yahoo.com
Cc: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
An update on my intermittent working clock issue. I took the clock out and
attached it to a free standing 12 volt battery from my alarm system, as well
as the car battery. Didn't change a thing. Everything else checked out okay,
so I UPSed it off to The Benz Store, and a few days later I got a box back
with a unit that I plugged in, and since Monday night, has been working
non-stop. Not sure what they changed or fixed or updated, but all I know is
I have a non-intermittent working clock again (knock on wood!). Thanks to
Dick for the suggestion on using them. Chet - if you are out there, I still
have a spare I picked up on ebay from an 89, and you are correct, it only
has 1 capacitor as opposed to my 87 with 2. Anyhow, next time we get
together maybe you can show me how to swap the capacitor on that unit to see
if it will also start working regularly again.
Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions.
Markus
--- On Wed 09/14, a figment of the imagination < figstir at yahoo.com > wrote:
From: a figment of the imagination [mailto: figstir at yahoo.com]
To: mfmeyer at iwon.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Hey Markus,
It sounds like a voltage problem right off the bat.
Dick's suggestions can be confirmed by myself, as
well.
I would like to add the following.
1. The terminal off the back of the instrument cluster
behind the tach is attached to a reddish wire which
provides 12-volts. Test this wire to make sure you
are getting the proper voltage; it should be around 12
volts, although the clock should probably be able to
work with as low as 9-volts.
2. If the voltage is low, then you have other obvious
issues, with regards to the battery, alternator, or
other.
3. With the clock and/or instrument cluster off the
car, simply connect 12-volts directly to this same
lead from a separate 12-volt source. Use the negative
terminal as your ground; you should be able to find
the common terminal to the clock easily on the clock
itself or on the back of the instrument cluster. I am
sure that this is what you were thinking and were
asking about.
My only concern here is that you make sure you are
connecting directly to the clock. There are indeed
capacitors, IC chips, transistors, and resistors in
the back of the instrument cluster that could be
damaged, by accident, if the are connected to 12-volts
directly when they were not designed to be. The
terminal mentioned in #1 should be fine but check it
just in case.
4. Your ground on your instrument cluster could be
faulty. While for me the jury is still out, I am
aware of others with SEC's having problems with faulty
grounding on their instrument cluster. I currently
have possibly a faulty ground to my instrument lights,
causing them to fail. My comment about a faulty
ground is that, if this was indeed the problem, then
you should see other problems with other electronics.
5. Based on this logic in #4, which may not be fully
complete, I would suggest that you may not have the
proper voltage being sent to the clock. As stated in
#1, check it. Check the battery level, check the
alternator, check for other problems with other
devices or shorts.
6. In general, a faulty capacitor should have nothing
to do with intermittent operation of your clock. A
capacitor merely stores a set amount of voltage, after
being in properly adjusted with resistors and other
elements. You seem to be describing a run-down type
of phenomenon, kinda like a "subclavian steal" in
medicine or even "sun-downing" in psych, or some
better analogy. [Hence, alternator, battery, etc..
issues]. I highly doubt a faulty capacitor would allow
for intermittent operation, but a faulty and
non-constant voltage supply would.
I'm sure your clock is good! You may need to take
care of a loose connection somewhere. You can check
continuity and resolder broken or faulty leads or
terminals. Make sure you check voltage, as I
mentioned in #1. Another analogy is your analog clock
in your home/work, which slowly runs down or stops
working as the AA battery dies off. If you are
draining the battery as you go throughout the day,
your clock will be affected. If this is indeed the
cause, how this drain is occuring needs to be
investigated.
7. Regarding a good direct grounding point, I
recommend the common ground source behind the
instrument cluster. There are at least 3 big bolts
holding down the terminals of numerous brown leads.
If this is helpful, that's great. If not, keep trying
with these and others' suggestions. I am certain it
is very simple. Please keep me informed.
Cheers!
-fig
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:59:30 -0500
From: Dan Landiss <dan at landiss.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Ellen Ruck wrote:
>
> Guys:
>
> Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with
> her own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to
> you: (listed in alphabetical order)
>
> 1. Beer
> 2. Cars
> 3. Car Parts
> 4. Legs
First, beer has to come out of the list because it is one of the five
basic food groups and thus cannot be replaced:
Hamburger, pizza, beer, ice cream and chocolate.
Next, cars and car parts are the same category, as eventually each car
will either NEED parts or BECOME parts.
Third, those two categories are mutually exclusive because we do not
permit eating in our cars (but do permit drinking while talking about them).
So get in the car, drive out to pick up "legs" of the gender of your
choice, and go out for pizza and beer. Chocolate ice cream is back home
in the freezer!
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:16:21 -0230
From: "Hein" <hein.o at nf.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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When you find the right car parts
You ponder those parts over a beer
With car parts shiny from rebuilt or new
Then to be installed in your beloved car
Making sure the mind not clouded by beer
For car parts mixed with beer calls for sad hearts
Your pride and joy will suffer Oh so deer
However when sober as a drop of dew
The car full of spanking new parts will carry you far
To enjoy the sight of legs without a fear
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From: Ellen Ruck
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her own
SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you: (listed in
alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:54:13 -0700
From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at grantspass.net>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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660 - 560 I just wanted to see if anyone out there was paying attention.
