[W126 Coupe] speakers
Axel Wulff
axelwulff at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 31 09:49:11 EST 2005
....any suggestions as to how I should install my QAD electrostatic speakers
in the back of my SEC.
I'll put a Krell amp in the trunk and feed it power via one of those
wireless power thingy's (don't step into the path of the beam though....),
or maybe a 300 mile power cord extension....
BUT, it will sound great.
Regards,
Axel J. Wulff
>From: "Chiappinelli, Joseph" <joseph.chiappinelli at mirant.com>
>Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
>Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] speakers
>Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:56:09 -0500
>
>While RMS power is a more accurate measure of an amp's capability than the
>usually marketed "peak" power rating as David says, that too can be
>misleading. Perhaps not so much in car audio where such things are less
>important, but in home high end systems, audiophiles will look more at
>other amplifier characteristics. Such things as the "stiffness" of an
>amplifier which is its ability to continue to provide the same level of
>voltage into a load (speaker) as the load varies in impedance is critical.
>To do this, an amp must be very robust in its ability to pump current. Try
>hooking any typical electronics store amp rated at 500 watts to a pair of
>electrostatic speakers (Martin Logan, Quad, etc) which can drop to 1 ohm or
>less under certain musical passages. The speakers will easily "clip" and
>sound wimpy because the amp can't provide the current. Then hook up any
>typical high end amp like a 50 watt Krell or Mark Levison amp. Huge current
>pumps that will meet the current demands made by difficult speakers. A 50
>watt, class A Krell will pump out 50 watts (RMS)into an 8 ohm impedance,
>100 watts into 4 ohms, 200 into 2 ohms and 400 watts into 1 ohm. The same
>500 watt department store amp will probably be unable to provide more than
>75 watts into 2 ohms and would probably trip with a 1 ohm load. Of course,
>a 500 watt Sony costs about $350 while a 50 watt Krell will run over
>$3,000.
>
>J.Chip
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
>[mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com]On Behalf Of David Fatovic
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:57 PM
>To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
>Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] speakers
>
>
>Also when talking to stereo guys also ask what the RMS
>power is. Most people tell you that a speaker or amp
>is 150W but in actually it only has about a third of
>that power.
>
>David
>
>--- Ronny Geenen <ronny.geenen at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Nearly all new car audio/CD receivers have their own
> > fader.
> > An audio installer told me that when you use the MB
> > fader with a new
> > receiver, you will loose at least 50% of the power.
> > That means if you have a system with 4x25 Watt, you
> > get only approx. 12.5
> > watt per channel.
> > Why do not you check out some local installers and
> > start asking questions.
> >
> > Ronny
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Shayegan,
> > Richard<mailto:rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing
> > Lists<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] speakers
> >
> >
> > Speaking of wiring...it's not important yet
> > because the speakers will
> > have to wait a bit since for now all I can lay out
> > for is the head unit
> > (yes yes, I know, bigger sound improvement comes
> > from replacing the
> > speakers, but again, I really just want the
> > in-dash CD, speakers were
> > just something that came to mind), when I do
> > replace the speakers, how
> > do I handle the factory fader? I ordered a
> > crutchfield wiring harness
> > for my head unit for now because I like to avoid
> > modifying the in car
> > wiring, but I'm told that when I replace my
> > speakers the factory fader
> > won't be able to handle it. Do I just unhook the
> > wires at the fader and
> > wire those same wires into the replacement head
> > unit? I know, replace
> > the wiring...that will come later.
> > Richard
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> >
>mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com<mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com>
> > [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Fatovic
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:32 PM
> > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] speakers
> >
> > Another thing to think about. Just FYI. Just as
> > in
> > communications wiring, and components, you sound
> > system will only sound as good as your weakest
> > component. In this case if you replace the head
> > unit
> > and speakers (good call), you still have to
> > contend
> > with the wiring. Quality components will require
> > quality wiring, thicker guage, sometimes wound.
> >
> > Just FYI.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- "Shayegan, Richard"
> >
><rishayegan at davidson.edu<mailto:rishayegan at davidson.edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > What do you all think of the Kenwood KFC-x468C?
> > It
> > > seems to have good specs, you think it sounds
> > > noticeably better than stock? I think I'll just
> > take
> > > the easy way out in the front with Alpine
> > SPS-080A's
> > > using the crutchfield adapter bracket, but since
> > in
> > > the back I'd have to do some modifying anyways I
> > > might as well go for 4x6's, the trick is will it
> > fit
> > > without SERIOUS mods? I guess I'll find out for
> > > myself. As long as I have 1.8 inches of depth (I
> > > don't have the sloped panel of the later model
> > W126,
> > > just a flat panel covered by inch thick
> > insulation,
> > > and the x468's have an overall depth of 1.794
> > inches
> > > ), 4 inches of width, and 6inches of length, I
> > > suppose I could make them fit.
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From:
> >
>mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com<mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com>
> > on behalf of
> > > Shayegan, Richard
> > > Sent: Mon 3/28/2005 2:03 PM
> > > To: RONNY GEENEN; Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> > > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] speakers
> > >
> > >
> > > My SE is an 85 so it should have the same set up
> > as
> > > your SD. I'm intrigued by the fact that
> > everybody
> > > says this car can take 4x6 in the front. I
> > wonder
> > > why Crutchfield doesn't know that? From looking
> > at
> > > the front speakers I know why: while 4x6 would
> > fit
> > > the stock speakers are 3.5. Also, from looking
> > at
> > > the front speakers I can't figure how to get
> > them
> > > out. I see the two screws closest to the body of
> > the
> > > car, and I took those out. Something at the
> > front is
> > > holding it in but I see no screws. Any ideas?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From:
> >
>mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com<mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com>
> > on behalf of
> > > RONNY GEENEN
> > > Sent: Mon 3/28/2005 12:48 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> > > Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] speakers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What year is your SE? I have also a 1984 300 SD.
> > > Both bodies might be
> > > similar. If so, you can replace both the front
> > and
> > > the rear with 4x6
> > > speakers. And I find out to get a better sound I
> > > replace the speakers with
> > > 4x6 plates.
> > >
> > > Ronny Geenen
> > > 1987 560 SEC
> > > Glendora, Ca 91740
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shayegan, Richard"
> >
><rishayegan at davidson.edu<mailto:rishayegan at davidson.edu>>
> > > To:
> >
><mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com<mailto:mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:06 AM
> > > Subject: [W126 Coupe] speakers
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to operate on the assumption that the
> > > SEC's have the same speaker
> > > mounts in the dashboard and rear deck as the
> > SE's
> > > here, which may be wrong
> > > (I'm told by Crutchfield that the fronts are
> > 3.5inch
> > > diameter and the rears
> > > are 4x6's on an SE, but I'm told by someone with
> > an
> > > SE that they are all
> > > 4x6, so if someone can settle this that would be
> > > nice too), but either way,
> > > what are good speakers that fit that can be had
> > for
> > > no more than $100/pair?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Richard
> > >
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