After living in the San Francisco Bay Area for more than 40 years and then
moving outside the town of Grants Pass, OR, (population 26,000) I feel very
far away from things. Nice hearing from you, Mike.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Markus Meyer" <mfmeyer at iwon.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Axel, I bought a whole cluster off ebay and still have it, too bad I didn't
know. If you need anything from it, let me know. I know what you mean about
getting good at removing the ic, me too (although hopefully I will forget now
for a while!). Markus--- On Wed 10/05, Axel Wulff < axelwulff at hotmail.com >
wrote:From: Axel Wulff [mailto: axelwulff at hotmail.com]To: mfmeyer at iwon.com,
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:38:45 -0400Subject: RE: [W126
Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Markus,
I think organizing a get-together is a great idea.
Speaking of creating more problems than you are solving; here is my sad list of
accomplishments with the instrument cluster:
I first started out with a stock instrument cluster with all parts working
properly, except the clock. As I was going to remove the instrument cluster, I
thought I'd do some "upgrades" while I was at it so I bought White Face Gauges
off of ebay for $25, capacitors at Radio Shack for $2.50, red paint and black
paint (for instrument needles) for $5 at Wal-Mart, Chrome Rings for the
instrument binnacle for $60 and Wood Surround for the dials for $120 from
mercedesperformance.co.uk.
Well, the burled walnut wood surround is impossible to install unless you
separate the front glass from the black plastic binnacle and those parts are
very well glued together. I broke the damn $120 part in the process of trying to
insert it through the openings in the back.
Next; fix the clock. Not very successful, as you can tell.
Install white face dials. Broke the fuel gauge needle, put the oil pressure
needle on while the paint was still wet an glued it to the pin it rests on, put
the temp gauge needle on wrong making it show 20 degrees more than it should
(giving me a heart attack as I thought the engine was overheating). Had to buy a
new fuel/oil pressure/economy/water temp gauge off ebay for $20 to replace the
one I wrecked.
Chrome rings, a PITA to install as you have to insert them through the binnacle
and then press them in place. There is no going back because the glue they come
delivered with is sticky mess and impossible to remove.
...and my clock still does not work (I'm really getting good at removing and
installing the instrument cluster though.).
Cheers,
Axel
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Markus MeyerSent: Wednesday,
October 05, 2005 3:43 PMTo: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject: RE: [W126 Coupe]
electrical expertise needed
Axel,Check out Chet's writeup. If you need it, let me know, I have the email
saved off. I believe he said the capacitor is the same as in the two
configuration. Funny thing is, it doesn't look like my capacitors were replaced,
or if they did, they found ones looking just like the stock ones. I bought the
ones from Radio Shack, and they were a lot thinner than the stock ones on my
clock, maybe other manufacturers make them looking more like stock. Anyhow, it
is exactly what you state (replacing them and it still not working) as well as
having an issue when I tried fixing one to begin with and causing more problems
that I decided to let someone else do it. Didn't want to spend the money if $2
worth of parts would have cured it, but when I caused more grief than fixing I
gave up and decided my electrical skills weren't going to be practiced on the
SEC anymore.BTW, how's your car? We should get together, living so close.
Actually, the Del Valley "group" should speak up and let us
know if sometime next month is good to get together, it's been a
while!Cheers,Markus--- On Wed 10/05, Axel Wulff < axelwulff at hotmail.com > wrote:
From: Axel Wulff [mailto: axelwulff at hotmail.com]To: mfmeyer at iwon.com,
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:05 -0400Subject: RE: [W126
Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Hi Markus,
I have the same issue with the clock in my 90 SEC. It works intermittently and
has only one capacitor.
I got hold of a write-up on fixing the two-capacitor clock, which needs two
100uF 35V DC (Radio Shack part number 272-1028) capacitors.
When I removed the old capacitor from my clock, I could not find any
identification on the part, nor its technical data, so I tried the 100uF
capacitor which did not solve the problem.
Does anyone know if the capacitor is different in the one-capacitor clock from
the two-capacitor model?
I may have other problems than the capacitor.
P.S. My instrument cluster has an electronic dimmer unit, not the mechanical one
with a coil.
Cheers,
Axel
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Markus MeyerSent: Wednesday,
October 05, 2005 11:44 AMTo: figstir at yahoo.comCc: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject:
Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
An update on my intermittent working clock issue. I took the clock out and
attached it to a free standing 12 volt battery from my alarm system, as well as
the car battery. Didn't change a thing. Everything else checked out okay, so I
UPSed it off to The Benz Store, and a few days later I got a box back with a
unit that I plugged in, and since Monday night, has been working non-stop. Not
sure what they changed or fixed or updated, but all I know is I have a
non-intermittent working clock again (knock on wood!). Thanks to Dick for the
suggestion on using them. Chet - if you are out there, I still have a spare I
picked up on ebay from an 89, and you are correct, it only has 1 capacitor as
opposed to my 87 with 2. Anyhow, next time we get together maybe you can show me
how to swap the capacitor on that unit to see if it will also start working
regularly again.Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions.Markus--- On Wed
09/14, a figment of the imagination < figstir at yahoo.com
> wrote:
From: a figment of the imagination [mailto: figstir at yahoo.com]To:
mfmeyer at iwon.comDate: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [W126
Coupe] electrical expertise neededHey Markus,It sounds like a voltage problem
right off the bat.Dick's suggestions can be confirmed by myself, aswell.I would
like to add the following.1. The terminal off the back of the instrument
clusterbehind the tach is attached to a reddish wire whichprovides 12-volts.
Test this wire to make sure youare getting the proper voltage; it should be
around 12volts, although the clock should probably be able towork with as low as
9-volts. 2. If the voltage is low, then you have other obviousissues, with
regards to the battery, alternator, orother.3. With the clock and/or instrument
cluster off thecar, simply connect 12-volts directly to this samelead from a
separate 12-volt source. Use the negativeterminal as your ground; you should be
able to findthe common terminal to the clock easily on the
clockitself or on the back of the instrument cluster. I amsure that this is what
you were thinking and wereasking about.My only concern here is that you make
sure you areconnecting directly to the clock. There are indeedcapacitors, IC
chips, transistors, and resistors inthe back of the instrument cluster that
could bedamaged, by accident, if the are connected to 12-voltsdirectly when they
were not designed to be. Theterminal mentioned in #1 should be fine but check
itjust in case.4. Your ground on your instrument cluster could befaulty. While
for me the jury is still out, I amaware of others with SEC's having problems
with faultygrounding on their instrument cluster. I currentlyhave possibly a
faulty ground to my instrument lights,causing them to fail. My comment about a
faultyground is that, if this was indeed the problem, thenyou should see other
problems with other electronics. 5. Based on this logic in #4, which may not be
fullycomplete, I would suggest that you may not
have theproper voltage being sent to the clock. As stated in#1, check it. Check
the battery level, check thealternator, check for other problems with
otherdevices or shorts. 6. In general, a faulty capacitor should have nothingto
do with intermittent operation of your clock. Acapacitor merely stores a set
amount of voltage, afterbeing in properly adjusted with resistors and
otherelements. You seem to be describing a run-down typeof phenomenon, kinda
like a "subclavian steal" inmedicine or even "sun-downing" in psych, or
somebetter analogy. [Hence, alternator, battery, etc..issues]. I highly doubt a
faulty capacitor would allowfor intermittent operation, but a faulty
andnon-constant voltage supply would.I'm sure your clock is good! You may need
to takecare of a loose connection somewhere. You can checkcontinuity and
resolder broken or faulty leads orterminals. Make sure you check voltage, as
Imentioned in #1. Another analogy is your analog clockin your home/work, which
slowly
runs down or stopsworking as the AA battery dies off. If you aredraining the
battery as you go throughout the day,your clock will be affected. If this is
indeed thecause, how this drain is occuring needs to beinvestigated.7. Regarding
a good direct grounding point, Irecommend the common ground source behind
theinstrument cluster. There are at least 3 big boltsholding down the terminals
of numerous brown leads.If this is helpful, that's great. If not, keep
tryingwith these and others' suggestions. I am certain itis very simple. Please
keep me informed.Cheers!-fig__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:07:28 +0000
From: "Mister McGoo" <eelploot at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Burning smell and rough idling
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hi;
You need to be a bit more specific on your "problems".
What year and engine?
Problem 1: When you say it wouldn't start twice in one day, obviously it
DID start. What did you do to get it to start the first and second time?
Anything, or did it suddenly "fix" itself?
Yes it could be a solder connection in the fuel pump relay (not the fuel
pump) The relay could be heating up also, (smell) but not likely for a
month.
I gather that it has never happened again, yet. If it does, you can test to
determine if it is in the fuel system.
Problem 2: It idles a bit rough now? All the time, or just off and on?
Have you changed the ignition wires, distributor cap and rotor in recent
memory? The possible fuel pump relay problem and the rough idle are not
likely connected.
Problem 3: As David says, the burning smell could very well be something
leaking somewhere, like oil on the hot engine block. Are there any visible
oil leaks? Power steering pump? When idling, does the smell seem to be
coming from the front or rear of the engine... one side over the other? Any
drops of oil or antifreeze underneath?
Of course, in New York City, the burning smell is likely from the street
food vendors.
That, or from a taxicab cruising by on the sidewalk at 85 MPH with a
pedestrian or two caught up in the undercarriage.
-Bellamy
>From: "Rattie S" <mbcoupe126 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] Burning smell and rough idling
>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:49:16 +0000
>
>Hello,
>
>I posted a message about a month ago about some problems that I've been
>having with my car. 2 months ago, I had the ignition module and coil
>changed after the car died. It ran just fine for some time after that.
>About a month ago, I had two instances on one day when the car wouldn't
>start. It has been starting just fine after that. Some of you had suggested
>that it could be a problem with a fuel pump soldier point.
>
>Recently, I'm noticing a burning smell when the car is running. The idling
>has been a little rough as well. I had stopped to pick up some food from a
>steert cart here in New York. I was a little suprised when the food vendor
>came out of cart and told me to have my "relays" checked out.
>
>Any words of wisdom from the experts?
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>
>Itrat
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:10 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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For a long time now (5 years or so) I've gotten a puff of black smoke
out of the tailpipe when I cold (or cool) start the car. I basically
ignored because last time I had the car in the shop, I showed the guy
(he was replacing a leaky fuel line while I was on the road, but he was
a good mechanic at a good dealer MB of Alexandria) and he said it's just
age and not to worry about it. Well today when I cold started it I
noticed the smoke looked like it might have been bluish. Cool starts
still only do black smoke, and once started the car is fine (no smoke
even at WOT, I'm getting good times for a 380, and it idles and runs
like glass even with busted motor mounts and my starting problem has
gone away, I guess I was too lean). What does this mean? I mean, clearly
it means some seal is on it's way, but which seal would only burn oil on
cold start (oil level is exactly where it is when I changed the oil 2000
miles ago) and what's the reason behind my puff of black smoke on cool
starts?
Thanks,
Richard
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:21:15 +0000
From: "Mister McGoo" <eelploot at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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An opinion? Don't worry about it. The cold start injector is enrichening
mixture for quick starting likely causing the black puff from a cold engine.
It is designed to only operate when starting the engine from cold. It's
normal.
Plus it sounds like you are getting a tiny bit of oil leak-by on the valve
stem seals. It is likely so minor it is only visible (blue) on start-up.
It is nothing you would do anything about unless it gets really bad, and
then it would likely be valve guide time anyway.
It sounds to me like you are miles and miles away from that. Relax and
enjoy the car...
-Bellamy
>From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:10 -0400
>
>For a long time now (5 years or so) I've gotten a puff of black smoke
>out of the tailpipe when I cold (or cool) start the car. I basically
>ignored because last time I had the car in the shop, I showed the guy
>(he was replacing a leaky fuel line while I was on the road, but he was
>a good mechanic at a good dealer MB of Alexandria) and he said it's just
>age and not to worry about it. Well today when I cold started it I
>noticed the smoke looked like it might have been bluish. Cool starts
>still only do black smoke, and once started the car is fine (no smoke
>even at WOT, I'm getting good times for a 380, and it idles and runs
>like glass even with busted motor mounts and my starting problem has
>gone away, I guess I was too lean). What does this mean? I mean, clearly
>it means some seal is on it's way, but which seal would only burn oil on
>cold start (oil level is exactly where it is when I changed the oil 2000
>miles ago) and what's the reason behind my puff of black smoke on cool
>starts?
>Thanks,
>Richard
>The MB Coupes Website!
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregory Mailloux <blackwtch at yahoo.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Clock
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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I have been rerading the clock issue for some time and
thinking that everyone was well aware of the position
of the clock button. When I first picked my car up I
set the clock because the Battery was swapped for a
new one. clock stopped working. started fiddling with
it and it started working. One of our wonderful time
changes and again clock stopped after changeing the
time. Looked in the owners manual guess what if you
don't pull the button out all of the way it stops.
Just a thought
GregM 380 sec
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:17:40 -0400
From: "John Piekarczyk Jr" <johnpiekarczyk at msn.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Can't see my messages, can you ?
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:28:26 -0400
From: "gary peck" <gary.peck at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Mister McGoo
Where is the cold start injector located on my 560 SEL Euro? I do know where
the cold start valve is located, and/or are they one in the same? I'm
currently having a minor cold start problem. The archives mention that the
cold start injector could be leaking, thus on first startup theres not a
balanced air mixture, the article further mentions that cleaning the
injector might correct this, if not it has to be replaced.
Gary Peck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mister McGoo" <eelploot at hotmail.com>
To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:21 AM
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
> An opinion? Don't worry about it. The cold start injector is enrichening
> mixture for quick starting likely causing the black puff from a cold
engine.
> It is designed to only operate when starting the engine from cold. It's
> normal.
>
> Plus it sounds like you are getting a tiny bit of oil leak-by on the valve
> stem seals. It is likely so minor it is only visible (blue) on start-up.
>
> It is nothing you would do anything about unless it gets really bad, and
> then it would likely be valve guide time anyway.
>
> It sounds to me like you are miles and miles away from that. Relax and
> enjoy the car...
>
> -Bellamy
>
>
> >From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> >Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> >To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> >Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
> >Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:10 -0400
> >
> >For a long time now (5 years or so) I've gotten a puff of black smoke
> >out of the tailpipe when I cold (or cool) start the car. I basically
> >ignored because last time I had the car in the shop, I showed the guy
> >(he was replacing a leaky fuel line while I was on the road, but he was
> >a good mechanic at a good dealer MB of Alexandria) and he said it's just
> >age and not to worry about it. Well today when I cold started it I
> >noticed the smoke looked like it might have been bluish. Cool starts
> >still only do black smoke, and once started the car is fine (no smoke
> >even at WOT, I'm getting good times for a 380, and it idles and runs
> >like glass even with busted motor mounts and my starting problem has
> >gone away, I guess I was too lean). What does this mean? I mean, clearly
> >it means some seal is on it's way, but which seal would only burn oil on
> >cold start (oil level is exactly where it is when I changed the oil 2000
> >miles ago) and what's the reason behind my puff of black smoke on cool
> >starts?
> >Thanks,
> >Richard
> >The MB Coupes Website!
> >W126 SEC Mailing List
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>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:02:25 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] Can't see my messages, can you ?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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I ain't afraid of no ghosts (yes we can see you messages, and I assume
the oooooooo was supposed to be like a ghost sound).
________________________________
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of John Piekarczyk Jr
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:18 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Can't see my messages, can you ?
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:07:11 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Cool. Is the tiny bit of leak-by the reason I get blow-by on my air
filter cover (just a tiny bit, so small I can't even guess how much it
is, basically the amount of liquid that comes out when you spit is
deposited onto my air filter cover over the course of a year).
Glad to know it's no worries since the money I had saved up to put my
plan (euro 500 + supercharger + no cats + no resonators + H&R's and
Bilsteins + 17 inch BBS's + releathered interior + repainted/rechromed
exterior) into action just went into a 15 month CD (Huzzah! Interest
rates are back).
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Mister McGoo
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:21 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
An opinion? Don't worry about it. The cold start injector is
enrichening
mixture for quick starting likely causing the black puff from a cold
engine.
It is designed to only operate when starting the engine from cold.
It's
normal.
Plus it sounds like you are getting a tiny bit of oil leak-by on the
valve
stem seals. It is likely so minor it is only visible (blue) on
start-up.
It is nothing you would do anything about unless it gets really bad, and
then it would likely be valve guide time anyway.
It sounds to me like you are miles and miles away from that. Relax and
enjoy the car...
-Bellamy
>From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: [W126 Coupe] smoke on start up?
>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:10 -0400
>
>For a long time now (5 years or so) I've gotten a puff of black smoke
>out of the tailpipe when I cold (or cool) start the car. I basically
>ignored because last time I had the car in the shop, I showed the guy
>(he was replacing a leaky fuel line while I was on the road, but he was
>a good mechanic at a good dealer MB of Alexandria) and he said it's
just
>age and not to worry about it. Well today when I cold started it I
>noticed the smoke looked like it might have been bluish. Cool starts
>still only do black smoke, and once started the car is fine (no smoke
>even at WOT, I'm getting good times for a 380, and it idles and runs
>like glass even with busted motor mounts and my starting problem has
>gone away, I guess I was too lean). What does this mean? I mean,
clearly
>it means some seal is on it's way, but which seal would only burn oil
on
>cold start (oil level is exactly where it is when I changed the oil
2000
>miles ago) and what's the reason behind my puff of black smoke on cool
>starts?
>Thanks,
>Richard
>The MB Coupes Website!
>W126 SEC Mailing List
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:15:18 -0400
From: brucegorsak at netscape.net
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Re: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 12, Issue 7
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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I believe I have to rate cars 1st, legs 2nd, car parts 3rd and beer on the
bottom of any list, I'm a wine drinker....BUT please consider that Im a
face/breast man! If you add those to the list, then and only then cars would
take a second place
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Sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: MBCOUPES Digest, Vol 12, Issue 7
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1. She's Got Legs..... (Ellen Ruck)
2. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Gary Green)
3. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Daryl Armstrong)
4. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Mike R.)
5. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Gary Green)
6. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Gary Green)
7. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Daryl Armstrong)
8. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Shayegan, Richard)
9. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Elm Zobens)
10. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Markus Meyer)
11. Meet (ALEXAMARTINA at aol.com)
12. Re: She's Got Legs..... (Hovsep Dovlatian)
13. RE: electrical expertise needed (Axel Wulff)
14. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Bill P.)
15. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Axel Wulff)
16. RE: She's Got Legs..... (Henry Viveiros)
17. Burning smell and rough idling (Rattie S)
18. RE: electrical expertise needed (Markus Meyer)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:09:03 -0400
From: Ellen Ruck <eruck at kirkland.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:11:06 -0400
From: "Gary Green" <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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Cars
Leg
Car Parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Ruck
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
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:) Star Cruiser
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:18:11 -0700
From: "Daryl Armstrong" <daryl at precisionbrakescompany.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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Gary,
I noticed your response included only one leg....
Many years ago, in a different life, in a different country, I had a military
buddy by the name of Gary Green who ended up with one leg. That wouldn't be you
would it?
Regards,
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Green
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Cars
Leg
Car Parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Ruck
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you: (listed
in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:25:13 -0700
From: "Mike R." <mramay at att.biz>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Limits, limits, why do there have to be limits!! The correct answer is "D:
All the above"! The sequence of the list (of which this is woefully short)
depends on how "satiated" I am with specific items on the list. Today, until
noon, your list is perfect. That said, whatcha doing this afternoon?? :-)
Later,
Mike R.
(702) 494-8056
You might be a redneck if you've ever placed a personal advertisement for
"Female Companionship wanted for long term relationship, with own bass boat
- send picture of the boat."
_____
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Ellen Ruck
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:09 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:26:45 -0400
From: "Gary Green" <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Nah, not me...
Just chalk it up to a finger check... <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl Armstrong
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Gary,
I noticed your response included only one leg....
Many years ago, in a different life, in a different country, I had a military
buddy by the name of Gary Green who ended up with one leg. That wouldn't be you
would it?
Regards,
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Green
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Cars
Leg
Car Parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Ruck
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you: (listed
in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:28:08 -0400
From: "Gary Green" <Gary at EverGreen-Systems.COM>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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How about E:, most of the above? I hate the taste of Beer, which is why I did
not include it in my list when I responded...
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike R.
To: 'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Limits, limits, why do there have to be limits!! The correct answer is "D: All
the above"! The sequence of the list (of which this is woefully short) depends
on how "satiated" I am with specific items on the list. Today, until noon, your
list is perfect. That said, whatcha doing this afternoon?? J
Later,
Mike R.
(702) 494-8056
You might be a redneck if you've ever placed a personal advertisement for
"Female Companionship wanted for long term relationship, with own bass boat -
send picture of the boat."
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Behalf Of Ellen Ruck
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:09 AM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her own
SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you: (listed in
alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:28:31 -0700
From: "Daryl Armstrong" <daryl at precisionbrakescompany.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Gary,
Thanks.
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Green
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Nah, not me...
Just chalk it up to a finger check... <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl Armstrong
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Gary,
I noticed your response included only one leg....
Many years ago, in a different life, in a different country, I had a
military buddy by the name of Gary Green who ended up with one leg. That
wouldn't be you would it?
Regards,
Daryl.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Green
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Cars
Leg
Car Parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Ruck
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with
her own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:30:23 -0400
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Mike R.
>Later,
>Mike R.
>(702) 494-8056
>You might be a redneck if you've ever placed a personal advertisement
for >"Female Companionship wanted for long term relationship, with own
bass boat >- send picture of the boat."
You might a redneck if the sign in front of your local church reads
"Sept 23-24
Mooresville Dragway
Son and Pop Drag Racing"
This is an actual church sign I saw at a church near my college in
semi-rural (semi because it was recently yuppyized) NC
Oh, and its Car, Legs, Car parts, and beer doesn't matter at all. Cars
before legs because that's really how it is. I MUST find out who this
girl is I see around on a WW2 era BMW motorcycle.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elm Zobens <elm at ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Ellen Ruck <eruck at kirkland.com> wrote:
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her own
SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you: (listed in
alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Markus Meyer" <mfmeyer at iwon.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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LegsCarsBeer (gotta have a car to go get beer!)Car parts--- On Wed 10/05, Ellen
Ruck < eruck at kirkland.com > wrote:From: Ellen Ruck [mailto: eruck at kirkland.com]To:
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:09:03 -0400Subject: [W126 Coupe]
She's Got Legs.....Guys:Considering (I believe) I am the onlyfemale species on
your list with her own SEC, please rate the followingitems in order of
importance to you: (listed in alphabetical order)1. Beer2. Cars3. Car Parts4.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:55:06 EDT
From: ALEXAMARTINA at aol.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Meet
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Mike
Are we having a meet in October, if so what date.
Alex
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hovsep Dovlatian <hovsepdov at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Legs
Cars
Car parts
Beer
--- Ellen Ruck <eruck at kirkland.com> wrote:
> Guys:
>
> Considering (I believe) I am the only female species
> on your list with her
> own SEC, please rate the following items in order of
> importance to you:
> (listed in alphabetical order)
>
> 1. Beer
> 2. Cars
> 3. Car Parts
> 4. Legs
>
> :) Star Cruiser
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:05 -0400
From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
To: <mfmeyer at iwon.com>, "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'"
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Hi Markus,
I have the same issue with the clock in my '90 SEC. It works intermittently
and has only one capacitor.
I got hold of a write-up on fixing the two-capacitor clock, which needs two
100uF 35V DC (Radio Shack part number 272-1028) capacitors.
When I removed the old capacitor from my clock, I could not find any
identification on the part, nor its technical data, so I tried the 100uF
capacitor which did not solve the problem.
Does anyone know if the capacitor is different in the one-capacitor clock
from the two-capacitor model?
I may have other problems than the capacitor.
P.S. My instrument cluster has an electronic dimmer unit, not the mechanical
one with a coil.
Cheers,
Axel
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Markus Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:44 AM
To: figstir at yahoo.com
Cc: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
An update on my intermittent working clock issue. I took the clock out and
attached it to a free standing 12 volt battery from my alarm system, as well
as the car battery. Didn't change a thing. Everything else checked out okay,
so I UPSed it off to The Benz Store, and a few days later I got a box back
with a unit that I plugged in, and since Monday night, has been working
non-stop. Not sure what they changed or fixed or updated, but all I know is
I have a non-intermittent working clock again (knock on wood!). Thanks to
Dick for the suggestion on using them. Chet - if you are out there, I still
have a spare I picked up on ebay from an 89, and you are correct, it only
has 1 capacitor as opposed to my 87 with 2. Anyhow, next time we get
together maybe you can show me how to swap the capacitor on that unit to see
if it will also start working regularly again.
Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions.
Markus
--- On Wed 09/14, a figment of the imagination < figstir at yahoo.com > wrote:
From: a figment of the imagination [mailto: figstir at yahoo.com]
To: mfmeyer at iwon.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Hey Markus,
It sounds like a voltage problem right off the bat.
Dick's suggestions can be confirmed by myself, as
well.
I would like to add the following.
1. The terminal off the back of the instrument cluster
behind the tach is attached to a reddish wire which
provides 12-volts. Test this wire to make sure you
are getting the proper voltage; it should be around 12
volts, although the clock should probably be able to
work with as low as 9-volts.
2. If the voltage is low, then you have other obvious
issues, with regards to the battery, alternator, or
other.
3. With the clock and/or instrument cluster off the
car, simply connect 12-volts directly to this same
lead from a separate 12-volt source. Use the negative
terminal as your ground; you should be able to find
the common terminal to the clock easily on the clock
itself or on the back of the instrument cluster. I am
sure that this is what you were thinking and were
asking about.
My only concern here is that you make sure you are
connecting directly to the clock. There are indeed
capacitors, IC chips, transistors, and resistors in
the back of the instrument cluster that could be
damaged, by accident, if the are connected to 12-volts
directly when they were not designed to be. The
terminal mentioned in #1 should be fine but check it
just in case.
4. Your ground on your instrument cluster could be
faulty. While for me the jury is still out, I am
aware of others with SEC's having problems with faulty
grounding on their instrument cluster. I currently
have possibly a faulty ground to my instrument lights,
causing them to fail. My comment about a faulty
ground is that, if this was indeed the problem, then
you should see other problems with other electronics.
5. Based on this logic in #4, which may not be fully
complete, I would suggest that you may not have the
proper voltage being sent to the clock. As stated in
#1, check it. Check the battery level, check the
alternator, check for other problems with other
devices or shorts.
6. In general, a faulty capacitor should have nothing
to do with intermittent operation of your clock. A
capacitor merely stores a set amount of voltage, after
being in properly adjusted with resistors and other
elements. You seem to be describing a run-down type
of phenomenon, kinda like a "subclavian steal" in
medicine or even "sun-downing" in psych, or some
better analogy. [Hence, alternator, battery, etc..
issues]. I highly doubt a faulty capacitor would allow
for intermittent operation, but a faulty and
non-constant voltage supply would.
I'm sure your clock is good! You may need to take
care of a loose connection somewhere. You can check
continuity and resolder broken or faulty leads or
terminals. Make sure you check voltage, as I
mentioned in #1. Another analogy is your analog clock
in your home/work, which slowly runs down or stops
working as the AA battery dies off. If you are
draining the battery as you go throughout the day,
your clock will be affected. If this is indeed the
cause, how this drain is occuring needs to be
investigated.
7. Regarding a good direct grounding point, I
recommend the common ground source behind the
instrument cluster. There are at least 3 big bolts
holding down the terminals of numerous brown leads.
If this is helpful, that's great. If not, keep trying
with these and others' suggestions. I am certain it
is very simple. Please keep me informed.
Cheers!
-fig
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:02:27 -0400
From: "Bill P." <bl6377 at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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All the above is good! Just in different orders at certain times!
By the way where are the pictures?
-----Original Message-----
From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On
Behalf Of Ellen Ruck
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 13:09
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:02:55 -0400
From: "Axel Wulff" <axelwulff at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
To: "'Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists'" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
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Ellen,
It is a tight race between #2 and #3.
Put a gun to my head and I'll have to go with #2.
In any case, #1, #2 and #3 all beat #4. Much less hassle, much cheaper and
they don't get jealous when you get more of them.
Cheers,
Axel
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From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
On Behalf Of Ellen Ruck
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:09 PM
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Subject: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
Guys:
Considering (I believe) I am the only female species on your list with her
own SEC, please rate the following items in order of importance to you:
(listed in alphabetical order)
1. Beer
2. Cars
3. Car Parts
4. Legs
:) Star Cruiser
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:46:22 -0700
From: "Henry Viveiros" <henryviv at grantspass.net>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] She's Got Legs.....
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Hey Ellen ? my wife has a 1986 660 SEC with 125,000 miles (she, too, has
legs) and I have a 1991 560 SEC with 187,000 miles.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:49:16 +0000
From: "Rattie S" <mbcoupe126 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] Burning smell and rough idling
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
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Hello,
I posted a message about a month ago about some problems that I've been
having with my car. 2 months ago, I had the ignition module and coil changed
after the car died. It ran just fine for some time after that. About a month
ago, I had two instances on one day when the car wouldn't start. It has been
starting just fine after that. Some of you had suggested that it could be a
problem with a fuel pump soldier point.
Recently, I'm noticing a burning smell when the car is running. The idling
has been a little rough as well. I had stopped to pick up some food from a
steert cart here in New York. I was a little suprised when the food vendor
came out of cart and told me to have my "relays" checked out.
Any words of wisdom from the experts?
Thanks and best regards,
Itrat
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Markus Meyer" <mfmeyer at iwon.com>
Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
Message-ID: <20051005194253.7167B3969 at email.iwon.com>
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Axel, Check out Chet's writeup. If you need it, let me know, I have the email
saved off. I believe he said the capacitor is the same as in the two
configuration. Funny thing is, it doesn't look like my capacitors were
replaced, or if they did, they found ones looking just like the stock ones. I
bought the ones from Radio Shack, and they were a lot thinner than the stock
ones on my clock, maybe other manufacturers make them looking more like stock.
Anyhow, it is exactly what you state (replacing them and it still not working)
as well as having an issue when I tried fixing one to begin with and causing
more problems that I decided to let someone else do it. Didn't want to spend
the money if $2 worth of parts would have cured it, but when I caused more grief
than fixing I gave up and decided my electrical skills weren't going to be
practiced on the SEC anymore. BTW, how's your car? We should get together,
living so close. Actually, the Del Valley "group" should speak up
and let us know if sometime next month is good to get together, it's been a
while! Cheers,Markus--- On Wed 10/05, Axel Wulff < axelwulff at hotmail.com >
wrote:From: Axel Wulff [mailto: axelwulff at hotmail.com]To: mfmeyer at iwon.com,
mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comDate: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:05 -0400Subject: RE: [W126
Coupe] electrical expertise needed
Hi Markus,
I have the same issue with the clock in my ?90 SEC. It works intermittently and
has only one capacitor.
I got hold of a write-up on fixing the two-capacitor clock, which needs two
100uF 35V DC (Radio Shack part number 272-1028) capacitors.
When I removed the old capacitor from my clock, I could not find any
identification on the part, nor its technical data, so I tried the 100uF
capacitor which did not solve the problem.
Does anyone know if the capacitor is different in the one-capacitor clock from
the two-capacitor model?
I may have other problems than the capacitor.
P.S. My instrument cluster has an electronic dimmer unit, not the mechanical one
with a coil.
Cheers,
Axel
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[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Markus MeyerSent: Wednesday,
October 05, 2005 11:44 AMTo: figstir at yahoo.comCc: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.comSubject:
Re: [W126 Coupe] electrical expertise needed
An update on my intermittent working clock issue. I took the clock out and
attached it to a free standing 12 volt battery from my alarm system, as well as
the car battery. Didn't change a thing. Everything else checked out okay, so I
UPSed it off to The Benz Store, and a few days later I got a box back with a
unit that I plugged in, and since Monday night, has been working non-stop. Not
sure what they changed or fixed or updated, but all I know is I have a
non-intermittent working clock again (knock on wood!). Thanks to Dick for the
suggestion on using them. Chet - if you are out there, I still have a spare I
picked up on ebay from an 89, and you are correct, it only has 1 capacitor as
opposed to my 87 with 2. Anyhow, next time we get together maybe you can show me
how to swap the capacitor on that unit to see if it will also start working
regularly again.Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions.Markus--- On Wed
09/14, a figment of the imagination < figstir at yahoo.com
> wrote:
From: a figment of the imagination [mailto: figstir at yahoo.com]To:
mfmeyer at iwon.comDate: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [W126
Coupe] electrical expertise neededHey Markus,It sounds like a voltage problem
right off the bat.Dick's suggestions can be confirmed by myself, aswell.I would
like to add the following.1. The terminal off the back of the instrument
clusterbehind the tach is attached to a reddish wire whichprovides 12-volts.
Test this wire to make sure youare getting the proper voltage; it should be
around 12volts, although the clock should probably be able towork with as low as
9-volts. 2. If the voltage is low, then you have other obviousissues, with
regards to the battery, alternator, orother.3. With the clock and/or instrument
cluster off thecar, simply connect 12-volts directly to this samelead from a
separate 12-volt source. Use the negativeterminal as your ground; you should be
able to findthe common terminal to the clock easily on the
clockitself or on the back of the instrument cluster. I amsure that this is what
you were thinking and wereasking about.My only concern here is that you make
sure you areconnecting directly to the clock. There are indeedcapacitors, IC
chips, transistors, and resistors inthe back of the instrument cluster that
could bedamaged, by accident, if the are connected to 12-voltsdirectly when they
were not designed to be. Theterminal mentioned in #1 should be fine but check
itjust in case.4. Your ground on your instrument cluster could befaulty. While
for me the jury is still out, I amaware of others with SEC's having problems
with faultygrounding on their instrument cluster. I currentlyhave possibly a
faulty ground to my instrument lights,causing them to fail. My comment about a
faultyground is that, if this was indeed the problem, thenyou should see other
problems with other electronics. 5. Based on this logic in #4, which may not be
fullycomplete, I would suggest that you may not
have theproper voltage being sent to the clock. As stated in#1, check it. Check
the battery level, check thealternator, check for other problems with
otherdevices or shorts. 6. In general, a faulty capacitor should have nothingto
do with intermittent operation of your clock. Acapacitor merely stores a set
amount of voltage, afterbeing in properly adjusted with resistors and
otherelements. You seem to be describing a run-down typeof phenomenon, kinda
like a "subclavian steal" inmedicine or even "sun-downing" in psych, or
somebetter analogy. [Hence, alternator, battery, etc..issues]. I highly doubt a
faulty capacitor would allowfor intermittent operation, but a faulty
andnon-constant voltage supply would.I'm sure your clock is good! You may need
to takecare of a loose connection somewhere. You can checkcontinuity and
resolder broken or faulty leads orterminals. Make sure you check voltage, as
Imentioned in #1. Another analogy is your analog clockin your home/work, which
slowly
runs down or stopsworking as the AA battery dies off. If you aredraining the
battery as you go throughout the day,your clock will be affected. If this is
indeed thecause, how this drain is occuring needs to beinvestigated.7. Regarding
a good direct grounding point, Irecommend the common ground source behind
theinstrument cluster. There are at least 3 big boltsholding down the terminals
of numerous brown leads.If this is helpful, that's great. If not, keep
tryingwith these and others' suggestions. I am certain itis very simple. Please
keep me informed.Cheers!-fig__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC
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